Old = good

Old = good
New = bad

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This is literally what all right wing philosophy boils down to

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Ok so Jews control stuff? Jews are really smart and good at business. It’s not exactly a big conspiracy.

>Jews are really smart and good at business
Jews would need to have an IQ in the 2000's to make up for the statistical over-representation of them in our country's high positions

Sorry kike, your days are limited. This information is becoming more and more spread, anti-kike sentiment is growing and the likes of you can't hold back the floodwaters that are rising.

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if new means collectivization

then no

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I think you're doing your Stats wrong.
All they would need to have is one deviation above the Average, and they would automatically be over represented.

>Jews would need to have an IQ in the 2000's
You don't even begin to understand how IQ works.

jews have a really high iq compared to all races

Read the post kikes

Not high enough to make up for the over representation, Ishmael

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>where “new” is feminism, globalism, and the total annihilation of the west

Enjoy the brave new world my friend.

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ur arguing without a point
i'm arguing to change minds
that makes u bad and me good.

how old r u?
i've oldfag 2003 tier
ive seen enough trolls
ur advocating troll mentality.

faggot

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they are not capable to troll anyone here
may be except for newfags

black = bad
white = good

First off: if we were "kikes", and your theories were correct, we'd already know all this. Why would we bother reading?

Secondly: Jews (especially Ashkenazi Jews) are at least a standard deviation ahead on average. Aside from that, they have a long history in the financial sector, partly because it was one of the only ways to reliably get ahead in Medieval European nations where they couldn't own land and Christians couldn't charge interest on loans. It makes sense they'd have a lot of presence in and around (keep in mind, the stats also include Jewish SPOUSES, which only implies Jewish people are attracted to high-earners) high finance.

Third of all: nepotism. It makes perfect sense that, if several highly-placed Jewish people were in finance for meritocratic or historical reasons, they would tend to hire and promote people like them. It's a sad (to the truly meritocratic, at least) fact of most fields: people tend to recruit and promote from within their social circle and from among those who most remind them of themselves.

Fourth, the understanding of IQ here is is still hilariously poor. They wouldn't need to have twenty times the IQ to have 20 times the power in a sector, even before adjusting for the factors above. They'd need to be a few extra standards of deviation out, be it in IQ or the "MADD SKILLZ". A higher-than-average IQ amonbg their ethnic group, coupled with a cultural and historical proficiency with this specific industry and a high demographic concentration in a city closely TIED to that industry? That should probably be sufficient to explain a high degree of overrepresentation, which nepotism then reinforces.

>But what about the otehr fields where they're overrepresented?!

First: provide hard numbers on those fields, too. Then: consider whether higher average IQ, and having access to high-ranking financiers because of all of the above context, might make it easier to buy your way into owning a company in another industry, or into having a prominent role in politics.

>TL;DR

Jews are over-represented among "the Elites" for reasons that are pretty obvious without needing to evoke a sinister Jewish hivemind or a conscious efforts to keep non-Jews down.

all you western communists think collectivization is all fun and games till they come to collect your smartphones and dildos

>DUUUUHHHHH DUHOIY UGHHHH NG NNNNNG NF DAHOOOOOEY DOH DUM DUM
That’s what you sound like. You know what, I really need to sincerely thank you. Seriously, I cannot tell you how glad I am to see this thread. It’s the last shitty thread I will ever read in this godforsaken website.
Until I read this post, I had some faint sliver of hope that the average iq of anons on this website was above room temperature - at least in celsius. But, while my optics nerves were being assaulted by the flaming parrot caca you call an opinion, it dawned on me that I am browsing a website full of immature, childish, gay children and I have no more desire to waste my time like this.
I have MCATs to study for. I could call up my old fraternity buddies, they’ve been hounding me to chill with them, or see how my family’s doing. I’m wasting time right now that I could be spending working on my idea for an isometric 6 player board game with deckbuilding mechanics and dragons and also its set in the old west. Instead, I’m playing chief tard-wrangler to a bunch of gay tard children. Fuck it. I’m out. Peace.

the problem with leaf posts is that your country is the cheapest and easiest of usable proxies. posts with a leaf can never be trusted.

