Sir (((Winston Churchill)))

Reminder this man is arguably the sole reason for Hitler not being able to focus on beating the communists and saving his country.

Reminder he refused to even listen to peace offerings.

Reminder the Germans never bombed any civilians directly until the 1940s and it was most likely by accident and Churchill retaliated with massive targeted bombings of civilians.

Reminder in his own words he was a Zionist.


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And no one ever tells you the fucked up shit he did like starving millions of Germans in WW1 when the war was over. This fucking kike makes me seethe beyond belief.

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fuck this fat alcoholic bastard faggot traitor
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He also tried to use gas attacks on the Germans in WW2 and he was a belligerent drunkard to boot.

Even the scum FDR didnt like him

he was indeed a fat, drunk and arrogant cunt.

‘On this account we look toward Russia, because she sooner than anyone else will accompany us on the path to socialism. Because Russia is the ally given to us by nature against the devilish contamination and corruption of the West. With embittered anguish we must see so-called German statesmen destroy bridge upon bridge to Russia and this anguish is great, not because we love Bolshevism and the Jewish supporters of Bolshevism, but because allied with a sincere nationalist and socialist Russia we recognise the beginning of our own nationalist and socialist assertion.’
‘We shall and must eternally reproach the German bourgeoisie that has allowed itself to be degraded by the few high financiers, who in reality are the sole cause of the struggle, into slaveowners ans bullies of the stock-exchange dictatorship.’
– Goebbels, Die Zweite Revolution

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>he was indeed a fat, drunk and arrogant cunt.


Its marvelous how much damage one man can cause, presumably it was mainly his doing. It seems like others were willing to at least engage in peace talks.

Just want to point out Germans did bomb civilians directly befor 1940 in the first qpuld war. Also navly bombarded small coastal village's.

And ya, no like Churchill.

I am surprised to hear that. I had assumed they wouldve passed Russia off as a lost cause by nature of the Bolsheviks alone. What couldve been I wonder with different leadership in Russia

That was the US in ww2, after they changed POW to Disarmed Enemy Forces

Not everyone in the party or govt agreed with Goebbels. He came from the more working class left faction of the Nazi party.

I have some sympathies towards more socialist national socialism though I can't say I agree with all of it.

Doubtlessly markets the world over have been corrupted by the jew though.

In hindsight it wouldve been better for the Germans had they not had to fight them though. But I imagine had the UK signed a peace treaty then the Americans never wouldve got involved , pearl harbor wouldnt have happened and the Nazis wouldve had a chance versus the Russians and probably won.

The US was sanctioning and playing market warfare with Japan befor the war in Europe got underway.

Theres a big step from that to pearl harbor and all out war. Also I dont know of that so I can't speak to it directly.

It's worth noting that with Pearl Harbor Germany declared war on America first, strangely... With regard to the UK, doesn't help that Ribbentrop, the Reich's first foreign minister, was a hopeless incompetent. He lied to Hitler a lot before the war and made it seem like he was making progress when really his gaffes were deteriorating relations between the UK and Germany. He gave Hitler the false expectation that the British were fine with the invasion of Poland, and so Hitler was genuinely shocked when they declared war.

Do you have any recommendations for good content to learn more about this? Preferably from a non biased source, though I know thats so hard to find.

I'm tired when I watch anything its always "Nazis bad"

>It's worth noting that with Pearl Harbor Germany declared war on America first
That's because America had just declared war on Germany's ally Japan.

Its why attacked. US cut of a lot of vital Japanese supplys, there plan was to sink your fleet in harbor and go imperialism the supplys they needed.

Would it have come to that if the Brits made peace in the 40s though? I'm doubtful

What do you mean imperialism the supplys

Take land if the Pacific for supplys they needed. Was getting so bad that if they didn't act, thier contry was going to go under.

I find it's better to read a wide berth of POVs and to critically analyse and compare all of them than struggle to find the most objective source possible. The best historians admit their biases. The main historians I've read on WWII have been AJP Taylor, Joachim Fest and John Lukacs; a socialist Englishman, a conservative Catholic and a Jewish-Catholic reactionary, respectively. Lukacs is probably the most impartial and the most up to date, surprisingly. For a Jew who almost died in a Nazi Hungarian labour battalion he paints a pretty sympathetic picture of Nazi Germany at times, he can probably get away with it better than goyim. Fest is more bitter about Nazism, but he's a good researcher and analytic. Some of the sources he uses are a bit questionable in the light of recent scholarship so look the stuff he's quoting up. Taylor, despite being a left-winger and the only non-German I've mentioned, is also the only one to make the case that WWII wasn't Germany's fault, but Britain's.
Germany had broken diplomatic promises before. They had no obligation to sacrifice themselves for the sake of Japan's fuck up -- a tactical disaster. It wasn't like Japan had been attacked suddenly by a hostile force, Japan was the aggressor.

Do you have any recs to read or watch about this? Ive never heard of this

So even among some of the more mainstream sources the idea that Britain was largely to blame is fairly common?

It depends. It's a minority view but there's a lot of mainstream historians who have held it. "The Origins of the Second World War" is where AJP Taylor lays out his argument against the prevailing view that Hitler/Germany was responsible for/wanted WWII.

I don't have anything inparticular, but it comes up in just generally trying to learn about the Pacific theatre.

Id say a good place to start is read up on what happned in the Pacific befor the US got involved, and keep in mind obvious bias of information from both sides.

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I'll look into that

Maybe the book mentioned by the Australian user has something about it.

"Greatest generation" aye

Winston would have figured out some way to dupe or coerce Roosevelt into going to war anyway. He did it to drag the US into the First World War, he would do it again.

I know even less about ww1. I didnt know that

Damn Churchill really was a piece of shit

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