Hitler made some good points, but what on earth was he thinking with that war?

In retrospect, he probably would have never tried to reunite the German peoples in Eastern Europe if he could; or he would have destroyed the British when he had a chance.

He didn't want war. He didn't want war with England in particular. He gave them many peace offerings. He waited 3 months to attack them back after they bombed civilians in Germany during nightraids; he opposed the night raids and hoped they'd stop.

The reality is he did not want war. Churchill and his "financers" did.

Jews destroyed russia and the other people of the USSR, Hitler never wanted anything but the best for the russians

I don't believe that. If we read hitler's writings, it's clear that his goal was to save the "german race" and to save the world funnily enough. It's not that his goals were bad, his methods however were horrendous.
Naturally, if someone attacks an ally without a declaration of war, and refuses to pull their troops out of your ally's territory in spite of repeated warning, you have only one option left if you are a strong and honorable nation. To fight!
I don't know why you seem to think that this is somehow a point in your favour. An invasion without a declaration of war defies international law and is a deeply underhanded move.

He actually did. He talks about it in his book.

>Expansion is necessary if you want your race to continue to exist with their own resources and their own efforts.

>Today the superior races, which are the only truly civilized races, decide in their pacifist blindness to not make any efforts to expand their territory. While the lesser races who are simple-minded and cruel, constantly expand and occupy large liveable areas.

He said much more and I'm too lazy to write it, but he did want war. He was forced to invade Poland because of what was happening to the German minority there, but he would have started a war sooner or later. Perhaps if he got more time he would have prepared an even more kick-ass army. Maybe he would have found more allies, maybe he would have won. But the war was inevitable.

I said that hitler wanted to save the germanic race from jewish bolshevism, is that incorrect? Read Hitler's books and see for yourself. The problem are not his goals, but his methods. We saw the disaster it not only brought to Eastern europe, but Germany as well (and ultimately the entire world!).

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ww2 was nothing europe recovered and increased its population in just a few decades. all that shit was rebuilt in years.

war is nothing and everything is disposable -- except glory.

your army and wome got fucked 10x harder and you were too chickenshit to fight the Germans until you outnumbered them 10 to 1.

Don't listen to Jow Forums for most of this shit, they're massively fucking uneducated when it comes to this shit. Lebensraum is the entire basis of Nazi ideology, and Hitler wanted a German empire stretching to the Urals with Germany emulating America's expansion Westwards. War is literally central to the Nazi ideology.

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Well no. The millions of dead will never return for one, but what I am primarily focusing on are the social consequences. If we look at the terrible societal changes that has taken place since ww2, they can all be traced back to it. It begun as an infiltration by jews and leftists into academia, and then very slowly spread like a cancer from there. This infiltration was in large a reaction to the war, and was only possible because of it. All of us can see the state of modern society today, can we not?

thats what the g*rm gets for burning lidice. The capital city of the fucking galaxy

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The Germans didn't fuck any woman. They would get shot if they did that. Veterans have said it themselves and it has been confirmed by people living under occupation.

Read a history book for god's sake.

>He was forced to invade Poland because of what was happening to the German minority there
Dumb meme.

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Jews were doing that shit before the war. Thats why there was a war. Stop shilling for kikes. The only bad thing about ww2 was that germany lost.

History books say the red army suffered some of the greatest defeats in world history.

I know all about it, user. He probably didn't feel ready for it. Mussolini had told him that they needed about 3 more years to be ready for war too. He didn't want that war. But he did want war, he literally talks about his plan to invade Europe in the book. He even says how Britain tried to come closer to Germany earlier and he was thinking about allying with them to do it.

Exactly which civilians? The ones laying dead and shot up in byelorussian villages after the german advance? Or the millions of russians, ukrainians of byelorussians who lived in starvation due to german occupation? No it can't be them you're referring to, because they clearly tell a different story.

It is true that the germans did enforce that kind of disipline for some time in some areas like in France, but in the east that was very much not the case.

They did. The Germans were fucking them up. Then they weren't able to keep fucking them up. So, the red army started doing the fucking.

The war was unavoidable from Germany's point of view.
Britain and France had absolutely no reason to get involved.
History would have been better if we just let Germany and Russia fight.

And it's very clear that it was not from a lack of determination of bravery on the part of the soldiers. It was due to a combination of factors, primarly the army being about as unprepared as it could have been when the war broke out, and failures in leadership at the highest level. Doctrinal issues were also very severe and would not be really resolved until 1944.

Nothing suggests the german occupation was particularly oppressive or undisciplined in the ussr. If anything it was just as bad or worse to be behind soviet lines when talking about starvation or random abuse. Why make a thread only to white knight for the soviets?

