Have to admit, left-wing political discussions are more cerebral and sensible...

Have to admit, left-wing political discussions are more cerebral and sensible. Right-wing politics seem to frame issues in the concept of "political others", "invading parties", "racial outsiders", and shit that's for teenagers. Meanwhile every left-winger over the age of 24 I talk to just says politics are best framed as a series of class conflicts a majority of the time. Considering the complex machinations that go into fiscal happenings over the ease of saying "IT'S DA JEWZ AND NEGROES SIR", my first instinct is to always analyze things from the left-wing perspective.

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Framing issues as class struggle is in no way different from framing issues as racial struggle. Both are instances of blaming something on a political other.

Left wing conversations are circular exercises of cognitive dissonance and intellectual dishonesty.

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Except that classes actually have a real and materialist basis and racial category depend on 18th century pseudo-science.

Racial struggle is just the way some people are born to most. Like if you're against those with brown skin, that flies in the face of the genome model we've been using to trace how people act since the early 70's. Meanwhile class struggle isn't just about how people are born, it's how they use their position in a system to oppress/liberate workers from actual time sinks and conditional hardships.

How so? Because I could say right wing conversations are the same thing. They claim religious superiority yet are often blatantly against humanitarian values. (For example, hating communism so much you install death squads in South America that rape children)

This is what I'm getting at. Thanks user for backing me up.

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it's because tribalism, racial warfare fantasies/ race mysticism are all abstract ideas and material conditions are tangible reality

All leftists do is cry about Trump, white people, evil right wingers, Hitler, Nazis, straight people, males, sexists etc.
Fuck off, shill.

Even ancap rants are more coherent than leftist pseudo-communism.

we know you're a lefty shill
your arguments are frankly so far outside of all reality as to be exhausting to debate

isnt there a white guy somewhere accidentally committing a microaggression for you to publicly shame back into submission somewhere? shouldnt you get on that? its the most pressing issue.

while you are at it, the government doesnt regulate speech enough, shouldnt you be protesting in favour of censorship somewhere?

Ancaps still haven't figured out a way to show how property rights exist in the absence of a state monopoly on violence. They are the drooling and crayon-eating retards of political ideologies.

>the left loves science
>more then two genders
pick one

its easy, just bribe the local warlord and pay your monthly dues to a protection racket

/thread

Both are valid, only faggots are concerned with adopting a left or right stance

I know! It's frustrating watching people disengage with reality and then claim it influences their worldview most. It's like a baby with a binkie who never mentally matured properly because they weren't bullied enough, hugged enough, or some combination of the two.

That's weird the original post is pretty consistent with most literature from the last century. Leftists want to liberate the worker from oppressive conditions so they own the means of the labor they produce. What's wrong? Are you so fragile you need people denied bathroom breaks at their jobs or something?

So you've nothing to say on the topic of class conflict? Because you sound pretty concerned about white people's rights and censorship, but you've said nothing at all about the worker's relationship to the rich.

There are two sexes. Genders are infinite. Sex is the scientific one, you disingenuous goof-ass.

Yeah, that's the point: even they're somehow over the bar set by "progressive" politics

Both sides can say whatever they want. At the end of the day they're both bad for the people

so much this

>its easy, just bribe the local warlord and pay your monthly dues to a protection racket

And what's the difference to paying taxes to the state that protects your property rights?

there are men and women, thats real. everything else is made up and has no basis in biology or science.

meanwhile what is communism? power to the people right? only it isn't. its more power to the government, thats all it is.

Right wingers have a special bias (racial/ethnic) while left wingers have a time bias ("get with the times"/"its 2019"). Both are two sides of the same coin, and offer nothing to abstract developmental thinking.

*spacial

theres no difference, im just saying we get the same kinda shit either way so whats even the point in going ancap if you still have to pay protection money to someone. i guess at least the state is generally more stable then trusting in warlords and crime bosses so thats a plus for governments.

That's weird because communism as defined by Marx and Engels is the workers owning the means of production so their labor isn't exploited by a leisure class. The workers run the government. Ultimately it's power to the workers by way of a worker government. Did you intentionally simplify that point or are you not well read?

