What the fuck happened here?

Guyana was less a colony and more an overgrown plantation, and that's very much how it was regarded by Britain.

yep, dutch used indonesians like british used pajeets

Hey, this isn't the tranny thread

Its the same as the caribbean. Also on a hunch I would say that a lot of indians were imported in the 1800s after india was colonized and slavery was banned, unlike the rest of the caribbean which was settled earlier.
why sage?

Indians were imported in the 1830s when the British abolished slavery. They still needed people to work the cane plantations so they imported coolies as cheap labour. Why they didn't just start paying the negroes, I don't know, but the decision to import labour still causes problems today.

Lots of West Indians, which from my experience are the most intelligent of all the Island niggers, I knew a West Indie fella from Trinidad and he could talk like a normal person when he wasn't speaking that island nigger ebonics with his homies.

but why did they settle the guyanas after the caribbean?
they could just pay the blacks they had already imported to work, or, you know, work themselves

Indio = Native American ....

>Checks Costa Rica

Caucastizo gang, rise up!!!

They settled Guyana because of sugar. Cane sugar is still one of the staples of the Guyanese economy.

There weren't enough whites to work the plantations by themselves. Working a plantation requires an enormous amount of human labour, and plenters, typically being gentry or well-to-do, don't perform hard labour. They tried importing indentured servants, usually Irish or Portuguese from Madeira, but ultimately just settled on bringing in coolies. Most of them were Indians but there were a few Chinese as well.

But, yes, it was incredibly short-sighted. The resentment among the black population still exists today and it was the chief factor in the white flight that took place from the beginning to the middle of the 20th century.

why is costa rica so white btw?

We might be part of central america, but long time ago we where part of greater Colombia, (Panama didn't exist) so we basically have the genetic makeup of south americans, and for some reason we had a lot of european migration from WWI and WWII.

CR is the most retarded country in the region, even worse than Honduras in terms of people who live there. They are white, but with nigger mentality to the max. Pura vida en sus cojones

Well so was Panama, and they're still mestizo.
Must be the migration then. Did they have it?
Worse than Mexicans?

I thought panamonos were black
mexicans arent bad, definitely not worse than hondurans or salvadorians.

>British and French colonies vs Spanish colonies
this is basically it.
the spanish empire was not so fond of using african slaves like the others did (for better or worse this is because the spanish were catholics and much more humanistic than the others, the indians were treated much, much better than in the US)...

but basically the only reason we have blacks in america is because of the anglo and the french.

oh and FUCK HAITI! and fuck the french and anglos for bringing all these niggers to america

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>Listed as happiest country in the world
>Best education system
>Highest GDP around
>Rampant migration to leech our free healthcare syste,
>We have an astronaut designing the plasma engine to travel to Mars

Seethe some more, memeflaggot.

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They used a lot of slaves in the Caribbean tho

Panama was practically put in there by Uncle Sam, filled with zambos and mestizos to do hard work for their masters, all for the sake of the canal.

If you think Mexicans are bad, you've never been to Central America. CR, Panama, Honduras and El Salvador, Guatemala are a lot worse, but CR leads is nigger mentality. Mexico and Mexicans are heaven compared to them.

I really liked Nicaragua though. Friendly people, many downshifters from Spain live there, different mentality compared to other CA niggers

The only thing more humiliating than being a slave is being a slave owner. Funny how American niggers are descended from both.

>CR sucks guys
>Nicaragua is based though

Gee...I wonder who is behind this post. Day of the Rottweiller soon!

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Nicaragua is the poorest country besides haiti and the only socialist one, also one of the most heavily mestizo countries. how is it like there?

btw don't listen to this memeflag clown. Not that I care about them, but Guatemala and Panama are descent places. Panama is actually doing pretty well.

Thank you for your opinion, now you can go back to scamming more US tourists and saying "pura vida" instead of "I'm a lazy nigger". I spent 6 months in your shithole and the most reasonable ppl I met there were Jamaicans... Even they are less niggers than you

Indians and Indonesians were imported to British/Dutch Guyana to provide for cheap labor being the native population was actually quite sparse and the jungles were remote.

Fuck off moop. You will never be european

We already know you are one of those nicas who hates us but cannot seem to stop coming here, broder. And BTW it's not my fault you hanged out with the urban rats of the capital, or a bunch of swamp niggers in the Caribbean side. That proves you were a pleb who didn't had connections in nice places.

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Caribbean natives were much easily decimated from disease than mainland natives. Thus the need for imported labor.

