Add another twist, the supply-side assholes love to justify it by saying that they have all the stress and. Big decisions to make.
But when CEO fucks up and makes bad decision, they don’t necessarily lose their job right away... but lots of lower level employees end up getting laid off because the company lost money.
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>working hard is why you deserve money
you can work 18 hours a day polishing pebbles on the riverbank and you won’t get paid because you’re not creating value for anyone
bingo. this is literally the whole argument in one neat package. thank you based nip
>labour theory of value
>businesses choose to give exorbitant amounts of money to CEOs because they are so generous and kind.
One actually does exist.
That's right, Bigfoot.
Seriously cut their salary in half and raise the wages of your slaves walmart.
> Harder
> Not smarter
Supply, demand, and government-enforced nepotism. May I present to you our Lord and Savior John Galt?
Why? What's the incentive?
Elon Musk
Howard Hughes
Just to name a few.
Bruce Jenner is Bigfoot.
Doesn't Elon Musk work 18 hours a day?
The western countries have a sick problem. And its greed. People in the west are the greediest shits on the planet
If its so easy then just become a CEO then you fucking retard
Not all CEO's are the same.
When you build your own company you deserve it.
The others may perish.
Sure value of work is factor, but unrealistic hyperbole is just shit example, because where the fuck one would even find job to polish pebbles for 18 hours. Because on other hand you have CEO that has no skills whats so ever, whole product that company produces is designed and produced by other people and then this CEO that knows fuck nothing than his golf schehulde with other CEOs decides to "downsize" after hiring consultant that doesn't either understand shit about company and what it needs to keep properly running. This causes company not have enough resources to maintain upkeep of existing products, that starts rolling down hill with quality drops, causing existing customer base to leave and eventually in point of no reverse CEO pulls out of his ass only skill he has, takes big loan and does some moves that makes company look like its good investment (builds facade and shill campaign). Then collects bonuses and leaves. Eventually company just gets sold to some other bigger corporation that may entirely close it down because they find out real state of it.
Order of things may change, but basic gist is that CEO has no fucking clue other than that his contract is armed with good payment no matter how he leaves.
we should replace ceos with unelected oligarchs and party operatives because they never fuck up, right?
>no skills whats so ever
Reminder seething poorfags actually believe this
it's not the level of discomfort one must endure for a job that determines its pay. It's the value generated by the job.
>Hey Mr. BigBusiness we really need your expertise here at Wal-Mart. We'd like to offer you the position of CEO, and to entice you we're going to offer exactly half of your current salary. Interested?
CEO isnt even the owner of the company. They're the chief executive officer. A person appointed to run a company directly. Usually because the owner is thousands of different people.
>1 post by this id
there are exactly 0 other factors in determining a fair wage for work other than the value generated. Unless the employer is engaging in charity employment.
i kek every time a right winger unwittingly defends capitalism then rails against the Jews/globalists/bankers who rig the economy or whatever. They really don't know what they want. They're walking a fine line and are afraid to be called a socialist, so they make Alex Jones-esque retarded comments, like the bankers are socialists or shit like that to preemptively squash any insinuation that they may be economic leftists.
well to deny nepotism as a potential factor is just as retarded as suggesting ceo's have no skills
Using government money to prop up the banks so they can continue lending money they don't have isn't a right wing position, nigger
Bigfoot does too exist.
Does anyone actually believe that all you need is hard work and you become a millionaire? Laughable. No one really believes that, stop peddling that this stupid idea.
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Nature tends to over-reward the least expensive, most consequential source of beneficial action. This is why your brain is only 5% of your body's mass, yet consumes a fifth of your body's resources. It is also why everything you do is done for the benefit of some coiled strings in some of your cells. The reason is simple, but profound: if any organism did not over-reward the least expensive most consequential source of effective action, it would soon be outcompeted by something that did. If you do not pay the CEO that much money, somebody else will.
