Germany will agree to open EU accession talks with North Macedonia in September, Skopje has said, but Albania's prospects look less bright. "We are convinced that North Macedonia will start negotiations with the EU this year," Macedonian prime minister Zoran Zaev said in a statement on Thursday (13 June) after meeting German leader Angela Merkel in Berlin.
"Chancellor Merkel informed us that the Bundestag will make a decision in September to approve the start of EU negotiations with North Macedonia in line with Germany's confirmed enlargement procedures," he added.
Serbia needs to resolve the issues it has with Kosovo, Albania and Montenegro first.
Jose Wilson
Albania only has allies from muslim countries. And they are feet kissers for Nato. If Nato wouldn't be involved Albanians woudld stop existing. No being Albano-Turk roach should be mandatory for joining the EU.
>Give me one reason why Germany should not let Macedonia join the EU Because they are muslim countries or at least they have native muslim populations. We should demand they first let the Vatican or the Greek-Orthodox Church convert them.
Henry Brown
Albania is beyond saving. It should be given back to Serbia and Hungary
Joseph Cooper
We are not muslim, we are quite developed for eastern standards (our gross salaries are higher than Russia for example).
I think if we weren't blocked for 30 years we'd be as rich as Hungary or Poland. Now since the name issue was solved , news are reporting foreigners from Western EU are buying apartments here.
In 2011, through a survey carried out by Ipsos MORI, the religious composition of North Macedonia was found to be 70.7% Christian, divided in 69.6% Eastern Orthodox and 0.4% Catholics and Protestants, and 28.6% Muslim, with unaffiliated Muslims making up the 25.6%.[1]
In 2020, Pew Research Center estimates that due extremely low fertility rates, Christians will fall to 55.1% of the country's population (53.7% Eastern Orthodox, 0.4% Catholic, 0.6% Protestant and other Christian denominations), while 43.6% will be Muslim, 1.3% Atheist, 0.2% Jewish, and 0.2% other.[2]
>>Serbia needs to resolve the issues it has with Kosovo
Sure we could invade and murder them all, but do you really want another genocide on the EU soil?
Samuel Garcia
What the fuck is North Macedonia?
Are you serious? Is there a South Macedonia?
Evan Clark
It's been the same since the 90s, albozergs are 1/3 of births, we are 2/3 of births, a lot of them disperse everywhere in the world and this leaves them in perpetual 25% state.
>We are not muslim I know. I just said you have lots of shit with your Alboniggers.
>I think if we weren't blocked for 30 years we'd be as rich as Hungary or Poland. I'm not against Macedonia joining in principle. My father was in Skopje once and told me it's quite nice there. I'm just not willing to have more freedom of movement people coming here. That shit has to go.
Now, which one is true? Is it growing or not?
Isaiah Lewis
>Are you serious? Is there a South Macedonia? >He doesn't know about their shitflinging
I was repeating the official EU position. You need to resolve all your border issues before getting to join the EU. It was the same thing for Croatia.
Anthony Roberts
Quick rundown plz?
Doesn’t exist, it’s just a ruse we use to hoax foreigners.
Jeremiah Martinez
What about East Virginia?
Mason Bell
>I'm just not willing to have more freedom of movement people coming here. I don't know about the other West Balks, but we gain citizenship pretty fast in Bulgaria for EU free movement.
Anyway if all of Macedonia moved to Germany you would hardly notice cause we're based. But I think it will be a pretty reasonable amount dispersed through the entire EU, maybe 50k tops and the rest we'll recover by importing EU retirees and other EU citizens who want to live here.
Landon Butler
Greece is angry because Macedonia called itself Macedonia, the home of Alexander the Great. The Greeks think they are just slavniggers and not Macedonian at all and they shouldn't be allowed to use that name for their country. Thus Athens vetoed their admission to the EU until they change their name. The official name of Macedonia was FYROM: Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia but now after long negotiations the Greeks forced them to change their country name to Northern Macedonia. Now they can start EU accession talks.
Nicholas Wright
The EU needs to be destroyed if you want Europe to be sane and to one up the US
Austin Garcia
>you would hardly notice cause we're based Of course. Every balkannigger running around here tells me they are based. You're not German, that's the problem. I've no problem with you, otherwise.
>I don't know about the other West Balks >maybe 50k tops But I do. I've read newspaper articles in which it is stated that practically 100% of young people in the West Balkans want to emigrate.
Dylan Hughes
Meanwhile Croatia entered the EU with border disputes with Slovenia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and a fight over fishing in the adriatic sea with Italy so thats bs
Angel Ramirez
>poor >gibs countries >we pay more then enough on gibs for poor eastern shitholes >corrupt as fuck >we don't need their laborforce driving our wages down >undemocratic shitholes Thats just in a couple of seconds thinking.
