The left right dichotomy is retarded

Aaron Gray
Aaron Gray

The left right dichotomy is retarded. The problem is atheist materialism and it's use of scientists and so-called experts as the new priest class. I fear there is no way to bring the sacred back into the lives of the people. That is our only hope.

If the far left and far right could manage to recognize their common enemies and find common ground for a third position, that would work too, but that seems impossible with algorithms running the lives of people with little conscious awareness. Trump was a tremendous failure and now there's no one to get behind. At least the left has the progressive movement, people like Tulsi. All the right has is Rand Paul. We finally got an outsider in office and he turned into a neocon. I fear there really is no turning back without violent catastrophe.

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map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_cosmo_infl.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil_(cosmology)
staff.ustc.edu.cn/~wzhao7/c_index_files/main.files/axis_universe.pdf
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Colton Robinson
Colton Robinson

Original Wilfred was far superior.

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Cameron Rodriguez
Cameron Rodriguez

What's that show about the kid who has an imaginary friend. That used to come on PBS here on Sundays. I quite liked that.

Jaxon Kelly
Jaxon Kelly

The problem is atheist materialism
agree
let's all worship supernatural beings who's existence cannot be proven :)
allahu akbar :))

Connor Perry
Connor Perry

Science does not require a "priest class" (LMAO what a retard), you traitorous subhuman chirstkike. The thing about science is that anyone can repeat an experiment that has been proven, regardless of their own stature. Whereas your subhuman priests and all the other faggots who have been ruining society continue to spew mentally deficient fairy tales who have been debunked centuries ago without any consequence BECAUSE you have a priest class. Fucking retarded traitor.

Blake Phillips
Blake Phillips

It's a show about a dude who can understand his girlfriend's dog "Wilfred". The dog in fact secretly dislikes her current boyfriend and plots to sabotage their relationship. The show is shot on 16mm film and has that charming unrestrained film-student sort of feel to it. It's pretty interesting.

Bentley Cooper
Bentley Cooper

watching (((tv)))

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Samuel Hernandez
Samuel Hernandez

I'm not a Christian. You miss the point. Atheists have replaced religion with materialism, and use so called scientists and experts as the new priest class, as if their word was law from on high.

Sebastian Allen
Sebastian Allen

I know that. I was asking about a different Irish show, about a kid with an imaginary friend.

Zachary Butler
Zachary Butler

What. I would consider myself a "don't care" Atheist, but I'm also post-consumerism. I don't care about people who want to polarize me or try to rile me up for shit nobody really cares outside of Twatter and places I don't live
Materialism itself is not the issue, its that there is no school course or "recipe" for spiritualism in western society
we didn't replace Churchgoing with a happy "alternative sunday" singing 80ties songs with brunch or fun (as many hardboiled atheist do)
the issue is, that if you are truly enlightend you would also be post-usual-politicial systems, because they have all their fault and are by definition not based on humanity or any sort of ethics

Hudson Bennett
Hudson Bennett

I wasn't pigeonholeing all atheists, I was just trying to be brief. Indeed, Buddhists are atheists. You could say Taoists are as well.

You also get to another point I made. There needs to be a third position. To me, small, homogenous communities living self sufficiently with a benevolent almost unnecessary government would be ideal. I registered Green 20 years ago.

But yes, these people do replace church with other things. For them, WW2 is the new creation myth, racists are the ultimate evil, Hitler is the devil, and k ky technology can liberate us. There are many non religious people who feel this way.

Bentley Bell
Bentley Bell

More like mining Butttorrents.
Sorry I don't know. Maybe someone else does.

Kayden Turner
Kayden Turner

The problem is atheist materialism
just mention the jew

Nicholas Evans
Nicholas Evans

It really wasn't, both versions are sitcoms geared towards betas.

Colton Powell
Colton Powell

It's bigger than that, but yes.

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Jayden Rogers
Jayden Rogers

The left right dichotomy is retarded
Dawkins' Cult versus Jewsus Kike worshippers isn't
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

Chase Wright
Chase Wright

Do you realize the irony of your own post? You've made a fool of yourself.

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Jayden Garcia
Jayden Garcia

based Ivan bringing the bants

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Kevin Morgan
Kevin Morgan

What a lot of you will need to learn is why every president ends up following parts of the pre-existing system no matter what they said before.

1. The System is Multi-faceted: it’s success depends on making workable decisions on Economics, National Security, Education, Healthcare, Law on Paper, Law Enforcement in practice, and many more things.
2. The System is High Stakes: make a sufficiently incorrect series of decisions in any direction and results can be catastrophic. Law enforcement too strict? Misery. Too lax? Also misery.

3. The System is Intersectional: the variables are also modulating each other. The Economics effect every material decision in every sphere- the Soviet Union collapsed because the math didn’t work out, the relationship between expenditures and the productive capacity was too dysfunctional to maintain power.

4. The System is Segmented: the ability of executive leadership to be effective is dependent on the entire chain of command and implementation- laws mean nothing without enforcement. Enforcement needs bodies,needs force, needs referees, needs advocates, needs activists. The Mueller Report shows people under Trump ignoring orders- his actions are limited by what people are unwilling to do. Every Segment of the System with value has Leverage in that value, which can be used for it to advocate for or against an order.

5. The System requires Sturdiness: The System has to contend with internal and external threats and stress at ALL times. Republicans stir up tremendous fervor for National Security because if it is found to be lax malevolent entities WILL exploit the vulnerabilities. If the vulnerability is economic, they will strike there, if it is policy, if it is law enforcement, if it is public credibility- doesn’t matter what the vulnerability is, what is visibly vulnerable is what will be targeted.

When you take the parameters into account, the number of ideal actions drops significantly.

Eli Howard
Eli Howard

You're half right. You make it seem impossible to change anything significant but you miss out the main reason - powerful people will not sacrifice their own power and money for the good of the nation.

Government employees exist primarily to be employed by the government, their actual occupation is secondary to keeping themselves employed by the government. If any President came up with a brilliant plan to cut government expenditure in half while maintaining the same level of everything you listed it would be blocked if it involved a significant number of powerful government employees losing their 6 figure jobs and hordes of underlings.

Colton Carter
Colton Carter

Assuming that's true, all the more reason for violent revolution. How do you go from being an isolationist, to increasing the military budget to $750 billion and threatening a coup in Venezuela and was with Iran? WTF?

The system is tainted. It's a bad system. The left an right must converge to destroy it.

Mason Lewis
Mason Lewis

This as well. If a system coul be implemented to give everyone a job paying $100,000 a year at the cost to the wealthy, it would never happen.

Blake Torres
Blake Torres

The left doesn't exist anymore in mainstream American politics. The only left leaning centrists have gone underground because they're not progressive enough for the insane purple haired monsters roaming the streets in dildo parades.

You won't get any help from the monsters and most of the left leaning centrists are now seeing out their time on this earth with a morbid depressive haze enveloping their perspective. They won't betray their ideals by going right wing and they don't believe in the whole tree of liberty being refreshed with the blood of tyrants thing.

It's essentially the right vs the monsters with the left leaning centrists who think it would be quite nice if poor people had more money and the government stopped food companies poisoning our food going either way or no way at all.

I think the US military budget is well over a trillion now by the way.

Justin Collins
Justin Collins

Any effective System is going to be self-serving to a certain extent. Oligarchy is virtually universal because having an asset long-term means having the force to protect it. If you can’t protect it, it will get taken by somebody eventually. A government made up of people too self-sacrificing will have them quickly taken advantage of by more selfish actors.