However, the prices for executives are bloated, and my investigations into why that is have revealed that it is hard to audit the performance of an executive accurately. This lack of information coupled with tremendous feelings of urgency for good leadership causes speculation, which leads to price inflations. At the same time, American wages have been depressed for the same reason they have always been depressed: a conscious effort by economists and capitalists to depress wages. Their thirst for cheap labor knows no boundaries, good or bad. They brought over millions of slaves for cheap labor, they employed children for cheap labor, they imported millions more from Ireland and Eastern Europe, for cheap labor, now they bring over slaves from Latin America for cheap labor, they move to China for cheap labor, and they may even be pushing more and more women into the workplace, for cheaper labor, creating the unhappiest generation of women in our history.
Well I mean it does sorta depend on the definition, on some cases. For some people hard working is some meme-tier welding for 16 hour days and wondering where da money at. For some people, hard work is doing all that handwaving that seems so easy, yet there's probably a reason why everyone won't become a banker-lawyer-president-rockstar.
But yeah I'd say nepotism.
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America's history is one which is intertwined completely with the search for cheap labor. Everything from slavery to illegal immigration has resulted from the thirst and search for cheap labor. I don't see that changing anytime soon. The techniques of propaganda used to justify this search, and the constructs erected despite all moral sensibility to allow and maintain this search will not be destroyed anytime soon. The very same people who want cheap labor also own the news stations which tell you it is moral to maintain a permanent underclass of hispanics who provide the cheaper labor, and to teach miners to code. Family be damned, cultural coherency be damned, ethics be damned: we want cheaper labor.
Does anybody think it is odd that in an era of unprecedented, prolonged low labor force participation (63%!), that the strategy of our economic engineers is to import more and more unskilled labor? The reason is that they will work for next to nothing, not even human rights. Automation has also influenced depressed wages. But the combination of outsourcing and importation of slaves are two deliberate techniques used to depress your wages. If you want to raise wages, I suggest you vote for people that recognize this thirst for cheap labor being behind most of our country's modern issues, and work towards establishing a banking infrastructure and media independent of institutional investors. A banking and media infrastructure independent of the northeastern cabals might introduce some much-needed, ah, diversity into the ecosystem. It may provide a counterbalance to their unfettered looting of this country and detached abuse of its people.
that was more realistic extreme example from other side. Sure what i described is in that case worst case. But generally when companies fall blame is mainly on CEO, because as he is head he should know where shit doesn't click in company. But offsetting thing is that unless CEO does actual criminal shit, from frauds to anything directly company affecting crimes, so as current style CEO contracts have pretty good pays no matter how they leave as long its not for criminal reasons. And actually sometimes due depending if contract has breach clause, it sometimes means even more money to CEO to get laid down than leaving themselves if they just feel they don't feel like it anymore. CEO is literally only job in bigger corporations where you simply cannot land on your own ass unless you do some really really stupid shit. And this is key difference, CEO is contracted to company, not an employee.
I just realized that boxers would look like niggers if they had a human face. Just compare it to the husky, those lips.
Trumps are evil
people always confuse golden parachute mbafag ceos with entrepreneurs. the latter is a blessing to humanity, the former is useless nepotistic parasite shit that should be used to fertilize the tree of liberty.
Yes, also I hate how people who have never run a business think they have an opinion.
Listen I understand the emotion feeling like you do all the work. But stop and consider who is bringing the supplies to make the sandwich. Who actually owns the property or properties that hosts the labor. Then who is making the connections with other businesses and taking responsibility of risks. You have to think of it more like somebody owns something you are using. It just so happens that you are compensated for using their goods.
I do see how ceos are over-payed, but guess what if businesses weren't supported by the government in a closer to true capitalist system and they could fail. People could stop working and buying from them so they need to change or die. In Japan the Ceo of a business willingly cap their pay. But anyways even without that the majority of the money goes back to the business.