Weird, left wing ideas seem pretty marx-centric economically and Christ centric socially (universal humanitarianism and distrust of the powerful). Your idea of a time bias seems influenced by personal experience with people saying those things on Twitter more so than academic precedents.

Most of those right-wings are edgy 14 year olds trying to be as shocking as possible because they think its funny. 14 year old left-wingers on the other hand take everything too seriously and get un-ironically triggered by everything politically incorrect.
I'm technically a right-winger since I'm an ancap, but I'm not actually racist. I just say some racist shit here sometimes because I think its funny.

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the nu-left is racist as fuck where have you been

If you can't discriminate black and white, then you certantly can't discriminate between a human failure and a machine failure.

Leftism has to use a lot of words to get you to think in their frame of mind. That's why everything in leftist doctrine is brought about by taking a basic, common sense issue, and saying "its complicated" and going into a 7 paragraph nuanced word-magic essay that deconstructs basic human instinct and common sense. This is all subversion to get you into the frame of mind the purveyor of these thoughts would like you to be in, and the only frame of mind that would have you accept their ideas. Aurelius had thoughts on the subject, basically saying language should be simple, because the truth is often times very simplistic. The use of a lot of words is almost always used for deception purposes, when you realize that you understand leftist arguments.

Any leftist argument: feelings, wishes, desires.

Any conservative argument: action, articulate planning and implementation.

That's the main difference. Liberals live in a fantasy world and desire to transform the real world to said fantasy. Conservatives see the world as it is and desire to maintain the functional, and disband the wasteful/spendthrifty nonsense.

Your only responses (if any) to anyone ITT will be appeals to emotion and personal attacks.

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>Both are two sides of the same coin

Not really. Being a right-winger is about fundamentally misunderstanding how our politico-economical system operates and then trying to ascribe its events to some sort of mystic, immutable force/boogeyman.

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Go back to Rebbit.

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You just described the virtue of anti-intellectualism in so many words and I hope you feel sad the next time you eat breakfast. Only a misguided nunce would equate parsimony with validity.

we vote
we decide who runs things
we have a democratic government

and yet, if we give that democratic government too much power they will fuck us over either through corruption or cruelty or incompetence. the government can not be trusted, not even a government selected by the people.

in venezeuala the government decided food was too expensive, so they lowered the price below what it costs to produce the food. farmers went out of business. and people starved to death. thats how communism works

conservative are idealists, not materialists, therefore they will never see the world as it is

It takes a lot of words and pats on the back to live a lie.

The truth is that there is no secret Jewish-masonic cabal of evil lizardmen that seek to subdue the world with their cultural Marxist gayhomo libero-globalist conspiracy. The truth us is way more banal than that. We are living in a system where powerful capitalist oligarchies are just following their own internal logic in acting in their own economical self-interest. Nothing more and nothing less. There are no monolithic satanic cults or evil cartoon villains. Liberal feminism? Just a way to expand the work force for employers. Mass immigration? Just a corporate instrument to depress wages and weaken the cohesion of the local working class. Gay symbols in advertisement and identity politics? Dude, it's just marketing. Companies only care about selling products to you, and not stupid issues like those when Hitler was in power they put Swastikas on shit. Politics within the framework of republican democracy is just a puppet theater to keep proles like you occupied and caught up with irrelevant non-issues and identity politics instead of realizing your own economical and class interests. Conservatives and liberals are just the right and left hand of the same capitalist oligarchy that is ruling over you. You have to recognize that as someone who has to sell his labor power your class interests are diametrically opposed to those of the financial aristocracy that are ruling over you as long as this system still exists. Hysterical conspiracy theories are comforting lies and excuses for people who are either unable or unwilling to recognize this basic reality of the political and economical system you and I were born in, more often than not disseminated and groomed by the very own financial elite that is ruling over us with the purpose to disperse and instrumentalize your rage and your revolutionary potential that would otherwise and threaten to overthrow them.