People love a martyr, but you don’t want them running things. Do you want somebody with a suicidal impulse decide military policy? Do you want a government that would rather die nobly or one that prioritizes survival?

The reason oligarchy rules the world is because greed is more sustainable than suicidal altruism. Greed has too much control right now- everyone feels it. But in giving up some of that control the entire thing becomes vulnerable. Taking that vulnerability too far creates enormous risk, not doing enough does too when political violence is escalating. It’s a tough balance.

Jonathan Thomas
Jonathan Thomas

I'm not saying department heads should throw themselves in to the slaughterhouse willy nilly, I'm saying that when the President orders a department to be shut down, half of its staff sacked and the other half subsumed by a similar department the head of that department shouldn't be running around looking for political ammunition to use against the President in order to avoid having his department shut down.

Cameron Wright
Cameron Wright

No, oligarchy rules the world because of Neoliberal subversion and a rigged monetary system.

You're partially right. Hillary and Obama were center right if you want to get down to it though.

There are real leftists. Nader is a leftist. And I mentioned Tulsi.

Daniel Brooks
Daniel Brooks

You go from isolationist to neo-conservative because all the stressed out large men in military uniforms with countless medal decorating their chest come give you a PowerPoint presentation of who and what is trying to kill you, how, through what means, through what degree of capability. And then some policy nerds will tell you through what level of public support, what we can do to mitigate it on policy, how to market the policies to decision makers and the public, to what degree are decision makers and public informed of the reality of the situation, to what degree are they misinformed, by who, for what purpose, to what effect, on and on and on.

Understand that the executive National Security decisions are by their nature, based on the most privileged and hidden information in the world in many cases. Which means that what decisions are optimal is harder to see with clarity outside of the highest spheres of power.

You think these systems will just do whatever POTUS says even if he ignored all of the new information he just received? Depends on the loyalties of people in the jobs that matter at the end of the day. Look at the giant Chinese agriculture famine last century for a perfect example of a new leader breaking the system to try something radically different and tens of millions suffered and died for it.

Carson Parker
Carson Parker

You need to graduate to a higher level of discourse here friend, this isn't high school civics. A man of principle would stand his ground. Threats? There are no fucking threats to us, only business interests. Are you insane? How is Venezuela threatening us? And the Iran hit is just more bending the knee to King David.

Gabriel Wood
Gabriel Wood

You sound like meat. Would you give up your job as part of a government spending reduction initiative for the good of the nation?

Andrew Wilson
Andrew Wilson

atheist
materialist

I'm both but not even left wing. Have fun.

Camden Ramirez
Camden Ramirez

Oligarchy ruled the Romans. Neoliberalism is just the new name of the eternal They. It was the British Empire before the Americans. And in the end it was the Soviets too. Stalin changed the fashion and mission statement of the Czars, but he kept the power and it’s methods, and he kept a lot of the ceremony and splendor, if with a new and modern decor.

Justin Anderson
Justin Anderson

The third position is literally National Socialism and it’s offspring ideologies.

David Roberts
David Roberts

atheist materialism
just say materialism. Atheist is redundant because there's no god to be found in the material world.

Grayson Morgan
Grayson Morgan

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Blake Sullivan
Blake Sullivan

jewish vs non jewish is the only political stance that matters

Hudson Rivera
Hudson Rivera

I'm an esoteric Taoist friend, thank you for posting.

Aaron Roberts
Aaron Roberts

materialism was effectively created by religious people thinking they could learn about the creator by examining the creation
You could easily be a theist materialist through any number of rationales

Carter Lopez
Carter Lopez

I'm aware, I'm trying to get people to come to that on their own. Left economics, socially conservative.

Jose Murphy
Jose Murphy

We have proof that Earth is the center of the universe and atheist scientists have denied it through and through. I don’t know whether the atheists are as much an enemy as the jews but the world’s biggest whitepill being buried

Adrian Young
Adrian Young

I'm aware, I'm trying to get people to come to that on their own. Left economics, socially conservative.

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Ethan Morris
Ethan Morris

We have proof that Earth is the center of the universe
Are you retarded?

Leo Gomez
Leo Gomez

I believe the only way to right the world is completely destroying the current one.

Ethan Nguyen
Ethan Nguyen

If the universe is infinite literally anything can be the centre of the universe you retard.

Michael Thomas
Michael Thomas

You are thinking of all these countries and interventions as separate, isolated happenings, maybe not even temporally separated.

It’s not the threat of Venezuela.

It’s:

1. How does Venezeula’s status effect the US? If it collapses, it is unquestionably a giant refugee crisis. Which is a giant public relations crisis, a giant law enforcement crisis, a giant humanitarian crisis, a giant economic crisis, a giant crisis in terms of how the US’s response demonstrates competence or incompetence, constructive or destructive effects.

2. What level of involvement is Russia playing in Maduro’s apparatus? The more control regimes in opposition to the US exert in neighboring countries is always going to be a threat. Proxy conflicts exist at all scales- we show too much weakness it will be exploited. Tl;dr bad neighbors make a bad neighborhood.

We don’t want war with Venezuela. Not really. We want Maduro out and Russia to fuck off engaging with Central and South America on foreign policy. So far we don’t want that enough to perform an outright coup. But if we don’t at least present that threat to Maduro credibly, he’s unlikely to fuck off, and he hasn’t.

Venezuela is shit-testing the US and how involved we’ll get at the same time Iran is, and China is, and Russia is, as non-state terror groups are, as foreign corporations and intelligence services are- all points of stress happen concurrently. You show too weak of a posture and EVERYBODY sense weakness. Like sharks picking up a blood trail. Your violent revolution would send more fronts of hostility in every direction than a majority of people have any ability to grasp. And shit, it’s not impossible you end up with a more enlightened infrastructure after the millions of deaths, but it’s also pretty likely you get Hitler, Pol Pot, Napoleon, Caesar, Stalin, Putin, Gadafi, etc.

Adrian Powell
Adrian Powell

Left economics, socially conservative.
Looking at economic or political ideas is kind of silly. They are responses to situations.
These things are extensions of fundamental philosophies on the nature of the world applied to situations. A person who classifies themselves by these transient things is not really reliable. People who share a method of understanding the world will come to the same conclusions in these things. Thus a person aught to identify themselves by more meaningful criteria such such as 'why do you think you exist', 'what causes a person to have an idea', 'what is the nature of the experience of reality you are having', 'why do people interact with each other', and other such things.
A person who doesnt know their position on this, and knowing your position requires actually being able to defend it, not just having some sense that thats how it is.

Also hitler was right because he did not want to abolish class. Right is everything to the right of 'abolish production class'.

Adam Price
Adam Price

1. How does Venezeula’s status effect the US? If it collapses, it is unquestionably a giant refugee crisis. Which is a giant public relations crisis, a giant law enforcement crisis, a giant humanitarian crisis, a giant economic crisis, a giant crisis in terms of how the US’s response demonstrates competence or incompetence, constructive or destructive effects.
Build a wall, put up a sign saying fuck off we're full. Don't care about the international response because the US is large enough and geographically diverse enough to be self sufficient barring some esoteric luxuries (also smartphones) that could be replaced within 10 years with enough R&D.