I kind of rambled with different ideas but if you are sincerely communist please start a dialogue with me because I feel you are misinformed. It happens but you really don't want that.
nepotism is a form a charity employment.
because their work is worth that offer.
specifically for CEOs, big businesses like to shrug off bad pr by firing their CEO. They'll throw him under the bus to save the company. It happens all the time. So prospective executives negotiate high severance pay to ensure they wont get fired unless they really screw up.
But the specifics of the example aside, the wage and accompanying benefits can only be as high as the value added by their work. You cant pay someone more than that. But you also can't offer 0 dollars because no one will agree to it. Employees and employers negotiate their pay to what both agree is fair.
Sip bip, Mr Nip.
>Employees and employers negotiate their pay to what both agree is fair
imagine believing this
enjoy freshman year at state
>But when CEO fucks up and makes bad decision, they don’t necessarily lose their job right away... but lots of lower level employees end up getting laid off because the company lost money.
This isn't true. CEOs get replaced like every 5 years.
The CEO game is like pro sports. The guys and gals who offer the most value get lots of competitive offers for their abilities and they definitely do work much harder than the 9 to 5ers. You have to work all the time if you want one of those gigs. Not to mention they’re not taking money from other workers. The company operates (or in the case of an insolvent company eventually doesn’t operate) beneath their revenue to create opportunity for growth. The labor of the workers is negotiable and the arrangement between labor and business is voluntary for both parties.
Why can’t anyone understand this? If you hate your job then I recommend starting your own business. Walk dogs or clean houses. Wash cars or windows in residences. Cook food and bring it to your customer’s houses. Make fucking toys with a 3D printer, paint them and sell them on the internet. Jesus FUCK you socialists are limited. When you have freedom and you willingly give it to something that you hate you are sabotaging yourself.
Be your own boss. Quit expecting daddy government to give you something for nothing. No one owes you shit fuckface.
Most people who don't still have parental support cannot afford to just up and leave their jobs, or relocate, and businesses are well aware of this.
It's also extremely obvious that you are insecure and rely on your parents.
>where the fuck one would even find job to polish pebbles for 18 hours
You totally missed the point.
If you’re a brain surgeon with a high rate of success you can basically name your price. His labor is in high demand because people will sell their houses to save their lives
A good/bad CEO is the difference between the company collapsing or not.
...but his board is full of unicorns.
What do you do for work?
>dude polishing pebbles is a bad example
>I will now jump right to brain surgeons
What percentage of people are highly skilled brain surgeons? You are certainly not one.
>Jow Forums unironically defending kike usurers
law clerk
NAH BRO
YOU JUST SPAM SOME SHIT ALOT
then money just like comes in. i saw it on youtube
In that case we are talking about celebrity status, as in certain CEO is wanted by company to partially act as pr, even if it happens that he will be thrown out for pr later on. Meanwhile its really rare to see company to specially want exactly someone to fill certain job, except in somewhat smaller companies where CEO actually knows his stuff and knows what company may need and is getting someone with right skill to fix it. Where wrong answer is always to hire management layers to hide responsibility that is most alarming signal that CEO no longer has clear picture of company. But of course depending on company size some amount of increased management is needed. So one could say that most capable CEO is one that can run company successfully with minimal/optimized middle management that knows what its job is to handle their specific task so they wont slow down or stop work (meaning they need also get more resources if needed), because that part is another not directly producing anything sector of company. Only exceptions to hiring rule are when companies are finding themselves in deepening shit and need to advertise some other way that they are viable company to undermine competition. Like how intel rises lot of news how they hire former AMD employees. But why they should do so if AMD is inferior company? Again just pr. which only is taken in by idiots.
What are we arguing about here? You’re biting my head off for literally no reason. What examples do you suggest I make? Your not even offering anything to the conversation.
Just quit.
> Nobody else will offer me better conditions.
Just start a company on the side.
> Too much work / risk
Then that IS how much you're worth.
You have the option, any day and at any time to pack up your things and quit. You, by definition, accepts whatever has been offered for your labor and your mind.
