How do we save the West without Christianity?

It's clear that the alleged dictates of an insubstantial, silent hypothetical being are insufficient to maintain social stability in an age where information is readily available to a populace that can ask questions, and fill their lives with countless other asperations and motivations.
Churches now act as little more than daycares for good, meek little whites who pray and race mix with the multitudes of brown people that attend.
It's time to stop pretending that bronze age Hebrew fables are central and vital to the civilizations built by white Europeans, and start looking to that which is grounded in evidence-based scientific principles and humanistic philosophy that is built upon the self-evident value of justness and truth.
>inb4 i'm a kike for trashing your kike religion
>inb4 b-but its not a kike religion!!!

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Shoot yourself imbecile.

Go pray to the king of the jews, retard

The masses are always going to be retarded, they will likely not give up their Christianity.

What we need is a small secular elite to lead them by the nose the direction we want them to go.

>How do we save the west without adopting Jewish culture?
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KYS juden negro
>>inb4 i'm a kike for trashing your kike religion
>>inb4 b-but its not a kike religion!!!
yes fuck yourself

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Embrace a Godless religion with Aryan roots.

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The Church destroyed Rome, kept Europe in a barely functional dark age for a millennium, and Europe only really found its feet around the time of the Renaissance and Enlightenment (which were times in which the dictates of religion started being ignored more and more in favour of pragmatic and analytical thought)
That's what made the west. Christianity just provided sort of mood-lighting for that.

Reminder

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I assume that's the second Iraq war? You forgot Bush and Cheney.
And to the obvious jewish implication - judaism helped the jews survive, but it sure as hell didn't make them successful (in terms of a world power). That's directly the result of the fucked up fundamentalist christians in colonies of the West getting all weird about a related ancient religion. Once again, religion is the problem, not the solution.

>being that retarded
Remind us of who continued the roman tradition ? Who created all the universites ? Who sponsored scientists ? Who took care of libraries ? Mmmm.
Oh, its the church and you are a complete moron.
*see flag*
Yeah. Not a surprise.

Burn jews

I fucking hate australia
thanks for remdining you fags are a bunch of morons
>actually thinking jewish world power started with fundamentalist Christians.
the bongs should have genocided you (and them)
continent of hookers and criminals
disgusting

>Oh, its the church
How can a building do that? I'd say a more likely explanation is that it's the people, but I'm weird like that. Besides, if they were so great why burn so many books that they'll later demand thanks when they missed a few?

Theocracy or civilizational collapse.

Have the power structure necessary to enforce your views and then force people to play ball

the Renaissance is where we trace a lot of that stuff to, and a lot was safeguarded by the Islamic world for a while there (till they too fell to the fundamentalist meme and wiped it out, thankfully after Europe recovered that knowledge from them).
The Church was the cause of an awful lot of knowledge loss around and after the fall of Rome ffs.

People need to learn to adhere to red pill ideals without throwing organized religion into the mix. Organized religion has a glaring flaw in that the values of it can be subverted and then all of a sudden everyone in the religion is chanting "this is our value too now because we are of the X faith". This isn't exclusive to religion, but you can see the proof in the puding. The Christianity today isn't the Christianity of the early 20th century.

The problem with western degeneracy and decadence is that we live in a society where endorphin rewards are very short and easy to gain, so people no longer have long term thinking (the future of their nations, the world they'll leave behind for their children, etc). People need to be encouraged to avoid short term fun (whoring, drugs, heavy porn consumption, unhealthy eating) in favor of long-term thinking and reminding people they have a moral obligation to the well being of those who will come after us.

>kept Europe in a barely functional dark age for a millennium
You know this is a myth right? It was literally invented by 18th Century proto-fedora tippers like Voltaire. In reality Europe continued its advancement in almost every field about the same rate. Disasters like the Black Plague that killed almost a third of Europes population were a far bigger influence on stagnation than Christianity.

>without religion
we live in a civilisation that abandoned its religion you degenerate fuck.

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how come, after 2000 years of almost absolute monopoly on culture, Christianity brought us to this point?

Of course that your pic wouldn't mention race mixing, because christians are known race mixers for a long time now.

It was played up and simplified but it wasn't a total myth.

Quick reminder that Christianity has been in DECLINE since the end of the 1950's. It wasn't Christianity but secularism and atheism that brought us to this point. You golems for some reason tend to forget that.

