A buddy of mine watched this film for a Sociology class in college, and I personally thought it was pretty good.
But what does Jow Forums think? Is this movie blue or redpilled? Do you think Ed Nortons character goes back to being a hardcore racist after (spoiler) his kid brother gets shot by that nog at the end?
Really interested in hearing about an opinion on this movie that's more nuanced than a female college professor's.
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so funny to see the results of it too
>"that boy gave up being racist and that NIGGER killed him!"
t. my highschool gf
>Do you think Ed Nortons character goes back to being a hardcore racist after (spoiler) his kid brother gets shot by that nog at the end?
this was literally the original ending of the movie until the (((studios))) made them change it.
alright movie, but its dumb that he stopped being a nazi after meeting ONE alright black guy in prison. like I'm sure most of us don't think that literally every single black person is absolute shit but that doesn't change the fact that they are inferior
Very bluepilled and kinda dumb but at some points it becomes very redpilled
his dad talking about how blacks were being given firefighter jobs over whites because of affirmative action redpilled me
i watched it so long ago i don't remember much. I think it very intentionally painted neonazis as white supremacists and uneducated people acting out of fear. It's really just a movie about gangs in poor areas. It doesn't matter where you're from, when you need protection, you find people like you and stick with them. It might be "accidentally redpilled" in the sense that it shows that by seeking to assert supremacy over the niggers, you quickly end up acting just like those niggers, and the way out is to be civilized.
also heil smoochy
around blacks, never relax
needs a remake
Death to smoochy was underrated movie. One of my favorites
yeah i'm pretty sure that fucking retards can't understand that obviously not all individual blacks are terrible, it's the collective, hell i've met cool black dudes, but that doesn't change my opinion on the collective.
If niggers would have just been spread out all over the US where they were a tiny group of every community, they wouldn't be a problem, but noooo the buttfucking dixie retards had to fucking all mash them together in one place where being a collective is super easy
surprised that hollywood made this, not surprised they made and ambiguous ending
It does paint them that way, but it also makes it seem like there's a clear difference between Ed Norton, who is q generally intelligent person taken in by Neo-Nazism due to the tragic death of his dad, mixed with some of his dad's views and mixed with brainwashing from a dude he considers a father figure, versus his fat friend (don't remember the name) who literally sings about bathing in nigger blood, whos just a fat idiot.
This is the correct answer.
Fpbp.
frens frens we all have frens
But he also stops being one because the neo nazi's he met in prison were doing deals with black dudes, which violates their ideals, but then they rape him for hanging out with that black guy. So he's got more than one incentive to change.
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what is this I love fucking niggers day?
talking about political correctness in 1998. pretty based
>Muh neo-Nahtzee redemption story turned tragedy
>Don't be wacist, goy!
Playing upto the Hollywood manifestation of the ebul Nazi, it's pure propaganda trash.
But again, the movie is ambiguous as to whether or not the main character goes back to his beliefs at the end. So it's not a COMPLETE propoganda film. I think it has a lot of nuance.
But the movie ultimately fails as a redemption good goy story.
Best movie ever imo, but I’ve only ever watched the first half.
Based highschool gf
The movie shows that white people have the ability to change whereas niggers are always violent.
Lol had a similar incident with my friend. Except he just shouted NIGGER! At the top of his lungs. Good thing those college dorm walls were thick.
>But the movie ultimately fails as a redemption good goy story.
How do you know? You don't know that since it ends after his brother dies, the director done this on purpose to showcase that Edward Norton's character now has to live with the actions of his past and how he subsequently influenced his younger brother into following in his footsteps.
>So it's not a COMPLETE propoganda film.
It pretty much is. Oy vey goy, don't be a wacist or else your brother will get killed by niggers.
I saw this shit in the theater. I'm old.
>Oy vey goy, don't be wacist or else your brother will get killed by niggers
Exactly. The fact that that last bit is even in the movie proves the film isn't completely tipped to one side. Most films about racism would NEVER end with a characters prejudices seemingly being justified at the end of the last scene. Its better than fucking Get Out, that's for sure.