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Says the leftist that got recently banned in /leftypol/ because their mods are a bunch of retards.

Nice copypasta.

You can just manually override your flag with the geographic location dropdown menu below the fucking textbox. Why would I proxy?

Also: what are you implying? That I'm a secret Jew? I wouldn't have to fucking proxy to be a secret Jew in Canada. I could just be a Canadian Jew.

What is even your point? I am baffled.

>people tend to recruit and promote from within their social circle and from among those who most remind them of themselves.
And yet when white people do it, Kikes need to go on the offensive

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I wasn't making any comment on your text merely pointing out the problem with your flag. You mention meme flags but meme flags are the only other flags worse than using a leaf so you are kinda stuck in a shitbox if you truly want to be honest and earnest.

Weird how ya go DA JOO on me dough.

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youre so cool dude, you even have the memeflag

>Weird how ya go DA JOO on me dough.

I naively assumed your response had literally anything to do with the posts and conversation you were replying to. My bad.

I agree that many people, including many Jews, white people, and "people of colour", are hypocrites.

>I agree that many people, including many Jews, white people, and "people of colour", are hypocrites.
And when someone says something like "jews control the media" or "jews control hollywood", what does that mean to you?

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To me, it means "many of the people who control the media/Hollywood are Jewish", but the phrasing usually implies "and I am ignoring all the non-Jewish people who also help run these apparati, and all the Jewish people just trapped as cogs in the machine alongside me, because it is easier for me to conceptualize class struggle in purely ethnic/tribal terms".

old cave is best cave
new cave is full of long nose tribe

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>many of the people who control the media/Hollywood are Jewish
Correct, most of the top positions in these companies are run by jews, and the point of is to show that, based on being 2% of the population, there are simply too many kikes in those higher positions.
>and I am ignoring all the non-Jewish people who also help run these apparati, and all the Jewish people just trapped as cogs in the machine alongside me, because it is easier for me to conceptualize class struggle in purely ethnic/tribal terms
When you're talking about an enthnicity or tribe which has been historically nepotistic, forming 'societies within societies' then you can see the legitimate threat kikes holding these higher positions present.

Do you think a media class whose choices are dictated almost entirely by kikes are able to provide a non-biased opinion when it comes to kikes or the grasp they have on our country? Why would a media owned and operated by jews be interested in reporting on the abundance of Israeli dual citizens in our government? Why is white privilege a thing but saying jewish privilege is anti-semitic?

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>When you're talking about an ethnicity or tribe which has been historically nepotistic

As you yourself pointed out in , white people do it too. They do it so often that they get criticized by everyone else for doing it. Black people do it, the Chinese and Indians do it... It's a natural instinct. I agree, though: Jewish people who do it deserve to be called out, too. There are contextual reasons non-whites and Jews are called out less, but Israel and Jewish billionaires exploit guilt for anti-Semitic atrocities to shield themselves from criticism on the left. I agree that part of the reason neither mainstream left nor mainstream right sources provide this criticism is rooted in the interests of a few rich and powerful Jews who enjoy having this shield.

My issue with you is when you (seemingly) try to apply this broadly to all Jews, but not to all elites.

Not all Jews are your elite enemies. Not all your elite enemies are Jews. You're confusing the issue by focusing on the ethnicity/culture in general, rather than on the specific small cabal that's fucking all us poor and powerless folks over, Jew and gentile alike.

>My issue with you is when you (seemingly) try to apply this broadly to all Jews, but not to all elites.
As pointed out , the non-Jew elite are overwhelmingly outmatched by Kike Nepotism
>but Israel and Jewish billionaires exploit guilt for anti-Semitic atrocities to shield themselves from criticism
Correct, and those same kike billionaires own every single media organization in our country
> I agree that part of the reason neither mainstream left nor mainstream right sources provide this criticism is rooted in the interests of a few rich and powerful Jews who enjoy having this shield.
You don't say, and as pointed out it's not just the rich or elite jews which take advantage of this shield/camouflage

In conclusion, gas every kike.