2. What level of involvement is Russia playing in Maduro’s apparatus? The more control regimes in opposition to the US exert in neighboring countries is always going to be a threat. Proxy conflicts exist at all scales- we show too much weakness it will be exploited. Tl;dr bad neighbors make a bad neighborhood.
Who gives a shit about Russia? They're not even communist anymore. "Global control" is no longer part of their core ideology. The only times the USA has abandoned isolationism before the year 2000 was in response to a direct attack or to prevent global domination by a single power with the avowed intent of global domination including the USA. That's the way it should be.

Note, I'm not denying the possibility that Russia wants to control the world, I'm just saying that it's no longer part of their core ideology. They're not running around claiming the entire world as their de jure lebensraum anymore so they're not a valid target for an isolationist nation.

Ethan Lewis
Ethan Lewis

No

www-personal.umich.edu/~huterer/PRESS/CMB_Huterer.pdf
arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0604346.pdf
Multiverse is an outdated interpretation of the inflation theory. Inflation theory arose because atheist scientists couldn’t stand the idea that space is nearly perfectly flat and the empirical evidence all points to creation by a divine being. NASA’s website admits this
“WMAP has determined the geometry of the universe to be nearly flat. However, under Big Bang cosmology, curvature grows with time. A universe as flat as we see it today would require an extreme fine-tuning of conditions in the past, which would be an unbelievable coincidence.”
map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_cosmo_infl.html

Liam Hill
Liam Hill

Burger, your view is too nuanced and correct. Don't you know you're just a "zionist shill" for suggesting there are legitimate concerns for the US? How dare you imply that the US has sovereignty or should do anything at all to try to curb an obvious disaster that is developing.

Isaac Phillips
Isaac Phillips

stop paying attention to them
start paying attention to meeeeeee

Colton Thomas
Colton Thomas

Are you saying that you can comprehend the scale of a universe created by a perfect creator as anything other than infinite despite you not being on the same level as the creator?

Heresy you fucking retard.

Brandon Johnson
Brandon Johnson

Fuck off the American one was a lot better than the aussie normalfag shit.

William Miller
William Miller

To me, small, homogenous communities living self sufficiently with a benevolent almost unnecessary government would be ideal.
based
you should read up on Distributism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism

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Eli Nelson
Eli Nelson

Bullshit. Feminism destroyed the family.

Cooper Brown
Cooper Brown

As opposed to the Christian version of Nihilism?
nothing else matters except jesus
okay.

Jayden Rodriguez
Jayden Rodriguez

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil_(cosmology)

Hunter Smith
Hunter Smith

Its another episode of desperate commie wants to latch unto other peoples success.

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Xavier Martinez
Xavier Martinez

materialism dosnt say ideas dont exist, it says ideas only exist in the mind, and are generated from the minds experience of reality.

This kind of thinking, that the screen you are reading this on is a real thing and your experience of it, the idea you have in your mind, comes from your senses interacting with this thing. This is a materialist concept.

Most people, are neither materialists or idealists. THey are some mixture of the two. A real, pure, idealist, would reject the existence of the screen in absence of his mind, or maybe he will say reality is a projection of the shared minds of many people. Different kinds of idealists, there is lots of room for imagination when you reject the requirement for any sort of empiricism. :^)

Most people in the modern era, they are idealist in so far as they will tend to have ideas pop into their head and never really consider them, just insist they are correct, and get angry if someone tells them otherwise, even if they provide proof. Idealism is what allows the SJW movement to exist. They have decided people are all equal in an absolute total sense (something no socialist has ever insisted) and therefore, now immune to any possibile considerations to the contrary, they see any unequality as evidence that some sinister force of racist/biggots/society is selectively oppressing things. Just like a superstitious person would think some god or spirit has cursed them or others for their afflictions, the sjw thinks similarly.
It is true, of course, that they selectively use materialist thought processes some of the time. They invent non empirical base assumptions with their idealism, but then use materialist causality to explain everything as a result of them.
Yes most of society is confused.

Hudson King
Hudson King

No, I'm not. Again, I'm an esoteric Taoist, paying attention to the ecology is fundamental. What I'm thinking, is that there is no disaster brewing, that this is all a scheme to extort power from the people. I'm thinking the federal government is too big and powerful. Non of that shit affects me in Kentucky. But inflation does. Wasted money does.

Michael Butler
Michael Butler

and where did feminism come from?
it was the capitalists pushing for more women in the workforce to achieve lower wages which are necessary to sustain the capitalist model
Feminism grew strongest in the most capitalist society in history.

Adrian Howard
Adrian Howard

I know Chesterton and I agree.

Jose Wright
Jose Wright

anyone can repeat an experiment
Very racist senpai

Jason Allen
Jason Allen

This thread is covered in tin foil.

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Daniel Foster
Daniel Foster

You’re the heretic if you don’t see the lies put in front of you. We’re not some insignificant rock in an infinite universe, we are the center of it. The temperature of the entire universe aligns and splits evenly with us, confirmed by 3 separate satellites. That’s not all that’s aligned too, check this out

“In this paper, by considering the preferred axis in the CMB parity violation, we find that it coincides with the preferred axes in CMB quadrupole and CMB octopole, and they all align with the direction of the CMB kinematic dipole. In addition, the preferred directions in the velocity flows, quasar alignment, anisotropy of the cosmic acceleration, the handedness of spiral galaxies, and the angular distribution of the fine-structure constant are also claimed to be aligned with the CMB kinematic dipole.”
staff.ustc.edu.cn/~wzhao7/c_index_files/main.files/axis_universe.pdf

Daniel Butler
Daniel Butler

My only enemy is Islam

Noah King
Noah King

they can take their fiat money, what good is it? The factories and mines and farms and such are now free from their control, they can go starve with their dollars.
US houses are shit, drywall construction fall apart after a couple decades. They should all just be torn down and replaced with nice comfy commieblocks.

Ryan Ramirez
Ryan Ramirez

Moone Boy

Nicholas Hughes
Nicholas Hughes

Russia is in this state because we put them there to some extent. We do not want another Cold War with a giant economic and geopolitical bloc that poses an existential challenge to us.

Russia is not that to us economically or militarily right now. But in a more permissive environment, they could expand more if they felt the desire to. Dugin clearly does, he believes in a Eurasian bloc. And there IS one already, if less formalized than Eurasianianism.

China, Russia and Iran are taking complementary decisions on foreign policy pretty frequently. They all bet on Assad in Syria. They all support Maduro’s claim to power. We’ll see to what extent they’ll back Iran with the sabre-rattling going on.

But to tell you the truth, I think China is the big story and the real picture of what the US needs to contend with. Because isolationism can work, until somebody else with ambition starts their own interventionism

. I think China is ambitious- a modern civilization grown both in opposition AND simultaneously in the image of the American Empire. In opposition through the Chinese party’s Communist roots and heavily Soviet style; in communion through the economic explosion of global free trade deals with US-NATO that have turned them into a global economic force that rivals the US in scope- and so much of it achieved through the ability to undercut capitalism by wide scale corporate espionage and intellectual property theft and the will to mercilessly depress labor wages that are still upward mobility for their hundreds of millions of peasants, kept in line by a truly totalitarian government.

Joshua Taylor
Joshua Taylor

Nonsense. You can't have it both ways here.
"muh capitalists exploit the workers"
"muh capitalists masterminded feminism which undermined their control over the workers"

Yes, doube income households are garbage but the argument doesn't make sense. Capitalists didn't voluntarily cede control of their industries and workers. No one in 1930 was playing a 90 year long-game where they assumed that eventually women being taxed would somehow help them. Feminism is specifically socialist/marxist/memegalitarian in nature.