Dude, we lived under occupation too. They killed countless civilians and wiped out whole villages most of the time as payback for their soldiers doing by resistance fighters. To be fair we killed about 17k of them and took many prisoners too. But they didnt rape. And the starving wasn't their fault. They didn't have enough to eat themselves. You can blame the Brits and the Muricans for that.

>Nothing suggests the german occupation was particularly oppressive or undisciplined in the ussr
Are you joking?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht#Rapes
>Other sources estimate that rapes of Soviet women by the Wehrmacht range up to 10,000,000 incidents, with between 750,000 and 1,000,000 children being born as a result
>A 1942 Wehrmacht document suggested that the Nazi leadership considered implementing a special policy for the eastern front through which the estimated 750,000 babies born through sexual contact between German soldiers and Russian women (an estimate deemed very conservative), could be identified and claimed to be racially German. (It was suggested that the middle names Friedrich or Luise be added to the birth certificates of male and female babies.) Although the plan was not implemented, such documents suggest that the births that resulted from rapes and other forms of sexual contact were deemed beneficial, increasing the "Aryan" race rather than as adding to the inferior Slavic race. The underlying ideology suggests that German rape and other forms of sexual contact may need to be seen as conforming to a larger military strategy of racial and territorial dominance.

Debatable. The Red Army of june 1941 was the best fighting force on earth. If it was caught out of position thats not because the army was shit or poorly equipped.

>And the starving wasn't their fault
What was the 'Hunger Plan' for 500, Alex?

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The jews were doing that indeed, and people were opposing them. The war not only increased their determination, but completely disarmed their opponents. Now I really don't care if hitler had exterminated the jews. It would surely have been terrible, but let's face it the world would have been better off in the end. No, the problem is that he waged aggresive wars of conquest against his fellow europeans, with ideas of ethnic displacement, i.e. genocide in mind. Not only was that unequivocally evil and unjustfiable, he utterly failed in the end.

Yeah wiki has a lot fan fiction on it. General plan ost is a meme in case you didnt know.

>General plan ost is a meme
In what way is GPO a meme?

The Soviet Union was a different story. And even then, they wanted to give the food to German soldiers and civilians. Many Ukrainians living under occupation still said they preferred Hitler over Stalin.

SIE WOLLTEN DEN KRIEG!

The Swede was talking about Nazi policy in the East though, he even mentions how it was different in the West.

Germany didn't want a war with the west and actively offered peace on several occasions. As for the war against the soviet union that was a war international Jewry and one fully justified. I dont subscribe to the better not to have fought at all line of thinking.

It wasn't real.

Wait how the fuck is it not real?
What is Volume 2, Chapter 14 which is literally titled "Eastern Orientation or Eastern Policy" about if not the ideological justifications behind establishing GPO?

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>They think WW2 was anything but a peasant uprising
Fools, the world was lost with the conclusion of WW1

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Hitler totally didn't want war. It's not likeGermany tried to kill Hitler and sue for peace

fuck that kike Einsenhower for lettin the commies reach to Berlin first. He ordered patton to halt the march towards berlin but patton wanted to help the germans.

Fair enough, my bad. But still, the Soviets weren't exactly well-fed under Stalin. So.... Nah, it was still bad. Can't justify it.

Let's look at some numbers. The red army had only about 600 modern medium and heavy tanks at the start of the war, and a bit over a thousand modern light tanks. The t-26 were helplessly outdated by the time of the war. The germans in contrast had several thousand modern medium tank.
The soviet divisions were in complete unreadiness and in many cases underequipped in summer 1941. Most motorized divsions had not recived trucks or artillery tractors, and the tank divisions were completely unready, being only equipped with tanks and some logistical support, severely lacking artillery and infantry support (tanks are of course not very useful without support). The divisions were not in defensive positions, and were in fact in the middle of a very large relocation effort.
Finally and most damningly, the soviet red army was actually outnumbered by the axis at the front due to them having most of their army in the interior.

No wartime documentation has ever been found supporting genocide in the east. Its soviet propaganda like 90% of the holocaust. Lies made up to slander an ideological enemy and motivate the slave solders of the red army to fight.

No, the world was lost at the START of world war 1.

The only reason he lost was the decision not to bomb the British fleeing Dunkirk. If he had wiped them out there, Western Europe would have been more or less eliminated from the war. He wanted peace with Britain so they could take on the soviets as a united Europe and end the threat of communism. Kikehill of course had other plans, as he didn’t care if his own troops and civilians lived or died.
After Dunkirk, Hitler knew that Britain would not allow the war to end and even if he won, the Soviets would come in and sweep up Europe with their horde since all the fighting men are dead and their supplies are exhausted, just like they did to Russia and attempted to do with Germany at the end of WW1.
After Dunkirk, he knew the war was a loss for Germany and possibly all of Europe, so he sacrificed Germany to halt the spread of communism before it was too late.
That’s why he started operation Barbarossa almost immediately after. He had to take out as much of the soviets man power and weapons before they were ready. The results speak for themselves, at the price of his country, he saved the entirety of Europe. America coming to fight the Nazis only served as a further defense against communist expansion. Germany was dealt a massive blow, but it eventually recovered as he knew it would. The soviets never got their hands on Western Europe, and the US was able to beat them in the Cold War.