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>As pointed out , the non-Jew elite are overwhelmingly outmatched by Kike Nepotism

This post has a lot of flaws in its methodology.

It cites no sources for its numbers aside from specifically ideologically-motivated ones.

It counts a Jewish spouse as making one Jewish, regardless of whether one was already in that industry before "marrying in".

It includes amazingly tiny sample pools, such as "advisors to President Barack Obama" and "Wikimedia senior staff and trustees" and, even when they are a minority in an already tiny and very specific pool (as with Wikimedia), they try to spin it as supportive evidence. Why would the 17 senior staff at Wikimedia, most of who personally know each otehr and got together due to interpersonal relationships, ever be an accurate and proportional microcosm of American ethnic groups?

A lot of it just deals with finance and media. Finance makes perfect sense, for reasons I already mention. Media is... Troubling, but again makes perfect sense without an elaborate and deliberate conspiracy, because the media is controlled by those who hold the greatest FINANCIAL resources to buy editorial control. Ie. investors and bankers/creditors.

>it's not just the rich or elite jews which take advantage of this shield/camouflage
>in conclusion, gas every kike.

And yet most "kikes" are not noticeably better off than whites, and don't number among the elites. Why gas the random dude next to you, with the same basic social and economic woes, because some of his distant cousins are fucking you both over a barrel?

>Why gas the random dude next to you
>because some of his distant cousins are fucking you both over a barrel?
Correct

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Tucker Carlson is a shill for the same Jewish billionaires you hate.

>because some of his distant cousins are fucking you both over a barrel?

So you believe in collective guilt? Seems like something a person would believe in if they had trouble dealing with the complexities of individualistic or systemic thinking.

Also: some of your cousins are fucking you both over the barrel, too.

How so? Have you got calculations? Show your work.

>Tucker Carlson is a shill for the same Jewish billionaires you hate.
That's fine, I posted it more for the quote
>So you believe in collective guilt?
I believe I've had collective guilt levied against me my whole life and that guilt has been pushed disproportionately by kikes.
>Seems like something a person would believe in if they had trouble dealing with the complexities of individualistic or systemic thinking.
That's fine, however history shows that collective anger against kikes is not some anomaly, and it is only relatively recently that they've been able to enjoy such far-reaching, totally dominant control over public dialogue.
>Also: some of your cousins are fucking you both over the barrel, too.
That's fine too, family can always be dealt with once the guests are gone.
I suggest reading the information in the image here where the top post discusses the IQ difference.

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>I believe I've had collective guilt levied against me my whole life and that guilt has been pushed disproportionately by kikes.

Were they wrong to do so? Then so, too, would you be wrong to employ this tactic. Show some philosophical consistency.

>history shows that collective anger against kikes is not some anomaly

Collective anger between ethnic groups has never been uncommon, and still isn't terribly uncommon. It's only among a few philosophical groups (globalist neoliberal, universalist religious, universal socialist, true individualists, meritocratic ideologues) that it's even considered "bad" or "wrong" today.

>That's fine too, family can always be dealt with once the guests are gone.

Probably what the non-elite Jews you cite using "camouflage" are thinking. It's hypocritical when they do it. It's hypocritical when you do it. You're all being shortsighted and being played by the wealthier and more powerful of your groups.

>I suggest reading the information in the image here where the top post discusses the IQ difference.

But that post was compiled by someone who doesn't even fucking understand how IQ works, and doesn't actually explain what the natural overrepresentation for the deviations in IQ and specialization of skillset SHOULD be, in a merit-based system. Why would you keep referring people back to such a flawed post?