I was there in 2015, so before the civil war. Yeah, they are poor, but proud. They live in their country, they know they have problems, like serious problems, but most of them do not want to run away and invade USA. It is a shithole, however, back then they had decent supermarkets with quality European products, unlike CR. They actually have cities, unlike CR.

Would I move and live there? No. But I did enjoy my 6 months there, unlike fucking CR and Panama niggerholes.

comparatively very sparingly, forgot to mention that the portuguese aldo were the ones that introduced blacks into brazil. the rest of hispanoamerica historically has very little black population, in my 35 years of life I think that I have never seen a real life nigger only in the last 6 years bacause of the massive haitian "trading"

We just kind of forget they even exist

In this context, it means Indian as in "person with ancestors from India", friend.

My Dad's family is from Guyana. As I understand it, there was a lot of mutual mistrust between whites and blacks as a result of slavery (and a few abortive slave uprisings). Blacks were proud and mistrustful when they gains freedom, and rightfully so, but the result was that they would only work for a white boss on their schedule, and their terms, and not very hard. Not exactly traits you want in "the help". Whites thus imported people who owed them or the Crown money to do the dirty-work in exchange for citizenship points.

So you can tell I'm an unbiased person that cares about spreading the truth and not being a butt-hurt nigger, I can admit Nicaragua is not that bad, they just need to stop having lefty dictators for once.
>CR doesn't have big urban development
Gee...I wonder why we are so successful? maybe being too much of a worldly urbanite turns you into a liberal globalist faggot. We like our big towns with based ghetto suburbs and comfy contact with our eco system.

The British wouldn't have used native labourers anyways because they were regarded as unruly and impetuous. Coolies were brought in as a direct result of abolition in the British Empire.

My father is also from Guyana. The issue with the negro population is that they were resentful after abolition. Not so much for having been slaves but because the British then imported coolies and refused to hire the blacks they just freed. I'm not sure what the logic was. It could have been as simple as planters not trusting blacks or it could have been what you said.

The other problem that developed later on (late 19th century onwards) was supposedly that landlords refused to accept black tenants. So there was a whole host of resentments that began building immediately after abolition and then started to spill over in the 1890s into full-blown race riots (my family's shop, Bookers, in Georgetown was looted, vandalised, and members of my family were assaulted in 1898, for instance).

This resentment never went away. First the blacks went after the English ruling class and then, when they had all but left the country, they started going after the Portuguese middle class. Now there's a huge feud between blacks and coolies which usually expresses itself politically; blacks don't vote for coolie politicians and coolies don't vote for blacks.

Just when i thought this country was irrelevant, OP comes and saves my day. Thank you OP.

So I will classify countries based on my experience. I lived in all of the below for at least 4 months. Now, by western standards they are all shitholes, but that is not the point.

2 criteria:
People quality
Anything interesting to see/do

Now I only refer to people who LIVE there, I don't care how they behave when they move to USA or other western countries

Peru:
Ok people
Yes, 100%

Bolivia
Amazing people
Yes, 100%

Colombia
Amazing people
Yes, 100%

Panama
Shitty assholes (aka niggers)
Nothing, skip

CR
Shitty assholes, arrogant
Yes if you lived all your life in NYC, but if you've seen the world, then no.

Nicaragua
Amazing people
Yes!

My unbiased opinion, so fuck off all CR and Panama niggers

Sorry, I didn't elaborate as much as a probably ought to have on the "mutual" part of the mutual mistrust. As you say: blacks were (allegedly) unwilling to be fully-committed workers, and whites were unwilling to rely on them too heavily (remembering the uprisings, and noticing the way the blacks were behaving guardedly around them). All these things played into the widening gulf and growing animosity between the two peoples, which the Indo-Guyanese then inherited the white part of as a result of the phenomena you described.

That's how it was described to me, anyway. Can't have helped that Indo-Guyanese definitely evince a bit of a superiority complex over having never been proper slaves or having lost their heritage.

>so before the civil war.
but there isnt a civil war there yet lol.
based, costa rica seems very comfy. Like chile, safe and developed, yet not gay and urban.

>Literally no one: asking for this post
>Costa Ricans are arrogant assholes

You are goddamned right, pleb.

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Trinidad and Tobago
>has oil and asphalt
>somehow accidentally became Natsoc
>invested oil money in education
>50% afros instead of 100% like small islands
>country is run by Syrians, whites and rich Indians
>basically South Africa+Switzerland

Guyana
>has gold, sugar
>50/50 split Afros and Pajeets
>Hate each other the most

Suriname and Fr. Guyana I don't know much about other than the languages they speak.