Oliver Sanders
Oliver Sanders

undermine their control over workers
how? making workers weaker increases their control, and increasing the labor pool makes workers weaker.

Socialist feminism is 'females can wear pants'. It would also have females in the labor force, but in a socialist society set up where EVERYONE is in the labor force.

Socialists dont go around saying 'this thing is bad because capitalists do it'. Historical materialists dont dislike capitalism, capitalism did, and even still can, be a positive force. The system of production changes the society, and then the society changes the system of production. The two are interconnected.

Females in the work force, under capitalism, can have bad consequences. It can also have good consequences. One of the good consequences of it is that it enhances the overall socialization of production which will aid in the sentiment of socialized ownership of production. However it can also undermine the workers power if capitalists have too much of a hold (as they do in the first world currently). If anything first world socialists should push for as many people to not work as possible, to give labor more power.

Actual historical materialist socialists do not say an idea or a principal is good or bad, thats idealist thinking. According to historical materialism even slavery was a good thing, in its time and place, as it was an upgrade over what came before, and had good and bad qualities. One of its good qualities was creating the material conditions for its own abolishment :^)

Jacob Wright
Jacob Wright

that poses an existential challenge to us.
How? The USA is large enough and geographically diverse enough to be self sufficient.

Matthew Baker
Matthew Baker

The possibility of disaster is constant. The Chinese famine is one of the most interesting case studies in wide-scale disaster.

The crux of it was just bad farming practice. It’s the civilization scale version of Steve Jobs dying of curable cancer because he took retarded pseudoscience alternative medicine instead of going to a real doctor.

If you implement a really bad policy, you can very easily create a really big disaster. So in practice, if you deviate highly from what works consistently- yeah, you could get something that works better or you could also die.

Profit based society does of course produce extortion practices. But so does ideological society.

Landon Kelly
Landon Kelly

If it was not outsourcing everything for profits.
Self sufficiency is something socialists think about, capitalist states just want to make their ruling class (capitalists) as rich as possible.

Dylan Martin
Dylan Martin

I'm not stupid or lonely. Stop trying to push your ideology on me.

Hudson Garcia
Hudson Garcia

Here we see the idealist resort to anger and confusion when their reality is challenged by the mere implication that some small section of their thoughts about it are inaccurate.

This makes sense of course, for the idealist reality itself is a projection of the mind, and so being wrong is quite literally world shattering.

Hunter Bell
Hunter Bell

I don't think you've read my posts.

Caleb Fisher
Caleb Fisher

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Jonathan Gomez
Jonathan Gomez

I honestly just take every single chance i can to post posts similar to that one i posted. I came up with the idea a few weeks ago and think its very clever.

Nathaniel Martin
Nathaniel Martin

What is hard to gauge is China’s level of ambition, and that’s where US-NATO risk assessment needs to look and consider possibilities.

There was just the other day a hearing on Huawei, 5G networks, and the Chinese Communist Party’s use of these intermediaries as potential infrastructure and espionage backdoors into western nations.

This is a very real threat, and it’s vectors are multi-directional. It’s easy enough for the US simply ban Huawei hardware for importation where they feel it’s a threat. But that’s not addressing the real scope. Because if our close allies like the UK or France import this hardware, use Chinese infrastructure- now we have to assume that all of our communications with the UK and France are subject to theft on their end of infrastructure.

So, we have to try and convince our pals not to buy the low upfront cost of Chinese 5g because it’s in conflict with our national interests.

This is just one example. There are plenty of others. I agree with developing the US into being as self-sustainable as possible 100%. But we are inarguably bound to world events. The size of our structure is global, and thus American events are global events. And if China exerts as much influence as we do, then the same will be said of Chinese events.

I have plenty of misgivings about this country. I think Iraq was an incredible missstep, though one I understand more than I used to. But I think the Chinese System has a lot of ambition and a lot of tolerance for authoritarianism. A best case scenario is a normalization where the world comes to a consensus we don’t want dictatorships, the worst case scenario is total global war and collapse.

Oliver Cruz
Oliver Cruz

It's an indoctrination tactic and if you had any shame you would kill yourself.

Parker Sanchez
Parker Sanchez

But we are inarguably bound to world events.
How? The USA is large enough and geographically diverse enough to be self sufficient.

The size of our structure is global
OH BOY I LEFT A SUITCASE FULL OF MONEY IN THE NEXT CITY OVER THEREFORE I MUST ANNEX THE NEXT CITY BECAUSE I AM INEXTRICABLY BOUND TO WORLD EVENTS THROUGH NO FAULT OF MY OWN

Juan Nelson
Juan Nelson

nice strawmanning, brainlet. thats real jew-tier thinking there
competitive markets drive down prices, yes? thats kind of the entire utilitarian argument for capitalism. this is done by firms constantly innovating ways to increase revenue and decrease costs. Labor makes up the largest cost for the great majority of businesses. Thus firms in a competitve market are constantly trying to minimize labor costs, just as with any other production cost.
Problem: workers are also the bulk of consumers. As wages fall, aggregate demand falls as well as consumers have less purchasing power. This reduces revenue to firms, and hence adds more downward pressure on wages. its the inherent contradiction in free market capitalism because due to the separation of workers from profits derived from capital ownership they only see downward pressure and not corresponding increase from increased profits.
The history of capitalism has been one of expanding labor markets as much as possible in order to increase labor supply and lower labor costs. This is why feminism was pushed, not for some cultural marxist bullshit that didn't exist 100 years ago. Its also why immigration is pushed, and for similar reason why globalization too (to find new labor markets and new purchasers of products).
It wasn't some illuminati conspiracy like you suggest, just simple market forces doing what market forces do.

Nicholas Cox
Nicholas Cox

indoctrination tactic
what is wrong with trying to indoctrinate people?
the propogandist is the most noble creature, he must do battle with the invisible wills of people, shaping them and molding them. Everyones different, and so he must be careful, and pick wisely the most effective technique. Only the censor has as much an insight on human psychology as the propagandist. Of all people you can trust them the most. After all, how can someone be a successful propagandist if they do not truly understand people? And how could a person, who truly understands, be anything but a helpful friend?

This is why for example, you can simply listen to varshavyanka or sacred war, and know that communism is correct.

Jordan Miller
Jordan Miller

what is wrong with trying to indoctrinate people?
Indoctrination inherently targets the vulnerable, the lonely, the stupid. What you're doing is taking people who need help and offering them help as long as they become your dogs.

There's nothing inherently wrong with this but people with scruples would feel bad about doing it. Do you feel bad about it?

Jose Anderson
Jose Anderson

I am helping them by ensuring they are thinking properly. Their weaknesses and vulnerabilities are caused by their material conditions. They should be angry about this, and understand who has harmed them.

You see, they have already been indoctrinated, i am simply counterindoctrinating

Levi Morales
Levi Morales

Counterindoctrinating is the right word, you're taking them from Cause A to Cause B without improving their lives but giving them an illusory enemy to blame all their problems on.

Would you like to learn how to unindoctrinate people?

Bentley Nelson
Bentley Nelson

You can only be left alone if the world will leave you alone. What, you think we are going to go from global trade with everyone and then just fuck off to farms and factories at the flick of a switch? You think we are free of dependence on all of our partners and all of their channels of leverage? Do you know concretely how much of our reality is economic and how much of it is social, through our global relationships you seem to think we should sever?

