Why do men never ask girls out anymore? I've been single for the 5 years now, I just want a bf
Why do men never ask girls out anymore? I've been single for the 5 years now, I just want a bf
Not sure if bait, but there is nothing wrong with you asking a guy out.
Hate to break it to you, but they still do.
I don't know what you are like, but if you haven't been asked out in 5 years, there is a good chance you've got a trait that makes you undesirable, have too high standards, or are not attractive enough(might be looks, hygiene- we are on Jow Forums after all-, or just your "aura")
High risk, zero reward. Why bother putting yourself in danger?
feminism. #metoo
This.
I'm not even that pretty and get asked out.
Is this really an issue? I thought I was the only one who was scared of being called a creep. I figured most other men were chads who weren’t afraid of anything
Metoo
Most guys aren't Chads and even Chads are cooling their heels.
Is that a joke or are you agreeing with me
I agree with the first part, but I thought the entire point of chad was that he didn’t stop and was immune from being a creep
1 in 10 men is probably a chad. Most other man are pussies, like you and me. I'd say about 3-4/10 are beta, 1/10 is omega, and the rest is just your average "meh" guy
why do women NEVER ask men out?
i've been single all my life, i just want a gf
I ask men out.
I specifically go for autistic/shy men absolutely out of my league because it doesn't work often, but when it does I end up with a really cute bf.
You are doing gods work.
No this is just one of the many excuses men make for not wanting to take initiative.
Chad is immune from being a creep, however, he is not immune to gold-diggers and corporate ladder climbers
because women treat men like this and men don't want to step on a potential landmine.
Do you treat cases like these as the norm? Do you walk around afraid that women are randomly going to accuse you of rape? If you really truly think like this then you have no basis to ever complain about negative female attention. Just lock yourself up in the basement and play video games all day while browsing Jow Forums
literally a larping autist and his fantasies.
>Is this really an issue?
well is losing your job,having a criminal record and having your face all over the media an issue for you?
Because it's gross and tacky
>an excuse not to take initiative
i think this phrase is contradictory. if you need an excuse not to do something it’s not an initiative it almost becomes something like an obligation
I dunno i’m just being a pedant
A dumb twitter hashtag isn't the reason someone is afraid to talk to girls. The only people who should be afraid of being "metoo'd" should be celebrities with massive influence and I doubt any of them ever come here.
Can't speak for everybody, but I don't give enough of a shit to work that hard
knowing that these things do happen isn’t the same thing as being a turtle and cutting off the outside world. why do you talk like it’s an absolute binary
>Do you treat cases like these as the norm? Do you walk around afraid that people are randomly going to assault or harass you? If you really truly think like this then you have no basis to ever complain about negative human attention. Just lock yourself up in the basement and play video games all day while browsing Jow Forums
Both
You're the one who treats it like an absolute binary when you post images like that. Imagine if all women refused to date men because 98% of rapes are done by men. In your mind, wouldn't that be valid?
search up "Mike Pence rule". is the norm for most men.
>"please men stop protecting yourselves and lower your guard so I can stab you in back".
What does someone like you have to protect themselves from? Are you a Hollywood guru or something?
Wait, wait
Why should I ask you out? Why should I ask out women generally? How are you going to make it worth my while?
I just don't trust emotional children with a loaded gun that feminist gave them. women can literally destroy your life with no due process.
Sure they can...except you don't have anything to worry about cause you barely interact with the sort of women who would "metoo" you
A better scenario is space nigger.
He was recently cleared of all accusations against him when 4 women metoo accused him. One of them was just him asking a girl out who wasn't into him. This one is far more likely. I work at a university. So girls I would interact with at work would be students. Asking a student out could ruin my career if she say no. This is not some irrational fear, this is the world we live in.
Do not approach women at University with a ten foot pole. They're okay once they finish college but the hysteria about rape in campus and general super feminist atmosphere makes uni pretty unfriendly for men
>you don't have anything to worry about cause you barely interact with the sort of women who would "metoo" you
Yeah insults will really help solve this issue. Why even bother posting if you're just going to act like a bitter loser? It's not much different to the incels posting here.
women are incentivize to accuse you. rape victims get showered with money and benefits. I know a girl that is going to college for free because she was "raped" by a boyfriend. I would worry extremely around women.
