I usually get this question asked around on Jow Forums:

By your logic you can't be proud of your father, either, or anyone for that matter, because they aren't exactly you.
Just as it's appropriate to be proud of your family, there's nothing wrong with having pride in your extended family.

rationality and logic are spooks according to Stirner's retarded philosophy you absolute doofus

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Also, unless you plan on changing the world on your own, collectives are necessary for ordinary people to accomplish anything of note, ESPECIALLY if there is direct and intelligent opposition.

But the question is to why should I have pride in anyone else besides me? What is my fathers accomplishments going to mean to me personally? I mean, sure thing, my father done some really good things, but then again, that pride can cause an unecessary division between people. The only division that should only be there is to be divided based upon how each individual has achieved in their life, yet morons like Jow Forumstards fail to understand that, because their fucking race is all they have as they are the lowlife losers who will never get laid. This exactly applies to Jews, who allegedly trick millions of people worldwide into believing that the Holocaust was real, while in fact it never even existed... we were tricked emotionally by them, and as such, I cannot really forgive any Jew who claims that Holocaust happened since you know that they love to use that shitty excuse to harm innocent people. Fucking barbaric savages.

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I am not fully egoist though, so shut the hell up, you fag.

You and your genes are, along with your environment, a product of your ancestry.
You can be proud of your ancestry because they provide insight into the sorts of things you might be capable of achieving, because aspects of them make up you.

Division between peoples are fine, sometimes even good. If you think different then you agree with the Jews you keep naming.

Collectives are important because they accomplish things, and everyone exists in them. Being an individual is impossible and worthless. That doesn't mean you can't think independently, but there will always be people you associate with and identify with.

I'm not responding to this thread anymore, I've laid everything out very clearly. Take it or leave it, but you'll grow out of your Sergon individualism phase soon enough anyhow.

Well at least I am against Zionism, so you can count me in my friend.

Does this mean it's time to take the spookpill?

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A small bits of it, my friend. Spookpill allows you to be more intellectually honest about the world, but don't take it too much, since you know, the extreme egoism is bad for you and for everyone else.

Shit's about to get spooky.

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People cling to race mostly to ride on the coat tails of others so they can feel good about themselves and get the same satisfaction of accomplishing something, by doing nothing - you had nothing to do with any of the accomplishments of your race, and most likely you are genetically more similar to someone on the other side of the planet than you are another 'white' person.

IQ is a spook predominately based on environmental factors
Race is a spook that is basically a folk religion.

Realize we are all in this together and it's going to take everyone's participation to save the planet.

> "IQ is a spook predominately based on environmental factors"
Talking out of your arse.
psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037/dev0000682

Well you are partially right about IQ and race, but then again, all that shit can be fixed, I mean, we do live in 21st century, no? Also, the white nationalism is just a meme to distract us from the Zionism, the real enemy who does not want world peace by using USA at any moment to wage fucking wars against everyone.

Well IQ is indeed mostly a spook, I mean, how come do you explain the existence of Gordon Freeman again? He has done far more for the black race than the entire pol has done for white race lmao

Notice how I said mostly. DNA does factor into it, but IQ can be improved and augmented through environmental factors and is not some inherent quality that is forever fixed based on you 'race'. The evidence is that the IQ points between black and white kids in the US was closed about 1/3 in a span of 50 years.

Of course, if not through education, IQ can surely be improved in other ways, I mean, how come did whites gain the average IQ they have right now again?

IQ is mostly due to good nutrition and clean environments and acces to quality education.

Blacks recent ancestors are mostly people that where not given adequate food or education, thus their IQs today are lower.

You can't mix a German Shepherd with a collie and expect to obtain a daschund
If you want a certain results, for whatever reason,you have to work through the channels and laws established by this universe
whether you care or not has nothing to do with this, and I'd say that it's as spooky to say that one ought not to be prideful as one ought to be prideful

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If you play by those rules while everyone else isn't I guess you'll win eventually. good luck.

Well for me personally, I do not want to get too much deeply involved into identity politics because how there is shitton of amount of intellectual dishonesty, and I can't honestly tolerate that. Also, I never said you shouldn't be prideful. My only point was that a pride in your own race should never be used as an excuse to attack anyone because of it, because it is stupid, and that logic applies to Jews as well, so I am technically on your side as well.