Yes, we should bring a lot more labor back into the country. Unquestionably correct. But there are competitive advantages to interacting with others. And if we don’t engage them, somebody else will. And if they then, think we look weak, they may well try to impose their will on us.

Orwell wrote on how Pacificism will always give the world to the Nazis. A country has only so much say if they will be involved with a fight, the fight can always come to you. We got involved in WW2 when it was clear there was no possible escape from its consequences. We can become more isolationist gradually, and with a basic maintainable d health and strength and a preparedness to recognize if the situation is developing into a threat beyond our capabilities. But it’s a lot easier to just prevent the growth of that situation by maintaining top dog status IF we can do so and retain our soul.

Gabriel Murphy
Gabriel Murphy

Thank you based Canadian. I'm still old enough that I still ask people questions like that in order to try and start a conversation instead of just sitting home alone Googling things by myself. Have an Audrey as a reward.

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Liam Cox
Liam Cox

Humans are self indoctrinating. Its part of being social. They will naturally absorb whatever societies ideas are passively.

Aiden Mitchell
Aiden Mitchell

Do you know concretely how much of our reality is economic and how much of it is social, through our global relationships you seem to think we should sever?
No, I'm just laughing at you for giving up isolationism and defending your new stance which is inherently unAmerican because it's non-isolationist. To clarify I don't dislike you, I would love you to be isolationist again, it was cool, but don't spout this bollocks about Global GDP growth and 3% capital non-profit QUANGO bollocks gains by outsourcing 1,000,000 jobs to China you fucking traitor.

Orwell wrote on how Pacificism will always give the world to the Nazis.
Isolationism isn't pacifism.

We got involved in WW2 when it was clear there was no possible escape from its consequences.
Yes, Hitler had the avowed intention of conquering the world and then Japan blew up American sailors. Good for you for fucking them. Why did you go on the death spiral of destroying isolationism after that?

But it’s a lot easier to just prevent the growth of that situation by maintaining top dog status IF we can do so and retain our soul.
Police the world if you want, just stop toppling anti-jewish world leaders because the jews told you to. Do the police serve the people or the masters? If you have a soul do you think the jews care about it? Do you think the oligarchs are aware of it? Do you think anyone anywhere in the chain has the ability and interest to save your soul or do you think everyone wants to use you for their own agenda outside of America?

You know how everyone says "just be yourself" and we all laugh at them for it? America needs to unironically just be itself.

Grayson Adams
Grayson Adams

I'm going to assume you're comfortable with who you are and what you do. Good for you. I dislike you for it.

Michael Taylor
Michael Taylor

Whoa whoa whoa kike menace. I thought the evil capitalists were there own aristocracy. Why would they care about driving down costs if they're already monopoly owning rich fat cats? This logic isn't consistent.

I'm not suggesting a grand conspiracy either, you are suggesting "muh capitalists did this" while somehow trying to tell me feminists (who often lobby and lobbied against capitalists) were actually devised by the capitalists of old to cheapen labour. Labour costs didn't actually go down, though, the value of money did due to inflation. The cost of labour now is still comparable to cost of labour on the past. Feminism has it's roots in marxism and socialism. The first " women's day" was soviet for fucks sake. What you are suggesting makes no sense for "the capitalist pigs" to have engineered.

David Ross
David Ross

feminism is when females do something

Andrew Jones
Andrew Jones

The real disaster is the one they won't talk about. All else is theatre. The reason Iran, China and Russia are threats is because of the Petro dollar. It is the same reason we are after Venezuela, the reason we have sanctioned them into the so-called crisis they are in now. The have the world's largest reserve of oil, and they want to keep it under government control, trade with Russia, and use the money to help the people. The US does not want the citizens to ever realize that the national resources of a country don't belong to the Rockefellers, but instead could belong to the people.

If the Petro dollar goes, then yes, there will be a real economic disaster in the US, and likely most of the Western world will fall with it. But is that such a baby thing? I don't think so. This is are going to need to get very uncomfortable before there is great change in the right direction. It is necessary for the house of cards to fall, and is akin to goin into heroin withdrawals; you have to bite the bullet and suffer it out.

Carson Lee
Carson Lee

implying "the people" decided there should be " women's day" from inside the Gulags.
Feminism is a stupid, egalitarian bullshit movement. It pre-existed these regimes but it was weaponized to help destabilize the west.

Jayden Gutierrez
Jayden Gutierrez

Trump was a tremendous failure
Thats a weird way of saying democrqcy is a failure

Noah Gomez
Noah Gomez

You also forgot that in the 80's they started targeting everyone with credit cards so they could go into date for the latest retarded Gizmo or gadget that cost $50. This also propped up the economy. And then in the late 2000's they started pushing the "reverse mortgage" shit to boomers, so they could saddle their children in debt or take the house, all so they could blow money on hit thy ordered off of tv. It's really disgusting. If you've ever seen those TV stations that poor people and old people get, they are always advertising reverse mortgages along with some new stupid healthcare gadget they can order off tv. It's truly disgusting.

When you couple these kinds of things with the fact that they do not teach people about money or economics in grade school, and make it deliberately difficult for the average person to understand with all of their jargon, this shit should be criminal. As should corporations. The whole concept of a corporation spots in the face of law and order and justice.

Sebastian Garcia
Sebastian Garcia

It is natural progression, shit takes time.
People believed in some god or thing for thousand of years and all of a sudden there is a void. You cannot expect them to fill that up with something meaningful in just a couple decades.
That doesn't mean however that these aren't great times. For the first time in forever people are genuinely questioning who we are and what our purpose is. It's a wonderful step forward for our species.

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Alexander Thompson
Alexander Thompson

Who said anything about outsourcing more jobs to China? No, I think Steve Bannon has a pretty good idea of how we should be countering China.

But let’s get this straight, there was no choice for isolationism post WW2. The Soviet System was not something we could just let expand unopposed.

And so, yes, that meant alliances and treaties that people like George Washington could have warned about. It meant direct, multi-theatre involvement. The stakes demanded it, we and the USSR were mutual existential threats. That never makes for a simple relationship.

So, their system was financially insolvent to a point of collapse. Worst quality of life drop in modern history. But also, a breathe of relief for NATO because remaining threats are not of a superpower nature.

So, now there’s one super—bloc and smaller regional actors. Whenever there is a significant power shift, that’s when ambitions kick in. That’s when states relying on the now defunct alliances become vulnerable. Do we tell everyone we put in power, “thanks, good luck with everything, cya”? Do we let Islamists run wild killing everyone they want? It spills over to us sometimes. We’ve made a lot of enemies, are they going to leave us alone if we leave them alone? How willing are you to risk it?

Virtually everyone agrees Iraq was an over-exertion. I feel that way about rhetoric from hardliners on Syria too. At the same time, if we were to hypothetically just sit back and watch while the Assad regime killed all the Kurds or something like this- it doesn’t inspire feelings of security for us or our allies. Maybe if we can keep the main effects away people will be willing to look the other way, but the emotional picture is always going to be compelling because for the most part, people do not like evil and suffering. And if that stuff is not being opposed, and in fact we are doing business as usual with those governments or ignoring them- people will not like it.

Easton Bennett
Easton Bennett

Bullshit - History has shown that the American remake of any series is always inferior to the original.
THE OFFICE is a prime example.

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Isaac Rodriguez
Isaac Rodriguez

If you're implying (((christianity))) would save the west you can go fuck yourself faggot.