It would've been a generic movie about overcoming hate were it not for the ending. The ending only reinforces that the older brother was right about what he originally said.
Didn't the nig shoot the brother because he blew smoke in his face?
Lol yeah. And not even at the time, but the previous day, I believe.
>Most films about racism would NEVER end with a characters prejudices seemingly being justified
I'm not convinced that is what they were going for with that scene at all, I think you need to re-watch it if that is your interpretation because you're applying your own political convictions to your interpretation of it. If you re-watch the movie again you will see that Edward's younger brother is slowly influenced by him more and more and in the bathroom scene at the end he is antagonistic towards the nigger kid, Edward's younger brother was angry and ultimately was shown to provoke the situation which was unusual for his character and that is how it was meant to be portrayed, that he was influenced. I don't believe the main message was that he became a good goy and then realised that all his prior prejudices were infact correct, the message was intended to be that his words and and actions influence those around him, especially those that he holds dear, evident by the horror on Edward Norton's face at the end.
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>A buddy of mine
fuck off normalfag
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Also adding credence to what I've just said, I forgot to mention he was also amped up after he saw his brother go to prison for what he felt was an unjust reason, he expected his brother to come out more Nahtzeeeee than ever which wasn't the case as he met that nigger in the prison and somehow changed his ways and blahblah, but meanwhile his younger brother was already set on that path to follow his older brother and was influenced with the guy I think who was portraying Tom Metzger or something, much to Edward's characters dismay when he was released. Again, the intended message was that his actions have consequences not only for himself but for his loved one's too, especially if you are able to influence people.
>implying your own political convictions to it
Not mine. I'm actually not a racist by the technical definition, but I'm not falling for all this lefty bullshit about minority victimhood either.
>That's not what the were going for
Literally does not matter. In the context of the story, The older bro gets out, after just denouncing his prior prejudice AND teaching his little bro to reject it, only for a very stereotypical gang-banger nog to kill him. Now considering a big part of the reason Ed Nortons character hated black people was because his father died fighting a fire in a black neighborhood, it's highly unlikely that his brother being killed RIGHT AFTER he denounced racism isn't going to make him question his new philosophy on life.
Might not have been the intention, but the art has a life away from the artist.
*applying not implying. Lol
>Literally does not matter.
100% does, especially if that is how most people interpret it. Majority of your argument relies heavily on conjecture, I think you are being dishonest here and are applying your own political sentiment to your interpretation of the movie, but whatever. Regardless how I feel about the movie or the themes behind it, the intended message was quite clearly to demonstrate the 'moral of the story' is that your words and actions have consequences, as I said, especially if you are able to influence people. Everyone I ever spoke to about that movie a long time ago had taken that message away from it, it is the ultimate good goy muh Nahtzee bad movie, or at least one of big hitters in of that theme, but what can you expect when the director is a turbo kike.
Also missing a few things out of this which I think are crucial, I need to rewatch it, I remember him being followed also because his old crew hated him for being a sellout or something. Anyway, I need to go take a dump.
Movie was about not following either side 100% or you'll become blind and ignorant. It also highlights that even though muh evil Nazis can be nasty people, there are elements of truth in what they say. I don't think there was an argument that Derek made in the film that was unjustified or wrong. Aside from the sudden shifts to anger it was important that people see that the people that hold these beliefs are people and range in personality. Both sides have idiots and both sides have smart people.
it's been going on for a while, lots of things took the pis out of political correctness and even feminists.
Shit you could also have gay jokes and gay characters. No one rioted over actual good characters that were gay. Crazy world I know.
We live in a time where Friends, The Simpsons and Seinfeld is fucking offensive lol. Earlier decades also produced alot of "offensive" content, it was great.
I believe the scene of him shaving his head was supposed to occur at the end of the movie after his brother was killed.