T. Self-employed toilet cleaner working @ about 25$/hour with tax deductions all over the place.
>But when CEO fucks up and makes bad decision, they don’t necessarily lose their job right away
Correct, because suing a CEO and his personal finances is illegal thanks to the intervention of government policy, and not single government offical(expect in the Libertarian camp) will lift a finger, lest they incriminate and open themselves and their colleagues to a similar fate.
YOUR SOLUTION,is that we give more power and rights to those select few at the top.
>biting my head off
Don't be so soft, faggatron. Employment law has been slanted heavily against employees at an accelerating rate for a few decades now. The idea that a company - especially a large one - and a potential employee of average skill (not low skill, average) have the same bargaining power is absolutely laughable.
How much you get pays has nothing to do with how hard you work and everything to do with how much value you generate.
Let's see - I have 20 years invested in my company's growth and existence, I have my entire financial well-being on the line, owe about $100k to creditors to ensure I get through my slow season, lose sleep many nights worrying about how to keep things going during tough times, have to update our website, have to order from vendors, have to decide the future course we take, have to come up with marketing plans, have to stress about every fucking detail and even have to take out the fucking trash when everyone else fails to do it, but sure, I'm no different than the person I employ to pack boxes, we're EXACTLY ALIKE AND TOTALLY INTERCHANGEABLE AND THEY COULD DO IT ALL IF I GAVE THEM THE CHANCE, AMIRITE?!?!?
It’s not about how hard they work, and that goes for everyone. It’s about how important you are to the company. So I can hire someone off the streets and tell them to scrub toilets. But can I hire someone off the streets for my accounting department? The accountants don’t work harder than the toilet scrubber, but the accountant is more important.
We can pretty easily go over the general duties/skills for executive officers at any company. There is still a lot at risk with being at the helm of the company, but I agree, some of these skills are literally, not rocket science.
Also, you might be more disillusioned with bureaucratic management than the CEO title specifically.
"Accepting" something =/= it was fairly bargained for, which was the original assertion.
$25/hr as a toilet cleaner...serious doubt. By your own logic, why wouldn't anyone just go hire some spic for 1/3 the wage?
>t. I have no idea what a ceo does
Those things only apply if you run your own company single-handedly.
Retard
The amount of money and time that gets wasted by women trying to implement shit they read about on facebook is genuinely fucking sickening.
Spoke to a friend that works as associate counsel for a company, they changed 'maternity leave' because it was offensive. It probably cost $50,000 in wages between all the women they had working on it.
How many companies have you built faggot? Currently risking all my savings on starting a company, knowing full well that 90% of new businesses fail. You on the other hand bitch about people who have done what you haven't the balls or drive to even attempt.
Is agree it's abhorrent, the solution isn't communism, but rather nationalism with a bit of noblesse oblige thrown in.
The problem with global economy is the elite are no longer accountable to anyone and can just pack up and leave when shit hits the fan. They don't even have to pack, since they probably already have furnished properties in another country.
We need CEO's and workers who actually want to fight for our nation and improve it on every way instead of figuring out how to squeeze more blood from a stone.
Company doing what? And what did you do to build the capital in the first place?
Where did I say that the relationship between employer and (average) employee is equal? Why are you mad? I’m making broad generalizations. You have yet to even offer an opinion. You realize how ignorant most people are about unions and their rights as workers? The majority of the imbalance comes from ignorance. Corporations have larger resources and expertise than an individual. That doesn’t mean that you can’t start a company (at great personal risk) or organize labor. I never said the outcome was guaranteed. Do you have a job you’re unhappy at? Are you not doing what you want to be doing?
Uh, I'm pretty sure we aren't talking small business owners here.
I just want to address the thread to get back on course. Yes, there is inequity between labor and business. What do you suggest be done about it?