>left-wing political discussions are more cerebral and sensible
You're mistaking pseudo-intellectuals and pilpul with economist and logic. It's ok, it happens, it just means you're prime for being herded :^).

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The truth is very simple. Keep eating from that tree of knowledge, any day now the wisdom of man will eclipse the wisdom of God, which is the natural state.

And yet they’ve planned and executed a near complete takeover of Western culture, media and academia, while you fap to loli porn and shitpost in this hellhole. Where’s all that organization and implementation you faggots larp about? I’d love to see it.

>idealists

No, realists.

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>while you fap to loli porn and shitpost in this hellhole.

{{{projection post, Freudian slip}}}

Omfg, you do realize Marx uses abstraction throughout every page of das Kapital??? In simple terms, Ideals are abstractions, Fucking idiot.

Alright, i will fall for the bait this time. The human genome project has actually demonstrated a lot of 19th century racial science is correct. A five race model of mankind optimally clusters according to the classical races. Intelligence is 80% or more inherited, we can see which SNPs cause higher intelligence, and with the 1000genomes study which populations have these SNPs and in what proportion.
It is more rigorous than most biological theories and definitely soft science bullshit like queer marxist theory.

The majority of lefties are fucking retards. They refuse to accept evolutionary psychology and biology as possible explanation for human behaviors and differences among groups and attribute every issue to environmental factors. You even mention the mother of all leftist environmental arguments in your post with “class conflict”. It’s retarded meme to cope with reality.

My problem with the right is that they are afraid to go all the way when they get into power, allow leftists to control the Overton window and frame all arguments, and the average ones are too retarded to defend their own positions most of the time.

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nationalism is fundamentally ideological and little more than romanticism

i think nature might actually be satan
the natural state is one of everything eating everything else, survival of the fittest, disease, etc. every generation we come closer to nature and further from the bodies god gave us. even the animals have degenerated through generations to better suit "the natural world"

but thats just a random theory, i have a lot of those. could be completely wrong easily

>There are two sexes. Genders are infinite. Sex is the scientific one, you disingenuous goof-ass.
>Commie thinks there is only two sexes
I knew you commies were bigots.

Well said, and perfectly demonstrated here

in this theory the process of natural selection is actually a degeneration from the original perfect form to one that better suits this imperfect satan world

Racial identity is a better indicator of class than some concept of class which is easily manipulated by guiding public opinion.

It's the jewish bourgeois alongside their white liberal dogs that want to destroy any form of nationalism, naturalism and national unity just to make wave for cheap foreign labor in order to maintain their consumerist control via banking, media, entertainment etc.
Ethnic socialism is the solution. The white working class needs to rise up. Non whites should fight to liberate their own countries from other corrupt bourgies rather than flee to white countries.
Faggotry and trannies have no place in socialism, their fetishes and mental illness are promoted by capitalists and will destroy worker movements.
I know some of pol is still libertarian-capitalist , and those people don't get that nationalism and capitalism are incompatible. I'm no AnCom or a modern marxist, but socialism as a whole is compatible with ethno nationalism. This is the best solution right now. Healthcare, education, enviroment, worker rights can be compatible with nationalists. Boomer capitalists , lolberts and civ nats have corrupted nationalism.

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Unless you live in Communist societies like China ans Vietnam that are 99.99% homogeneous and violently stamp out dissenting opinions and actions. The epitome of the "evil conservatives" you and your kin babble on and on about. There will never be "Earthicans", one dominant breed of humanity will ensnare the planet and exterminate the lower peoples. Just human nature.

>any form of nationalism

Have you ever been to Israel? It's America on steroids, pertaining to Nationalism.

A proper analysis of class politics requires an analysis of Jewish identity politics.

>Marx centric and Christ centric
bad troll

If you see a problem you intuitively know the answer and have to be convinced otherwise. If you see an action of another, you intuitively know if it is right or wrong and have to be convinced otherwise. In your daily life, if you listen to your heart/consciousness/God you know whether what you're doing is right or wrong but can convince yourself otherwise. This convincing is what is of Satan and is directly related to the passage of the tree of knowledge, trusting the wisdom of men over the wisdom of God. All of politics is the convincing of peoples through the wisdom of men but modern leftism takes it further, deconstructing everything, of which they are proud of.