>it's as spooky to say that one ought not to be prideful as one ought to be prideful
there's something that registers as ridiculous about vicariousness - namely that other people's experiences and actions are not your own no matter how much you try to associate yourself with them

I guess the last bit about pride should've been put in a different paragraph and argument, what I was trying to get at is that any "ought" is spooked shit only cuckodls listen to
the other argument was that you have to look at things practically or pragmatically if you want results, if you like your society for whatever reason then helping that society flourish is to your advantage, if you do not, then destroying it is to your advantage
if people like what the civilized europeans achieved (of which Stirner spoke of highly mind you, claiming that caucasians were theo nly ones worth a shit in different terms) then they would by that virtue want to help it

now going back to the bit of being prideful, all I have to say to any of your calling it "stupid, crazy, etc." is "so?"

Well the Stirner was right, Europeans did throughout history invented shitton of stuff, however, I still do not understand what obligation do you have to take someone else's achievements just because you are part of that race that achieved so much? Don't tell me you are playing the same shitty game as these niggers who demand a slavery reparation just because they are black?

if you want to live in a world where the most powerful thing you can say about horrific brutality and mass murder is "I don't like that", you can go ahead and pretend that's how things are

don't expect to be met with pleasantness when you express that "stance" in front of other people, and have no illusions that anyone has any reason whatsoever - let alone a compelling reason - to join you in your "might makes right (but there is no right lol) xD" fantasy

you're a fucking retard, that's as objective as how the sky looks blue
what I said:
>the other argument was that you have to look at things practically or pragmatically if you want results
What you took it as
> you can go ahead and pretend that's how things are
if you do not have enough sense to understand what I'm saying, there's nothing else I can do for you save recommend that you perhaps suck off a loaded shotgun

no, I was responding to was
>what I was trying to get at is that any "ought" is spooked shit only cuckodls listen to
but you're an ESL mongrel who can barely comprehend English so of course you'd miss the obvious

Why arent subhumans participating then? Why at each and every opportunity they abuse all things they can? Explain.

We are trying to do what you do but cutting the fat out, because there is no point carrying worthless load.

Stay here, I see potential of you getting redpilled as they will all because you truth can not be avoided.

They don't lmao, you see what you want to see. The vast majority of the globe disagrees with you and has mountains of evidence against your ideas; it's actually you that refuses to yield to the truth because of your feelings.

Inb4 DA JOOS

When did I imply that's the most powerful thing ever you can say for whatever dumb shit you just concocted in what you think counts as a mind? I'm just saying that if you think x y or z of m b and c, who cares? if you care and want to do something about it, there's a way at getting at results, and it's only on how much you apply yourself in this way that you will arrive at a thing
to the other point, perhaps in that rotten piece of useless tissue which you would like to call your brain, you might have thought that it would be reasonable to say that I ever implied about impressing others to make them see my way which I did not, so you're now engaging in a fallacy in which you assert that which I've never said (again owing due to the fact that you're a fucking retard that can't make sense of what I'm saying)
to put it in an example, today a certain race is being demonized in massive scales never seen before on this world. To someone that rejects this demonization, he would be condemned by the world swallowing this demonizing message, to him who rejects it, to the one condemning him using the arguments by which the demonized one is being demonized, he could say, "so?"

and again and I must reiterate, what you are essentially trying to say is that the majority makes right, which is a complete non-sequitor to what I was originally saying

>in order to make sure we have a nice and stable society

top lel

excellent bait myspook'd friend

if there are no "oughts" there is no morality
meaning there are no moral criticisms
meaning the most significant thing you could say about brutality was that you didn't like it, since you are utterly unable to say that it's wrong or unjust or evil

fucking spic

good, so you at least get it
>since you are utterly unable to say that it's wrong or unjust or evil
so?

reading is hard when you're ESL
>don't expect to be met with pleasantness when you express that "stance" in front of other people, and have no illusions that anyone has any reason whatsoever - let alone a compelling reason - to join you in your "might makes right (but there is no right lol) xD" fantasy

that's a complete non-sequitor, what's it to me that others are spooked cucks?