Basically, we are successful because our populations are not fully afro like the small islands. We have enough productive members to keep the place running and pay for gibs.

The Spaniards worked all the natives to death. The Indians were brought in under the English.

The negroes didn't want to work for the wages offered. So they imported people who would (some were kidnapped). Ever since then they have regarded Indians as being scabs and they have had animosity ever since.

Our patois is for speaking with each other so you people can't understand us. We all learn standard english in school.

>The resentment among the black population still exists today and it was the chief factor in the white flight that took place from the beginning to the middle of the 20th century.
...Guyana has white people still? Who knew.

did a lot of guyanese whites immigrate to canada?
>You are goddamned right, pleb.
are you guys as bad as argentinians though?

Supposed to be OP instead of fuck

where are you from
Ive seen a few trinidadians and arubans, idk if they are the same guy. also a belizean. all were mutts lmao.

What's with leafs being secretly Guyanese?

They are worse than Args. Ask CR niggers how they got their "independence"

>Can't have helped that Indo-Guyanese definitely evince a bit of a superiority complex over having never been proper slaves or having lost their heritage
That's common to all indians from the Caribbean.

CR is pretty globalist tho. You follow whatever the fuck the UN tells you to do

Canada was the primary destination of most of the white flighters since they were British citizens. A second wave of non-white Guyanese started coming here from the 70s onwards.

funny fact is, central americans call us the centram argies. And all argies I have met tell me how they can kinda relate to us. But no, no one is as arrogantly based as argies. Rural Costa Ricans are extremely humble and kind people, patrimony of mankind I swear.

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>Guyana has white people still? Who knew.
Nope. I mean, there may be a few left but pretty much everyone was out of the country by 1960.

I think the issue with black and coolies goes a little deeper then that. I mean, why did the blacks go after the Portuguese? The Portuguese weren't coolies, they weren't planters, they never did anything to the negroes but the negroes regarded them as obstacles to their own success. I think that's part of the mentality of blacks in Guyana generally, and I think they view the coolies as obstacles as well.

The 70s was when the black power movement was going on, sending many whites fleeing to Canada, the US and back to the UK. Then Trinidad had that attempted coup in the 90s which once again sent white people packing.

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After the rebellion of 1857, there were too many Indian officers, soldiers, rebels who had chimped out and killed several EIC soldiers and done many crimes. As punishment these people came under the system of indentured labour. The punishment was obviously, one of the many great Hindu sins, the sin of leaving Hindustan. They were put on boats and sent to the Caribbean and worked as labourers there under a contract of 7 years. However, when the contract expired they became free, but were unable to go back due to the lack of ships taking them back to India and also they’d lived there for 7 years and had a family so they decided to simply settle there.

Can't argue with that, we are practically a Democrat playground country. Hell, our economy depends 100% on US policies, we are almost a non-asociated state of the union. That aside, one could say we are ideologically forced to be "proggresive", while our people is mainly country folk with old school conservative catholic values, and it's a damn shame we are losing that...

>Nope. I mean, there may be a few left but pretty much everyone was out of the country by 1960.
That's what I thought. Didn't they have riots too at that time? I vaguely remember something about conflicts between both racial groups.

> I mean, why did the blacks go after the Portuguese?
>I think they view the coolies as obstacles as well.
Just like they think white people are responsible for their problems and keep them from success. Negroes are the same no matter where they live user. They don't understand that they are responsible for their own problems. Of course, there's also the factor that racial groups work together and tend to be nepotistic so there is in fact competition between groups.

LMAO ! Fuckin hell...

Whites had already essentially left between 1900 and 1960. The people who came to Canada in the 70s were coolies and blacks, not whites.

Race relations in Guyana had already severely deteriorated by the time of the race riots at the end of the 20th century. That led to the first wave of white flight, which was mostly the British upper class. There was a second wave between 1950-1960 with the remaining Brits and most of the Portuguese having left, and this was specifically because of Jagan who was regarded as a Marxist by whites (whether accurate or not). The election of a Marxist coolie as Chief Minister was simply too much for most whites to bear and they - rightly, as we later found out - saw this as as the beginning of the end of British Guiana. My family left in 1951 and my grandfather explained to me that everyone was concerned about Jagan and nobody was surprised when independence was declared in '66.

>UR GAY

Yeah, there were a series of riots in the early 60s, the fruits of which were independence and Burnham's election.

