Have to admit, left-wing political discussions are more cerebral and sensible

Levi Rivera
Levi Rivera

Have to admit, left-wing political discussions are more cerebral and sensible. Right-wing politics seem to frame issues in the concept of "political others", "invading parties", "racial outsiders", and shit that's for teenagers. Meanwhile every left-winger over the age of 24 I talk to just says politics are best framed as a series of class conflicts a majority of the time. Considering the complex machinations that go into fiscal happenings over the ease of saying "IT'S DA JEWZ AND NEGROES SIR", my first instinct is to always analyze things from the left-wing perspective.

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Henry Collins
Henry Collins

Framing issues as class struggle is in no way different from framing issues as racial struggle. Both are instances of blaming something on a political other.

Michael Allen
Michael Allen

Left wing conversations are circular exercises of cognitive dissonance and intellectual dishonesty.

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Joshua Cruz
Joshua Cruz

Except that classes actually have a real and materialist basis and racial category depend on 18th century pseudo-science.

Angel Reed
Angel Reed

Racial struggle is just the way some people are born to most. Like if you're against those with brown skin, that flies in the face of the genome model we've been using to trace how people act since the early 70's. Meanwhile class struggle isn't just about how people are born, it's how they use their position in a system to oppress/liberate workers from actual time sinks and conditional hardships.

How so? Because I could say right wing conversations are the same thing. They claim religious superiority yet are often blatantly against humanitarian values. (For example, hating communism so much you install death squads in South America that rape children)

This is what I'm getting at. Thanks user for backing me up.

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Landon Lewis
Landon Lewis

it's because tribalism, racial warfare fantasies/ race mysticism are all abstract ideas and material conditions are tangible reality

Angel Peterson
Angel Peterson

All leftists do is cry about Trump, white people, evil right wingers, Hitler, Nazis, straight people, males, sexists etc.
Fuck off, shill.

Adrian Jackson
Adrian Jackson

Even ancap rants are more coherent than leftist pseudo-communism.

Kevin Roberts
Kevin Roberts

we know you're a lefty shill
your arguments are frankly so far outside of all reality as to be exhausting to debate

isnt there a white guy somewhere accidentally committing a microaggression for you to publicly shame back into submission somewhere? shouldnt you get on that? its the most pressing issue.

while you are at it, the government doesnt regulate speech enough, shouldnt you be protesting in favour of censorship somewhere?

Caleb Reyes
Caleb Reyes

Ancaps still haven't figured out a way to show how property rights exist in the absence of a state monopoly on violence. They are the drooling and crayon-eating retards of political ideologies.

Justin Kelly
Justin Kelly

the left loves science
more then two genders
pick one

Jackson Bell
Jackson Bell

its easy, just bribe the local warlord and pay your monthly dues to a protection racket

Leo Lewis
Leo Lewis

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Caleb Turner
Caleb Turner

Both are valid, only faggots are concerned with adopting a left or right stance

Lucas Lee
Lucas Lee

I know! It's frustrating watching people disengage with reality and then claim it influences their worldview most. It's like a baby with a binkie who never mentally matured properly because they weren't bullied enough, hugged enough, or some combination of the two.

That's weird the original post is pretty consistent with most literature from the last century. Leftists want to liberate the worker from oppressive conditions so they own the means of the labor they produce. What's wrong? Are you so fragile you need people denied bathroom breaks at their jobs or something?

So you've nothing to say on the topic of class conflict? Because you sound pretty concerned about white people's rights and censorship, but you've said nothing at all about the worker's relationship to the rich.

There are two sexes. Genders are infinite. Sex is the scientific one, you disingenuous goof-ass.

Henry Cook
Henry Cook

Yeah, that's the point: even they're somehow over the bar set by "progressive" politics

Michael Reed
Michael Reed

Both sides can say whatever they want. At the end of the day they're both bad for the people

Jason Martinez
Jason Martinez

so much this

Ryder Hernandez
Ryder Hernandez

its easy, just bribe the local warlord and pay your monthly dues to a protection racket

And what's the difference to paying taxes to the state that protects your property rights?

Jace Collins
Jace Collins

there are men and women, thats real. everything else is made up and has no basis in biology or science.

meanwhile what is communism? power to the people right? only it isn't. its more power to the government, thats all it is.

Henry Morris
Henry Morris

Right wingers have a special bias (racial/ethnic) while left wingers have a time bias ("get with the times"/"its 2019"). Both are two sides of the same coin, and offer nothing to abstract developmental thinking.

Jackson Adams
Jackson Adams

*spacial

Angel Ross
Angel Ross

theres no difference, im just saying we get the same kinda shit either way so whats even the point in going ancap if you still have to pay protection money to someone. i guess at least the state is generally more stable then trusting in warlords and crime bosses so thats a plus for governments.

Noah Gomez
Noah Gomez

That's weird because communism as defined by Marx and Engels is the workers owning the means of production so their labor isn't exploited by a leisure class. The workers run the government. Ultimately it's power to the workers by way of a worker government. Did you intentionally simplify that point or are you not well read?

Weird, left wing ideas seem pretty marx-centric economically and Christ centric socially (universal humanitarianism and distrust of the powerful). Your idea of a time bias seems influenced by personal experience with people saying those things on Twitter more so than academic precedents.

Julian Taylor
Julian Taylor

Most of those right-wings are edgy 14 year olds trying to be as shocking as possible because they think its funny. 14 year old left-wingers on the other hand take everything too seriously and get un-ironically triggered by everything politically incorrect.
I'm technically a right-winger since I'm an ancap, but I'm not actually racist. I just say some racist shit here sometimes because I think its funny.

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Caleb Brooks
Caleb Brooks

the nu-left is racist as fuck where have you been

Blake Collins
Blake Collins

If you can't discriminate black and white, then you certantly can't discriminate between a human failure and a machine failure.

Henry Morris
Henry Morris

Leftism has to use a lot of words to get you to think in their frame of mind. That's why everything in leftist doctrine is brought about by taking a basic, common sense issue, and saying "its complicated" and going into a 7 paragraph nuanced word-magic essay that deconstructs basic human instinct and common sense. This is all subversion to get you into the frame of mind the purveyor of these thoughts would like you to be in, and the only frame of mind that would have you accept their ideas. Aurelius had thoughts on the subject, basically saying language should be simple, because the truth is often times very simplistic. The use of a lot of words is almost always used for deception purposes, when you realize that you understand leftist arguments.

Kevin Campbell
Kevin Campbell

Any leftist argument: feelings, wishes, desires.

Any conservative argument: action, articulate planning and implementation.

That's the main difference. Liberals live in a fantasy world and desire to transform the real world to said fantasy. Conservatives see the world as it is and desire to maintain the functional, and disband the wasteful/spendthrifty nonsense.

Your only responses (if any) to anyone ITT will be appeals to emotion and personal attacks.

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Chase Foster
Chase Foster

Both are two sides of the same coin

Not really. Being a right-winger is about fundamentally misunderstanding how our politico-economical system operates and then trying to ascribe its events to some sort of mystic, immutable force/boogeyman.

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Connor Smith
Connor Smith

Go back to Rebbit.

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Jose Scott
Jose Scott

You just described the virtue of anti-intellectualism in so many words and I hope you feel sad the next time you eat breakfast. Only a misguided nunce would equate parsimony with validity.

Austin Peterson
Austin Peterson

we vote
we decide who runs things
we have a democratic government

and yet, if we give that democratic government too much power they will fuck us over either through corruption or cruelty or incompetence. the government can not be trusted, not even a government selected by the people.

in venezeuala the government decided food was too expensive, so they lowered the price below what it costs to produce the food. farmers went out of business. and people starved to death. thats how communism works

Nathan Gonzalez
Nathan Gonzalez

conservative are idealists, not materialists, therefore they will never see the world as it is

Christopher Cooper
Christopher Cooper

It takes a lot of words and pats on the back to live a lie.

Hunter Martin
Hunter Martin

The truth is that there is no secret Jewish-masonic cabal of evil lizardmen that seek to subdue the world with their cultural Marxist gayhomo libero-globalist conspiracy. The truth us is way more banal than that. We are living in a system where powerful capitalist oligarchies are just following their own internal logic in acting in their own economical self-interest. Nothing more and nothing less. There are no monolithic satanic cults or evil cartoon villains. Liberal feminism? Just a way to expand the work force for employers. Mass immigration? Just a corporate instrument to depress wages and weaken the cohesion of the local working class. Gay symbols in advertisement and identity politics? Dude, it's just marketing. Companies only care about selling products to you, and not stupid issues like those when Hitler was in power they put Swastikas on shit. Politics within the framework of republican democracy is just a puppet theater to keep proles like you occupied and caught up with irrelevant non-issues and identity politics instead of realizing your own economical and class interests. Conservatives and liberals are just the right and left hand of the same capitalist oligarchy that is ruling over you. You have to recognize that as someone who has to sell his labor power your class interests are diametrically opposed to those of the financial aristocracy that are ruling over you as long as this system still exists. Hysterical conspiracy theories are comforting lies and excuses for people who are either unable or unwilling to recognize this basic reality of the political and economical system you and I were born in, more often than not disseminated and groomed by the very own financial elite that is ruling over us with the purpose to disperse and instrumentalize your rage and your revolutionary potential that would otherwise and threaten to overthrow them.