By invading iran

Christianity doesn't encourage race mixing. You can't blame Christianity because your monkey ancestors bred with other niggers. Also, if Christians were such race mixers then why out of all Europeans it was the secularised french that burned the coal in africa during colonisation and iberians in Americas? While Anglos and other Germans remained pure and there were very few of them that mixed with the indigenous savages?

So let me get this straight - Christianity had 2000 years of monopoly on culture, and its legacy was completely destroyed in 50?

Wow christianity so strong, so based, completely deconstructed in 5 decades by a bunch of unfuckable atheist neckbeards.

Ahahaha, yeah, because people who colonized America totally weren't christians, you absolute mongoloid.

The problem with the Christcuck is they think a hodge-podge of neckbeards is what is causing the rise of degeneracy in the west. Neckbeards and enlightened redditors are just a symptom of something much larger.

kek
christcucks are kekistani-tier retarded

>its legacy was completely destroyed
Do you know what "completely destroyed" means? Cause Christianity is far from that. Christianity is still here isn't it? It's still the largest faith in the world. Christian ideas have been abandoned by atheists for humanism and secularism and we see what Europe looks like after abandoning its faith. You can shill all you want kike but your shitty israel will be a nigger nation soon, ashkenazim love breeding with low iq mongrel subhumans.

60% of our nation is Christian, we still have a state religion (which allows gay vicars, BASED), and the head of state is head of that religion. Tou say we "abandoned" our religion is just ignorance. If you look at the way we are now we're more Christian than we've ever been. This is the flaw of christianity, not a flaw in us.

LMFAO, you don't bro. Whites are finished.

You really think anyone is going to die for Jesus let alone Thor? hell, you think Whites are going to die for eachother even?

t. Never read the New Testament

>symptom of something much larger.

Yeah, we killed God and thus basically killed ourselves. Ain't nobody dying for nothing anymore.

Do you really think, unironically, that Whites even want to deal with racism let alone die for it?

Which is it? Is Christianity still in control and responsible for the current situation, or is it so weak that a bunch of Reddit neckbeards can undo 2000 years of legacy?

Hey Billy, i know we're both Atheists but let's go probably die fighting a pack of niggers for uh... Stacy's mom, that whore. Dude, Whites all hate eachother for the most part even among those of the same ethnic group. There's little to nothing TO protect. You're no different than Jews, only better looking and usually you're not parasitic.

>60% of our nation is Christian
Stop regurgitating the same bullshit over again. People identify as "Christian" because they think it's the same as calling themselves "British". They don't practice Christianity, church attendance is at all time low.
Faith survey 2016 - UK Church membership has declined from 10.6 million in 1930 to 5.5 Million in 2010, or as a percentage of the population; from about 30% to 11.2%.
By 2013, this had declined further to 5.4 million (10.3%). If current trends continue, membership will fall to 8.4% of the population by 2025.2
In England, membership is forecast to decline to 2.53 million (4.3% of the population) by 2025.
Over the period 2005-2010, the major Christian denominations such as Anglican, Catholic and Presbyterian all saw falls in membership. Orthodox, Pentecostal and other new churches (Evangelical and Charismatic) on the other hand, saw an increase in membership.
So stop with your bullshit. "we're more Christian than we've ever been" more lies from a filthy anti-christ mouth. We're the furthest we've ever been and you know it. Atheism and your larpagan retards are the most useful golems, even zionist pseudo-christians in USA aren't as useful to the jew as you retards are.

SEETHING

It's everyone out for their own fucking selves, they'll vote to keep non-Whites out but that's about it, if the moment of truth ever comes (it won't) they'll expect you to die while they're at home fucking your wife.

Nobody believes in anything anymore.

Your jewish tactics won't work faggot. Christianity is still around, but it has been subverted and abandoned by the people.
>reddit neckbeards
Another jewish tactic; mockery. One of the tactics that helped ridicule and push people away from Christianity. The jew has been undermining Christianity for decades now, it has been a long and relentless assault that has been supported by entire national governments. You're but a golem, further discussion with you is but a waste of time. Your time is coming.

Saying you're Christian because that's what's expected of you and actually unironically being an ISIS-tier Crusader Christian are two very different things.

Even if God wasn't real I still believe in Catholicism

Exactly, individualism and capitalism have undermined Christian communities, greed and selfishness have become common traits in modern society. Nothing matters anymore, as long as you're having "fun" it's okay.

It's the elites fucking everyone else over, only low tier low IQ Whites are dumb enough to give a shit about things like nations, that shit has no philosophical basis you plebs. It's touchy feely nonsense.

Not enough to die for it.

