Women generally aren't as visual as men. They don't find the vast majority of men physically attractive. The guys they tend to have the hots for are perfect male specimens like Jason Momoa or Chris Hemsworth.
When choosing a mate, women value men with superficial charm (jocks, PUAs, badboys etc.) or guys with high social status/wealth who can improve her lifestyle. It is only after a woman has aged or has baggage (kids) that she has to lower her standards and choose a more "realistic" partner, though she won't stop desiring the male archetype. Kindness, humor, and shared interests are all well and good but those qualities on their own are not enough to attract a woman.
Sure, sounds right. Also some women actually value personality.
William Ortiz
>Also some women actually value personality. "Personality" just means superficial charm
Alexander Walker
Not sure where you got that definition of personality from, but it's wrong
Dominic Wilson
Women don't care for the deep and meaningful. "Personality" is just another term for a guy with charisma. A man who can keep her engaged because he's a smooth talker or emotionally manipulative.
Andrew Bell
Is this Asian white crossbreed?
Daniel Gonzalez
But you cant generalize half of the human race like that, bro. Some women really do care about personality. And not every man is fake or putting on an act.
Jack Sanchez
No see, you're falling into the trap here. Yeah, plenty of girls will say they love their bfs because "xyz" but it's bullshit. They're not going to admit to the shallow truth, and they probably don't even realize it themselves.
Aiden Hill
Aaaand down the internet man failure rabbit hole you went. Like pottery
Owen Hughes
You got it wrong on all accounts. Women aren't as visual as men. While for men looks often are where it ends and it begins, for women this is less true. Just like men, there are different degrees of physical attractiveness and they each have their own type, even if there are some conventionally attractive traits.
Women enjoy feeling validated, more so than men. They often fall for men who can exploit this "weakness". This works similarly, for example, to how many men fall for openly vulnerable women: men enjoy feeling important for a woman, so women that make them feel like their saviour often do it for them. They value a man who is capable of providing for them for obvious biological reasons.
No quality is enough on his own to attract a partner, unless you're extremely shallow.
Jordan Morris
My mom(I'd say she was an 8/10) married my dad when she was 18. He was her first and only boyfriend. My dad used to be really fat and his family was poor, yet she still wanted to marry him. Now mr. genius, explain this phenomenon to me.
Adrian Williams
For argument's sake that you didn't pull that outta your asshole, you dad might have been a badboy or had game.
David Martin
>superficial charm Is this the new incel buzzword
Nolan Russell
"Incel" is a fucking buzzword, you brainlet.
Evan Thompson
Im serious. You are right, he had game. But do you really think his "game" kept the marriage alive for 26 years?
Jose Walker
I can tell by how mad you got at my post that you could use some superficial charm to help you in your relationships
Jason Clark
You tell me. Not angry. Just fed up of low-effort 'lol incel' shitposts.
Angel Nguyen
women want chad
Jeremiah Richardson
Women place much more emphasis on social standing and connection in their attraction. It isn't that they see men as unattractive physically, it's that their physical perceptions are largely shaped by social ones. For example, have you ever wondered why your female relatives are FAR more likely to call you 'handsome' or something when compared with strangers? It's not just pity--it's because they often actually believe it. They know you as a person, whereas on dating sites they don't--hence why the numbers are so skewed towards "unattractive".
Ethan Carter
Men value physical attractiveness and physical attractiveness on women. Women, on the other hand, they find attractive traits like confidence and social intelligence, 'cause those are direct estimates of your social status and how well could you take care of their offspring.
Zachary Bennett
1. FACE 2. FACE 3. FACE >transaction gap- all attributes below this line are attributes that women with low self worth will occasionally trade unenthusiastic sex for if they can use it to extract material gain from you or social approval from her friends 6000000. muscles 6000002. height 6000003. social status 6000004. wealth 6666666. """"charisma"""
Kayden Green
you will always be off the mark when you generalize. you need to specialize. " hey suzie what do you like in a man? big arms and a good cook. what about you cindy? long curly hair and he has to surf." stop trying to find out what "women" want, start trying to find women you have an interest in and see if they feel the same towards you. it's easier than trying to change who you've been into a magic stereotype.
Isaac Bennett
>lower her standards Not happening OP. I know you guys pray for the day it does but it doesn't because you fail to account for your aging and if you are slovenly and uninteresting now you're nothing but a grumpy, hateful old man later.
Thomas Moore
Hapas.
Isaac Jones
You NPCs will never understand. It really is a shame but just for posterity's sake I'll give you the real answer that nobody wants to accept. The real answer to the mystery of female attraction is that the second you internalize your own limits you've already lost the game. The second you walk up to a woman and have already convinced yourself that she won't like you or that you aren't attractive enough or that she isn't your type or in your league you've already defeated yourself.