Jordan Johnson
Jordan Johnson

left-wing political discussions are more cerebral and sensible
You're mistaking pseudo-intellectuals and pilpul with economist and logic. It's ok, it happens, it just means you're prime for being herded :^).

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Daniel Rogers
Daniel Rogers

The truth is very simple. Keep eating from that tree of knowledge, any day now the wisdom of man will eclipse the wisdom of God, which is the natural state.

Charles Ramirez
Charles Ramirez

And yet they’ve planned and executed a near complete takeover of Western culture, media and academia, while you fap to loli porn and shitpost in this hellhole. Where’s all that organization and implementation you faggots larp about? I’d love to see it.

Chase Collins
Chase Collins

idealists

No, realists.

Eli Collins
Eli Collins

KEEP POSTING THE PIC OF BREEZEWOOD PA, A TRUCK STOP SURROUNDED BY VERDANT FORESTS AND BUCOLIC PASTORAL COUNTRYSIDE. POST IT AGAIN!

16402 Lincoln Hwy, Breezewood, PA

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Mason Reyes
Mason Reyes

while you fap to loli porn and shitpost in this hellhole.

{{{projection post, Freudian slip}}}

Liam Davis
Liam Davis

Omfg, you do realize Marx uses abstraction throughout every page of das Kapital??? In simple terms, Ideals are abstractions, Fucking idiot.

Gabriel Moore
Gabriel Moore

Alright, i will fall for the bait this time. The human genome project has actually demonstrated a lot of 19th century racial science is correct. A five race model of mankind optimally clusters according to the classical races. Intelligence is 80% or more inherited, we can see which SNPs cause higher intelligence, and with the 1000genomes study which populations have these SNPs and in what proportion.
It is more rigorous than most biological theories and definitely soft science bullshit like queer marxist theory.

Robert Lee
Robert Lee

The majority of lefties are fucking retards. They refuse to accept evolutionary psychology and biology as possible explanation for human behaviors and differences among groups and attribute every issue to environmental factors. You even mention the mother of all leftist environmental arguments in your post with “class conflict”. It’s retarded meme to cope with reality.

My problem with the right is that they are afraid to go all the way when they get into power, allow leftists to control the Overton window and frame all arguments, and the average ones are too retarded to defend their own positions most of the time.

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Owen Miller
Owen Miller

nationalism is fundamentally ideological and little more than romanticism

Jace Jones
Jace Jones

i think nature might actually be satan
the natural state is one of everything eating everything else, survival of the fittest, disease, etc. every generation we come closer to nature and further from the bodies god gave us. even the animals have degenerated through generations to better suit "the natural world"

but thats just a random theory, i have a lot of those. could be completely wrong easily

Henry James
Henry James

There are two sexes. Genders are infinite. Sex is the scientific one, you disingenuous goof-ass.
Commie thinks there is only two sexes
I knew you commies were bigots.

Henry Evans
Henry Evans

Well said, and perfectly demonstrated here

Carter Ramirez
Carter Ramirez

in this theory the process of natural selection is actually a degeneration from the original perfect form to one that better suits this imperfect satan world

Charles Bailey
Charles Bailey

Racial identity is a better indicator of class than some concept of class which is easily manipulated by guiding public opinion.

Xavier Reed
Xavier Reed

It's the jewish bourgeois alongside their white liberal dogs that want to destroy any form of nationalism, naturalism and national unity just to make wave for cheap foreign labor in order to maintain their consumerist control via banking, media, entertainment etc.
Ethnic socialism is the solution. The white working class needs to rise up. Non whites should fight to liberate their own countries from other corrupt bourgies rather than flee to white countries.
Faggotry and trannies have no place in socialism, their fetishes and mental illness are promoted by capitalists and will destroy worker movements.
I know some of pol is still libertarian-capitalist , and those people don't get that nationalism and capitalism are incompatible. I'm no AnCom or a modern marxist, but socialism as a whole is compatible with ethno nationalism. This is the best solution right now. Healthcare, education, enviroment, worker rights can be compatible with nationalists. Boomer capitalists , lolberts and civ nats have corrupted nationalism.

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Ryan Martinez
Ryan Martinez

Unless you live in Communist societies like China ans Vietnam that are 99.99% homogeneous and violently stamp out dissenting opinions and actions. The epitome of the "evil conservatives" you and your kin babble on and on about. There will never be "Earthicans", one dominant breed of humanity will ensnare the planet and exterminate the lower peoples. Just human nature.

Jose Morgan
Jose Morgan

any form of nationalism

Have you ever been to Israel? It's America on steroids, pertaining to Nationalism.

Luis Lewis
Luis Lewis

A proper analysis of class politics requires an analysis of Jewish identity politics.

Noah Torres
Noah Torres

Marx centric and Christ centric
bad troll

Blake Lewis
Blake Lewis

If you see a problem you intuitively know the answer and have to be convinced otherwise. If you see an action of another, you intuitively know if it is right or wrong and have to be convinced otherwise. In your daily life, if you listen to your heart/consciousness/God you know whether what you're doing is right or wrong but can convince yourself otherwise. This convincing is what is of Satan and is directly related to the passage of the tree of knowledge, trusting the wisdom of men over the wisdom of God. All of politics is the convincing of peoples through the wisdom of men but modern leftism takes it further, deconstructing everything, of which they are proud of.

Jaxson Allen
Jaxson Allen

Fuck off Jew nigger
Sage

Adrian Cox
Adrian Cox

left-wing political discussions are more cerebral and sensible.
by retarded people ruled by emotion

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Ryan Bailey
Ryan Bailey

Israel is allowed to be nationalist, you are not.
Even mentioning that America was founded as a white nation will get you into shit , despite the 1st amendment. You will be deplatformed by private companies that seek to privatize the internet, and fired for your political beliefs by your boss. America is Israel's dog, republican or democrat.

Josiah Walker
Josiah Walker

Institutions that teach people fail to match the value of intuition
Welp, it's over boys. The earth is the center of the universe and all medicine has to deal with the appropriation of the body's various humors. Pack up, this guy's nuts can pick up satellite messages from the Almighty.

Jayden Wilson
Jayden Wilson

If Jews are clustering with whites according to your 5 race model, than what's your problem with them?

Leo Morales
Leo Morales

Literally feelz > realz lmao

James Walker
James Walker

I've never had an argument with a lefty that hasn't devolved into
well I feel like..
..it's my personal truth
you're just a <...phobe>
Every fucking time.

William Flores
William Flores

You just said Jews want to stamp out any form of Nationalism, when they're the most nationalistic people on the planet.

Logan Gray
Logan Gray

bourgeois

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Charles Garcia
Charles Garcia

he means for anyone but themselves, obviously

Leo Mitchell
Leo Mitchell

i guess. but i have been wrong about things i intuitively knew before. people intuition can be wrong because we are not as well tuned to god and truth as maybe we once were. these fallen bodies with their atrophied glands cant commune on the level of truth so much. some things we have to figure out on our own. trusting in instincts often becomes trusting in herd mentality because once people gather together the instincts change. im not saying you're wrong but i dont think we should toss out all language and thinking and stuff. do you want us as animals merely going with our gut every time and never thinking anything through.

Charles Murphy
Charles Murphy

Alright, let's make this a first then.
The workers are being exploited by the leisure class. Thus the leisure class should be abolished carefully over time so that the workers own the means of production and are rewarded at as close to a 1:1 ratio for their output. This will make society a better place. A place where a worker's value is in what they produce, not who they control.

Ryan Bennett
Ryan Bennett

Yup

Cameron Fisher
Cameron Fisher

Well left thinking is defiantly cerebral but also emotional. Just not practical or sensible. Ivory towers, do not relate to reality.

Benjamin Nguyen
Benjamin Nguyen

I remember the days when I was a Libertarian Socialist and thought garbage like this was correct.

left wing ideas seem pretty marx-centric economically and Christ centric socially (universal humanitarianism and distrust of the powerful)

Except Marxist ideas are inherently anti-Christian, since Marxism inevitably resorts to using force (and thereby depriving free will) to enforce its social norms.

Isaiah Morales
Isaiah Morales

muh class conflict
Then why do every fucking rich person in the west agree with the left?

Kevin Kelly
Kevin Kelly

Conservatives are Leftists. They are conserving the Leftism of 20-30 years ago.

Adrian Ramirez
Adrian Ramirez

Political discussions are garbage, may it be left or right

Kayden Wood
Kayden Wood

Why say one thing when you mean another? Critical thinking isn't the forte of this board.

Julian Gray
Julian Gray

fpbp

Landon Gray
Landon Gray

20-30 years ago nearly 100% of America voted for a Republican, Ronald Reagan.

Henry Butler
Henry Butler

Laughs in Koch Brothers and Wall Street
I'll admit I want American Christianity (the equation of money with moral value) to die in a hole, but Christ of Nazareth was a fine person. It's that ability for people to exploit the hierarchies mass religion requires in praxis that made Marx so goddamn distrustful of its ability to function alongside a more Utopian structure than capitalism.