Fuck off Jew nigger
Sage

>left-wing political discussions are more cerebral and sensible.
>by retarded people ruled by emotion

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Israel is allowed to be nationalist, you are not.
Even mentioning that America was founded as a white nation will get you into shit , despite the 1st amendment. You will be deplatformed by private companies that seek to privatize the internet, and fired for your political beliefs by your boss. America is Israel's dog, republican or democrat.

>Institutions that teach people fail to match the value of intuition
Welp, it's over boys. The earth is the center of the universe and all medicine has to deal with the appropriation of the body's various humors. Pack up, this guy's nuts can pick up satellite messages from the Almighty.

If Jews are clustering with whites according to your 5 race model, than what's your problem with them?

Literally feelz > realz lmao

I've never had an argument with a lefty that hasn't devolved into
> well I feel like..
> ..it's my personal truth
> you're just a
Every fucking time.

You just said Jews want to stamp out any form of Nationalism, when they're the most nationalistic people on the planet.

>bourgeois

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he means for anyone but themselves, obviously

i guess. but i have been wrong about things i intuitively knew before. people intuition can be wrong because we are not as well tuned to god and truth as maybe we once were. these fallen bodies with their atrophied glands cant commune on the level of truth so much. some things we have to figure out on our own. trusting in instincts often becomes trusting in herd mentality because once people gather together the instincts change. im not saying you're wrong but i dont think we should toss out all language and thinking and stuff. do you want us as animals merely going with our gut every time and never thinking anything through.

Alright, let's make this a first then.
The workers are being exploited by the leisure class. Thus the leisure class should be abolished carefully over time so that the workers own the means of production and are rewarded at as close to a 1:1 ratio for their output. This will make society a better place. A place where a worker's value is in what they produce, not who they control.

Yup

Well left thinking is defiantly cerebral but also emotional. Just not practical or sensible. Ivory towers, do not relate to reality.

I remember the days when I was a Libertarian Socialist and thought garbage like this was correct.

>left wing ideas seem pretty marx-centric economically and Christ centric socially (universal humanitarianism and distrust of the powerful)

Except Marxist ideas are inherently anti-Christian, since Marxism inevitably resorts to using force (and thereby depriving free will) to enforce its social norms.

>muh class conflict
Then why do every fucking rich person in the west agree with the left?

Conservatives are Leftists. They are conserving the Leftism of 20-30 years ago.

Political discussions are garbage, may it be left or right

Why say one thing when you mean another? Critical thinking isn't the forte of this board.

fpbp

20-30 years ago nearly 100% of America voted for a Republican, Ronald Reagan.

>Laughs in Koch Brothers and Wall Street
I'll admit I want American Christianity (the equation of money with moral value) to die in a hole, but Christ of Nazareth was a fine person. It's that ability for people to exploit the hierarchies mass religion requires in praxis that made Marx so goddamn distrustful of its ability to function alongside a more Utopian structure than capitalism.

>Leftists want to liberate the worker from oppressive conditions so they own the means of the labor they produce
Are you saying that leftists want to go against the globalist-jewish-multinational corporations that control the media, lobby the government and control the intelligence agencies?

Great. Go for it lefties. You have my support.

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>political others
>class conflict
Nigger your entire framing is of “political others”

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Economy doesn't just depend on production, but also on consumption. A worker is also a member of the leisure class, when not working.

That's a big word salad to justify your commie agenda.
Its been proven time and time again that behind every liberal activism is Jewish influence. The Jewish agenda is to devolve all non Jews into cattle for their own pleasure. You can see this with the weimar republic and how America is turning into weimar 2.0

You’re mistaking bs sophistry and mental gymnastics for substance and causal links.

Actually it isn't. Right wing ideology always boils down to emotional appeal.