I can't tell you the amount of times that I or a friend I know have completely shattered the preconceived notions of what women do and don't want just because we went into the social interaction completely free of limitations and rules - by talking to women we weren't "supposed" to be talking to or making moves that aren't "supposed" to work. Mathematics and computations may lead to success in STEM fields but the area you're delving in is the complete opposite hemisphere of the brain. You're trying to build a metric around something that cannot be quantified. The only chance you have of transcending hierarchies is to not care about them. This shit is genuinely like the matrix - thinking that you can't do it and believing that the rules cannot be broken will always result in failure. Free your fucking mind, kid. Your social scoreboards don't work.
Christian Johnson
What if I'm fat and like to sit on my ass playing Japanese RPGs and eating oreos?
Yeah, stick that bee yourself numbers game shit up your ass.
Leo Howard
I've noticed this too. I've been completely unsuccessful with cold approaches, the only times I have had luck was when the girl got to know me a little, but not to the point of friendship. However, the opportunities for this type of interaction become rarer the older you get, especially once you get out of school.
Ethan Butler
Oh, so "the secret"
John Jenkins
Yeah they themselves say that they don't care about physical matters, like height, dick size, muscles, ass, etc. But I've seen their behaviour, what they talk about amongst themselves. If you are short you are a midget, if you are less endowed you'll get the pinky finger, if you are fat you are a disgusting slob. God forbid saying that they have no ass, tits like a table or any other thing.
Justin Russell
I think he's got a great personality but it doesn't earn him pussy
Jace Hall
Yup, and not just the secret to women. Its the secret to everything. Its not a guarantee of success its just your best shot. Setting limits for yourself will always result in being, well, limited. Self-defeat is a learned habit. Build better habits and you'll succeed more. That's it.
John Davis
I thought this was going to be a shitpost but it's good advice. This adivce to not care about a perceived limitation helped me. Don't deal with absolutes
Justin Ramirez
this person is absolutely correct. Everytime I've attracted women it's because of my surface behaviour. Everytime I've attracted friends (males) it's due to how I am as a person.
James Rogers
What the fuck is superficial charm
Mason Williams
The person you're responding to is just being silly and facetious but I have a different interpretation. Superficial is the wrong word. Its more momentary. The kind of tactics and mannerisms you employ are almost entirely dependent on context and time frame. The kind of tactics you'd use to build a connection with someone you're only going to be interacting with for a few hours are completely different than the ones you would use to pursue a girl that is, say, a mutual acquaintance who you see frequently in your friend groups. Basically, personality is different in a 6 hour time frame than a 24 hours or two week one. "Superficial" charm I would say is more of the "showy" type charm that you would employ at a bar, nightclub or impersonal gathering. It can't really be described as a full picture of someone's personality because seeing someone when they're drinking/partying/socializing in large groups at events isn't really getting a glimpse at their personality - its just seeing their poker face.
Christian Perez
I unironically laughed irl when I read this. Thanks for the laugh user, I needed this after the disaster the last couple of days have been.
Christian Reed
this, this, this. I have absolutely none of those things except a nice babyface, and women go out of their way to give me attention rather than the other way around
Brayden Watson
There's some truth to both of these posts. I'll use a friend of mine as an example of someone who has mastered the ignoring limits method. He's short, fat, maybe a 4/10 in the face department, wears glasses, modest income now and used to be pretty fucking poor. However, he's absolutely uninhibited talking to anyone, male or female, rich or poor, ugly, good looking, it doesn't matter. In the many years I've known him he's always either had a hot girlfriend, or been porking someone half decent fairly regularly. Now I'll use myself as an example of the other situation. I am objectively good looking in the face. Good symmetry, masculine features, green eyes. My body is decent but certainly not underwear model material. I'm not fat, have a decent amount of muscle, maybe a little above average there. I'm just under 6 feet tall. Not poor but sure as hell not wealthy. Also, I'm pretty terrible at random conversation and I'll admit kind of "odd". I'm quiet and hard to read. Despite my autism I've always had women chasing me since about age 17. I've never even really had to try. Lost my virginity to a hot 22 year old that year and it hasn't let up since. Never had a dry spell longer than a couple weeks. Women I work with are overly friendly, often inappropriately. Friends' girlfriends stare, touch my arms, brush against me and get in my space bubble. On my second marriage, and the wife wants sex constantly. If you're gonna be ugly you better be a smooth talker.
Xavier Morris
Compatible Genetics are part of it; people are picky for indiscernible reasons such as smell or looks because it helps them pick the correct mate.
Women also take into account passion or gusto; part of that is ranking on the social and economic hierarchy, and some of that is men who are aggressive make better mates. Now what aggressive means varies from women to women; an lot of women are looking for their fathers in a mate. So when they see the face of [Insert X Movie Star here] they're thinking of their fathers but with that persons face and body.
The more intelligent someone is the more sapiosexual they tend to be.
Alexander Brown
You couldn't be more wrong, faggot Not every female is the same, dude... I just moved in with my boyfriend, he is definitely not perfect, kinda chubby, long hair, but that's what I like. A lot of women have their own tastes. This is why incels exist, because they think that all women want chads lmao
Explain more about the thing that women enjoy feeling validated. Give examples. It looks like a good point.