Jackson Stewart
Jackson Stewart

Leftists want to liberate the worker from oppressive conditions so they own the means of the labor they produce
Are you saying that leftists want to go against the globalist-jewish-multinational corporations that control the media, lobby the government and control the intelligence agencies?

Great. Go for it lefties. You have my support.

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Matthew Morris
Matthew Morris

political others
class conflict
Nigger your entire framing is of “political others”

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Adam Miller
Adam Miller

Economy doesn't just depend on production, but also on consumption. A worker is also a member of the leisure class, when not working.

Adrian Richardson
Adrian Richardson

That's a big word salad to justify your commie agenda.
Its been proven time and time again that behind every liberal activism is Jewish influence. The Jewish agenda is to devolve all non Jews into cattle for their own pleasure. You can see this with the weimar republic and how America is turning into weimar 2.0

Ayden Morgan
Ayden Morgan

You’re mistaking bs sophistry and mental gymnastics for substance and causal links.

Blake Robinson
Blake Robinson

Actually it isn't. Right wing ideology always boils down to emotional appeal.

This is why fear mongering is so prevalent in right wing propaganda. It's always about:
-muh culture
-muh traditions (appeal to tradition fallacy)
-muh purity (literally an emotional argument)
-muh religion (not logic or science)

In fact, there is research that shows right wing mentality is linked to increased activity in the amygdala which governs emotion and survival instinct.

Nathan Cooper
Nathan Cooper

Whom was nothing more than a corporate spokesmen, handed out an illegal immigrant amnesty that turned California blue, Republican and Democrat are the same in their end goal.

Daniel Flores
Daniel Flores

You dont know how to determine "realz" which is why there is such a divide on what "realz" even are. There are no reals that are accepted as absolute truths because the wisdom of man cannot find absolute truth.

James Wright
James Wright

Tell that to the neighborhoods taken over by muslims and the girls being raped by immigrants hanz....wake up!

Lincoln Gray
Lincoln Gray

Have to admit, left-wing political discussions are more cerebral and sensible.

appeal to authority, character assassination, appeal to emotions, blatant censorship, willful ignorance.. yeah I do not really have to admit shit

Right-wing politics seem to frame issues in the concept of "political others", "invading parties", "racial outsiders", and shit that's for teenagers

why this is for teenagers, being invaded by foreign parties propped up by a fifth column is no joking matter, it's an existential crisis

Meanwhile every left-winger over the age of 24 I talk to just says politics are best framed as a series of class conflicts a majority of the time.

that's bullshit and you know it, left wingers pay homage to the class war coined by Marks but their new vocabulary is far more diverse, they love to divide society along fault lines based along oppressors/oppressed - they are the first to tell you they want (sex/sexual orientation/ethnicity) person to do a job with no mention if that person have the qualities to do so

Considering the complex machinations that go into fiscal happenings over the ease of saying "IT'S DA JEWZ AND NEGROES SIR", my first instinct is to always analyze things from the left-wing perspective.

if you analyze things even for a while you'd be unable to side step the fact it's very often teh jews, however you "analyze" them by left-wing perspective IE you work to dismantle the power groups of today to as the useful idiot you are to give the world to the globalists(yes the jews)

Jaxson Russell
Jaxson Russell

Where’s all that organization and implementation
If I had a cabal of central bankers backing me, I could do it!

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Jacob Carter
Jacob Carter

Believing it's exclusively Jewish people suppressing the working class
Oh my when is your high school graduation my dude I'll bring an ice cream cake and some books.
You can work AND be in the leisure class
Somebody didn't do the reading! Once you've entered the leisure class you don't ever NEED to work again. This is pretty well defined by a series of Russian/German novelists from the 1880's-1960's.

Jace Stewart
Jace Stewart

Are you retarded? Money can be moved between people. You can’t change someone’s genome and their development in space/time. The biology is a lot more meaningful than some currency one holds at a moment.

Dylan Bailey
Dylan Bailey

this
the left hasnt been left in a long time
they are just clown world authoritarians now

there is no left
if there is a left, we are it

Angel Jackson
Angel Jackson

Your intuition and connection to God, and absolute truth, can be clouded by ignoring it for too long. Developing spiritually allows for the restrengthening of this connection, which is why spiritual development will always lead to more peace than the pursuit of the knowledge of man. Again, if you feel your intution of right and wrong is off, you have allowed for the deceptive nature of Satan to take hold of your thoughts and the arguments of man to permeate your consciousness.

Angel Foster
Angel Foster

It's that ability for people to exploit the hierarchies mass religion requires in praxis that made Marx so goddamn distrustful of its ability to function alongside a more Utopian structure than capitalism.

That's because hierarchies are based upon the natural world and are not entirely social constructs. The Marxist ideal of Equality is a lie. It is based upon a flawed assumption of the universe.

Dylan Fisher
Dylan Fisher

How you were born has more weight on my freedom than actions you can actively take to change things.
Jow Forums, ladies and gentleman.

Zachary Torres
Zachary Torres

You ARE retarded. Genes are what make you not from another group of people. Money is the virtual concept with material tokens. The biology never changes. You can’t take it away. It is material you retard.

Samuel Robinson
Samuel Robinson

Every left wing political conversation ive ever had had clear indication that the left wing relies entirely on social pressure to influence its followers, essentially people quoting tumblr memes into their 40a instead of any nuanced discussion of any issue. Right wing conversations base themselves in religious morality but left wing conversations literally almost always devolving into regurgitating talk show host quips within 3 sentences of beginning.

Thomas Martinez
Thomas Martinez

consistently avoids points that go against his world view
im so much smarter and above all of this
kys you commie piece of fucking shit

Jordan Wilson
Jordan Wilson

Yes because most left wing political don't boil down to 'orange man bad.' or, 'Republicans r racist.' nice try Zionist number 427

Gavin Bell
Gavin Bell

Unfortunately both extreme sides are race obsessed. One's against black and the other is against white. They both think the same thoughts, want more segregation, racial tension, etc. These people are always immature, with a puer aeternus provisional life, waiting for "the day of the rope" or something similar.

There are good points on both sides when discussing with reasonable people. If you're curious about top notch conservative intellectuals, go read articles and watch interviews done by the Hoover Institution.

My problem with the left is that they get distracted by too much abstraction, and find ways to create what I would call theoretical issues. They're not real problems, but academic in nature. The conservative intellectuals tend to be more focused on what effect policies will have, fiscal responsibility, geopolitical implications and so on. They make devastating cultural critics as well. However there are great thinkers on both sides.

Jaxon Roberts
Jaxon Roberts

You are why people hate leftists. Class is a meaningless designation, it's a fluid, abstract concept. Genetics are not, yet you claim intellectual superiority.
humanitarian values
Code word for Jewish tricks. Only people who fall for this are naive fools who don't understand the concept of finite resources or the nature of human existence. Leftists are dangerous fools capable of incredible harm when their delusional ideals crumble around them.

Julian Watson
Julian Watson

Your reply is totally dependant on emotion. No facts just emotion. The whole point of production is consumption. Without consumption there would be no production.

Gavin Brooks
Gavin Brooks

Hierarchies like worker suppression are natural
Yes, that's why pre-neolithic humans suppressed workers for a majority of our species' existence! God fucking dammit boys, how did this guy possibly become so educated??

Adam Lee
Adam Lee

Left wing doesn't fear monger this is how everyone here knows you are a mentally deficient faggot. Literally a year straight of reeee trump reeee nazis reeeee Russia . People on the left are the least self aware, most pompous dunning kruger misfits on the planet

Brayden Powell
Brayden Powell

You put way too much effort into trying to reason with someone who made up their mind and cemented their world view long ago.

Benjamin Gutierrez
Benjamin Gutierrez

Go fuck yourself

Jacob Parker
Jacob Parker

In fact, there is research that shows right wing mentality is linked to increased activity in the amygdala which governs emotion and survival instinct.

Interesting fact. It appears there could be biological differences between certain groups of people that govern their behavior.

Oliver Ramirez
Oliver Ramirez

If Jews are clustering with whites according to your 5 race model, than what's your problem with them?
Because they are allowed to practice in-group preference, nepotism and cronyism while we are not. You need to crack a book, pinkie. I suggest the Culture of Critique.

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Jacob Diaz
Jacob Diaz

Money isn't classes, idiot. Your class is defined by your relation to the means of production within the economy and whether they are within your ownership.

Chase Gonzalez
Chase Gonzalez

you have allowed for the deceptive nature of Satan to take hold of your thoughts
so have you
we all have
to even live in this world we have had to adapt to its logic. it seems the height of arrogance for you to think yourself immune to satans influence. your intuitions have been tainted, and at some point you have to work things out with reason and language sometimes because we are not perfect and in this world we cant be.

Michael Gutierrez
Michael Gutierrez

"political others", "invading parties", "racial outsiders", and shit that's for teenagers.

Wait until you become an adult, faggot and see what the real world is like.

my first instinct is to always analyze things from the left-wing perspective.

