>"20 million Ukranians starved to death" according to americans and ukranian neo-nazis
>Ukranian population at the time: 29 million
>5 million Ukranians fought in the red army in ww2
How the fuck did they manage to repopulate the population so quickly?
It was a soviet wide famine; caused by weather and Soviet Gold Embargo.
fuck these propaganda kikes. Ukraine is a whore to jew cock.
Nobody exaggerates it to 20 million you god-damned kike. I hate your race and your rampant projection. The angry goyim of the world shall someday rise and slaughter you all.
Well during this famine huge amounts of grain feed were shipped to the US from the black sea and used to bankrupt US farmers, dumb leaf faggot
Why do the japanese cut their dicks?
source.
The grain was payment; because the Soviet Union was barred from paying in gold.
The grain shipments was what caused the famine, in conjunction with drought. However had the soviets not done that, they would not be ready in time for WW2.
The blame for the famines, and the revolution itself rests on the shoulders of the West.... including Sweden; which received gold payments form the USSR, but refused/failed to deliver goods to the USSR.
You're all god dam kikes to me.
For god sakes read a book or two.
Just turn your brain off, everyone knows Stalin killed 80 million people, including all those innocent Germans!
rely on expert opinion... or you could have a look at first sources, and do a survey of the history yourself... but who has time for that...
He did it with his bare hands mind you. The jewish commissars from New York east side had absolutely nothing to do with it.
>krauts, boomers, wehraboos and pretty much everyone else point out your retarded shit
>huh lol mush 566952gazilion victims , see stormfags how i used your joke against you now give me (you)'s
>Jewish family
Every fucking time!
Applebaum was born in Washington, D.C. Her parents are Harvey M. Applebaum, a partner in the Covington and Burling law firm, and Elizabeth (Bloom) Applebaum, of the Corcoran Gallery of Art. Applebaum has stated that she was brought up in a "very reformed" Jewish family.[6] Her ancestors came to America from what is now Belarus.[7] She graduated from the Sidwell Friends School (1982). She earned a BA (summa cum laude) in history and literature at Yale University[8] (1986), where she was elected to Phi Beta Kappa. As a Marshall Scholar at the London School of Economics she earned a master's degree in international relations (1987).[9] She studied at St Antony's College, Oxford, before moving to Warsaw, Poland, in 1988 as a correspondent for The Economist.
Many of the photos depicting the famine that were being pushed around back in the day were proven to be actually from ww1, thats why there are so few photos ever used as evidence in these books.
Almost all the original claims about the holodmor were proven to have connections to nazis, ukranian far right nationalists, and even the american government who used Harvard to launder them and give them credibility.
always the communist kikes pretend that the Soviet Union didn't grow in areal during the years the multiple genocides happened.
>We can't have killed 60 million because the population stayed constant
Well, it stayed near constant while the land areal was expanding massively into populated territories, what does that tell you? Fucking commie niggers you are even more retarded than boomers, burgers and christcucks put together. And that says a lot.
Check the bloody dates when the population consensuses were made and compare it to the land areals of the Russian Empire / Soviet Union at the same time. Just because some nigger has drawn a line between the dates of two population censuses does not mean it was an actual line there you fucking two digit IQ cunts.
Amyone remember the "Srbian Concentration Camps" hoax? The hoax over which the Jewish lead US government started the bombing of Serbian infrastructure, including: schools, hospitals, bridges... Using DEPLETED URANIUM!...
Jews are behind psychology, Propaganda/public relations... they are the authors, the teachers, and the head priest in this "consumerist" society.
relying on Jewish IQ tests, and tape measuring nutritionally determent parameters.
Great job Hans. Why your nation so shit skinned now, if you're so clever?
If there was actual evidence the holodomor happened or anywhere near that number of people starved it would be easy to present. It is not reflected in the population, there is next to no photographic evidence, all the "proof" is based around hearsay from people of incredibly dubious character, literal convicts who went by fake names and were being paid off by nationalists.
It's like live in worlds largest concentration camp, and love the Jews for bombing your family dead...
Was that supposed to be a retort?
>We can't have killed 60 million because the population stayed constant
That was your claim.
And yes, you did, because the land areal expanded massively during the years the genocides happened. Population should've grown manifold, given the general population boom everywhere else at the time, and the additional people absorbed through conquering and occupying their lands. But it didn't. So genocides obviously happened.
You try to retort this 100% refusal by ranting about kike IQ tests and tapes? What is wrong with you nigger? Your ideology is an ideology of hate an anti-European mass murder on behalf of the kikes. That's all it is. Destruction of Europe and non-kikes with above room temperature IQ (unlike yourself)
>In fact, Thomas Walker was a real fraud.... In June 1935, he was deported from the UK and on arrival back in the USA was re-arrested for absconding from a Colorado prison in 1921 for forgery, under the name of Robert Green.
garethjones.org
its supposed to be mine not giving a fuck about your shit race getting blacked into extinction. You fucking tard!