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Andrew Morgan
Andrew Morgan

A constitutional republic with democratic values can work when the states have more power and more rights and the federal government is very small and charged with few tasks and power only to carry those tasks out. When the states all began to fall in line so that they were all almost identical to each other, falling in line with the interests of Washington is when we got a problem. States should function vastly different from one another based on demographics, natural resources and culture, but they don't. Mass media has been the most detestation weapon in destroying culture and bringing everyone to heel.

Daniel Johnson
Daniel Johnson

Venezeula’s crude isn’t very high quality and we are already their biggest buyer at something like 40% if I recall correctly. Their reserves are more of a US leverage against the Maduro regime than they are a direct threat to us.

To put it simply, if we stop buying Venezeula’s oil it is worse for them than it is for us, and that’s precisely why Rubio and Bolton use that as a line of attack.

And the US dollar is backed by military might before it is any form of resource control, because military might IS resource control. Oil is an important economic and utility paradigm, but it is still the martial might that is most crucial.

Christopher Rivera
Christopher Rivera

This is not the first time people are questioning that. Although, there are people questioning in greater numbers than ever thanks to the internet. However, there are just as many people who are convinced that we are nothing but a bunch of randomly mutated cells. Science has really dropped the ball by making too many things taboo. There are just now people coming around on things humans have always known like psychedelics, meditation, mindfullness, flow state, etc., but progress is still painfully slow because of the stigma which stuck with the enlightenment and science wanting to separate itself as far as possible from religion. But there need be no such separation when it comes to spirituality. There are even atheists who realize this.

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Joshua Ward
Joshua Ward

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Nolan Garcia
Nolan Garcia

Read the thread please. I never Impied such a thing. Again, that's the same binary way of thinking. I'm an esoteric Taoist.

Caleb Jackson
Caleb Jackson

You're absolutely correct that the rise of communism with the manifesto "we can't survive unless we're a global entity" necessitated the breaking of isolationism and the scale of the enemy was such that long term alliances needed to be forged. You're also right that you can't fuck over long term allies once the existential threat has been defeated.

After the fall of the wall America continued to expand and forge alliances. That was wrong. You spent so long acting as a non-isolationist entity that you forgot you were an isolationist entity. Since the fall you have been expanding when you should have looked at yourselves and said "right, we expanded to achieve this goal, we achieved this goal, now we need to retreat cautiously and ensure that the people who helped us receive their reward." You failed to do so.

You're accepting the modern paradigm of America as the objective reality. It is not. It is betrayal and it goes back to our original discussion, powerful people who refused to give up their power once the nation no longer needed it. Every single person in charge of US-ex-soviet bloc country relationships after the fall of the wall who refused to surrender power when the state no longer needed them in that position was a traitor if they opposed losing their power under the return to isolationism. The President at the time was a traitor if he refused to return to isolationism. The military at the time were traitors if they refused to disarm to a reasonable level when they were no longer in a cold war. The intelligence services at the time were traitors if they refused to scale back operations to a reasonable level when they were no longer in a cold war.

Are you a traitor for defending the new American hegemony? Not really, you probably weren't around when isolationism was a thing or when people accepted that they had to forgo isolationism for a while to protect themselves. You are a product of the era in which you were born.

Jack Diaz
Jack Diaz

It's unnecessary to point this out. Violence backs all systems, that goes without saying. But it is no coincidence that we had to flex that military might in every country which opposed fiat currency and the petrol dollar. That's the real root of these issues.

Evan Flores
Evan Flores

you could have resorted to force Russia to take a stand in Syria and Turkey. But that bridge is burned with a high oil price. If it would have been kept at 45$, the game was on
Now there is zero accountability and zero influence
its like the guy at the top has no clue at all

Kevin Bell
Kevin Bell

Pretty accurate user.

But in the short term you have a choice. Trump or a raving lunatic antiwhite antichristian profaggot islamist candidate.

I choose Trump to at least allow my family some measure of stability before the liquidate parental authority over childrens education and free speech/gun rights for good.

Lucas Moore
Lucas Moore

I'm just disappointed. I've voted third party for twenty years. The first time I vote for a republican I got hosed.

Josiah Powell
Josiah Powell

After the fall of the wall America continued to expand and forge alliances. That was wrong. You spent so long acting as a non-isolationist entity that you forgot you were an isolationist entity. Since the fall you have been expanding when you should have looked at yourselves and said "right, we expanded to achieve this goal, we achieved this goal, now we need to retreat cautiously and ensure that the people who helped us receive their reward." You failed to do so.

100% bro. Ive been saying this for some time. George Washington warned us about entanglements and factions.

Christian Price
Christian Price

Oil quality is a buzzword, it's about the utility of the oil. Low quality long chain oil is extremely useful in road building and maintenance. Developed nations will always need it as long as they have roads built and maintained by conventional methods.

Industrial methods exist to convert low quality oil in to high quality oil and most of the highest grade applications like kerosene require even the highest quality oil to undergo this process known as cracking in order to make them in to the substances we need.

Essentially the only difference between low quality oil and high quality oil is the amount of times it needs to undergo cracking to produce petrol, kerosene, propane etc. Low quality oil is technically better as it is more difficult to get bitumen (asphalt) from high quality oil than it is to get kerosene from low quality oil.

Bentley Long
Bentley Long

I agree, scientists are taking a staunch stance on sticking with what can be measured.
Many religions, even the non-Abrahamic ones and the ones who are closer to thoughtforms or philosophies, still find common ground in the existence of the soul.
That concept gives meaning to life, whether or not you believe in concepts like karma and reincarnation.
But science wants to stay clear of such topics, and as such people are often lead to believe that everything we do here is meaningless.

Nevertheless, I stay with the thought that people will have to figure things out for themselves, even if it would take hundreds of years.

William Cox
William Cox

Yeah but at this point we gotta hold fast and tolerate the neocon until we have built the grassroots to remove the unelected conspirators by force.

Its true we are facing either tyranny or civil war. My view is an economic collapse may save us and unite the base US native population. (Yes im not an immigrant i was born here contrary to the globohomo traitors.)

Blake Roberts
Blake Roberts

He didn't warn us about the idea of prolonged wars necessitating a suspension of isolationism for long enough for an entire generation to be raised under the umbrella of non-isolationism. This is not a failure on his part, he just expected people to be better than they are.

Thomas Jenkins
Thomas Jenkins

I hear what you are saying but you need to realize what we need to happen will not happen unless we make it happen. No exceptions no skydaddy no god emperor. US. two letters. U. S.

Blake Wright
Blake Wright

common enemy

The common enemy is AUTHORITY. You may think being with out rulers, true anarchy, sounds bad but id rather take my chances than being violently abducted and forced to strip for a little bit of weed.

Noah Parker
Noah Parker

unless we make it happen
Sorry, the train has left the station on that one. We will yield to whatever technology demands of us, and we will lose our soul in the process.

Isaac Wright
Isaac Wright

Are you honestly suggesting that competitive markets don't push firms to lower production costs and wages? For reals? Every single economist from Adam Smith on believes this.
I don't know if feminism was 'devised' by capitalists, but they sure liked it and pushed for it. Labor costs have gone down, drastically in the past 40 years in fact; labor productivity has skyrocketed while nominal wages have remained flat...this is a massive reduction in the cost of labor.
Inflation is another tool of capitalists to increase revenue; by expanding consumer credit they permit the workers who suffer ever reduced wages to purchase more by using future income (subject to usurious interest of course!). Its the same thing just on the opposite side.
and as for equating feminism with marxism,
yeah your right! the marxists are pushing for the same fucking thing the capitalists are, you ignorant wretch. They are just playing both sides so midwits like you will think they have to pick one or the other, but the end result is the same. One economy, one race, one religion, one nation, one people. And No God.