This is why you will always be a failure in life.

Juan Clark
Juan Clark

also if we did everything by instinct and not reason and thinking, would we even be alive? i think therefore i am

Landon Robinson
Landon Robinson

Sloppy job mossad

Matthew Mitchell
Matthew Mitchell

So a 21 year old amateur app developer who creates the next Angry Birds in his dorm room is part of the proletariat?

Jason Gomez
Jason Gomez

Wahhh, mean man on the internet said my skin color isn't being genocided! He's a cuck who just needs to go to the city once like I did and realize impoverished blacks are super rude! What a basement dwelling cloud-head. I bet he's never seen a single episode of Gurren Lagan!

Julian Rodriguez
Julian Rodriguez

Quintessential boomer-tier post.

Camden Myers
Camden Myers

If you hadnt realized this is OP is a troll by this post you need to stop posting on Jow Forums

Isaac Evans
Isaac Evans

You can be reborn with the spirit of God. I'm not claiming I haven't allowed the wisdom of man in, only now have I begun to restrengthen my connection with God and rid my soul of the grip of the wisdom of man.

Samuel Lee
Samuel Lee

I wasn't trolling when I typed a single word of that. This board's need for everything to be laconic is one of its major pitfalls.

David Bell
David Bell

Your relation to the means of production is correlated to your personal capital in a capitalist system Karl.

John Russell
John Russell

only 2 sexes
I dare you to post that on Twitter, bigot.

Joshua Garcia
Joshua Garcia

and you did so using logic and reason and language in your head. you didnt get closer to god by instinct that time. if you stuck to your instincts you would be going with the herd still. so lets not be so quick to shit on intellectualism just because satans corrupted it along with everything else.

Brandon Torres
Brandon Torres

Government should control everything
vs
Government should not control everything

Kill yourself

Jacob Butler
Jacob Butler

This. /thread

Dylan Bell
Dylan Bell

They don't want to admit the lower class are lower class because they are retarded and incapable of forward planning.

Adrian Cook
Adrian Cook

Does said developer have to sell his labor power or is he living of his daddy's trust fund?

Brandon Ramirez
Brandon Ramirez

communists are physically repulsive and will hang while they scream in terror to their disgusted mothers

Angel Perez
Angel Perez

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Christopher Harris
Christopher Harris

I know they sold you this dribble in your Marxist education classes. Hey, I bought it for a long time too - 10 years in fact.

Small groups can exists without hierarchies for the most part as their function requires little input from leadership. However, you can see that in the development from hunter gathers to state level forms that hierarchies always assert themselves. Also, within hunter gather groups it is common for certain individuals to assume loose leadership roles to varying degrees (e.g. big men). However, these leadership roles are based upon age and experience.

Also, out side of human world, one can see myriad forms of hierarchies.

Blake Foster
Blake Foster

There is no such thing as 'lower class'. There is no definition for such thing. You either are part of the working class or the capitalist class.

Justin Wood
Justin Wood

reply to a post about leftists using unnecesarry decoration words with a post that literally seemed to be words picked out of a thesaurus halfway through
not a troll
Okay

Alexander Turner
Alexander Turner

I'm against class warfare
f-fuck b-b-boomers though

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Hunter Martin
Hunter Martin

Class is a meaningless designation
No it is not. Britain, German, etc all had de facto caste systems for centuries - peasants vs nobility. The nobility are generally bred for intelligence while the peasants were work animals.

Eli Rodriguez
Eli Rodriguez

Money supremacists are even more clueless than racial in group preferences, even a child can understand money. In group preferences is only apparent if your survival instincts are switched on, most are not even slightly aware, even when they are aware they fear being called a racist for explainint evolutionary sociobiology.

Ethan Allen
Ethan Allen

Fuck off jew

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Zachary Parker
Zachary Parker

I as a slightly left leaning centrist view gender as the following:
In order to not insult mentally ill trap people we allow them to take a word from our dictionary and to rape it.

The change in the meaning of the word gender is the slightest societal problem trap faggots pose.

Wise words on communism user.

Gavin Morales
Gavin Morales

That's weird, I've never seen a bunch of gorillas use tax havens to keep other gorillas starved and homeless. I've never seen a pack of lions fuck over one lion so bad he dies from an illness they can prevent with medicine. I've never witness a school of fish where one fish of the same species collects millions more resources per day than the others.

We've accelerated the inequality to a point that's insidious, inhumane and requires correction. We're better than the beasts and can prove it by using our minds and hearts to help each other.

Juan Miller
Juan Miller

The so-called “capitalist class” had to work to build that capital up. They worked both smart and hard to get to where they are. They deserve luxury for that.

Jason Harris
Jason Harris

that must make it easier to be a spoiled white faggot and larp as an oppressed minority to your subIQ friends

Lucas Watson
Lucas Watson

Most IRL communists are actually Chads, see Hasan Piker while the average right winger is a low IQ manlet. It's not surprising that non-achieving lowlifes like you guys have to cling to some arbitrary identity to feel to be part of something bigger than themselves.

Caleb Gutierrez
Caleb Gutierrez

Really Mr Marxist? There's no difference between the lumpenproletariat and the petty bourgeois? You don't even understand your own garbage ideology get the fuck out

Jaxson Watson
Jaxson Watson

thats weird
How many times are you going to start a post with that, you cant even directly confront shit without trying to shame someone you condescending douche; just make your point and leave the roastie shit out of it

Caleb Gonzalez
Caleb Gonzalez

Lmao nice bait

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Gavin Martinez
Gavin Martinez

The young turks son is a chad?
This is becoming lower quality bait by the post

Austin Phillips
Austin Phillips

Confusing age discrimination with class discrimination on purpose? Be sure to post a picture of some ugly cunt with a pint.
Did this motherfucker just say money supremacists? Name a single academic who uses that fucking term, I dare you.
I went on to make a point after those two words, you weird little shit. Fixating on a speech trope is such low-grade idiot brain shit.

Jonathan Lewis
Jonathan Lewis

and you did so using logic and reason and language in your head
No this is incorrect. I did so by clearing my mind of language. Just as meditation teaches to allow thoughts to come and go and know that you are separate from them. You do not create all thoughts, so where do they come from? In meditation or prayer the objective is to understand that you, as the observing soul, is separate from the thoughts that are passing in your brain. God said "be still, and know that I am God." This practice allows you to utilize logic effectively, without it you only use what you believe to be logic.
Some verses on the issue:
Psalm 62:5 For God alone, O my soul, wait in silence, for my hope is from him.

Job 6:24 Teach me, and I will be silent; make me understand how I have gone astray.

Psalm 131:2 But I have calmed and quieted my soul, like a weaned child with its mother; like a weaned child is my soul within me.

Books such as Psalms and Proverbs heavily touch on this subject, as Solomon was granted the highest wisdom from God.

Xavier Davis
Xavier Davis

The biggest spear chucker fucked all the women, the incels were cast out or got killed.
There is always a pecking order. Even small children pushing each other off a hill of dirt compete for dominance.

Edit - 25 fucking captchas wtf

James Allen
James Allen

sure, but if we try again we will starve to death because a government controlled by the workers is an unrealistic pipe dream. government is just government and no government on earth could ever be trusted with the power and control a communist government has.

Aaron Gonzalez
Aaron Gonzalez

Leftists focus on class conflict

YOU. DONT. SAYYYY?!?!

all fields

Jack Diaz
Jack Diaz

The commies are unironically BTFOing Jow Forums ITT with arguments freshmen philosophy students learn. This place has been completely boomer-fied since 2016.

Easton Cruz
Easton Cruz

That's not really true though. Most capital was amassed by so-called 'primitive capital accumulation'. It is the result of inheriting wealth that was at one point acquired by violence, extortion, slavery and simply exploitation. If you live in America then every single piece of land that you are walking on has been at one point extorted from their original owners.

Juan Edwards
Juan Edwards

Why do you believe democracies are inherently unable to represent workers fairly?

James Collins
James Collins

I've found the opposite. Left-wing politics are all about racial identity and perpetual whining. Right-wing politics seem to be a step up in complexity, in the sense that the goal is to achieve a coherent system, not to chase an inane statistical mirage.

Dominic Baker
Dominic Baker

Nope. Class is largely breeding. Sorry you lost out in the genetic lottery.

Blake Gonzalez
Blake Gonzalez

most commies are chads
Imagine believing this
hassan piker
a chad
O am laffin

Robert Clark
Robert Clark

Youre a lazy troll

Christian Walker
Christian Walker

How much do you squat?

David Gomez
David Gomez

Leftists arguments are more rational.

Provides zero evidence of this. Because there is none and Moshi knows this before he even starts to try and lie about it. I wish Hitler had actually shoa'ed you people.

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Charles Price
Charles Price

gibs me dat

woah so cerebral and complex bro

Connor Adams
Connor Adams

lol seriously?
im living in a democracy and you ask me that lol

Ayden Cook
Ayden Cook

This is true if you live anywhere, even North Sentinel Island.

Anthony Morgan
Anthony Morgan

Pretty much. Once Bernie's campaign really kicks off this place will be Commie central and all those boomers can fuck right back to their shitty facebook groups where they can complain about rock music and video games.