>Were they wrong to do so? Then so, too, would you be wrong to employ this tactic. Show some philosophical consistency.
They were wrong to do so because they created someone who has decided to treat them the same way.
>Collective anger between ethnic groups has never been uncommon, and still isn't terribly uncommon
Okay, so an ethnic group known for forming societies within societies who have enormous amounts of power in our country, who has created anti-free speech laws in other white countries specifically to prevent criticizing of them, why not be angry at them? Is your argument that no ethnic group has ever acted over their own interests over other ethnic groups within the same larger group? Why is it not the case here, because there are some who are not in on the 'scheme'?
>Probably what the non-elite Jews you cite using "camouflage" are thinking. It's hypocritical when they do it. It's hypocritical when you do it. You're all being shortsighted and being played by the wealthier and more powerful of your groups.
That's fine, as long as some kikes wind up dead on the way
>Why would you keep referring people back to such a flawed post?
Because it's only flawed according to you, why should I hold your opinions in higher regard?

Either way, I'm off to bed. Thank you for assisting me with fleshing out my opinions more and better prepare me for future encounters I may have.

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Umm, but that's actually true, sweaty.

>Jews are 20 times more overrepresented than whites, therefore their average IQ must be 20 times 100
this does not follow...

Please show your work

Take a look at what a bell curve looks like. Superimpose another with a higher mean. Look at the sizes of the tail ends.

That's not showing your work

>They were wrong to do so because they created someone who has decided to treat them the same way.

And the few Jews who consciously work against you, as well as the slightly greater number who half-consciously go along with it, would probably cite their long history of being abused, displaced, scapegoated, and massacred as reasons that they enforce or tolerate the current way of things to your disadvantage, such as it is.

>who has created anti-free speech laws in other white countries specifically to prevent criticizing of them, why not be angry at them?

Be angry at the specific people who make and support those laws, not the people who share their genes but play no active role in the challenges you both face.

>Is your argument that no ethnic group has ever acted over their own interests over other ethnic groups within the same larger group?

Not at all. My argument is that every group does that, and Jews are not uniquely tribal. Thus, they do not deserve unique animosity. Guilt is individual, reinforced or propped up by the system, not collective and genetic. At least, not if you recognize individual human beings as actors in control of their actions.

>Because it's only flawed according to you, why should I hold your opinions in higher regard?

Your arguments are inherently, admittedly simplistic, hypocritical, and do not lead to a true solution to your problem. You seemingly don't care if your own misery is perpetuated by fellow whites, "as long as some kikes wind up dead on the way".

>Thank you for assisting me with fleshing out my opinions more and better prepare me for future encounters I may have.

Only the best intellects refuse to critically analyze their own points in favour of being wrong in a more persuasive way, right?

>just focus on everyone else but the kikes
Pretty sneaky, sis

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is this satire

Someone needs to get control of their tiny voice, user

the point is that as the mean increases the area after some point does not grow in linear proportion (which is basically what you assume).

Why aren't you showing your work though?

what work? I'm not the one making bullshit claims here.

No! Don’t kill grandpa!

You're trying to denounce my claims as bullshit without showing why your claims of bullshit outrank mine

>Jews are not uniquely tribal. Thus, they do not deserve unique animosity

hmmm...

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>Idologies based off of a guy(s) from ancient Greece and Jews writing a bible
>Also guys from the 1700s
>Communism based off some faggot from the 1800s who didn't believe in property
Kill yourself

whatever. you can go read a basic statistics textbook to learn more about normal distributions and how they work. if you want to feel like you won this little discussion, feel free to do so.

Will do my man, in the meantime I don't need to feel like I won but you should know you lost

I thought that, having proven your superiority neatly and honed the deadly blade of your brilliant mind against the Hebe menace, you had retired to bed?

Here's your infographic. Note how a higher mean rapidly leads to a huge glut of members from one group at the high end, in comparison to a group with a lower mean.