What are you talking about? It's not fucking possible for the population to grow that much you moron. Ukraine had 29 million people in 1930. It had 41 million in 1939. If 20 million people how many would have to have been conceived to make up the difference? And the holodomor did not take place between 1918 and 1929 you retard.
If even 10 million people died in the holodomor that would leave 19 million. That would mean that the entire population of ukraine had to have had more than 2 kids for the population growth to make sense.. in the middle of a famine.. following world war 1.. just how fucking stupid do you have to be to believe this shit
Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience...
nigger not only that, literally a few min google search show that stalin falsified the population census
Personally mind you.
Personally executed polish war prisoners from German rifles.
Hitler = savier of the white race (say the jewish nazis)
Staling is evil devil, did nothing good, don't you dare read his books.
by how many? how could 6 million ukranians die in ww2 if even 10 million died in the holodomor without it significantly impacting the population to the point where the land is literally barren?
i didnt say anything about Stalin you pissskin leaf chink
pointing out that its retarded to deny his genocidal or retarded policies (really a matter of how you look at it) and personally dont hate him but dont like him either ( obviously just check the flag )
>but muh holohoax an nutttttseeeeeesss
i couldnt give a rats shit if it happened or not or how many people died in it
>nazbol?
no but leaning towards it in some regards
we need to first agree on how many died in it since it ranges from 3mil to 7
there were no genocidal policies. the kulaks killed literally half the livestock around the area. they caused the fucking famine.
>genocidal or RETARDED policies (really a matter of HOW YOU LOOK AT IT)
maybe i just worded it badly, and stop jumping from it didnt happen to they deserve it
>In 1928 there were 7.0 million pigs in
Ukraine, in 1933, 2.1 million; cattle declined in the same period from
8.6 to 4.4 million and the number of horses from 5.4 to 2.6 million.28
This not only meant that meat delivery quotas could not be fulfilled,
but it also accentuated what was always a major problem in Ukrainian
agriculture—the shortage of draught animals.
Kulaks were the scum of society
The kulaks didn't kill their own livestock tho. They killed khohol livestock. To preserve their profit margins because collective farms were out competing them and putting them out of business. Their business mode was literally to lend tools to peasants so once the government started doing it instead it was only a matter of time before these retards reacted.
>Ukraine had 29 million people in 1930. It had 41 million in 1939.
Are you really this much of a stupid nigger or are you lying on purpose?
Ukraine had
>35 million in 1913
>25 million in 1921
= massive genocide
Ukraine had
>31 million in 1938
>41 million in 1939
>31 million in 1940
= land areal changing
Massive genocide in the early 20s. Moderate genocide in the early 30s (population EVERYWHERE else grew massively in the 30s. Not in Ukraine, why? Genocide.)
AND the fluke in 1938, 1940, and 1941 is because more land areal (with population) was temporarily added.
AND THIS IS THE DATES YOU PICK TO "PROVE" THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE?
((you))
>Ukraine had 29 million people in 1930. It had 41 million in 1939.
>Ukraine had 29 million people in 1930. It had 41 million in 1939.
>Ukraine had 29 million people in 1930. It had 41 million in 1939.
The worrying part is not that you're a lying piece of shit. You probably aren't. The worrying part is that you commie faglords are actually this mentally retarded and actually believe soviet-era propaganda you're sputing. Fucking pathetic.
YOU ARE FUCKED IN THE HEAD YOU LITTLE MENTALLY DERANGE PIECE OF SHIT AND SO WAS COMMUNISM
niggas like you make actual communists look bad
kys faggot
million in 1913
million in 1921
are you serious? do you know what happened between 1913 and 1921? what event took place?
Kek this fucking thread. Remember guys that the soviet records are completely trustworthy and that anyone who lew the metaphorical whistle on what the soviets where doing was a conartist, supported by (((Nationalists))) or both. Claims they traded their food away and doesn't mention what the traded it for, doesn't see that if it wasn't a commie regime trading all the food away wouldn't even be an option,believes the kulacks caused the famine.
Fucking lefty/pol/, as much as a comedy as eco fascists for sure.
what are you talking about? retards who deny the soviet union are doomed to make the same mistakes. Stalin let his guard down and that's when they took him out and plunged russia into capitalism. Any leftie who denies the soviet union and the attacks made against it is doomed to fall victim to it.
The Great Civil War (1917-1923), an event so important to the Soviet Union that they reset the time and started counting the dates from if instead of the birth of the kike on a stick. The Ukranian deaths during 1919-1922 were far higher than the deaths during WWI, although the latter was also significant.
Now focus back on the important part you sniveling lying piece of shit.