Jeremiah Ross
Jeremiah Ross

That building takes up less than a quarter acre of land. There are football pitches in Bombay that occupy more space. Not their fault several generations of millions of people opted to have 12 kids each.

Justin Perry
Justin Perry

If you live in America then every single piece of land that you are walking on has been at one point extorted from their original owners.

Many/most native tribes routinely warred with each other and committed mass killings and genocides against other tribes. They have no moral claim to the land either. Is it wrong to steal from a thief what he stole from another?

Eli Allen
Eli Allen

Didn't you just say a government that is controlled by the workers (a textbook democracy) is an unrealistic pipedream? That's what I'm talking about. Why do you believe democracy has to exist alongside worker suppression?

Benjamin Walker
Benjamin Walker

Shill posts like this ruined Jow Forums not the boomers.

Samuel Clark
Samuel Clark

meditation is a trap to get us to open our minds to demonic influence

thats what you're doing. you used logic and reason to convince yourself to ignore logic and reason and now you await demons to whisper into your quiet mind

Jacob Bennett
Jacob Bennett

And what is your solution to this? Getting rid of the “capitalist class” would only deincentivize hard work.

Hudson Hill
Hudson Hill

# The way they talk makes stupid people like you think that they are smarter, while in reality they just spread empty (((intellectual))) propaganda. Yes, while many people on /pol are trolls and retards, many right wingers(even on /pol) have genuine intellectual opinions and have no need to make things sound more complex than they really are to look smarter.

Adam Davis
Adam Davis

Here I was thinking it was the Nazi punks who keep telling people they're going to be hanged for expressing empathy.

Luke Thomas
Luke Thomas

wow, amazing and insightful post! which youtuber did you hear that from, i'd love to subscribe to their channel so i can share it with my schoolmates XD

i'll see you at the pride parade!

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Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill

"Class conflict" is a Western thing in the first place because the West has always had a backward conception of political order. You don't observe class struggle in the Marxist sense in pre-Westernized Asia for example. Western society has a conception of politics as bubbling up from below which is where stuff like class struggle comes from. Also, the idea that various foreigners flouting immigration laws etc. are Actually Good implies a seriously deformed moral order within society

Tyler Wright
Tyler Wright

Exactly and that's why property is theft and bullshit like the 'NAP' don't make much sense because virtually every piece of capital has been the spoil of violence and exploitation.

Nolan Evans
Nolan Evans

what is The Bell Curve and the NLSY
Lel

Oliver Martin
Oliver Martin

There is no difference, boomers are a class of citizens that transcends race, Creed and social/economic status. Your divisive rhetoric neutralized itself hombre. Can't blame other people for being an embarrassing failure forever. Time to grow up.

Isaiah Collins
Isaiah Collins

MFW you think people need the threat of starving to death while homeless to be motivated to do something productive with their time.

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Jaxson Hall
Jaxson Hall

If a gorilla lay on its ass and depended on other gorillas to fetch its fruit it would not live very long.

David Harris
David Harris

did you just say "something you clearly did not say"?
Fucking leftists

Carson Cruz
Carson Cruz

I thought you were aware already of the jewish double standard when it comes to ethnic homelands. So don't overestimate yourself. They don't have a problem destroying white european countries or middle eastern ones, but say that Israel should open its borders, then you're antisemitic.

Josiah Foster
Josiah Foster

Now, you're just being silly. You know good and well that animals behave abhorrent ways towards each other. Animals often engage in roles of dominion and submission. Look into how Chimpanzees behave in the wild. Dominance and even cannibalism are normal parts of their world.

We've accelerated the inequality to a point that's insidious, inhumane and requires correction. We're better than the beasts and can prove it by using our minds and hearts to help each other.

Yeah, and I used to think striving for Utopia was the way forward too. However, Marxism always results in a road to hell paved with good intentions. The reason this happens is because Marxism's assumption about human nature are flawed. It is a sheep in wolves clothing. And I'd advise you, if you don't want to squander 10 years of your life with it like I did. to find something else. In fact, I recommend taking a gander at this vid: bitchute.com/video/tC0ScaM3MktV/

It really helped me break free from the last vestiges of my Marxist indoctrination.

Landon White
Landon White

Death is the greatest motivator.

Dylan Cruz
Dylan Cruz

Original owners? Did the original (owners) have a concept of land ownership? I don't believe so. In fact they were right. You don't own land, just rent it by your will and strength. It remains when you are gone. If your descendants don't have the strength or will to hold it, someone else gets it. That's reality.

Ayden Rivera
Ayden Rivera

Seems like an appeal to emotion to me user I thought that was just us far right Nazi supremacist ?

Chase Nelson
Chase Nelson

Yes, because all suppressed workers are secretly just inactive cripples with entitlement issues. Jesus Christ man, go outside.

Okay, because you're intentionally being dense here is the post I was refrerring to. Learn how to use the board, cunt.

Chase Foster
Chase Foster

because people are asshole and they are stupid and naive. we can already vote. we can already select who represents us and we choose assholes every time. what do you even want? why do you assume the workers will choose someone decent and not someone corrupted.

ALL GOVERNMENT BECOMES CORRUPT
ALWAYS
ALL OF THEM
its not even remotely possible to trust any government that has or ever will exist.

but we do need government. we just need to hold it at a safe distance. communism does not hold government at a safe distance

John Johnson
John Johnson

Who taught you that? Why do you believe God to be so weak that opening yourself to his wisdom, he would in turn allow demons to corrupt. I've read your theory around the internet as well, do not trust these men.

Brandon Ramirez
Brandon Ramirez

Most wealthy individuals in fact inherit it. Try using facts instead of feelings.

Ryan Jackson
Ryan Jackson

since 2016.
newfag detected

Brody Jackson
Brody Jackson

Awesome. So this means that when we commies come to seize your property you'll be fine with it when we overpowered you. Thanks for agreeing with this.

Tyler Sanchez
Tyler Sanchez

Stones and glass houses. It's not surprising that people who subscribe to an ideology of envy are simply bitter about being economically worthless to other people.

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Thomas Gonzalez
Thomas Gonzalez

property is theft
Property is a legal relationship which implies the existence of an authority.
this is your brain on Locke or Proudhon

Jose Gray
Jose Gray

Last I looked it isn't the 1800s when people had no access to indoor plumbing and were illiterate.

Brayden Sanders
Brayden Sanders

god isnt weak but for whatever reason hes not throwing his weight around in too obvious a way. he is letting things play out. he is allowing evil, i dont know why, i might be beyond my understanding.

remember that quote,"trust in god but tie your camel." its like that.

Camden Walker
Camden Walker

The leftist viewpoints will always be wrong because their belief is inherently flawed.

The left are the only group who believes males sucking cock, trannies cutting their dicks, let in hordes of dirt poor savages, force the economy to pay for unsustainable retards, incentivate their people to not have children is normal, while grouping people within their cultures and races, let people exercise business, reject sexual degenerates is a "nazi" thing

Isaac Wood
Isaac Wood

Interesting fact, the difference I'm referring to does not correlate with race. I know that's what you were getting at because it's what everything circles back to with you guys.

William Williams
William Williams

Uh I think what he's saying is you wouldn't have a choice in the manner you fucking nigger brained commie

Juan Gomez
Juan Gomez

I actually think that picture is comfy. It’s any exit off of I95.

Caleb Perry
Caleb Perry

Calling something you disagree with18th century pseudo-science...How long did it take for you to think that one up?

There is obvious racial difference in people from bone structures, muscle mass, IQ, culture influences on races, etc. It seems science disagrees with your politically correct assumptions to disregard race as a real measure.

Kayden Taylor
Kayden Taylor

These wealthy individuals also have the same genetics that made their parents hard-working. They are also raised to be hard-working in most cases, otherwise the family’s money fizzles out. Try using abstract thinking instead of regurgitating what the media tells you.

Josiah Bell
Josiah Bell

I don't disagree, but pretending any systemic reset will change that is silly. Ancap and communism are both imaginary reset buttons for people who are pissed off they had to start playing the game 1000 generations in. It all leads back to the same situation where future generations are forever inhibited by where they spawned in the new timeline.

Eli Hall
Eli Hall

also did god make us just to follow instinct come on. we are supposed to be thinking creatures with ideas and creativity and language. its not evil to think.

Camden Price
Camden Price

The leftist viewpoints will always be wrong because their belief is inherently flawed.
This is literally a circular argument.

Charles Harris
Charles Harris

white european countries or middle eastern

Almost all of the Jewish people in Israel are European whites or New York whites of identical ancestry. Israel is a white nationalist ethnostate. Why blame a boogieman if you've no intent to fight said monsters? Perhaps you should plot something useful to your cause and send (((them))) a message.

Chase Powell
Chase Powell

You'd have to be strong enough and I'd be dead. So my opinions irrelevant.

Lincoln Walker
Lincoln Walker

getting mad when someone logically uses your religious beliefs to explain your hypocrisy

Ian Johnson
Ian Johnson

Wow, it's almost like people living in a state of pauperization support radical change to the prevailing politico-economical system! What else is in the news? The fact that well-off individuals and members of the elite are the biggest supporters of the status-quo? Who would've thunk!