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Interesting, now prove that would facilitate 3000% percent over representation, and while you're at it determine how much of that 3000% difference is due to nepotism

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how can anyone earnestly argue the sexual revolution hasn't been an unmitigated disaster?

so basically you guys are saying that jews do not have high enough IQ to rule and control everything from media to international politics, its because of nepotism and a pre established structure of power ? Like how feminists belive in a patriarchy and blacks believe in a white priviledge, that the system is rigged against them in favour of another group because of ..reasons ?
I mean I get it, I can for arguments sake believe that yeah, jews are not as high IQ or clever than others, but how the FUCK are they in control then ? DO not give me woman tier arguments like "muh jewish oppression", that makes no sense. There is something else at play here which you do not know so you are lying to seem smart

>its because of nepotism and a pre established structure of power
I'm saying nepotism and media/cultural dominance have allowed them to take control and turn away criticism throw laws.

The others are arguing that kikes are no different than any other race, person, or group and that focusing on jews specifically is intellectually dishonest

>throw
through*

The original post that claimed such a high rate of overrepresentation had several problems with how it sources its info, as well as how it defined Jewish representation, the relevant fields, and the relevant scope of the field(s) in question. See .

But you mean for me to calculate the exact percentage effect for each of: IQ, nepotism, cultural bias in desired career path, historical background in the field, geographic bias in relation to major financial sectors, favouritism and cultural biased by non-Jewish elites, and whatever legit (much less than all-encompassing) ethnic-supremacist conspiracy among Jewish elites might actually exist? Shit, neither of us has the sheer volume of information, the background, the training, or the time to do that.

Why is the entirety of the burden to provide reliable data and to graph, explain, interpret, and defend it on your opponents? Have you run out of supportive data on your end? Is that why you keep falling back on quotes which appeal to emotion and provide flowery rhetoric, without proving anything?

>focusing on jews specifically is intellectually dishonest

It is when you admit that you have just as much animosity to the Jews who AREN'T in control as those who are. Then, it's a blanket hatred based in an emotional place and in tribalist simplification.

Not always, but sometimes

What now, faggot?

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I get that, and I sort of agree with you, but just so we're clear, you're saying that the kikes have had cultural and media dominance since known human history , which helped them gather even more power and influence, eventually passed through nepotism. My question is, kikes have been kicked out of many communities over the centuries. How did they keep hold of this "media/cultural dominance" if they were ostracised from so many major civilisations, and if they did, how did they achieve said dominance is the first place ? Did god give it to them ? Were they born with it ? That is my question.

>boiling right wing politics down to boomer cuckservatism
This is why you'll lose

Whats this shit all about?

>Why is the entirety of the burden to provide reliable data and to graph, explain, interpret, and defend it on your opponents?
I've provided data, you said the data is incorrect. If you want you can leave your argument as 'your data is incorrect' and I can choose to not put forth any more effort in proving my data more reliable, or if we want we can further try and prove our arguments. Overall it's left up to the viewers of the information to decide, and I've learned that trying to play catch up to your opponents standards is a losing game especially when your opponent is from a group of people known to be specifically gifted with silver tongues.
>Have you run out of supportive data on your end?
I've provided all the data I feel I need to, as have you
>Is that why you keep falling back on quotes which appeal to emotion and provide flowery rhetoric, without proving anything?
I'm practicing for when I eventually write that novel I've wanted to do
>It is when you admit that you have just as much animosity to the Jews who AREN'T in control as those who are
I think it's similar to Muslims. I don't hate individual Muslims who don't do anything to me, I hate the ideology they ascribe to and what it means for me and my liberties. To me, my freedom of speech is both equally threatened by an increase in Islam as it is a further unchecked Jewish influence.
The jews on twitter who play white while attacking whites but hide from criticism behind their jewishness, those people are just as guilty as the media executives and are just as deserving of the gas. The other jews who just work at the mcdonalds and starbucks, they'll likely rally around their tribe to defend those who pushed for the minimization or extermination of whites while using their jewishness as a shield, further empowered by a kike-controlled media, and by doing so will also become just as much an enemy.