Where did I insult you? I simply asked you if you walk around scared that random women will accuse you of rape
>This is not some irrational fear
There's nothing more pathetic in this world than seeing a man playing the victim card when they aren't a victim.
you argue like a prototypical female
>X is a 100% idiot making this claim make him an absolutist
he’s just showing a case that can happen even if it’s not nearly as likely to happen as he may believe its still a precived risk you don’t get rid of those with shaming you do it with evidence
>makes another (near) absolute claim that puts words into my mouth
I never said either of these things were either true or valid
but to answer your gatcha questions in a better way I’d ask
at what point is it appropriate to stop interacting with the opposite sex
Just ask her out dumbass
>a case than can happen
You can get struck by lightning tomorrow that means you shouldn't leave the house.
>Perceived risk
>Shaming
When did men start talking like absolute pansies? Legit can't tell if you're even joking
Seriously, if you think 99% of women are looking for a way to cheat you out of your money with false rape accusations then just stay in your house all day. I can't imagine living life with such paranoia hanging over my head, I would go insane.
>asked
there was no question, just a statement.
>"muh not all women"
the only women are trust are blood related and I will not lower my guard for other women. court fees are expensive and the laws are against men.
>muh not all incels
All incels are violent psychopaths with rape fantasies.
>the only women are trust are blood related
Lol must be a real trip being you
the only women that I know are good and will not try to harm me.
Because we don't want Chad's sloppy seconds. Our hands are tighter than your loose roastbeef snatch and they don't nag us for shit.
>I've been "single" for 5 years now
>I've been fucking attractive guys from bars and off tinder for 5 years
>now I'm ready to settle down and need a provide- I mean 'man' to be strong enough to step up to the plate and take care of me
Because trannies are ugly
Take your incel cuck fantasies to
I don't want to come off as a creep or predator, so I don't even bother.
Even when they glance at me I fail to respond, but that's on me since I'm too chickenshit.
t.guy who didn't get laid in 5 years
I used to ask girls out, but its usually met with some useless BS drama that I cannot be fucked dealing with. Such as ye old 'playing hard to get', or accepting only to be used/or played.
Nearly all of these girls come out of the woodwork at some point or another asking why I didn't 'try' more. Honey, I don't want another full time job, or to baby sit you. I want an actual partner.
Now i'm so put off from the idea of being forced to be the one to take the lead, I can only really be bothered to go out with girls that take the first step. At least then I know they are being serious about it.
And sure, dating has been more scarce now but i've enjoyed spending time with these women, far more than I ever did with those girls.
What's it called when fantasies are reality?
I've asked out at least 3 girls last school year, and I don't get interested in girls very often.
I can understand why some guys don't, though. All 3 of those girls rejected me, and some girls are really quick to attach the "creep" label to you and it's really disenchanting. It's not due to feminism, but rather some girls just have quick defensive mechanisms.
So it's probably you. Are you coming off as unapproachable? Are you with girlfriends 100% of the time?
>Now i'm so put off from the idea of being forced to be the one to take the lead, I can only really be bothered to go out with girls that take the first step. At least then I know they are being serious about it.
holy shit this!
what's with women and their lack of honesty/assertiveness?
Cringe.
None of that was cringe you delusional incel.
It was duper cringe.
Yeah, it's a generalization, but its happening to "general" man and not just some celebrities anymore.
Women, in general, are just not what they used to be. Now they want their own carrier's, money and so on.
I don't have anything against that, but if you're not contributing in a way that is useful for a man and that he can't do on his own (having children/caring for them while they are infants, beeing a loving wive, etc), why should a man choose to stay with you? It's an old attitude towards relationships, but there is a reason it worked for thousands of years.
I have a job on my own, I have money, a place to live and good friends that I can socialize with.
And with all those new trends like #metoo, it's just not worth the hassle anymore.
Dilate.
I don't know, but it has nothing to do with incel fantasies.
Proof?