Lincoln Taylor
Lincoln Taylor

One economy, one race, one religion, one nation, one people. And No God.
God John Lennon became a huge faggot.

Hunter Kelly
Hunter Kelly

The whole Project for a New American Century crew deserve a lot of the reputation they have. And I agree NATO especially became too ambitious not only in the Middle East, but in setting up installations ever closer to Russia’s borders and beyond where we had agreed.

9/11 for whatever a meme it has been, was world-changing in every sense. Because on the one hand, you now have a world where non-state actors have achieved global scale effect. Osama Bin-Laden showed the world that the big tough cowboy still bleeds red. And he did it with unsophisticated weaponry. Hafez Assad had successfully gotten US away from Syria with suicide bombers- now suicide bombers have perpetrated an act on a high value target within the nation. Timothy McVeigh had proven internal non-state actors were capable of similar levels of destruction.

Iraq was an opportunistic application of force on a long sought target because Cheney and Rumsfeld saw they had more public support to take action than they’d ever had before, so they sold bigger and stronger action than they otherwise could have or should have.

There needed to be a US response to non-government terrorist threats. No action is an action which will be punished by further shit tests. We fucked up in trying link a strong man preventing the surge of terror forces to those same forces. He was more of a lid on terrorism than a vector for it. And so was Gadafi.
If we actually move against Iran I think that would also be a big mistake.

But there is also something Iraq showed in its failure that actually reinforced the validity of one of the neo-conservative platforms arguments- and that’s that when the central authority collapsed the result was brutal factionalist violence. If the US gives up global leadership, I think there then becomes a similar risk of factions that presently are contained in scope of conflict but only under the conditions of stronger power willing to express itself

Matthew Barnes
Matthew Barnes

and that’s that when the central authority collapsed the result was brutal factionalist violence
Balkanization was always the intention, and those "non-state" actors you speak of have a long relationship with CIA, Mossad, and Saudi intelligence. There's no such thing as pax-americana, it's a steaming load of bullshit needed to sell weapon's contracts and war for Israel.

Henry Ross
Henry Ross

9/11
No, no, nope and triple nope.

9/11 was the cherry on the top of the cake, it has nothing to do with America giving up on its founding aim of isolationism. 9/11 was when the American zeitgeist was irrevocably destroyed and replaced with the new global hegemony.

America stood on the precipice of loyalty or destruction in 1991, that is when America fell. 9/11 was the coup de grace, not the cause of the fall of American isolationism.

You can still extricate yourself from the burden of what you call "global leadership" but it will not be easy, you have made many enemies and demoralised your own populace. Most of them don't even know or remember what America is supposed to be. Rebuild or don't, I don't care but if you personally are going to argue on the premise of the new American paradigm this is a pointless conversation.

I'm happy to discuss how to return to the America that the founding fathers envisioned, I am not happy to discuss how America's current situation is the fault of everyone else in the world and how America just has to be what it is, not what it's supposed to be.

Jaxon Hall
Jaxon Hall

We don’t want the Arab states unified, but we don’t want them run by jihadis or creating giant refugee crises either.

And I mean, yeah, we all know this would all be easier without Israel. But they’re a nuclear state. We’re not going to let the Arabs trigger the apocalypse if we can stop it. We should be reigning Israel in more than we do, but if you have a chain of command willing to take the world with them if they are presented true existential threats from their millions of hostile neighbors in every direction, it’s not so simple to control. This beyond all the faith and religious aspects that make the country and region the true global focal point it is.

Mason Hughes
Mason Hughes

You're saging this thread. I thought this was a real discussion. If you're actually American I'm disappointed in you.

Jace Price
Jace Price

Yeah, I'm rooting for economic collapse. I just hope that by "civil war," we actually get Revolutionary War 2.0. That's my biggest fear is that the Neocons, Neoliberals and corporate media led by the CIA will have done a good enough job of making social issues number one and dividing the citizens so that the people with the same economic issues end up fighting one another and declare premature victory when their social issues come out on top. But hopefully if it comes behind the collapse of the economy and probably the Petro dollar, this will be impossible, as people will have to join one another to fight for their economoc interests.

I still feel like it's a shame that it will have to come to that, especially the violence. That's what I was pointing out in the OP. We just don't have anyone in the Congress or the Senate on the right side of things who are pushing for real change. At least the lefties figured out they could sneak in as Democrats and try to reorm the entire party. This is easier for them I think, because the Democrats don't Stan for anything other than, "were not Republicans," when in reality they basically are except again, for social issues. The left has Tulsi, AOC, Omar. The only one on the right is Rand Paul. I wish that more people on the far right an the libertarian right could figure out to run as Republicans.

But I suspect that as divided as the country is right now, there are many places where people would vote for an openly far right candidate. The only issue is, if they started winning, the Republicans would do exactly what the Democrats are doing and would do everything in their power including changing the rules to try and stop them.

That's why I really feel that the far left and far right needs to come together, stop using the words commie and Nazi, find a common ground, and create that new Grass Roots party that can appeal to ALL of the extremists and revolutionaries BEFORE we bet to economic collapse and war.

Julian Howard
Julian Howard

LOL, you didn't understand anything. Holy fuck, you are metaretards.

Jayden Myers
Jayden Myers

I still live in the early 00's...

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Dominic Reed
Dominic Reed

But they’re a nuclear state.
They're a nuclear state only because that traitor James Angleton covered up the fact that the shit head Israelis were stealing nuclear material and tech. Fuck the CIA and fuck the FBI.

Kayden Harris
Kayden Harris

Yes, I find it extremely flawed to believe that even with technology enhancimg our five basic senses, that we can somehow perceive, measure and label all of the phenomena of the natural world which interact with us. Their own science basically debunks this. Our brains of evolved in order to survive and procreate on this planet. Everything which we can perceive is through this evolutionarily sculpted lense. That is why quantum physics breaks down logic and reason.

We must employ methods which allow us to transcend these survival oriented sense in order to peer deeper into the nature of reality. Again, meditation an psychedelics are a great way to do this. Jung claimed dreams were the best way. What we do know is, we are able to perceive of things deeper and more Complex than the material world, and to anyone who has experienced these things, the appear and feel more real than the real world, and have profound, life altering effects on our perception for the rest of our lives.

Until science begins to explore there, it is going to be stuck in this unhealthy fascination with technology, and the retelling of the story of Frankenstein, only this time with AI.

Owen Johnson
Owen Johnson

Do you think the concept of a spiritual afterlife is reasonable

Thomas Gomez
Thomas Gomez

Reality has nothing to do with what anything is supposed to be.

No matter how much you dislike the current environment there’s no booting to older versions. When it takes months at sea for people to get from the US to Europe, there’s no way the organization will be the same when it takes a couple hours. Communication networks are heavily globalized too. So is pop consumer media, so is this site.

I don’t think US foreign policy needs to be the same it has been. I think it needs to be quite different. To what extent do you mean isolationism though? Whatever picture the founding fathers had does not contain within it 5g networks, ICBMs and artificial intelligence. Any picture without an understanding and application for risk assessment on the development of rival groups is not conducive to survival. We can barely keep up with the variables as is.