And this isn't new, it's not an anomaly. More and more people are agreeing with me.

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The dominance is not as eternal or as universal as he suggests. It's limited and contextual, and relies upon the cooperation of large groups of non-Jews. He cannot or will not acknowledge these factors.

Boiling down politics to arbitrary "left" and "right" points is kind of silly, too.

>It's limited and contextual, and relies upon the cooperation of large groups of non-Jews.
Is cooperation through manipulation cooperation?

Anyway I'm off to bed for real this time, I need to be up for work in 5 hours.

We certainly are lucky to live in such interesting times

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time tested = generally good
experimental = generally fail

And I will ask again. How do the kikes "convince" these goyim to cooperate ? You are giving me the effects, not the cause.

>If you want you can leave your argument as 'your data is incorrect' and I can choose to not put forth any more effort in proving my data more reliable, or if we want we can further try and prove our arguments.

I pointed out specific flaws, which you never even attempted to rebut or address.

>especially when your opponent is from a group of people known to be specifically gifted with silver tongues

Quebecois, or Indo-Guyanese? I'm not a Jew.

Also: what does elocution or eloquence have to do with have objective standards as to quality of data and reliable methodology in how you source and apply it? Is objective science and mathematics a Jewish conspiracy to you? Is logical consistency?

>The other jews who just work at the mcdonalds and starbucks, they'll likely rally around their tribe

They sure fucking will if you make it clear that their only choices are "kowtow to your rich cousins or be brutally and indiscriminately exterminated". You're setting up a scenario in which doing anything OTHER than rallying around their tribe is tantamount to suicide, then blaming these hypothetical future Jews for making the only viable choice.

>More and more people are agreeing with me.

Is truth a democracy? Is the logic or the righteousness of a philosophy or an action based solely on how popular it is? In that case, elites manipulating the media to favour them and opportunistic Jewish people trying to render themselves immune to criticism are doing something completely rational an ethical in such a system: rallying the democratic populace around a cause that favours them, thus making it good, true, and righteous.

Alternatively: they're wrong, and so are you, because your philosophies and behaviours cannot be widely and indiscriminately applied without creating systemic injustices against SOMEONE.

Grug once heard of tribe that had many shiny stone
Funny haired people started beating bones
Grug saw long nosed grugs teaching forbidden knowledge to large females and coloured hair animals grug took for monkey
Bone beaters give shiny stone to worthless grubs that cant make wall painting or hunt for meat
Then large females and coloured fur monkey attacked good hunters with messed up bone
Hunter took good women by the hair and took somewhere else. Now tribe food no more
Now all they do is beat messed up bone on rocks, and shiny stone no more.

kek

it's no longer about philosophical consistency
the libs have given that up
so should we
kill the traitors then we'll see about philosophical consistency

Jewish people have a higher average group IQ, especially Askenazi Jews. Their culture has a long history of financial, experimental, and scholarly aptitude, which they encourage in future generations, maintaining that higher IQ and those aptitudes. Those aptitudes lend themselves well to accumulating wealth and power, and using it effectively. "Goyim" in powerful places appreciate having the aid of competent powerful, wealthy, and well-read friends and collaborators.

SO... Just dissolve society as it is, kill a bunch of people, and then have nothing better ready to replace it with? That's the plan?

Sounds bad, man.

>who could imagine many people using the word "dark" to describe a bad thing? Must be the Jews behind this mystery!

NOW you're talking. Why are Jow Forumstards so reluctant to admit that jews are their intellectual superiors, at least when it comes to finance and manipulation ?
You know what my reaction was when I realised jews have high IQs ? I thought of getting a jewish wife so that I have smart children. Jow Forums just hates them instead of thinking for once.

something something fascism? natsoc which did better than most ideologies? why do you so desperately want to go along with a system that systematically opresses you and your people

based memeflaggot

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This board is fucked

commies belong in an incinerator