I tend to think you're right about blacks. They more or less got what they wanted: independence, whites leaving, and what happened then? They started bailing on Guyana for places like the US and Canada where they continue to complain about their treatment. They are a chronically unhappy and resentful people.

>the more you know
Most decided to stay because they were paid in land. In addition to what you mentioned, many indentured labourers left India due to being lower caste and wishing for a better life. Some were kidnapped, mostly because there weren't enough women. Some just needed to run away from their problems.

You're right, but both groups were coming at that time. Your government was handing out residency cards to uni students and giving amnesty to those who overstayed visas.

Thanks user, that was very informative. We didn't learn too much about the 20th century because we were too busy being taught "slavery bad".

They're talking about French Guyana, which is a French dependency.

They're referring to the Guyanas generally because that's how Latin Americans perceive Suriname, Guyana and French Guiana. The British, French and Dutch did not have identical colonial policies nor are the demographics of these three countries identical. I only mention Guyana specifically because that's what I know.

>Yeah, there were a series of riots in the early 60s, the fruits of which were independence and Burnham's election.
Ahh ok. Thanks user.

>They are a chronically unhappy and resentful people.
Yes. Yes they are. In Trinidad and Tobago blacks (and all citizens really) get
>free school up to bachelors at university
>free technical education where they help you make up failed subjects from secondary so you can get qualified
>government hiring programs with jobs from landscaper to on the job training in am office, available even in the private sector
>food stamps
>subsidised apartments
>subsidised housing ownership scheme
>cheap public transport
>entrepreneurship support in the form of helping structure the business and loans
>the government hands out agricultural land to farmers to the point where you can just start growing food somewhere and they will give you the papers to keep doing it
>if you squat on land for 20 years it now belongs to you
>literally all the tools to succeed

Yet the majority do nothing with all these opportunities. It's not like they aren't capable, there are many outliers, but the majority is completely useless, content to be criminals and other assorted low lifes.

Wrong they are legal subdivision for assessments. Notice how they are split into the most influential law groups of Europe: English law, French law and Dutch law. Where native Americans try to practice German law. The law of return. Under German law if you are born to German parents you are German by identity thus law. Basically the Persians helped out in some point in history. Contesting themselves under Hindu groupings. However due to their influence as a land migrant group through Africa there are a lot of Africans there. At some point some helped out others are just thieves claiming to be from there piggybacking on others of the African diaspora. Latinos were too busy praising their sacred homes that others wanted a bordering sacred home too.

This was the reply for this here I really ought to go to sleep but I'm enjoying learning about Guyana.

May I ask what your background is? I'm guessing you're West Indian.

Also why the fuck are the guyanas such Marxist shitholes? In Guyana you have Indian communists vs black "democratic socialists"

Diversity is our strength goy. Go make beautiful mix babies.

The entire idea about Marxism and Leninism is what to do with a diaspora or mobilised group. Marxism is a there and back. Leninism is what’s read. Trotsky is how you go on about those two. Maoism is all about the hair. The easiest way to go on about those three will always be the hair. If they think, they are self conscious about their hair.

BTW is Venezuela right to claim half of Guyana is theirs?

That's what happens when people are dirt poor and have no real options for social mobility. There was always an allure to Marxism for the poor in the old days because it: (1) Excused their situation as the fault of a rapacious bourgeoisie; (2) Gave them an option for social mobility through revolution and, effectively, theft; and (3) Provided a sense of political community and solidarity that capitalism simply lacked.

As to Jagan, I think the fact that his wife was a Jew and that he lived for some time in the United States may have had something to do with it.

I grew up in Trinidad and Tobago but I was moved to a white county once I finished secondary school.

What if we just fucking invade them.
With democracy of course, my Chilean pinochetista democracy

LOL

well doesnt even look like they have many people to steal from anymore

Venezuela has no real legitimate claim as far as I can tell. Guyana was never part of Venezuela and Esequiba was part of New Granada in name only, as mentioned previously. Venezuela wants the territory, from what I can tell, because of potential oil in Esequiba and Guyana's maritime regions.

That makes sense. I quite like Trinis.

They have been saying it's theirs since before the oil was found tho. must be the typical spic move of trying to steal Anglo land

Venezuela should fuck off seeing as how they can't even manage what they have.

>As to Jagan, I think the fact that his wife was a Jew and that he lived for some time in the United States may have had something to do with it.
>Jews and US interference yet again

Thanks. :3 We are a xenophobic group though. Funny enough, if you fuck something up people will ask if you're Guyanese as a joke. The Guyanese I meet are all Indians but I usually like them though.