Joseph Butler
Joseph Butler

seize your property

To give it back to the Natives? Then what?

Christopher Cooper
Christopher Cooper

That particular difference didn't correlate with race, but you have admitted the possibility that biological traits- mental characteristics in particular- have consequences with regard to beliefs and behavior. So, why is it so outlandish for you to consider the possibility that race is also responsible for some of these differences?

Jordan Anderson
Jordan Anderson

What's up with ancaps trying to inject their sick sexual fetishes into every political discussion?

Jonathan Bell
Jonathan Bell

If I showed you a picture of an African man and a picture of a Chinese man, how often would you get those two mixed up? It's just skin deep you say? You don't get black skin(or white skin for that matter) or asian eyes without heavy genetic selection, thus the races really are difference. Just because nowadays globalists want a brown river of untermensch doesn't mean that racial differences exist in scientifically and statistically proven way.

Jonathan White
Jonathan White

believing whatever bullshit moral ethical system your neet brain has managed to roughly stitch together is actually anymore true or logical than religion.

Nicholas Rogers
Nicholas Rogers

It’s manipulation and intellectual dishonesty.

Jack Rogers
Jack Rogers

Bull cookies.
You know all this Unvetted unskilled immigration, universal basic income (“free money”), free medical and reparation gimmees are more Cloward and Piven “overload the system to overthrow it” crap. In Europe they are playing demographic warfare to divide, subvert and conquer the nations. The Globalists WANT chaos, misery and death to cement their control. They are no friends of the poor and downtrodden.

Evan Roberts
Evan Roberts

Specifically on meditation, though. If you seek God through prayer and meditation, he will not allow demons to corrupt. Throughout the bible, many specific examples in the OT, and all religious texts meditation in combination with prayer is worthwhile in finding God. As for God not actively intervening, his kingdom is not of this world. The answers you're seeking are in the bible, as many times as that's been said and redundant as its become. Many shy from the bible because the people promoting it, often times haven't read it themselves, and don't live it. Try Proverbs first, see if many questions you have aren't answered.

Owen Bennett
Owen Bennett

time-bias, dude, wtf are you smoking. The left is more about race than ever before, they're LBJ tier with niggers and women.

Nathaniel Foster
Nathaniel Foster

No, to abolish property in general.

Easton Nelson
Easton Nelson

it's almost like people living in a state of pauperization support radical change to the prevailing politico-economical system!
exactly, just like how the people of communism countries often protest and fight for capitalism. they believe it will restore some power back to the people.

Ayden Reed
Ayden Reed

Basing politics on "class" is fucking retarded and has been debunked for almost over 100 years. Read a fucking book you backwards selfish thug nigger.

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Elijah Harris
Elijah Harris

Humans, like the rest of creation, favor their own families over other people's families. Wolves, for example, smell each other to understand who is in the pack and who isn't. Since we rely on our vision to identify our children and relatives how people look effects our instinctual connection to them. In a puritanical fashion the we are told these instincts are not only wrong but they are implied to be worse than anything else. Why are communists assaulting racists but not drug dealers, rapists, murderers, or terrorists?

Communism can't handle the effects of genetic diversity among peoples, therefore many of them simply deny it exists. I suggest communists look into the real reason why there was starvation during Stalin's reign: Lysenkoism. Stalin executed geneticists and put a purely environmental Lamarkian huckster in charge of his agriculture. Just as they assumed they could turn summer wheat into winter wheat by freezing it, so the modern left thinks they can turn Somalis into Swedes by dumping them in Stockholm.

Easton Morales
Easton Morales

The fucking cringe i had to endure from reading this post. Left wing and cerebral? Top fucking kek. You cant even properly interpret statistics but you are all about the brain im sure about it.

Samuel Torres
Samuel Torres

ok, prayer and meditation maybe is fine. but dont suggest to people that they should meditate without prayer. the brain has no firewalls and meditation puts people into suggestive states. its a dangerous thing to be messing with

Aaron Wright
Aaron Wright

Leftists only care about power
Conservatives only care about conserving the best traditions and family.

The left couldn't give a fuck about traditions or family, which is why they're a-okay with abortions up until birth and wanting a horde of shitskins to move in next door, tear down the local church and build a mosque blasting the islamic call to pray.

Bentley Morales
Bentley Morales

Praxeology, which Austrian economics fundamentally depend on is mystic bunk that doesn't even try to claim it that it's actually based on science. It's basically economical theology.

Nathan Adams
Nathan Adams

Are crystals safe user ? My girlfriend wants to try them but I'm scared they might be too powerful

Logan Sullivan
Logan Sullivan

Then the biggest bullies and assholes will just take over again, leading right back to what we have now.

Gabriel Price
Gabriel Price

Because you folks have an obsession with proving a foregone conclusion that has already been studied by social science.

I have more in common with someone with a modern amygdala than a subhuman amygdala, white or black.

Why should I base my in group on subhumans whites?

Jose Anderson
Jose Anderson

I notice this faggot always makes a lot of claims in his posts but never actually addresses any evidence to support it.

Owen Ward
Owen Ward

What evidence do you need? The wikipedia article of Praxeology which specifically states that it is not a science?

Lincoln Stewart
Lincoln Stewart

Have to admit, left-wing political discussions are more cerebral and sensible.
Haha, try playing devil's advocate around them and watch all of the articulate points and logic disappear from the discourse.

Your problem is that you are discussing these things with like-minded people who you already 95% agree with on pedantic things. Their "reasonable" nature with evaporate with even a small amount of friction between their assertions and your refutations.

Chase Scott
Chase Scott

all you need is prayer. anything else and you are asking for miracles, but you're not asking god. so if those miracles are answered, who answered them, it wasnt god you were asking for help when you grabbed the crystal. i wouldnt trust it. if prayer doesnt help then i guess you're fucked, for whatever reason bad things do happen to good people.

Hunter Diaz
Hunter Diaz

imagine living there

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Elijah Parker
Elijah Parker

left-wing political discussions are more cerebral and sensible
stopped reading here

also this
Left wing conversations are circular exercises of cognitive dissonance and intellectual dishonesty.

Brody Martinez
Brody Martinez

This post is a very good example of projection.

Luke Barnes
Luke Barnes

Where’s all that organization and implementation you faggots larp about?
It's called gerrymandering and redistricting.
The Democrats use voter fraud to counter it.

Brody Scott
Brody Scott

Because you folks have an obsession with proving a foregone conclusion that has already been studied by social science.

Western social scientists agreed unanimously that race was a valid concept until after WW2, because Nazism made it politically inconvenient. In Eastern Europe (which, ironically enough, was protected from liberalism's race-denialist ideology by communism) and in Asia, social scientists still overwhelmingly believe in race.

I have more in common with someone with a modern amygdala than a subhuman amygdala, white or black.

I'm not sure a Somalian with your amygdala type would see it quite the same way you do.

Why should I base my in group on subhumans whites?

You don't "choose" your in-group.

Robert Foster
Robert Foster

politics are best framed as a series of class conflicts a majority of the time.

thats because youre brainletized by a marxist educational system, retard

Luis Sanchez
Luis Sanchez

or crystals just have properties that can be used to do things and its nothing to do with any demons. i dont know. depends on how you handle the crystal maybe. a wrist watch uses the properties of crystal to measure the passage of time, there is no miracle being asked for there, its just a predictable physical property being used in a technology.

so if you do use crystals use them more like a tool. and not some magic rocks you pray to for miracles like a false god. demons might answer those crystal prayers and their help comes at a price.

of course im talking out my ass and making this up as i go along. i dont actually believe most of what i say online, just throwing ideas out there.

Charles Jones
Charles Jones

This. There may be rare cases where throwing money and opportunity at low IQ retards can better their situation. At the end of the day there will always be a hierarchy based on genes, traits, and intelligence and they will squander most help you give them. That doesn’t mean you treat lower humans as trash though, and letting in tons of subhumans doesn’t really drive people to accepting them either. Only the high class whites who never have to deal with subhumans on a daily basis think immigration is a non topic. If you were serious OP, then you should be publicly shamed and executed tbhf.

Michael Rivera
Michael Rivera

Hitler was a better man than Trump
thats how cerebral they are

Carson Harris
Carson Harris

There is an entire book on this brainlet

Daniel Nelson
Daniel Nelson

Do you know who Hayek is ?

Benjamin Scott
Benjamin Scott

Are you ok, user?

Brayden Nguyen
Brayden Nguyen

It's always like that until you talk about shit that matters like racial diversity.

Apparently, races don't matter and if you dress up a nigger in a kimono, he becomes a japanese.

The left is insane.

Jayden Nguyen
Jayden Nguyen

i remember she was pretty hot back in the day

Lucas Johnson
Lucas Johnson

Western social scientists agreed unanimously that race was a valid concept until after WW2
Yes...and?

because of a little thing called Nazism
That's a good reason because it was fucking genocidal and destructive but also because we've sequenced the human genome and we know more now than we did then.