Hitler was so insanely charismatic that he could convince you to let a bear fuck you. The fact that people loved him and were willing to follow him to end makes sense.
Not only he was charismatic, but he gave the Germans bread when they were hungry, restored their pride after being utterly humiliated and made them all feel like they belong. Hard not to follow a leader like that.

No, man. The hunger plan was a thing.

And the allies were willing to accept peace if he removed his troops from poland and returned poland and czechoslovakia to independence. In fact, at the beginning the allies only demanded hitler to move out his troops from poland. Hitler was not willing to do this.
Towards the end of the war, when the conclusion was no longer in doubt, the allies were naturally not willing to negoiate any longer.

That is true but that does not mean every one of his members were loyal. The only reason why Germany still fought till the end was cause Hitler had a replacement for every person

>>Not a single copy of the document detailing Generalplan Ost could be found after the war among the documents in German archives. Nevertheless, that such a document existed is beyond doubt. It was confirmed by one of the witnesses in Case VIII before the American Military Tribunal in Nuremberg, SS-Standartenführer, Dr. Hans Ehlich, who as a high official in the RSHA was the man responsible for the drafting of Generalplan Ost. Apart from this, there are several documents which refer to this plan or are supplements to it.
>The principal document which makes it possible to recreate with a great deal of accuracy just what was contained in Generalplan Ost is a memorandum of April 27, 1942 entitled: Stellungnahme und Gedanken zum Generalplan Ost des Reichsführers SS (Opinion and ideas Regarding the General Plan for the East of the Reichsführer SS). Its author was Dr. Erich Wetzel, the director of the Central Advisory Office on Questions of Racial Policy at the National Socialist Party (Leiter der Hauptstelle Beratungsstelle des Rassenpolitischen Amtes der NSDAP). This memorandum is in a way an elaboration of Generalplan Ost - a detailed description of Nazi policy in Eastern Europe.
You're being disingenuous here.

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by exterminating them and annexing their land. yep that's very friendly of him

Hitler was financed by many bankers like Prescott Bush, Warburg's, and had help from queen lizardbreaths uncle Charles Edward Saxe-Gotha-Coburg in order to fulfill the Balfour Agreement.
The point of both world wars was to cull the European and North American populations of brave men so only the cowards could have kids

The soviet divisions were universally equal are better equipped in motorized transport to the german enemy in 1941 and their tanks, event the t26 were the equals or better to all but the very latest german models that were themselves far outclassed by the latest soviet designs. The Red army in the summer of 1941 but it was not some incapable rabble.
>he divisions were not in defensive positions
Largely true. They were positioned for aggressive action. Either preemptive strike or rapid counterattack its up for debate.

>Entirety of Europe.
>Commie civil war in Greece.
>Eastern Europe falls to communism for 50 years.

If Britian and France were so concerned about Polish territorial integrity, why didn't they declare war on the Soviet Union after they also invaded Poland?
During the Warsaw Uprising, why did the Allies leave the Poles to their own devices?
Why was Poland given to the control of the Soviets after the war?

They didn't care about Poland, the Allies just needed an excuse to declare war on Germany and maintain their control over World markets.

war isn't a sprint it's a marathon. Russia blew out germany simple as.

Hitler occupied Poland because polish Jews were massacreing the German people whose land was given to Poland at the end of WW1. The allies were basically saying “Let us have free reign to massacre innocent Germans or we will declare war on you.” Hitler rightfully said fuck off.

>the Allies just needed an excuse to declare war on Germany
Then why didn't they declare war earlier during the Sudeten Crisis when Germany was in a much weaker position facing a heavily fortified Czechoslovakian enemy?

Because the Russians didn't break a treaty and secretly building a army

>Hitler occupied Poland because polish Jews were massacreing the German people
Find me a single example of this.

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>Somebody claimed to have seen something once at a show trial.
Compelling evidence. Was that before or after the masturbation machines and the bear and eagle pit were described?

i fucking hate this meme. We did let germany and russia fight for 4 years prior to d-day. It was obvious that germany's time was up. The red army won ww2 stop this nonsense.

Are you a communist waiting in bread lines today? No, no you are not. You were saved, even if it took longer than it took for Britain and France to be saved.

Kek pls go on

Depends what you mean by wartime documentation? If you are talking about nazi written plans, you are right in that very little evidence was found. Some has still been found. In terms of physical evidence, the evidence is overwhelming. Even if the germans had no plan to starve the slavs out, or displace them, tens of millions of civillians were starved or in other ways murdered and millions of soldiers were murdered. Indeed the soviet union did propagandize and dehumanize, but soldiers seeing their comrades in arms killed and their villages burning hardly needed much motivation from the state to fight.
I believe that had the germans been much softer in their occupation (which for variours reasons would have been a difficult feat) it's possible that the will to fight among the soviets could have been broken.