>if you're not contributing in a way that is useful for a man
Maybe if you stop viewing women as objects of use to you then maybe you won't have to worry about being #MeToo'd.
Fucking gay psyoppers. Stop flooding this board telling guys they should not try to get girls and go gay instead.
Proof of what? Usually when someone makes a claim the onus of proof is on him. Incels make all sorts of retarded and ridiculous claims and never once provide proofs. That's because it's a religion, not science.
I'll give you a short list
>I don't want to be rejected
>I don't think I'm interesting enough to keep the attention of a women
>I wouldn't know what to do on a date if I got one
>I don't want to lose the time I use for hobbies on a girl
>sex is foreign to me
There might be some other things but this will do
Proof that women aren't whores, I guess.
I never said they are objects.
Women are equal contributiors to society. But the way they contribute has drastically changed in the last few years.
If you get into a relationship, don't you expect certain things from your partner?
How could you possibly know that about him? It's starting to come off as he has a point and you don't want to acknowledge it.
Although men have had to deal with false rape allegations for decades in divorce court, now the possibility of being accused has spread to all men, even if you are a basement shut in. Obviously the majority of women are not false accusers, just like the majority of men are not rapists. However, the idea of a sexual predator for a full grown man was only ever other men until recently. It's natural for men to feel apprehension towards a new threat that could be lurking anywhere.
Not an argument
>It's an old attitude towards relationships, but there is a reason it worked for thousands of years.
Except it hasn't? Not every culture in World History is like that, you're just conditioned into believing it was.
Me and my girlfriends do not have this problem. So I’m thinking bait. And you can also ask a guy out.
>She said she did it because he had said something to offend her and she wanted him to go to jail.
People who abuse the justice system should be executed by firing squad
so there are cultures where women couldn't get children and take care for them? I wonder how long they lasted...
I hope this happens to all guys who defend women here. This is similar to the people who support muslim refugees until one of their children gets raped or killed by one, kek.
>if you haven't been asked out in 5 years, there is a good chance you've got a trait that makes you undesirable
You think it would be obvious after the 5 month mark, but this chick needed 5 years lol
Because men will (on an instinctual, uncontrollable level) lost respect for them. Really never be able to respect them; because men want to feel like their woman is a catch. they need to work, if even a little bit, to woo the woman. If they can't fill this emotional hole, they will never be satisfied.
There's also the hunger aspect to it...
>wow if a girl THIS hot just threw herself at me for free, I wonder how well I could do if I actually tried!
Again, it's below the conscious mind, we can't control it, and women know this. If we could control it, we would already be doing it and you'd see a lot of women asking men out all over the place.
Remember, humans have been around a long time. Civilization about 8000 years. This isn't, at all, a new idea. There's a reason it is never done.
Women started asking me out or making aggressive moves on me when they found out I had a gf. Stopped having a gf and women stopped making moves on me.
Same thing as women being afraid of meeting their killer when going on dates or speed walking home when they see me walking the same main street at night. Murders and rapes by random strangers are super uncommon.
straight facts
this too
In reality, women don’t want to do the work of asking out men and make this bullshit excuse. I don’t blame you though, why would women take the risk when they don’t need to
>High risk
Wut
>zero reward
Wut
Your post makes no sense at all.
Risk and reward. The risks associated with approaching women have increased and the value of the average woman is diminished. Simple as.
Last time I asked for a girl's number because she was flirting with me, I flat out asked her if she was really hot for me and then got it.
She went around at work saying she only gave me it because she felt bad for me, like I was just so over the fucking moon for her.
There's no good women.
What risks are you talking about? And how has the value of the average woman diminished?
prove it
Cringe.
>5 years
>complains
If that bothers you, you have no issues. i promise you that you are fine.
Are you blind?
only time i asked a girl out she got offended and asked my age implying I was too immature for her
it was cold as fuck, never again
I dont like this whole "dating/asking out" thing, it feels like me jumping through burning loops just to get pity from girls.
Are you serious? Are you 12? Have you been outside in the last decade?
>What risks?