I'm not sure a Somalian with your amygdala type would see it quite the same way you do.

Yeah because you're cemented in your racial outlook but I would rather live with a modern Somalian than a subhuman like yourself. You guys destroy modern civilization because you're backward and emotional. You have more in common with third worlders.

you don't choose your in-group
Watch me faggot.

Anthony Walker
Anthony Walker

You don't "choose" your in-group.
Lol.

John Lewis
John Lewis

Right
1. Pick a group you don't like (Race)
2. Things will suddenly improve if group X is removed

Left
1. Pick a group you don't like (wealthy)
2. Things will suddenly improve if wealth is redistributed

Henry Moore
Henry Moore

Yes of course. Hayek also believed in social safety nets and the necessity of a welfare state which modern followers of Austrian economics conveniently leave out, either because they are disingenious or because they actually have never read him.

Ian Sanders
Ian Sanders

we've sequenced the human genome
And that’s how we know blacks are as similar to whites as coyotes are to wolves.

Justin Cook
Justin Cook

2. Things will suddenly improve if wealth is redistributed

Pretty much.

Daniel Jones
Daniel Jones

wow, two extremes. its almost like the oversimplified left-right dichotomy has become an exercise in demonization and association with radicalisms rather then a useful way to classify political leanings.

Nolan Perry
Nolan Perry

He was a classical liberal not a communist faggot you absolute degenerate nigger. No one would have a problem with social safety nets if you niggers weren't so fucking stupid and lazy

Liam Howard
Liam Howard

should i talk about le worker coops

Logan Hill
Logan Hill

muh enlightened centrism
These are definitely the worst.

John Johnson
John Johnson

coyotes and wolves are basically the same. they can even interbreed i think.

Xavier Diaz
Xavier Diaz

Funny how most people who self-identify as progressives today fall into the "Right" category.

Isaiah Richardson
Isaiah Richardson

i wasnt trying to make a point here though. just that coyotes ad wolves have a lot in common. and so blacks and whites. coyotes and wolves are still canines and blacks and whites are still humans

Xavier Thomas
Xavier Thomas

You have a tell, your post is full of textbook Marxism. You lazies can't even paraphrase. Kill yourself faggot and stop shitting up the board with your jewish pilpul propaganda

Owen Ward
Owen Ward

right wing thinkers are restricted to an autistic limited logic that doesn't look at the world deeply enough

Benjamin Ortiz
Benjamin Ortiz

shut up white boy
people of color get to talk first and im not done talking

Jace Morris
Jace Morris

no replies

Carson Green
Carson Green

It's almost like progressivism at its core is just another flavor of identity politics. It's almost like we would still live in a capitalist oligarchy even if we replaced some of the oligarchs with women and PoCs.

Andrew Hall
Andrew Hall

Centrism is a word with no semantic value.
You could be extreme on a diverse range of issues {-10,-10,10,10} that average out to 0, or you could be a flaccid milquetoast blob on everything {0,0,0,0} and also average out to 0.

Gavin Allen
Gavin Allen

its almost like two retarded extremes are defining the only two terms to describe political leanings that we have. making everyone look retarded by association with other retards.

Jason Parker
Jason Parker

Brain damage=leftism.jpg

Carson Thomas
Carson Thomas

Wolves can be there times the size as coyotes you fuck

Cameron Howard
Cameron Howard

/thread

Noah Sanders
Noah Sanders

No replies because it's made-up bullshit. The human genome project never proved such a thing. In fact most genetic analysis has shown that there is as much of a genetic difference between certain populations and people groups in Africa than between so-called 'races'.

Tyler Perez
Tyler Perez

Left wing thinkers are god tier super humans capable of processing information faster than my computer. We are so intelligent we must continuously repeat how much more educated and smart we are before every debate we engage in....oh and IQ is not real BTW huehuehue

Ayden Thompson
Ayden Thompson

racial fearmongering is bad
so let's use class based fearmongering instead
eat mushrooms in the forest op
by the way thanks for engaging in the thread and not just leaving the OP, it shows either intellectual honesty or wholehearted trolling, both of which this board prospers from

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Mason Jones
Mason Jones

Samefagging

Jayden Wilson
Jayden Wilson

Yes...and?

Race denial is a political position, not a scientific one.

That's a good reason because it was fucking genocidal and destructive

That a genocidal regime used a scientific fact (race exists) to advance its agenda does not mean the fact is not true. Jews are the most intelligent ethnicity on the planet, by the way, and the Nazis banned IQ testing because they deemed it Jewish.

because we've sequenced the human genome and we know more now than we did then.

We know of several genes that are directly correlated with intelligence they differ between races. If genetic research advances at its current pace, it will not be long before you can tell someone's potential IQ with simple DNA testing, much the same way we now can test for ethnicity.

Yeah because you're cemented in your racial outlook but I would rather live with a modern Somalian than a subhuman like yourself. You guys destroy modern civilization because you're backward and emotional. You have more in common with third worlders.

You're the one spouting emotional insults, bud.

Watch me faggot.

Your in-group is determined by how others see themselves in relation to you. Somalis are clannish and would never accept you as one of them. Ergo, you are not part of their in-group.

Christopher Rogers
Christopher Rogers

and yet they can still interbreed. so whats your point. classifying them as two separate species instead of different races of the same species seems to have been a mistake. if a wolf and a coyote can make a baby together then they are not so different.

David Wright
David Wright

cerebral and sensible
More like emotional and incomprehensible

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Ian Parker
Ian Parker

This is true, but OP didnt ask about right wingers did he? The modern Left cant make any arguments without injecting critical theory intersectional nonsense.

It almost always boils down to an appeal to emotion.

Cooper Phillips
Cooper Phillips

thats a left wing university analysis though

Christian King
Christian King

Typical “I’m too good for Jow Forums. Excuse me while I go shit a thread”
If you’re such an intellectual yet discourse with those so below then you are an idiot to engage in that conversation in the first place.

Grayson Price
Grayson Price

[citation needed]

Gavin Russell
Gavin Russell

Somalis are clannish
Projection and unsubstantiated emotional reasoning.

Easton Barnes
Easton Barnes

In fact most genetic analysis has shown that there is as much of a genetic difference between certain populations and people groups in Africa than between so-called 'races'.

This is true, but it based on a false understanding of what "more variation within than between" actually means.

For comparison, there is more variation between certain populations of chimps than there is between chimps and humans.

Charles Nelson
Charles Nelson

agree. there is more than either nazi or sjw

Ryan Clark
Ryan Clark

Yep. It's almost like if you decrease the "wealth gap" between blacks and whites by adding 1 more black billionaire to the mix, the new statistical mirage doesn't help a single poor black stuck in Shitcago.

Brandon Miller
Brandon Miller

The human genome project never proved such a thing. In fact most genetic analysis has shown that there is as much of a genetic difference between certain populations and people groups in Africa than between so-called 'races'.
Nope. Human phenotypes have more variation than all current breeds of canines.

Sebastian Morris
Sebastian Morris

only with dumb over emotional hippys

Charles Hughes
Charles Hughes

That wasn't a slight against Somalis. All people are clannish and ethnocentric when they have not been brainwashed since childhood to fight their nature.

Joseph Harris
Joseph Harris

You are free to found your own university to disprove decades of scientific findings in modern genetics which have undoubtedly proven that 18th century racial pseudo-science has no scientific basis and remains just that: 18th century pseudo-science.

Anthony Nguyen
Anthony Nguyen

We're quickly approaching game over territory on this argument lad. Some time in the next decade you'll be talking about the morality of correcting genetic inequality though Marxism.

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Ayden Cook
Ayden Cook

Now kill yourself, dipshit.

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Elijah Jenkins
Elijah Jenkins

For comparison, there is more variation between certain populations of chimps than there is between chimps and humans.

That's just straight-up bullshit, sorry.

Aiden Ross
Aiden Ross

Jow Forums has always been a pro-somalian board

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Isaac Kelly
Isaac Kelly

literally DECADES this has never been done before

Benjamin Phillips
Benjamin Phillips

The jews made reading difficult.

Charles James
Charles James

But they are different. They're different species. Race only occurs in humanity because it's insensitive to call each race a species, to do so would highlight the differences and bring out traits of superiority/inferiority.
Coyotes fair way better than wolves in the desert, wolves thrive in cold climates. Can you give examples of ethnic traits? Maybe Kenyan runners? Maybe European engineers? Mexican intellectuals?

Evan Roberts
Evan Roberts

Based and redpilled

Christian Richardson
Christian Richardson

None of these quotes say that 18th century racial categories are valid. No one denies that genetic differences and clustering exists among different people groups, dude.

Brody Hall
Brody Hall

This level of hypocrisy is just fucking off the charts.
I won’t provide sources, but will absolutely implode if you don’t.