The world blew germany out and just for the sake of combating current year d&c kike threads the USSR =/= Russia.

This

In what way was Nuremberg a show trial?

Lmao bitch please, if the U.S., U.K., Canada and the rest of the allies weren't helping your poverty ass country out then Hitler would have rolled up Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad in 42'.

You mean you dont believe all the eyewitness testimony that claimed they saw it firsthand?

Source me

What was with England declaring war?

You can literally see pictures of Germans massacred and tortured with their eyes gauged out, the whole deal. Hitler had sent a letter to Poland (He sent a lot to Churchill too) asking for peace and stating his conditions. "Since they refused to give them [The Germans in Poland] to us, we will go and take them!" It was one of his most passionate speeches.

It is true that a comperatively small massacre of german civilians did take place, but this was merely pretext. I don't want to take anything away from the victims, several hundred germans (2-300 hundred I believe) were ruthlessly massacred by polish nationalists and jews prior to the war. But germany did hardly invade, reclaim ethnic german territories, enforce order and leave. No, they established a permanent occupation, displaced ethnic poles in large number, instituted an exploitative slave economy system and in cold blood murdered hundreds of thousand of poles. In fact, when the germans entered the town that the aforementioned massacre took place in, they began massacaring polish civilians, and in that town alone massacred far more than what the polish had massacred.

And when I say comperatively small massacre, I don't mean that it was a small massacre, it was truly terrible. What I mean that is was small in comparison to the horrors of the war that began shortly after.

I don't know man. A lot of eye witnesses claimed the holocaust was real with photos. Where"s the hard proof evidence?

Why do you suppose he did that, though?

They were. But WW2 helped them a lot. It basically made the western world globalist, so something like that wouldn't happen again. Hitler bet and he lost. And we are all paying the price to this day.

>You can literally see pictures of Germans massacred and tortured with their eyes gauged out
Do you have an actual verifiable source that isn't RudolfHess1488.blogspot?
>Hitler had sent a letter to Poland (He sent a lot to Churchill too) asking for peace and stating his conditions
Okay, first of all you've got the chronology completely fucked. Churchill didn't become Prime Minister until HOURS before Fall Gelb. Secondly, you do realise that by taking the Danzig Corridor (which was majority ethnic polish) the Nazis would be economically crippling Poland because it was Poland's ONLY sea port and something like 60% of their imports came through the Danzig Corridor, leaving it open to future invasion by the Nazis? Because this is exactly what Poland realised, because it happened with Czechoslovakia when they gave up their defences in the Sudetenland.

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>Hitler never wanted war, jews forced it on him.
Cope. Germany under Hitler was the first big European country to wage large scale wars of conquest within Europe against other Europeans since Napoleon.

Imagine being a 1930s, over-productive, industrial powerhouse of a nation and a European military power at that, with soaring birth rates, and in dire need of expansion, so instead of pillaging the third world like literally all of your neighbours, you end up cutting your 1000 year Reich short of about 985 years by launching a war of conquest against half of Europe.

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>It is true that a comperatively small massacre of german civilians did take place
Again, have you got a source for this?
What was the Massacre called?

A guarantee of indepence by a country is a public diplomatic promise that said country will come to the defense of the country it is guaranteeing the independence of were it to be attacked by a foreign power. Since France and Britian were following international law (unlike germany) they issued official declarations of war after germany attacked Poland.

Bloody Sunday
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)

>Hitler unleashed Einsatzgruppen on Russian and Ukrainian peasants to clear land for German settlers out of love
C'mon Hans, just own up to it

>tens of millions of civillians
Two points I'd like to note, first the soviets had a nasty habit of not evacuating civilians in many cases. Leningrad is probably the most famous example. In such cases civilian death as collateral damage while at time severe was not done on purpose as part of some grand plan of genocide. Note in such cases the red army was also responsible for many civilian deaths. Two the official red army stats tends to overstate civilian and understate military losses. This is still an ongoing debate among Russian historians so believe what you will on this one.

I didn't get the chronology mixed up. I'm just stating that he also sent letters asking for peace with Britain later.

And, yeah. You are right about Poland. I can't argue against it.

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Hitler himself said so.

You are aware that Bloody Sunday occurred 3 days after the German declaration of War, and the people being killed were armed German paramilitary troops?

>I'm just stating that he also sent letters asking for peace with Britain later
Ah, sorry. My bad, I thought you were implying that the Polish offers and Churchill offers were contemporary.

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I had heard that Stalin left the civilians behind on purpose, so the soldiers would fight harder.