A woman can ruin a man's life at any moment she wants to regardless of what he has done. I don't have all the news articles on this computer but plenty of examples like a teenage girl accusing a guy of rape, the guy is fired from his job, kicked out of school, loses scholarships, spends time in prison, huge legal and school fines, and it turns out that the girl never even MET the guy. She saw his name in a newspaper and wanted to make her boyfriend jealous.
There was a case where some rich guy was kidnapped in some sand shithole like saudi arabia and they let him skype chat with his wife to arrange a large ransom payment. He was held captive and tortured for over a year, and his wife claimed that he was physically and sexually abusing her while he was STILL IMPRISONED halfway across the world over international waters. The judge accepted her side completely and he lost custody in the divorce because of his 'abuse'.
Not every woman is 100% guaranteed to destroy your life and career and take everything you have ever saved up but they CAN IF THEY WANT TO at any moment. That is a lot of risk. Maybe you find a really good girl who only has a 15% chance of finding herself unhaaaaapy and chosing to blow up her marriage - that 15% chance of your life being ruined is completely in the hands of someone with the mentality of an emotional teenager for the rest of your life. It is not irrational to consider the risks of a relationship, they just have to be weighed against the rewards to see if they are worth it.
Let me translate your post for you
>if you love her you should ignore what a shitty person she is, stop judging her
Of course when it comes to "love" and "shitty person" one doesn't follow the other.
Potential risks:
>Loss of job
Don’t think that this simply refers to being fired. Having made a woman “feel uncomfortable” can negatively impact your career in many other ways. From being passed over for promotions to being transferred to a different unit or location to “not being a good fit for our company culture” to not getting a good reference, hurting a woman’s fragile feelings is a dangerous thing.
>Loss of academic opportunities
I work in academia, so this is kind of tied up with the last one, but it’s an environment where social connections are extremely important and references are everything. If a girl says that you made her feel uncomfortable, you might lose out on TA opportunities, the chance to work with certain professors, or just find yourself out in the cold.
>Loss of social circle
Most guys don’t fear rejection. They fear the social consequences of rejection. The fact that you can’t show interest in another girl for several months without looking desperate. The fact that if relations between you and a member of your social circle become awkward, some people will likely choose her over you. The fact that being rejected lowers your value and makes others see you as pathetic, and that’s merely if she chooses not to drag your name through the mud.
Basically most of the women I know are overweight, can’t cook, can’t even keep their rooms clean, are on medications for anxiety/depression or should be, and don’t want kids. And those are the ones I call friends. Not worth it.
>How has the value of the average woman diminished?
I could fill tomes and encyclopedias with in-depth examples and explanations of this so I will try my best to summarize it in a post with character limits.
Their value has diminished in all ways that men care about. Virginity is a huge deal to men and girls are losing theirs earlier and earlier, making it nearly impossible to secure one for marriage. For every sex partner a woman has before her husband the likelihood of divorce increases, going from 0 to 1 is the most significant increase, though it does seem to taper off at around 30+.
Women are also delaying marriage and children into later and later in life. Often waiting until 35+ when they have a career and have become completely set in their habits and personality and have lost most ability to compromise with another person. Do you think men want a bossy career woman who wears pantsuits and whose body is ruined by stress, age, wrinkles, and lack of time to work out, or a youthful, fertile 18-year-old in the prime of her physical beauty who can bare children with the highest chance of being healthy and not having congenital disorders.
The average woman of today compared to earlier decades has little to no domestic skills. Many instagram posts boast about how they are unable to cook and chose to get takeout food instead. Forget being able to sew, knit, or mend clothing for the family. What value are most women really bringing to a relationship? Existing to be worshiped is not a value. In terms of mothering, do you really see patience, gentleness, gratefulness, and nurturing in most women these days?
In the West, most women carry a non-negligible amount of debt (student loan, credit card, car payment, etc.) that becomes your responsibility and your burden when you marry. Look at the incentives for MEN and see that they are simply not there.
If only you had posted a single link to those claims of yours. You are literally parroting incel mantras. You obviously have not been outside in years and get all your news of the outside world filtered from your incel sites.
>Loss of job
>Loss of academic opportunities
>Loss of social circle
For asking a girl out? Are you out of your fucking mind?
>what is #metoo