Isaiah Sullivan
Isaiah Sullivan

Genders are infinite. Sex is the scientific one, you disingenuous goof-ass.
he says while being disingenuous about literal reality. there's 2 sexes. there's 2 genders. period. if not then you're making shit up to fit your schizophrenic, disingenuous world view

racial category depend on 18th century pseudo-science
he says as lions and tigers are both felines that evolved for hundreds of thousands of years apart from a common feline ancestor to become entirely different species yet can't accept the fact that the white man and nigger evolved separately for hundreds of thousands of years from a common hominid ancestor as completely different entities just as the lion and tiger are

"invading parties", "racial outsiders", and shit that's for teenagers
he says as the most greatest, most wise, stoic, heroic and masculine of men in all human history defended their peoples and nations from invading parties with their blood, sweat and tears, to which we now pay homage to for creating for us the greatest nations known to man instead of rolling over like a beat dog to get racially replaced like you want to like a faggot

Both are two sides of the same coin
one wants to genocide whites. one wants to preserve their kin and people and want jews like you to fuck off out of our countries and leave us alone. but you won't go so we have to genocide you now. nothing similar about those stances at all

this thread is a bunch of kikes. let me get this through your thick jewish skulls. all this pointless kvetching and subversions you've been doing for the past decades, just as you're doing in this thread, just makes people wake up to your parasitism more. this thread has cultivated dozens of new Nazis because anyone with common sense can see that you're all retards. you think you're being subversive but all you're doing is make us hate you more. kikes and niggers. at the end of the day you're all parasites on white countries

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Landon Gutierrez
Landon Gutierrez

and you would reject any findings from my university until they have been confirmed by the mainstream cult of scientism you subscribe to.

science is not infallible. it is corrupted with political leanings, corruption, bias, and human failure.

stop treating science like cult doctrine

Adam Butler
Adam Butler

Have to admit, left-wing political discussions are more cerebral and sensible.
feminists v trans
islam v gays
difference races are equal v affirmative action
milkshakes and mob rage
not knowing that importing the third world become the third world
gay sex in the streets is progress and not degencery
pedophilia
Welcome to Jow Forums raiding phaggot

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Carter Walker
Carter Walker

clearly our words suck
either the races are different species or the races are the same species and wolves and coyotes are different races of the same species. instead we have both so the terms we are using are bullshit.

Gavin Davis
Gavin Davis

Haha psuedo science eh guy?

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Camden Cruz
Camden Cruz

No one denies that genetic differences and clustering exists among different people groups, dude.
clearly you have never visited a leftist university

James Reyes
James Reyes

If you take some DNA samples from people from those 18th century racial categories and run them through a genetic cluster analysis, it'll sort them, with almost perfect accuracy (discrepancies in the cases of admixture), into those same groups. The same groups we can identify with a casual glance. The whole reason these racial categories exist is because they are a product of divergent evolution. Evolution isn't just cosmetic and humans are not immune to its forces.

Mason Hall
Mason Hall

Yeah all of humanity throughout history is wrong because it hurts your feelings.

Eli Martin
Eli Martin

U mad cause you got raped intellectually by this guy

Luke Brooks
Luke Brooks

being empathic with people who would scalp you and rape your family if they had a chance

Jose Cox
Jose Cox

it doesnt hurt my feelings though. im all for reclassifying different races as different species. either we should do that, or we should redefine coyotes and wolves as the same species.

i propose that we define species based on breeding. if two different species can naturally interbreed then they should be considered different races of the same species. but you dont like that because it doesnt hurt anyones feelings

Thomas Kelly
Thomas Kelly

Holy shit, we were right and are just fighting the inertia of leftist idiocy and hubris.

Jaxson Baker
Jaxson Baker

thats hyperbole, only most of them want to do that, not all of them

Juan Russell
Juan Russell

That's really strange since I'm actually inside one right now. How about you try to explain to me how discriminatory policies, exploitation slavery and genocide follow and are justified from a few genetic differences between certain people groups?

Jordan Evans
Jordan Evans

And you end up with 10 additional clusters half of them are from Africa alone.

Chase Rogers
Chase Rogers

its all just fucking absurd
left, right
useless words now, throw them out

now if you excuse me im going to walk south for two blocks then turn east into the nearest convenience store.

Michael Gray
Michael Gray

explain to me how you figure im a genocidal maniac even though i never once endorsed genocide. im not the strawman you think i am

Adrian Richardson
Adrian Richardson

also slavery
fuck you
1% of families in the south owned black slaves. mostly jewish families but im not anti-semitic, just pointing that out because it blow your white people are evil argument out of the water. also blacks rounded blacks from other tribes and sold them as slaves. also whites were slaves in the barbary slave trade and that was a hundred times bigger then the american slave trade but am i crying for reperations from north africa for what they did to my ancestors, no, because im not mentally ill.

Liam King
Liam King

fucking slavery fuck you

Wyatt Cruz
Wyatt Cruz

im sick and tired of being blamed for slavery

Jace Foster
Jace Foster

Because you are an Internet warrior trying to defend 18th century racialist science which was used to justify those policies of exploitation, genocide and slavery? What is your point exactly?

'I'm not a genocidal maniac, I'm just spending my free time time spreading debunked scientific bogus on the Internet that was used and perpetuated by people that sought to subdue and exploit other people groups.'

I'm sorry but what?

Evan James
Evan James

Sage

Jaxson Davis
Jaxson Davis

Because you are an Internet warrior trying to defend 18th century racialist science which was used to justify those policies of exploitation, genocide and slavery?
Slippery slope.
You recognize racial differences so you want genocide!

Carson Baker
Carson Baker

You are not being blamed for slavery. You are being blamed for defending pseudo-science that was used to justify slavery.

Landon Torres
Landon Torres

Why do I find it ironic someone with your flag is lashing out at others for being genocidal MANIACS

James Watson
James Watson

did you miss the part where i rightly pointed out that white people were not the slavers history makes us out to be?

that truth isnt politically convenient for your argument so you just ignore it and go back to blaming white people for slavery.

Angel Sullivan
Angel Sullivan

Nope. That isn't even how the analysis works. You can program as many loci into the analysis as you want, and it'll sort people into even more specific regions, which is how ancestry companies can tell you what particular region of the world your ancestors originated from.

We're at the point now where researchers are identifying the allele combinations responsible for everything from cognitive function, to tendencies towards violence, to everything in between, and finding that some gene expressions are much more common in some groups than others, and that these expressions just so happen to correlate to those 18th century racial categories. As I said, within 10 years you'll have shifted the goalposts onto some new nonsense about correcting genetic inequality because race denial will be indefensible.

Cameron Price
Cameron Price

Science was never used nor needed to justify slavery wealth and perhaps philosophy but not science . Learn your history

Grayson Wood
Grayson Wood

what slavery?
the 1% of wealthy jewish families that owned slaves in the american south? the centuries of whites enslaved in north africa? the blacks enslaving other black for generations. oh no, you mean the imaginary slave trade where all white people owned black slaves and to this day each and every white person profits from it. right

William Powell
William Powell

supporting science, evidence, and facts means you support genocide and other terrible things!

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Nicholas Brooks
Nicholas Brooks

I never mentioned anything about 'white people' before you started that. Every child knows about the Islamic slave trade or that black tribe chiefs sold other blacks for slavery. Again, why are you spending your time spreading 18th century pseudo-science on the Internet that was used to implement and and justify discriminatory policies against people groups? What's the point of all that?

Jaxson Taylor
Jaxson Taylor

The problem with the left is here, they want to claim intellectual and scientific superiority over their opponents as a means of justifying why they are correct but when you push them on race IQ correlations they fall apart because to recognize one race as more intelligent than another would make it inferior and hence incorrect by this same logic. That's how we get these giant leaps by leftist such as "oh you believe in IQ you must be a Nazi . "

Ryan Long
Ryan Long

can we all just agree that individualism is more important then race. that a man from any race can be just as competent as a man from any other race. just that in general there are tendencies towards more people from some races showing certain qualities then people from other races.

thats not racist

Noah Edwards
Noah Edwards

if I call it pseudo-science, maybe I’ll look like I actually have a clue what I’m talking about

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Jack Hall
Jack Hall

because you are saying those ideas justified slavery. and im saying "what slavery" because those ideas are basically white people science and as i pointed out, whites are not historically slavers. thats a myth

Thomas Taylor
Thomas Taylor

What exactly are ranting on about? White guilt is liberal identity politics and us communists aren't liberals.

Adrian Sanchez
Adrian Sanchez

There's a thread about this right over here: jowforums.com/thread/216278023/politics

Ryan Evans
Ryan Evans

Imagine if you were capable to formulate a coherent argument instead of posting greentexting and reaction images.

Aaron Fisher
Aaron Fisher

i dont even know what we are arguing about anymore i just saw the word slavery and i got triggered because whites arent slavers and never were. compared to other races we barely did any enslaving. and the slavery that we are blamed on wasnt even us, it was 1% of the wealthiest families in the american south. and no, im not profiting off that to this day as many leftists insist.

but no, hes not talking about whites being slavers. i just thought he was. so whatever.

Noah Foster
Noah Foster

Would it be inferior though?
If you had stupid but obedient people, they could be succesful in terms of evolution.
You cant measure success just on IQ

Michael Butler
Michael Butler

and us communists aren't liberals.
liberals arent even liberal anymore

the only liberals left are on the right

because clown world

Cooper Gutierrez
Cooper Gutierrez

You aren’t arguing.

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