Why did you pick the date 1941 to prove that genocides didn't happen when EVERYONE and their motherfucking cat know that this year 10 million people were added to the consensus?
Why did you pick the date 1941 to prove that genocides didn't happen when EVERYONE and their motherfucking cat know that this year 10 million people were added to the consensus?
Why did you pick the date 1941 to prove that genocides didn't happen when EVERYONE and their motherfucking cat know that this year 10 million people were added to the consensus?
You are a dumb nigger and obviously a lying piece of shit as well. Fucking hell you commies are such subhumans.
*39
lmfao at denying the great civil war and ww1. like those are not the most important events ever. literally changed the history of eurasia from a backwards lawless shithole into a global superpower.
>Why did you pick the date 1941 to prove that genocides didn't happen when EVERYONE and their motherfucking cat know that this year 10 million people were added to the consensus?
I didn't pick 1941. I mentioned ww2 because there is no feasible way the number of people died in the holodomor and then went on to die in ww2. One of them must be false.
(((Applebaum)))
do you know how cascading works? how were so many people able to conceive a population at such a rapid pace even with the added territories? the subsequent population changes speak of a completely normal society. if so many people starved why was the population trajectory unaffected even as literal ww2 was happening?
Wouldnt someone think of the farmers. Looks like capitalist didnt like that capitalist thing the soviets did.
Applebaum.... stopped reading there.
The soviets tried to fucking feed them. More relief effort was concentrated on ukraine than any other region. No capitalist would do that.
You honestly think your records about what happened in communist countries are trustworthy? Its like there was some sort of a cold war m8.
A ви чтo дyмaли?
I was aving a giggle about american farmers who had to compete with soviet prices. Lmao@capitalism.
>I didn't pick 1941. I mentioned ww2 because there is no feasible way the number of people died in the holodomor and then went on to die in ww2. One of them must be false.
>*39
You're such a lying sniveling piece of shit. Picking the one year 10 million people were added to the consensus. Admit you lied.
((you))
>Ukraine had 29 million people in 1930. It had 41 million in 1939.
>lmfao at denying the great civil war and ww1.
That didn't happen. Weak attempt at diverting. Admit you lied, fuckface. The genocides happened.
And seeing as how russia is not currently a colony of germany.. I think Stalin made the right choice with the rapid industrialization
whats your source for 10 million people being added? I know for a fact at one point 3-4 million ukranians were re-classified as russian under the consensus.
Stalin didn't let his guard down, Stalin destroyed everyone who had their guard down and opposed him or threatened his leadership
the 20+ million deaths did actually happen
only an amerimutt faggot would think the way you do
keep in mind it wasn't just Ukrainians that's BS
there were no 20+ million deaths you faggot. it was anti-communist propaganda. most historians who aren't being silenced to this day say only 3-6 million died as a direct result of his policies and even then it wasn't deliberate killing. why do retards like you just believe whatever the CIA says and argues about socialist societies? that it was just the killing fields on a scale of russia? or china? why are you so uncritical?
Russian empire was top agricultural exporter in the world
USSR was top importer because commies killed all people in small towns who wanted to work hard and accumulate money, so commies had noting to eat LOL. Thats why they turned peasants into slaves, but this did not help them a lot.
Today russia, ukraine, kazahstan are top exporters again
Coincidence? i don't think so!
How indeed comrade
Ukrainian nationalists must've counted their livestock too. Those pigs and cows are almost as smart as them, afterall.
Yeah, their argument is fucking stupid. 1860 US census: 31 million. 1870 census: 39 million. Obviously then, by their logic, the civil war didn't kill anyone.
Or: USSR census 1939: 171 million. Census 1956: 209 million. Germans "invasion" was just a mass migration that resulted in industrialization!
Remember the 6 million, faggot.
Never again
>ops we accidentally killed 6 gorillion people
wtf I am stalinist now
you're right there was no 20+ million deaths it was closer to 30
you burger commies are worse than anti-vax soccer moms
>"20 million Ukranians starved to death"
Bullshit numbers, no one ever stated that. The agreed upon number is 7 million. You deserve a bullet disgusting commie
Literal fucking bullshit. Read a book retard. There are literal fucking orders calling for Kurkuls to be killed, amounts of grain to be confiscated, etc. Fucking dumber than Holocaust deniers.
between 3 to 7 million. anyway, 99% of the world dont know about it but everybody knows about the holocaust because this time, something with real value was lost.
Yeah, such a shame we lost Hitler and the great German empire
he is a kike or a kike enabler, they are not know for their honnesty
Population of Ukraine flattened in between 1932 (start of the famine) until sudden spike in 1939 when Stalin annexed shitload of densly populated formerly Polish and Romanian land.
>20 million
who said that?
sauce or gtfo