Jackson Martin
>But I do. I've read newspaper articles in which it is stated that practically 100% of young people in the West Balkans want to emigrate.
It's true, many balks try to impress you here going "woo we ain't gonna immigrate with open borders , it's other nationalities" but we will.
What I'm saying is that the impact of that is not gonna be big or noticeable in any significant way. The most eager ones have left already, they don't wait for EU permission.
Many of us work abroad in cunts like Malta, which is weird. But overall none of my friends have left, they seem to like it here with their 700-1k salaries. I estimate if at most 200k (literally 10% of the entire cunt) left for the EU, 50k would go to Germany, 50k to UK, 100k in Southern Europe like Spain, Italy and med islands.
Parker Martin
>I was repeating the official EU position the official EU position is to expand the empire. Don't trust whatever the EU gives for bullshit reasons. When Erdogan dies they'll continue talks with Turkey to join
Asher Wood
Doubt it, there are too many state governments in the EU still opposed to Turkey talks and I doubt every single EU state will swing towards the greens and socialists in the next years.
No you subhuman, it all goes to Bulgaria or none at all
Cooper Rodriguez
The same was said about Romania. The Turkey-EU asscession talks where only stopped a short while ago i believe, and it costs us more than a billion a year. The only good thing Erdogan did was to blow it all up.
Ethan Hughes
Romania was never controversial, never.
Turkey is a different ballgame. They’ll be 100 million people soon and border Syria and Iran. You do see this is a different kind of issue, no?
Kevin Stewart
We just call that Merryland.
That’s one of the gayest things I ever heard, amazing. Thanks.
>Romania was never controversial, never. should have been, they add nothing of value to the EU and only costs us money. I've always said we should never let these eastern shitholes join the EU. And if turkey is really any different, why did we give them more than 7 billion in total for ''asscession'' talks? seems like a waste of a lot of money for a country that isn't going to join anyway
Robert Robinson
congratulations soon you will have 100 million poos and chinks too
Levi Johnson
>doing the jobs that Germans won't do
>What I'm saying is that the impact of that is not gonna be big or noticeable in any significant way. I'm not blaming you. It's our fault. I wouldn't have a problem with temporary visas for - I don't know - 5 years.
Daniel Russell
>doing the jobs that Germans won't do But that's as high as you get in Mercedes corporate short of managers, they let his drawing go to production.
>I wouldn't have a problem with temporary visas for - I don't know - 5 years. It's useless because there's a larger context than simple migration inflow in Germany.
The leaders of the EU are trying to put the last piece in the Europroject by taking in the West Balkans. Then, a shitton of companies will come in, give the locals jobs and bring the standard up like they did in Poland and Czechia. Bulgaria now has 4% unemployment, it's lower than Austria.
You're gonna see Macedonians but think of them as your fellow Europeans. Even Albozergs, they will civilize in due time and we can focus on making the whole EU block prosperous. I work online as any smart guy, and leverage this. If we were in the EU now I could be opening a factory and exporting electric scooters.
Nicholas Young
Give me one reason Uganda shouldn't join the EU, Ahmed.
Aiden Sanchez
Why? You're both middle eastern countries with the GDP of a middle African nation.
Jonathan Turner
Kick us out and have them both.
Ayden Jones
>We are not muslim, we are quite developed for eastern standards (our gross salaries are higher than Russia for example).
That's not hard. Russia is like fucking Somalia in GDP. They're a shithole third world country. But so is all of eastern Europe. And most foreigners just assume you're Muslim because everywhere around there seems to be. You look the same as most North African / Arab nations to us.
>I think if we weren't blocked for 30 years we'd be as rich as Hungary or Poland.
So direct open parasitism will help you grow?
Dominic Brown
Germany is gone. Balkanized. NRWmuslim state DDRjewish state Berlin is Gaza 2.0 already.droping food when? Its like...who wants to join kosovo..come to EU...
Jacob Cruz
>In 2011, through a survey carried out by Ipsos MORI, the religious composition of North Macedonia was found to be 70.7% Christian, divided in 69.6% Eastern Orthodox and 0.4% Catholics and Protestants, and 28.6% Muslim, with unaffiliated Muslims making up the 25.6%.[1]
Australia is almost that much and we're a fucking Muslim nation now. Our police can't police because they get attacked by angry mobs of thousands of Muslims.
Hell not so long back they let a child rapist free without charge because they surrounded the police station and violently attacked anyone coming or going.
