How many "Beefcake Nazis" aka left and left-center National Socialists are on this board? They hated the Jews for the same reason Karl Marx did, and if you ever read his book "On the Question of the Jews," you'd realize Marx hated the Jews, but mainly because of animosity toward his mother. Marx personally disliked religion, but one of the few classically liberal positions he maintained after childhood was freedom of religion, so he hated Jewish culture. He was a bit of a flip-flop on the idea, so how much he wanted to abolish religion yet was willing to tolerate religious diversity can be debated here.
Marx's hatred of the Jews had nothing to do with ethnicity, the same as Strasser, and it had nothing to do with actual religious belief. Strasserists were the left-wing of the NSDAP that got BTFO'd in end. They were the Marxist socialists of the National Socialists. Yes, of course, Marxism is not the only school of socialism, and what survived of the NSDAP made that abundantly clear.
So who here is a National Socialist but considers themself to be left-wing, and why? Where are my Strasserists at?
I'm not into Strasserism myself. I'm just looking to learn more and hoping to better understand it. I'm hoping some anons on here can give me a better understanding of what it is about.
Wyatt Jackson
I'm a center-right libertarian. A hurr durr. I know I'm a faggot. Get it out of your system. It doesn't mean I don't want to learn about or better understand the political beliefs of others. I wouldn't have started this thread otherwise.
Come on, there has got to be some of you out there, or at least someone who wants to discuss it past stating "commie" and leaving.
Ryan Johnson
Just know they were purged from the party and Strasser was called an intelectual jew by the Führer
Carter Wilson
I came to Jow Forums for a drunken intellectual discussion regarding some esoteric branch of national socialism. For fucks sake, this is literally the only place where that can be done. Oof. Where the fuck is everyone?
I'm well aware of that. But why did Hitler choose to purge the left of the party and not the right? He clearly had trouble with the right in years to come.
Noah Wood
Would Hitler have been better off purging the right of the party instead of the left?
Easton King
>muh obscure lesser known version of natsoc is the true answer to me this is just cringey and faggoty gonna be a yikes from me
Jaxon Thomas
This infuriates your typical left-wing progressive. B-but he was racist, and that's far-right! Whatever your definition of "racism" is, it is a mistake to believe that racism is indicative of the right or left, and believing it is right or far-right means you have whole-heatedly gobbled down on some propaganda.
I'm not asking for people who advocate it, although that would be great to better understand why they do. I just wanted a discussion on the topic. It's interesting.
Michael James
Some of us here are actually open-minded and want to learn how and why other people think the way they do.
Kevin Parker
Come to my thread, faggots. Someone here has got to be yearning for a drunken debate at midnight. I'm going out for a cigarette. For fucks sake, I son't want this thread to die. I want to have an actual discussion about this.
Josiah Young
Hitler was right to purge them. Their ideas were flawed and primitive.
Hudson Clark
People have already fled en masse thanks to constant shilling etc I'm just hereto shitpost before wörk
Dylan Martinez
Problems of strasserism: Constant crises, being class collaborationist, considering deporting all person of [X] race and or just letting them stay a part of the native culture is of the same status, being pro- medium businesses. Ok so as strasser says "property makes free" and middle and small businesses are to be allowed to exist and to be created (even though under Heavy guidance of worker's councils) and only the big monopoly corporations are to be nationalised. This means that a strasserist revolution would be a revolution of the petty bourgeoisie. And with small and middle businesses being allowed to exist and as it is a characteristic of capital to get concentrated sooner or later, this petty bourgeoisie will become bourgeoisie ( i am aware that there would be heavy deproletarization but class contradictions would still exist). The small businesses will get swallowed by the medium ones and then it will grow on to become as big as big corporations So what is to be done? Why would you allow the petty bourgeoisie to grow into full scale bourgeoisie by extracting the surplus labor value of the proles(although the extraction of surplus labor value would lower than in under Capitalism) So the solution would be a second revolution and will result in the slaughter of the emergent bourgeoisie
Luke Stewart
So in that case, why wouldn't you just seize all the means of production in the first place and let this problematic cycle of revolution every few decades removed? With revolutions becoming more common, the odds of a Capitalist counter revolution would grow And then option 2: The newly emergent bourgeoisie will be allowed to exist side by side with the big government nationalised corporations. With worker council regulations we can see that the at some point in time, the difference between the corporations of the state and private corporations will blurred as the private corporations will seek profit but also general welfare cuz of regulations but as they will be open to foreign investment but the state corporations will not, we will see that profit will also become the most important goal of nationalised gov corps and then: We will experience a dystopian blur between the state and the bourgeoisie. Both will have to create profit while ensure welfare And with worker councils in power (without the bourgeoisie removed), the bourgeoisie can infiltrate the councils and it will no longer be the target of the councils to maximize social gains. The state will also serve the bourgeoisie Just like in under Capitalism So either paths of strasserism will lead to a usual Capitalist crisis During a recession , the capital will get concentrated and therefore a wave of right wing fascism will emerge. It's inevitable. The only solution is state Socialism why not seize everything in the first place? Why allow the petty bourgeoisie to exploit the proles(even tho on a somewhat smaller scale) and grow into the bourgeoisie? Inheritance of private property would still be a thing so billionaire dynasties would still be a thing therefore it would NOT be a meritocracy.