Even if we decide to use less Chinese labor, and I hope we do, you aren’t just cutting that off. You’re cutting off a lot of our information gathering activities. They are as advanced as us in many tech fields, and more in some. If we cannot keep up and compete, we will go the way of the Soviets. I do not have faith that America just sticking to itself will be left alone. Even if we were to adopt your vision, the same types of forces that forced our hands in Europe last century could easily manifest again, if differently due to tech developments.

I say we give the Middle East and Eastern bloc breathing room. Bring back a lot of manufacturing. Divest to pre WW2 levels of uninvolvement? I don’t see how.

Ethan Sanchez
Ethan Sanchez

WTF? Why is he saying the thread? Is he afraid other people will come in and question his fucking "civics 101" and CIA talking points? He keeps talking down to everyone by "explaining" the most basic bitch, tow the line, explanation of our geopolitical situation as if he had never given one single thought to the possibility that our government might be lying to us.

The majority of his posts coul be refuted with many, MANY things published on WikiLeaks. That's the reason I told him he needed to elevate his level of discourse, and why I stopped responding to him for the most part. He legit sounds like a pro government shill. Holy fuck.

Josiah Adams
Josiah Adams

Without getting too in depth and arguing definitions and other minutiae, yes I believe a spiritual "after life" is reasonable. But I don't think it resembles this life in any way, an I think k memories of this life are almost certainly she'd all kst immediately.

John Cook
John Cook

He legit sounds like a pro government shill. Holy fuck.
Ya, this guy is a strange one. I think in the future he should probably get permission from his superiors before going on Jow Forums.

Elijah Sullivan
Elijah Sullivan

Divest to pre WW2 levels of uninvolvement? I don’t see how.
I would love to explain it to you but I only explain things for the people when the probability that I'm talking to a government agent is less than 100%.

Farewell and adieu, meat.

Blake Sanchez
Blake Sanchez

That is why I often believe it would be good if we could provide people with everything, so we could lessen the impact of survival signals on our brains.
If food, water, shelter etc., were provided to everyone for free, people would have all the time in the world to figure out the bigger stuff.
Well most of them probably wouldn't, they'd eat and watch TV all day. But that would also come to pass eventually. The cycle of rebirth gives us an infinite amount of time to grow.
If people could live without constantly trying to avoid lows and chasing highs, we would be more objective and logical, better equipped to find the truth about our world.

Tyler Scott
Tyler Scott

Well at least their smart enough to stay behind a computer screen while monitoring us

Jacob Moore
Jacob Moore

and that’s that when the central authority collapsed the result was brutal factionalist violence. If the US gives up global leadership,

You are worrying about global leadership, this is going to happen here at home. You’ve imported dozens of factions over the last 30 years. They’ve set up shop around the country. You’ve lost control of the blue cities but you turn a blind eye to that because you are terrified of another Waco.

Yes, when the us hedgmony collapses shit will hit the fan worldwide. However, There will be too much killing going on at home for you to notice.

Jason Cox
Jason Cox

Let me expand on blue vs Waco. O men you are focused on the right wing. So much so that you have tunnel vision and you lost your way. You filled the cities with people loyal only to the money you pay them. Good luck with that,

Thomas Clark
Thomas Clark

You filled the cities with people loyal only to the money you pay them
Yes, these insulated twits they graduate out of Harvard and Yale really think they are world citizens, and they believe they have more in common with the European elite than their neighbors 10 miles down the street.

Nicholas Adams
Nicholas Adams

What revolution do you want? What are you hoping to achieve? Why would I support it?

You want a revolutionary war, as if it will happen inside of a vacuum. No, American civil war or collapse will be a global power vacuum which will be filled with violence and instability in every direction. Shit, maybe it’s even inevitable.

But I understand that that process will be hell on earth for years and millions dead. I’d rather try and steer the system to better outcomes. That’s not fast and romantic, but neither are the realities of most large scale revolutions. Revolutions are built on emotions every bit as propagandized, as nationalistic as the most intense of “government shills”. This is why both left and right wing revolutions produce the same totalitarian ends. Fuck that. I want stable rule of law more than some idealistic bullshit.

Parker Murphy
Parker Murphy

Quantum Mechanics Debunks Materialism

youtube.com/watch?v=IMtDuv48XsQ

Joseph Sullivan
Joseph Sullivan

and it's use of scientists and so-called experts as the new priest class.

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Bentley Murphy
Bentley Murphy

American civil war or collapse will be a global power vacuum
No their won't be. Power will shift accordingly, there may be some new players, and probably some old players, but a power vacuum is virtually impossible. There might be some initial instability, but nothing like the hell that US policy has imposed on the places unlucky enough to be in greater Israel's path.

Dylan Perry
Dylan Perry

I basically agree. That's why consciousness was able to elevate so much more once we got past pure tribal society in which basically only the shaman was afforded the ability to do such things. But at least in that system every community had a dedicated seeker. The only problem was, they too were a little too focused on nature in it's physical form and seemed to become rather sure of themselves and were often dependant on psychedelics.

Once we had agriculture and more stable food and shelter, that's when we began to get people who realized the needed to look within to communicate with God. And in most religions, the people would come together to support these people so that they could have the privilege of having someone who they could go to for answers when they reached a roadblock on their spiritual journey. But this too became corrupted, and now we have televangelists.

One of the reasons I became a Taoist is because they always taught the importance of self sufficiently in order to avoid things like this, these traps. So I think rather than give people everything, you need to give them the tools. And only people trulu devoted to seeking and helping others should be freely given food and shelter if you want the to flourish.

Alternatively, you could provide people food and water and shelter so long as there was a spiritual leader in the community, and community gatherings and spiritual services replaced tv and video games and anything else which isolate people from one another.

Daniel Cooper
Daniel Cooper

Yeah, I came to that conclusion way earlier. That's why I told him to raise his discourse or there was no point talking. This is seriously some shit your high school civics teacher would argue.

Chase Reyes
Chase Reyes

We don’t want any of that.
It’s going to happen because historically that’s what happens when a powerblock falls. You keep thinking about the US as the Power in the world, you are ignoring, likely on purpose, that the white powerblock is about to disinigrate here at home.

Colton Adams
Colton Adams

Scientists and engineers are being held back partly because religious and naive cant handle shit. But the mainly current class divide and impending collapse is happening because its what the evil elite want.

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Jordan Jones
Jordan Jones

And btw, I just want to say to everyone, great thread guys. This is why I still come to this shit hole. Even the pro US government shill played a great role here. I miss threads like these as they used to be far more common. Besides the stupid Christ cuck comments and commie comments, we covered a broad range of important, seldom discussed topics here in a civil and profound way.

It's been a real pleasure, truly. There's not enough positivity and encouragement around here, but to all who participated in good faith, whatever your opinion, I appreciate you guys, and keep up the good threads. You've given me some hope.

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Colton Gomez
Colton Gomez

This is a good point. I'd much prefer to overhaul the system, but that seems impossible. Even the real progressives are being shit on by the Democrats.

Nathan Green
Nathan Green

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Grayson Evans
Grayson Evans

Why are you so convinced of your greater discourse? Because I’ve treated Israel’s interests as something to be considered? Mystical self-sufficiency is the only answer? It’s good but no man is an island.

In being a revolutionary there is an unavoidable arrogance. You don’t really have more information than the decision makers, in fact you nearly always have less. Yet you believe you have superior solutions. Sometimes it is true, and sometimes it is not, but you are sure nonetheless.

Jaxson Moore
Jaxson Moore

This. Best serious thread in a while