Jonathan Morgan
>Pew Research Center estimates that due extremely low fertility rates
>Pew Research Center estimates that due extremely low fertility rates
>Pew Research Center estimates that due extremely low fertility rates
Well spotted btw. It irks me when they peddle propaganda like this.
It's not LOW rates, it's REASONABLE rates. You don't need 14 children.
Nathaniel Myers
Look you subhuman, we're white and in the middle of Europe, it's fucking ridiculous we're not in it in the first place.
Are you jealous you're irrelevant and located in the asscrack of China while we'll be part of the Europroject?
Jackson Carter
Chang....we are gona burn all chinese restaurants also Fuck chink worms
Jonathan Morgan
Do it faggot.
Owen Diaz
Woo. You built some roads. Welcome to the neolithic age, only 65,000 years more to evolve! :D
We believe in you Mohammed. Go little guy, go! Maybe install some plumbing and consider inventing electricity next.
Bentley Morgan
All these shit hole countries can't even spell their own names. Look at Brazil.
I for one welcome you to the European family. Do you also have gypsies over there?
Jordan Collins
>Ever been to West Virginia?
Yeah, the difference between the Virginia's is a name. Not being beheaded by derka derka's in their mud brick houses. :P
Tyler Rivera
If another Balkans country enters EU, the workforce will move to wealthier EU countries like Croats did. It would be a disaster for Macedonia because they're worse off than Croatia and there's less reasons to stay. If slavic Macedonians leave, the country will be overrun by Albanians and we will have yet another Muslim country in Europe. Do you really want that to happen?
Isaac Gutierrez
Ya. That faggot prime minister in Greece let them have that name.
Jace Taylor
Wtf are you talking about, Croatia is doing quite well.
Jaxon Phillips
For the elites in macedonia, that is good, though. They get gibs, they get rid of smart critical thinking macedonians who will be somebody else's problem, and only stupid dumb macedonians too poor and too incompetent will remain in macedonia who will then keep voting for the corrupt elites. And the west ultimately profits as well, because new cheap workforce comes. And even the slightly smarter macedonians working as slaves for the westerners profit from it, because westerner money is so much better.
Literally everyone profits.
And then, when poor people are being dumb and stupid again, everyone gets to blame the European Union, and nothing changes anyway.
Andrew Lee
>Do you also have gypsies over there?
Not really, I'm also interested in this subject because I am curious about rural property.
Here there's like 50k gypsies (2% on the census) and they are all contained in a giant gypsy-ghetto north of skopje called shuto orizari.
The rest of the country and countryside is inhabitable. It's similar in Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Albania, very few gypsies.
The real million-strong gyspy problem army is in the east balkans and Romania/Bulgaria, to an extent in Hungary and Slovakia. I heard it's getting bad in rural Hungary and in Bulgaria/Romania they live in the countryside and murder old people for scrap. Their countryside is not very safe for in habitation, literally every part.
Here it's "cleaner" because gypoids are few and contained, but the West Balkan problem is Albanians. They're not just low-wage workers, but also very Islamic, lowiq and violent/mafia prone. There needs to be a massive culture shift in Albania to turn them into lesser subhumans, and it's gonna take a miracle to civilize them. Maybe money will do it.
Adrian Gutierrez
Well, let's hope things go well for you then. You're very few anyway so your country should see a huge improvement from day 1 once you get in.
Asher Jenkins
It's not going to happen mate, we already have literal open access to Europe. Just like Moldovans can pull out Romanian passports in 3 months, we can also pick up a Bulgarian passport and move to Switzerland now.
I think there's a high iq mindset here, people are trying to lift the country up and get better wages where they're at because they don't have an inferiority complex. We're one of the few in Eastern Europe with positive population growth like Slovenia and Czechia. I personally don't have a single friend (we're all educated here) who works abroad.
Many don't like to admit it but Macedonia is a good place to live.
This. "Macedonia". Literally west-virginia hillbillies of Bulgaria with delusions left over from 19th century wartime propaganda, followup up with NGO money to make them NATOs convenient puppets.
Gavin Taylor
Lol at Romania what? The tatars are almost extinct same as turks. Both dropped by like 10k in pop. in the last 10 years
Ryder Myers
>Finland >3.3
holy f
David Butler
>Well, let's hope things go well for you then. I hope things go well for Germany, well they already went too well, despite the memes on here I've been there a few times and it's literally next-level civilization.
I like Berlin the most from your cities because of the punk-urban vibe and biking culture. When I accumulate enough capital I'll start an e-bike production company and I thought about basing it in Berlin but I think I'll do it here or Bulgaria because the corporate tax is 10% and I can export to the EU directly tax-free.