Austin Reed
Fuck off. This forum is about making nigger jokes
Asher Gutierrez
Too bad all the warmonger and liberal jews are fucking secular.
David Martin
Alright. Here we go. An actual discussion. Please elaborate, user.
Aaron Russell
There's a time and a place. We can have serious discussion here, too.
Cooper Evans
Thanks for the input, reading now.
Jose Phillips
I need a minute to digest everything you wrote, but thank you, this is the discussion I was looking for.
>surplus labor value Where do you stand politically? You obviously understand Marxist economic theory. I was a Marxist in my younger days, but one thing that turned me away was the absurdity of Labor Theory of Value. It's a comically overly-reductionist attempt to assign an objective standard to value.
Jaxson Diaz
I myself oppose capitalism and imperialism. I do not consider myself a Marxist or communist, but I do believe there's value in the writings of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin and other related figures.
I don't consider myself an expert on these topics either.
Lucas Sullivan
You've obviously done your reading, though. I disagree with Marx, but I have this fondness for him I can't quite describe. I feel like he and I would be friends who would get into drunken arguments, and Marx loved both to drink and argue.
Henry Russell
Das Kapital is still one of my favorites. Engels wrote most of it from the notes of Marx, but I have to wonder how much of it is 100% Engels. Honestly, Engels was the better writer, and many of the novel ideas attributed to Marx actually came from Engels.
William Green
How can you be a fan of Marx and a National Socialist? Hitler literally started the cultural marxism meme
Strasserism could work for some smaller, more communal peoples, but European nations require a natural hierarchy.
On the topic of Jew-hate, I feel that most dislike the Jews as a group and certain Jews as individuals because of their behavior in their interactions with non-Jews or Jews who publicly criticize other Jews' behavior. Their personal beliefs, whether or not these are precursors to their behavior, often insult the dignity of non-Jews, and thus compound the disdain some feel for them.
I believe there is value in most all intellectual endevours, I spend more time reading material I disagree with than I agree with. It's no fun, and I have nothing to gain from reading material I'm simply going to nod my head and agree with. I want to know why other people believe different things than me. I want to know how they make sense of it. I want to know their perspective. I feel sad for the left because they used to own open-mindedness, but all that is gone now.
Jack Williams
I like to learn. That's about it. I'm not a National Socialist. I already stated I'm a center-right libertarian.
Sebastian Brooks
Reminder that Mussolini was a member of the Italian Socialist Party before he became il Duce.
It's not about republics. It's about whether nationalism is a localised socialism / humanism
Carson Walker
>But why did Hitler choose to purge the left of the party Goebbels was literally a Russiaboo socialist. Doesn't get much more left than that.
Hudson Baker
Well, if you're going to have a hierarchical society that doesn't threaten to tear itself apart every few generations, there will have to be compromises between classes.
Logan Hernandez
True, but nationalists don't even attempt to restrain the underclass, they actively promote its increase in numbers. They fight for quantity, not quality, because they have a sentimental attachment to folk / prole culture in their country.
Noah Parker
>it is a mistake to believe that racism is indicative of the right or left, and believing it is right or far-right means you have whole-heatedly gobbled down on some propaganda >A political axis that is primarily focused on the degree of equality between individuals is unrelated to the belief that a certain group of people is inferior or superior to others Fuck, libertarians are all retarded autists.
Joseph Nguyen
Libertarianism was started by Jews. Ann Rand Murray Rothbard Milton Friedman
Michael James
This. Even rightwing nazis were actually social security faggets.