This is why fear mongering is so prevalent in right wing propaganda. It's always about:
-muh culture
-muh traditions (appeal to tradition fallacy)
-muh purity (literally an emotional argument)
-muh religion (not logic or science)

In fact, there is research that shows right wing mentality is linked to increased activity in the amygdala which governs emotion and survival instinct.

Whom was nothing more than a corporate spokesmen, handed out an illegal immigrant amnesty that turned California blue, Republican and Democrat are the same in their end goal.

You dont know how to determine "realz" which is why there is such a divide on what "realz" even are. There are no reals that are accepted as absolute truths because the wisdom of man cannot find absolute truth.

Tell that to the neighborhoods taken over by muslims and the girls being raped by immigrants hanz....wake up!

>Have to admit, left-wing political discussions are more cerebral and sensible.

appeal to authority, character assassination, appeal to emotions, blatant censorship, willful ignorance.. yeah I do not really have to admit shit

>Right-wing politics seem to frame issues in the concept of "political others", "invading parties", "racial outsiders", and shit that's for teenagers

why this is for teenagers, being invaded by foreign parties propped up by a fifth column is no joking matter, it's an existential crisis

>Meanwhile every left-winger over the age of 24 I talk to just says politics are best framed as a series of class conflicts a majority of the time.

that's bullshit and you know it, left wingers pay homage to the class war coined by Marks but their new vocabulary is far more diverse, they love to divide society along fault lines based along oppressors/oppressed - they are the first to tell you they want (sex/sexual orientation/ethnicity) person to do a job with no mention if that person have the qualities to do so

>Considering the complex machinations that go into fiscal happenings over the ease of saying "IT'S DA JEWZ AND NEGROES SIR", my first instinct is to always analyze things from the left-wing perspective.

if you analyze things even for a while you'd be unable to side step the fact it's very often teh jews, however you "analyze" them by left-wing perspective IE you work to dismantle the power groups of today to as the useful idiot you are to give the world to the globalists(yes the jews)

>Where’s all that organization and implementation
If I had a cabal of central bankers backing me, I could do it!

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>Believing it's exclusively Jewish people suppressing the working class
Oh my when is your high school graduation my dude I'll bring an ice cream cake and some books.
>You can work AND be in the leisure class
Somebody didn't do the reading! Once you've entered the leisure class you don't ever NEED to work again. This is pretty well defined by a series of Russian/German novelists from the 1880's-1960's.

Are you retarded? Money can be moved between people. You can’t change someone’s genome and their development in space/time. The biology is a lot more meaningful than some currency one holds at a moment.

this
the left hasnt been left in a long time
they are just clown world authoritarians now

there is no left
if there is a left, we are it

Your intuition and connection to God, and absolute truth, can be clouded by ignoring it for too long. Developing spiritually allows for the restrengthening of this connection, which is why spiritual development will always lead to more peace than the pursuit of the knowledge of man. Again, if you feel your intution of right and wrong is off, you have allowed for the deceptive nature of Satan to take hold of your thoughts and the arguments of man to permeate your consciousness.

>It's that ability for people to exploit the hierarchies mass religion requires in praxis that made Marx so goddamn distrustful of its ability to function alongside a more Utopian structure than capitalism.

That's because hierarchies are based upon the natural world and are not entirely social constructs. The Marxist ideal of Equality is a lie. It is based upon a flawed assumption of the universe.

>How you were born has more weight on my freedom than actions you can actively take to change things.
Jow Forums, ladies and gentleman.

You ARE retarded. Genes are what make you not from another group of people. Money is the virtual concept with material tokens. The biology never changes. You can’t take it away. It is material you retard.

Every left wing political conversation ive ever had had clear indication that the left wing relies entirely on social pressure to influence its followers, essentially people quoting tumblr memes into their 40a instead of any nuanced discussion of any issue. Right wing conversations base themselves in religious morality but left wing conversations literally almost always devolving into regurgitating talk show host quips within 3 sentences of beginning.

>consistently avoids points that go against his world view
>im so much smarter and above all of this
kys you commie piece of fucking shit

Yes because most left wing political don't boil down to 'orange man bad.' or, 'Republicans r racist.' nice try Zionist number 427