I'm not mad, 3 of my last 4 posts had opinions in them, the majority of imbalance comes from the current state of the law, having too few resources does mean you can't start a company, my job is ok but not great
We could expel the jews for a quick, dependable starting point
Hey, faggot, I'm the CEO of my small biz. Maybe you just need to stop sucking so much dick and man up instead of shitposting as if the only people "at the top" are in big companies.
I'm still CEO, faggot. Maybe I don't wear a suit and sit in a boardroom all day, but the fucker who does is worth a thousand times more than the person who cleans the toilets. This isn't hard to understand if you stop being a commie faggot.
you poor idiot
you are going to get yourself shot come the revolution while covering those billionaire assholes escapes fully believing you are one of them.
i'm sure you are little fella
They have hundreds of times the culpability though.
Manufacturing consumer packaged goods. Living dirt cheap in a tiny apartment, no vacations, no eating out, driving a 27 y/o car, and saving my pennies for two years.
This is simply not true
The CEO has 361x more responsibility than the janitor. Just because you’re working hard doesn’t mean you’re producing.
>Manufacturing consumer packaged goods
Do you care to be more specific? How do you compete with Amazon?
CEOs go to jail. Pleb just fucks shit up and then rats on everyone.
>We are all equal :)
user at first I thought you were serious than I realized it was satire.
Kek
CEOs don't go to jail for fuck ups, that's silly. If you mean to say there's more opportunity for them to commit crimes, that's fair, but that's not the same thing. Fraud =/= a mistake, and little people go to jail for that too.
>if you arent sweating from your pits moving shopping carts around you have no skill!
fucking retard lmao, i bet you are autistic
It's unfair, but hey nobody said life was supposed to be.
If you’re not cheating you’re not trying. Enron was genius. Ripping off Californians and getting away with it for a long time. If the little guys didn’t get to cocky and the accountants were better they could have kept that scheme going forever.
Rather not. At present, the competition that exists within our category on Amazon is awful. We intend to be a clear winner in the category by doing everything as best as it can be done.
Well, best of luck to you
Yeah are you making 360* your lowest paid employee?
Probably not, so shut up were not attacking you. We're talking about the absurd salaries of CEO's who have no sense of social responsibility.
CEO here, I don't make 361 times than my employees. These retards that think we all make all this money is ridiculous.
Labor-based concept of value is for drooling nation destroyers. You don't get paid for how hard you work, you get paid for the value you bring to the operation. If the market operated by labor-based value, it would be an antimeritocracy: you would get paid more for a task because it is difficult for you, while a person with actual talent or skill in that task would be paid less. Recipe for immediate collapse.
Sure they are. Instead of attacking the 1%, they blame all CEO's and bosses. This is a known commie tactic that has been in use for decades.
maybe i am, but no can do.
Most of my "colleagues" are spices, and the CPEEP (.Gov.qc.ca, I believe) sets the minimum wage at 17.60$ (Actual min. Wage is 12$ here, as a comparison). And I'm refusing contracts.
Technically not an hourly rate, but payment negotiated for the job being done, and the ratio set by Jan-Pro is at about 25$ per hour.
I regularly earn upward of 30$ an hour, but not today as I'm wasting time on this reply. And of course, I do not simply wash toilets.
> CPEEP prevents recruitment.
> Need entrepreneurial spirit
> No back-up
> Extra paperwork
> Work is not fun nor glamorous
You bet it's 25$/hour.
> employee
> paid to perform a stupid task here and there
Vs.
> CEO
> tasked with overseeing the operations of thousands of employees within a massive multinational organization
Also, you just suck at bargaining AND are a poor bargaining chip to begin with. Use your resentment as motivation to become something more.
Or move to Commiefornia, enjoy the temperature, and suck on those gibernment tiddies. Uncle Sam has you covered, and you'll indirectly live on that CEO's payroll without doing shit.
> Who is John Galt.
So close to being a "Magic NPC".
>ceo that has no skills what so ever
and im sure you could fill in the shoes of a ceo then because they require no skills