A key element of this film genre is that the White Majority cannot be trusted. Those who make such films seek to demonstrate that although Whites on the surface might appear civilized, there is a latent racial barbarism that can be aroused through manipulation. This is particularly evident in American History X and White Lies, where the main characters are both young, bright, and filled with potential, yet they still somehow mange to be recruited into the neo-nazi/skinhead movement. The message is that any White person, no matter how normal, can quickly cross the line from being civil into being consumed by racial fanaticism, violence and hatred.
>accidentally redpilled
IF you are already aware then of course there are redpills, otherwise normans will find arguments like "muh holocaust" to be amazing.
White "bigotry," either in a current or historical context, is a favourite Hollywood theme. The films they churn out frequently portray society as "dominated" by a cruel caste of Whites who are grotesquely unfair towards minorities. These "victimized" minorities are presented as tolerant, open, understanding, calm, gentle and virtuous. In contrast, Whites are portrayed as brutally insensitive, oppressive, intolerant, hateful, violent, greedy, narrow-minded and destructive. These films show how the mean spiritedness of White Gentiles deeply hurts angelic minorities, who are at a loss to understand such raw hatred. Frequently, they feature a benevolent minority with tremendous patience and moral conviction who seeks to exorcise the poisonous racism demonstrated by the White characters (the very preachy Guess Who's Coming to Dinner starring Sydney Poitier is a shining example). The hypocrisy of reinforcing such crude racial stereotypes, when the prime message of these preachy films is that stereotypes should be eliminated, is seemingly lost on those who make them.
>its dumb that he stopped being a nazi after meeting ONE alright black guy in prison.
except that's wrong you nigger
he stopped being part of the nazi group because the prison nazis were all doing business with nonwhites and fucked him up when he called them out on it so he turned his back on them
the friendly nig came after he had become disillusioned with his skinhead gang
also, after the buttrape
it's dumb to stop being a nazi after meeting ONE bad white group in prison
It has been suggested that American History X is in some ways a pro-White film. A friend cited as evidence Derek's speech to the skinheads before they ambushed the Korean grocery store, some of the father's insightful refutations of affirmative action during dinner, and the portrayal of racial tension in Danny's neighbourhood. Also cited were the murders of Derek's father by a couple of Black crack addicts, and his brother Danny by a Black student. Even film critic Robert Ebert was surprised at the effectiveness of what he called the film's "White supremacist" rhetoric.
It's too simplistic to cite the inclusion of these scenes as some sort of breakthrough in notoriously minoritycentric Hollywood. The rest of the film, as this review has demonstrated, is so overwhelmingly anti-White that it's a major stretch to claim that it is actually "sympathetic" to the pro-White cause. The fact that it showed some things that aren't usually seen in these types of films should not generate too much excitement, nor hope. The film's "shock" scenes probably had a much greater impact on the average viewer than any of the others. I believe the film, as did White Lies, is letting us know that they (the Progressive-minority coalition) realize that multiracialism is not all it's cracked up to be, but that the White Gentile Majority, despite its sometimes justifiable frustration, should never consider doing anything about it.
The message is that we're supposed to remain silent and frustrated, and that if we decide otherwise we're inevitably going to become involved in a neo-nazi/skinhead cult which will only worsen our situation. They appear to be telling us that there is no reasonable or civilized means of White protest, so don't even try. The film is creating the impression that we're ostensibly trapped in a situation which is probably not fair towards the White Majority (racial double standards, job quotas, an Afrocentric school curriculum, a neighbourhood dominated by racial turf wars, the murdering of family members by Blacks), but that we have no choice but to accept it. In other words, get used to it or suffer even worse consequences.
Were the murders of Derek's father and brother by Blacks an example of these inevitable consequences, or were they designed to arouse White protest? To me the answer is painfully obvious.
Just anti-White propaganda from the jew.
Dont fool for it.
Makes more sense if you watch it in reverse.
Wish that ending was available
Dated a whore, got raped by black guys, had a messed up life. Is that why there’s so many nazis here? Were you all raped by black guys?
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