Eh, Christianity is apparently just bullshit bro. We're just animals, apparently.

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drawfags pls respond

would you have your daughter marry a faithful nigger or a white atheist?

Did Jesus say to go to a building every week? No.
Did Jesus say to love everyone and always forgive, always pray for your enemies rather than fight them, and care for the downtrodden? Yes. This is why we're more Christian now than ever. Think about the response to the grooming gangs, rather than stop them the authorities forgave them every single time, which is the Christian thing to do.
So while church attendance might be down the MORALS of the society are more Christian than ever, and this is the flaw of Christianity not us.

People have ALWAYS been like this.
>We're just animals, apparently.
We are. It's when you understand that that we can actually think about turning things around. The current elite have the same "we're so special" view that Christians have (though Jews are the most special, remember), meaning that things like group-preference can be overturned by policy because humans are just that smart and specially special. If you accept that nature is incarnate in us and we're no better than any other animal with its own instincts you stop falling for utopian nonsense like "there is no Jew or Greek."

LMFAO, if that's the case i don't give a fuck since clearly the game is rigged and the Elites who own all the WMDs will just eventually genocide 99.99% of people, at least that's what i would do.

Dude, why even give a fuck if we're just animals and death is the end and everything you build eventually dies anyway?

>People have ALWAYS been like this.

Wrong, people used to believe in things unironically enough to die for them. Now only the low IQ and brainwashed still do.

>want to save christian creation without christianity
>"d-dont mistake christianity for w-white ethics"
ebin, truly, truly ebin

LMFAO, god luck getting anyone with three brain cells to die for Paganism.

You really overestimate how much Whites give a shit about other Whites even their own family members.

>ebil Church destroyed history
>BASED MUSLIM BULLS gave us their history 1000's of years ago
sure think chang.
The Islamic golden age was based on conquest and the connections established between such a large empire. It allowed scientists from egypt, India and persia to communicate.

nations. So people belong to a people. So you makr your white daughter marry a white guy and then we'll make sure their kids are Christian. If the man wants to lose his soul that's his choice, but his kids shouldn't. I don't care about niggers and they don't care about us.

Even the high T Whites that come from military families/warrior stock would prefer to avoid violence or use WMDs (you don't have any BTW, only the Elites do) or drones or what have you.

Nobody wants to fucking die, LMFAO. Death is the end, that's the underlying assumption everyone has nowadays.

You really need some seriously religious low IQ skinheads to do your dirty work for you, a lot of them. And that's never going to happen, only the high IQ Whites could ever start RAHOWA and they simply aren't interested.

>I don't care about niggers and they don't care about us.
imagine being this naive.
This is why Christianity is such a mind virus. Any sort of realpolitik or machiavelian schemes are inb4d, and you're left with a soft person, or a terribly conflicted but highly capable individual. Either way, it's a handicap.

>hey guys I dont know the answer so lets discuss how the answer is not Christ
>how could I possibly glow harder?
Thanks for the daily reminder shills jannies kikes and glow niggers hate our lord. Also sage

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>since clearly the game is rigged and the Elites who own all the WMDs will just eventually genocide 99.99% of people, at least that's what i would do.
They probably will, to be honest. Look at all the apocalypse bunkers they have. Whether by design or by outcome of their actions their manipulation of the world and the consumerism that resulted and the using of so many resources means the deaths of billions is assured. But this is what happens if you believe in Judeo-Christian utopianism and that the world is subservient to Man, and just another resource to be plundered. If Jesus is the first communist, then the God of Genesis is the first capitalist.
>people used to believe in things unironically enough to die for them
Because they had no access to information that shows those things to be obviously false. What's more believable: the same process that changes breeds of dogs occurred over a far larger time (many hundreds-of-thousands of years), or we just poofed into existence one day and came from one pairing without inbreeding, then did it AGAIN after the flood, without succumbing to debilitating genetic defects this would bring about?

LMAO, you're dumb as fuck. Nations are made up, smart Whites get along with eachother and with smart non-Whites, and they all look down on you for the dumb dangerous cattle that you are.

The real racism other than IQ is looks/sexual attractivness. Nobody gives a fuck anymore about "nations" LMFAO, that shit has all been proven to be nonsense more or less. God is dead, apparently.

So is the family and frankly the idea that anything's "sacred".

Because we've given in to Christian utopianism and "one race the human race" thinking. Why care that your ethnic group is being replaced if there's no such thing as ethnic groups at all?