Jonathan Ramirez
I have no fucking idea, because I don't identify as female.
I guess you're trying to ask those who do.
Let them tell you, then.
Benjamin Morris
Not that poster and not really about relationships but i ABSOLUTELY see this shit with my female managers. They HAVE to be acknowledged as being the boss. They cant fucking stand having someone question them even if theyre in the wrong or their plan sucks. They covet their titles because it makes them feel... validated. They always feel the need to “flex” on the people below them, purely to demonstrate their dominance. The men on the other hand are much more laid back, more open to critisisms. They dont feel the need to make sure everyone knows theyre in charge, they do their job and dont care about fan fare.
This has been the case with *every* job ive worked where women were in management roles. Im not at all saying women are incapable, im just saying they bring all sorts of bullshit fuck-fuck games along with them that makes the whole ordeal annoying as fuck. Im good at tuning it out and recognizing they arent even aware theyre doing it but god damn its refreshing when i only have to deal with men.
Josiah Williams
Not really but it doesn't matter because you'll ignore or argue anything contrary and find confirmation bias in the replies.of other incels because you are already convinced of this and I don't really care to convince you otherwise.
Have fun cels
Josiah Hall
Just to be clear: everyone enjoys feeling validated, I just think that women care about how others see them much more than men.
Some examples: >women tend to care more about their social media presence than men >women tend to not have not PC opinions, they just have socially acceptable opinions >women tend to be more social than men, and it's very important that their friends think positively of their actions (their partner, etc) >women tend to be more conformists when it comes to interests, fashion,etc
My favourite example is that less women than men go to the gym, but almost all gym selfies you see on IG are from girls.
Jaxon Gonzalez
>My favourite example is that less women than men go to the gym, but almost all gym selfies you see on IG are from girls.
Holy shit
Tyler Carter
Yeah, it's not that deep but it's a fairly decent image that most people can relate to.
Chase Nelson
Would you date a hideous hag such as honey boo boo's mom because she was kind? There's your answer. You don't need any advice in your bait thread.
John Jackson
Females don't like bodytypes like Jason Momoa. Gay guys do. I think this says something about you OP.
Easton Garcia
lol then explain why all the thirsty thots and bored housewives flocked to see Aquaman? Go read the comments in any video he's in. It's full of roasties wishing he'd fuck 'em.
Andrew Bell
There are definitely women who like him, but it's not that predominant at least between girls I know.
Bentley Bennett
Yeah I was gonna say, Momoa has too mAny muscles. We like guys like Brad Pitt or the guy who plays Lucifer
Jackson Morales
how do you be straight again also how do you stop wanting to be a girl and instead a man again
Jonathan Long
Sure it's easier if a man supplies the charm but it's shallow and can't be trusted. Shit gets easier if you learn to turn the charm on yourself as a woman
Anthony Barnes
Just take responsibility on yourself faggot.
Kevin Price
I think Rollo Tomassi said that shittest don't stop when you enter marriage.
Carson Cruz
You're advice is invalid because you're speaking from a desired man's point of view. Incels or legit unattractive men never have women chasing them, talking, touching whatsoever.
William Mitchell
How does this explain fat beta-looking guy in his brand new big shiny BMW with a girl way prettier than him?
Benjamin Hernandez
You just moved in with your boyfriend for economic stability. Pretty sure that you'll go out to fuck some big dicked guy shortly afterwards.
Sebastian White
try asking her out
Matthew Jackson
>Women generally aren't as visual as men. I'd say that the reasons women say they were first attracted to me were about 50-50 between physical and personality traits.
>They don't find the vast majority of men physically attractive. The guys they tend to have the hots for are perfect male specimens like Jason Momoa or Chris Hemsworth. I'm handsome but not anywhere near that level and plenty of women have been into me on the basis of appearance.
>When choosing a mate, women value men with superficial charm (jocks, PUAs, badboys etc.) or guys with high social status/wealth who can improve her lifestyle. That's fair, first impressions are huge.
>It is only after a woman has aged or has baggage (kids) that she has to lower her standards and choose a more "realistic" partner, though she won't stop desiring the male archetype. I also know plenty of older women who didn't lower anything. They're alone by the way.
>Kindness, humor, and shared interests are all well and good but those qualities on their own are not enough to attract a woman. Most things are not sufficient on their own. I always found it more convenient to go in with the mentality that I need to be firing on all cylinders to get some action. I'm sure that's not the case and I probably end up being way above and beyond the minimum for most women. (I'm sure each has their own unique set of minimums.) But rather than play the complex game of sorting out what matters, I'd rather play the simple but hard game of "just be fucking amazing."
What that means, in conclusion, is that I actually have no fucking idea how female attraction works. I'm throwing entire pots of spaghetti at the wall just to see what sticks.