I hope we develop enough to attract Germans and Anglos trying to get a 2nd home in the South like near lake Ohrid or the mountains, just like Croatia is doing.
Alexander Cooper
>Ukraine is poor and corrupt. Macedonia is far worse lol
Jaxson Flores
>But that's as high as you get in Mercedes corporate short of managers, they let his drawing go to production. It was a joke.
>The leaders of the EU are trying to put the last piece in the Europroject by taking in the West Balkans. I know.
>Then, a shitton of companies will come in, give the locals jobs and bring the standard up like they did in Poland and Czechia. Good.
>You're gonna see Macedonians but think of them as your fellow Europeans. As I said before. I'm not hostile to you guys. But I always thing of Germany and Germans. And we already have way too many permanent immigrants here. Residence needs to be time limited.
>Even Albozergs, they will civilize in due time I don't want to civilize them. I'm an ethno nationalist not a white nationalist.
>If we were in the EU now I could be opening a factory and exporting electric scooters. And I'm not one of those spergs who think the EU is the fulfillment of a diabolical Kalergi plan to miscegenate us. It's an economic project and if it were to respect the nation states of Europe as unique and beautful peoples I'm pretty ok with it, to the degree that I'm willing to pay some taxmoney to keep it together (gibs for you).
Ian Foster
t. Ugabugar
Average Balkan iq:
Roma (Balkan) - 65 Albanians - 78 Serbs from Montenegro - 86-90 Serbs - 90 Bosniaks - 93 Bulgarians - 96 Bulgarians from Macedonia - 97 Croats - 98 Slovenes - 98
Man Georgia,Armenia and Azerbaijan are fucked. Same as Ukrainski but they are Chad's enough to bounce back
Jaxon Lewis
Albania is not even European. Also Macedonia is not a real country so how can we let it in
Jeremiah Rivera
Can you link the source of that map? I wonder what year that is.
Samuel Hall
>Good. I want to add, those "companies" will be really useful for uplifting the bottom-layer of society (the uneducated, the skilless ones) who would otherwise move to work construction in Germany.
Think about it: call center jobs, jobs from EU branches like Ikea/Aldi that don't exist here now, jobs from basically every big EU corporation + high-tech jobs from companies all over the world who want to outsource here but couldn't because we weren't in the EU and they couldn't open an office easy and change staff between here and Europe. There are even outsourcing factory jobs, like Mercedes outsources entire lines to Hungary or VW controls Skoda in Czechia. This is what the EU does for the East, it's giving it a strong influx of capital and increasing productivity as well.
>As I said before. I'm not hostile to you guys. But I always thing of Germany and Germans. And we already have way too many permanent immigrants here. Residence needs to be time limited. Why are you an ethno nationalist? You're smart, so you probably know race > ethnicity. Maybe I'd be for making North European and South European federations, if you are really concerned about the split in Europeans.
>It's an economic project and if it were to respect the nation states of Europe as unique and beautful peoples I'm pretty ok with it, to the degree that I'm willing to pay some taxmoney to keep it together (gibs for you).
True, overall your leaders are not stupid, they are not flooding your countries with Easterners to fuck with you. They have a big geopolitical plan to reinforce Europe's position in the global market and it's economic, strategic and other interests. It's smart, if the East rises to the GDP of the West or near it, the EU will always surpass the USA and China economically. Now it's all on the back of Western Europe.
Xavier Perez
It's from May 2019, we fell off from 600
Jack Barnes
Also Russia has so many sanctions against it. That it can overtake Germany salary wise in less than 5 years if those are dropped
Hunter Allen
You need coast for that bro haha Do you at least have a nice big lake in the mountains? That gets you some tourists too.
>This is what the EU does for the East, it's giving it a strong influx of capital and increasing productivity as well. Yeah, yeah I know. As I said I'm not principally opposed to the EU. It's the right idea at the right time and despite much whining you hear sometimes it actually worked out quite well for eastern Europeans.
>You're smart, so you probably know race > ethnicity. Nope. There is an inherent beauty in Europe in the peoples of Europe. I've travelled quite a bit all over Europe and I fucking love it. I don't want to become the mutted states of Europe.
>They have a big geopolitical plan to reinforce Europe's position in the global market and it's economic, strategic and other interests. Thank you. Among all the bullshit that you hear on Jow Forums about the EU that's a rare gem. As if it was so hard to understand that we live in very challenging times and Europe has fallen behind in many respects to countries who we haven't had the pleasure to meet eye to eye instead of as colonial subjects. The 21st century will be fucking brutal and we need to be prepared. Whether you like or dislike the idea of the EU, it is simply necessary that we combine our forces and get our shit together.