Polytheism of course. It was there before and it will be there after

LMFAO, good luck with your Paganism bro. Good luck even convincing your own self to die in battle for it, we both know you will avoid violence for as long as possible and will only use it in self defense or opportunistically since you only believe in survival and self interest because your Paganism is basically just Atheism. That is of course assuming you don't have some sort of suicidal cuck fetish, i mean once you get rid of God everything goes and it all becomes about "having fun", pretty much.

>some more anti Christian shit

Look, the White race is doomed. Just admit it, do you agree yes or no? i actually want to know. And you already said it, the elites have all those bunkers they're probably have some sort of mass-depopulation plan already in the works. We're fucked.

Who the fuck cares about ethnic groups? LMAO, i don't give a shit. I'm not dying for anything, i have two brain cells to put together. If death is the end? pfft, i do not give A SHIT dude.

And that's most Whites too, hell, that's probably you despite anything you might say. What do you think happens after death?

what do you think of Islam? In the Quran it says something like: "I know you don't like to fight, but you have to fight, because it's good for you."

You didn't really read what I said huh?
Going uber-religious, whether christianity, or Islam, or whatever, tends to be bad for science and critical thought. Islam had a (relatively) liberal period - science did well there in that period. About the time that faded, European Christianity had a (relatively) liberal period.

Men in WW2 died for "the British Empire." If men can bring themselves to die for a global marketplace, they can bring themselves to die for anything.
>Who the fuck cares about ethnic groups?
I do. I could only exist if there was those before me, and the future could only say the same. Racial identity is the primary identity out of which culture comes. Shakespeare and Wagner could only have existed if there was their ethnic group to bring them up from.

Islam is retarded.

why?

You're dumb as fuck, all those Brits died for Jesus AND Britain, they weren't fucking Atheists. And look, the game is rigged the elites already won because they have all the WMDs (not nukes, viruses and shit). Nothing we do at our level is of any significance, we might as well unironically just party like it's 1999 until we die.

I'm serious, only Jesus could save us. He's the only one that would give a fuck about us obsolete biological machines i mean, "the little people".

You have a very unwarranted sense of importance if you think being White means fuck all to the people that rule over you. You're just low IQ trash to them, they are not interested in your racist low IQ NPC project. They are probably planning to get life extension (transhumanism) depopulating the Earth with WMDs and creating the AI/Singularity or some shit eventually, or fucking off to some other planet. I dunno.

You know what? i'm assuming the Earth isn't flat, dunno why. It might be.

Well, apart from all the low IQ sandniggers that follow it i don't buy a word of it AND apparently the prophet doesn't perform any miracles, so even if every word in the Koran is legit the guy was still just a warlord that won all his battles and said he saw some shit that can't be corroborated.

`>king of the jews
Isn't this what was written on a tablet to mock Christ?
>I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee
>Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
>Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Tick tock.

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>apparently the prophet doesn't perform any miracles, so even if every word in the Koran is legit the guy was still just a warlord that won all his battles and said he saw some shit that can't be corroborated.
oh the ironing

>i'm assuming the Earth isn't flat, dunno why. It might be.
Thanks for confirming that you're retarded.

this.

the real redpill is christianity increases the IQ of populations.

why do you think the igbo tribe who run the whole of nigeria have an IQ of 100? they have been fiercly christian for 200 years.

christianity is eugenic. following biblical tenets for reproduction is eugenic.

>the real redpill is christianity increases the IQ of populations.
Explain Ireland.

you're probably right
BUT I WON'T LET YOU INSULT MY KING OF THE JEWS

how is being highly capable yet conflicted terrible? You must adore the mind of the negro, insofar he has it. They are unconflicted their entire life, incapable of seeing conflict above and beyond women and food. You preach some sort of nigger behaviour as if that's ever helped humanity.
Conflict is a sign of intelligence and it's what we need. Conflicted individuals are able to make harsher decisions if necessary than those who are not conflicted.
>Uruguay
I can only assume a mongrel actually and unironically speaks of "whites". We euros only use it to refer to all euros or to ourselves, but it's never an actual group we'd adhere to. we have our own ethnicities.
The idea that smart gets along with smart is not working out and it's dying.
The joke is, that we euros only band together against non-whites, or rather non-euros. We hate eachother the rest of the time.
Nations are fundamental you fucking nigger
The Bible says there will be nations even in the end times. There will be white euro ethnic groups even in those days, not those disgusting mutt countries like Uruguay

I believe in fucking nothing, blind faith? yeah no thanks.