and by spooked cucks I mean that they are trying to assert or hold that there is actually something objective or not about holding any view whatever or not
if someone doesn't like thing then they can do or say whatever they want to the one that does like thing and vice-versa
it doesn't make it right, it just is what it is

>muh spooks

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The goal is to make something worth caring about.

you asked "so?"
the answer is that you'll be treated like a sociopath (because you would be one if you honestly believed that drivel), and that you've given no one any reason to join you in your sociopathy whatsoever

since the only thing you care about is what affects you, I'd advise you to shut up about your sociopathy in public since it's empty drivel that will only (rightfully) be met with ostracism or hostility

>the answer is that you'll be treated like a sociopath (because you would be one if you honestly believed that drivel), and that you've given no one any reason to join you in your sociopathy whatsoever
so?
>since the only thing you care about is what affects you, I'd advise you to shut up about your sociopathy in public since it's empty drivel that will only (rightfully) be met with ostracism or hostility
when did I say I only cared about what affects me? If you really want to know, I only care about what I care about
is that a selfish statement? if you cannot understand what I'm saying then I can't help you further but that's what it all boils down to: I only care about what I care about.
>I'd advise you to shut up about your sociopathy in public since it's empty drivel that will only (rightfully) be met with ostracism or hostility
thank you for watching out for me, here's some advice I'd like to give you, or rather a suggestion: go look up what a non-sequitor is on wikipedia and then go look up whatever the term is for the fallacy ad populum or the mass makes right/whatever

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a conclusion that doesn't follow from the premises
the conclusion that you'll be treated like a sociopath if you espouse sociopathy is not a non sequitur

bye, spicshit

IMMEDIATE HAPPENING NEINCHAN IS BACK GOYS

i had to reset my ip cause I got banned for shitposting elsewhere
anyway
the non-sequitor bit comes up because you're bringing up a completely unrelated argument to the main topic at hand
see you later retard

>Anyone who prides themselves on what the feats their genetics were capable of in another form is a dummy dummy mcshit pants
>>lel fucktard liberterian socialism for the win
you really dont get how carbaon based life works do you?
let me give you the biology lesson they never bothered to teach your dumb ass in school.
YOU are not your consciousnesses.
Your conciosuness is going to die in relatively few years and very little of what it has done will have mattered in the long span on the universe.
The reason this depresses the average person to think about is that its natural.
Humans (and i would possit any other intelligent life that would reproduce at a level sufficient to survive) on an instinctual understand that they are in a sense immortal.
That their "life" will go on after their current manifestation passes away.
This is because they more accurately by their genes, which could continue on millenia, then they are by their conciousness, which will last about 90 years at best.
This is why old people dont scared of dying when the hit age 80.
If you knew you were GOING to die in 10 (or sooner) wouldnt you be bat shit scared every moment of your life trying to avoid this fate?
Yet if you talk to most old people, this is not how they feel.
Many of them are already ready to die at that point.
Yet if humans are merely their conciousnesses, and the "invidual" defines who they are this would seem ludicrous.
This is the case because it false.
IF a human being reproduces within their lifetime (Within their ethnic group) most of their genes will be passed on.
They will live on even after their current form deteriorates.
This is why ideas like "races" being a social cosntruct are moronic.
A race is a single organism that has survived for millennia
being reborn, mutating itself and passing on its life to the next generation.
You do realize that every cell in your body came from two living cells belonging to your parents correct?
1/2

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2/2
The only difference between them and you is the mixing of their dna and a tiny bit of mutation.
You are them as they were their parents and so on.
This is how evolution works
this is how carbon based life survives.
It is the meaning of life
the purpose of life
from which all else flows.
The replication of genetic material is so basic that even cockroaches and materia are capable of it
and if you reject this inherent meaning to life you are not more intelligent or enlightened as you may wish
but merely inferior to all said life which is capable of said feet
you are a failed genetic experiment.
a dead end of darwinism.
Unless and only unless you fullfill your biological impartive
this means not only reproducing within your race but ensouring said offspring survive long enough to reproduce
along with the offspring of other members of your race so your offspring have viable mates to pass on your genes with
this is why, in a nuttshell at least
national socialism is the only viable ideology
since it is the only one that fully accepts the conclusions of darwinism and use them to shape a world view around.

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