Gabriel Brooks
if this is an average Macedonian it was an utter mistake to include them into our failing union >germcuck again sucking the dick of some Eastern European shithole which will take our money and be a corrupt piece of shit with it like all Eastern European countries
they are not like us, yet you keep treating them like that. Maybe the ruskies raped your women so hard they now rather identify with balkanniggers, but you're germanic..
Nathaniel Mitchell
Its going to be majority albozerg, just like the UK will be majority muslim in a few decades. Id rather just get the macedonians and split it 50/50.
Noah Gomez
>which will take our money and be a corrupt piece of shit with it like all Eastern European countries There is loads of corruption, I agree. But we have a good deal of control over the money. We can have a look and if they waste it or funnel it elsewhere we shut that stream down. That's one of the reasons why so many eastern Europeans are willing to join the EU: they expect better governance out of Brussels than their own rulers.
>they are not like us I never said they were. Read my posts.
>yet you keep treating them like that. I treat them like Europeans in a world that's becoming more and more non-European. If you had a bit of geostrategic foresight you'd be more worried about that than about some slavshits in the Balkans.
>Maybe the ruskies raped your women so hard they now rather identify with balkanniggers, but you're germanic. Read my posts, god damn it. I'm a Franconian first and a German second. I don't need any lectures from a drooling Käskopp.
Leo Carter
>Letting macedonia in the EU
LMao it aint happening its a cesspit of corruption and baby deaths on birth are around the middle ages.
Adrian Powell
>Give me one reason why Germany should not let Macedonia join the EU
>we'll be part of the Europroject do you even understand what you're signing up for? to fill up your country and all other countries in Europe with africans and shitskins?
Christopher Rodriguez
Germany only likes Muslims
Wyatt Richardson
This, with my solidarity to fellow balkanites, dont fucking join the EU. In 2000-2007 period Bulgaria was doing quite good. After joining the EU we rolled back almost 10 years due to the crippling of small business. For your own sake Macedonia, dont do it.
Ethan Baker
>I'm just not willing to have more freedom of movement people coming here. That shit has to go. Every Macedonian that wants to leave for another EU country already did so, because they get the Bulgarian Citizenship for the equivalent cost of a small flock of chicken or 1 goat.
Hunter Hernandez
>700-1k salaries You get 1k salaries per month in macedonia? I'm barely getting 2k, 1.3 k after taxes THIS IS NOT FUCKING FAIR WHAT KIND OF SHITHOLE AM I LIVING HERE YOU PROBABLY EVEN HAVE LESS MUSLIMS THAN WE DO FUCK
Joshua Lewis
>The real million-strong gyspy problem army is in the east balkans and Romania/Bulgaria, to an extent in Hungary and Slovakia. I heard it's getting bad in rural Hungary and in Bulgaria/Romania they live in the countryside and murder old people for scrap. Their countryside is not very safe for in habitation, literally every part. >literaly every part
Not really "every part". Also you dont hear about how easy it is to get a hunting licence here and buy some sovshit double barrel 12. shotgun and join the hunting club (druzhina) to drink and bant all day in the village pub and to send a message to gyps that this property (and village, if druzhina is big enough) is off limits.
Joseph Moore
According to the former Greek foreign minister, George Soros paid a total of 50€ million to Greek and FYROM politicians to accept the "North Macedonia" renaming deal which enables them to join the EU and NATO.
Since the former Greek foreign minister was the architect of the deal, but was kicked out of the Greek government following its conclusion, I don't think anybody can doubt his word.
Doesn't matter now, the deal is done. But it's important to remember for the history books. The next time you hear about people labelling George Soros a boogeyman, remember this.
>because they get the Bulgarian Citizenship for the equivalent cost of a small flock of chicken or 1 goat. That's why I said this freedom of movement thing has to end. There's always some way to make it here. We can decide very well on our own who we need and who we don't and for long and for what purpose. Now, all the fucking gypsies are running around here and nobody is throwing them out.
Wyatt Hughes
Because there is no such thing as North Macedonia. How can you let something that doesn't exist join an international institution?
Henry Hill
How does the deal Benefit Soros? What is his end goal?
Jace Cooper
Did you change your school books yet? If you don't, we still have the right to block you.
Liam Parker
Since 2004 when they let Slovenia in, this is no longer a concern.
Jason Ross
Why didn't you annex them all those years that we didn't allow them to join NATO? You literally speak the same language.