Yeah yeah yeah, but prove it isn't. Good luck with that, you low IQ NPC. It's your kind i'm the most worried about, you're dumb enough to care and even die for this retarded Nazi shit.

What? i never said that shit faggot.

And 100 IQ is retard tier, 99.99% of people have to go me included. You dumb ass Nazi NPCs are fucking plebs. The elites own ALL the WMDs, they already won. Anything that happens at our level of the pyramid is probably pre-planned, i assume ALL White nationalist movements are controlled opposition.

You're sitting here talking shit about some Arabs cause you look less-like-shit and you're 10-15 IQ points smarter LMFAO. You literal mongoloid subhumans.

You dumb retards.

You can't see the bigger picture.

>prove it isn't
You just keep giving me more confirmation that you're retarded lol

>we euros only band together against non-whites, or rather non-euros

IN THE PAST, you ain't going to die for ANYTHING. Stop LARPing, you're prolly a fucking Atheist.

>Nations are fundamental you fucking nigger

For fucking what? LMFAO.

>The Bible says

AHAHAHAHA. Okay.

>There will be white euro ethnic groups even in those days, not those disgusting mutt countries like Uruguay

My bad, forgive me for not being White. Eh? you retarded NPC.

Shut he fuck up and prove the Earth isn't flat, social shaming doesn't work with guys that aren't complete retards such as myself.

i read the first sentence and yes 100 iq is fantastic in africa. why do you think nigeria is doing so well?

>prove a negative
You don't have to keep telling me you're retarded. I know.
>And 100 IQ is retard tier, 99.99% of people have to go me included.
>me included
Go ahead buddy, kill yourself.

How do you eat without a fork? How do you shit without a toilet? How do you fix a car without a YouTube tutorial?

>why do you think the igbo tribe who run the whole of nigeria have an IQ of 100?

They don't.

>they have been fiercly christian for 200 years.

They haven't.

>christianity is eugenic. following biblical tenets for reproduction is eugenic.

Only from the perspective of the Jews.

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Embrace Enki. Enki loves you. Enlil of the wrathful, vengeful God who commands you to cut the tip of your dick off, enslave purple and tried killing us in the Deluge.

Jesus and Yahweh were Enki and Enlil respectively. Read about Marcion of Sinope for more info, he existed between the crucifixion of Jesus and the Council of Nicaea and concluded the gods referred to were two separate entities.

>How do we save the West without Christianity?

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>How do we save the West withou
Simple :
Remove womens ( unearned anyway ) rights.

Women cannot be cristians.

100 IQ is retard tier, anything below 120 is. And yes, i'm retarded. I never said Christianity makes you smarter BTW, LMAO.

But we're fucked unless Jesus saves us, i've thought about it.

>You don't have to keep telling me you're retarded. I know.

HURR DURR THE EARTH ISN'T FLAT BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD IT ISN'T

This is why you're a fucking Nazi to begin with.

>Go ahead buddy, kill yourself.

I don't want to fucking die, LMAO.

And it has to be unironic Christianity too, not Churchianity. It has to be enough to get most White men to give their all and be willing to sacrifice everything in the hope that MAYBE they can win against the elites, cause it's not just Jews it's White traitors at the top and they own all the WMDs.

Nevermind the billions of muds, you can't genocide them all if you don't have WMDs now can ya?

LMFAO, Whites think they will be ALLOWED (key word, since you have no balls and most importantly, no unironic religion anymore) can just exclude not only White-presenting Non-Whites like myself BUT ALSO (LMFAO) "Whites" that have brown hair and eyes or shitskin or hooked noses or curly hair or what have you.

Seriously, talk is cheap and death is VERY scary. LARP all you want.

>And it has to be unironic Christianity
This, though it might take some cataclysmic event to get the masses on board again. People are so mesmerized with the degenerate consumer culture.

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>Everyone poor
>Everyone powerless
>Don't even try it you heretic
>Church was scientist yo, thank us
Yeah, no.

*Israel

Fear is a feeling from the devil.
Fear is him knowing he fucked up and can't take it back and heading to Hell and there is nothing he can do to stop it and all he has joy in is getting what God loves the most "us" to follow him into a Hell not ment for us.I've been here forever not because I can't leave but because I don't wanna leave without all of you even if some are too stubborn to understand free gift of eternal life.
Fears Are Nothing More Than a State of Mind,THE DEVIL'S STATE OF MIND.
Don't let him fool you YES IT IS 100% FREE TO ANYONE.
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