why is this useless shit so fucking overrated?
(((aircraft carriers)))
Jonathan Sullivan
Charles Morris
Battleships are way cooler than any floating barge you can name
Owen Foster
>a fucking ramp!
Ryder Walker
they're great for the kind of conflicts america is realistically going to be involved in.
also this belongs on Jow Forums
Leo Jackson
Interesting how the guaranteers of US supremacy has been memed against so hard recently. I wonder who could be behind this?
Julian Jackson
It’s useful for naval invasions or island invasions for air support. Maybe some sea battles too.
You can use them for air missions in foreign lands, but we practically have an air base everywhere. Airbases can be blocked by countries they reside in so probably best to have some carriers around.
Anthony Johnson
Because they look cool
Oliver Gray
I served on 2 aircraft carriers. The amount of personnel, supplies, and waste these things need just to have planes close to a country is ridiculous
Asher Cox
It will only be useless until projected shielding becomes a thing, which, they've probably been working on for years. If there is no defense against hypersonic weaponry, then yes, they are utterly fucking useless. A good way to send billions worth of equipment and 10s of thousands of hands to the bottom of the ocean.
Caleb Morris
They aren’t even big enough to fit a football stadium on
Jayden Ross
Ty
Mason Baker
us markwting.they know they are shit so they try to boast there use in hope some idiots belive it.
evry diesel sub and his mom can sink that shit and escords in minuts.
Leo Cruz
once the risk/reward ratio becomes too skewed, alternatives will begin to appear.
Jaxson Wilson
mark my words: drone motherships are going to become a real thing in our lifetime
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Jackson Mitchell
They are for force projection against weak opponents. A-tier enemies with cruise missiles etc will nullify them.
Cooper Reyes
>overated
it is perfect for the wars America is and will be involved in
If we ever fight a country that has the capabilities to sink a carrier, it will go nuclear before they get the chance
Ethan James
true, once we enter a war in which our carriers become vulnerable to attack, we are probably going to have worse problems.
Nicholas Peterson
This
They don't want us to have cool battleships.
Adrian Torres
battleship guns have a range of about 20 miles and aren't particularly accurate. most surface to surface missiles have ranges far exceeding that. their time has come and gone. rip.
Cooper Torres
I think its marketing for the new top gun movie. It's the only thing that makes sense. US naval supremacy is inarguable. If it were the Russians, making these threads would only serve to demoralize them, as I make it a point to post a reminder in every one that 14 of their very best naval officers died because Putin is giving the wealth of his nation to his criminal friends instead of maintaining it's proud military. No, I think it's top gun marketing. DANGA ZONE!
Oliver Phillips
Aircraft carriers are good against 2nd tier appoints.
In a conflict against tougher adversaries. First wave attack will likely come from space and submarine launched rockets.
Joseph Hughes
Very much this.
Oliver Long
Ha ha. One aircraft carrier holds enough firepower to level any state or small country in the world and has a range of 1500 miles.
>useless
Supreme keks, ignorantanon.
Christopher Morgan
They proved their worthlessness during WW2. For the same amount of armaments on a battleship, you could split that among 3 destroyers and if you lose a destroyer, it isn't the same magnitude of loss in tonnage and sailors. Plus 3 destroyers are way more maneuverable than a single giant battleship.
Nathan Myers
Aesthetic-wise, a destroyer is no way comparable to a battleship
Elijah Peterson
Completely agree. It's just that the age has passed them by.
Ethan Taylor
> implying the government tries to be rational and pragmatic about this
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE
Jackson Campbell
>most surface to surface missiles have ranges far exceeding that
Then they should make giant floating missile platforms instead of giant floating gun platforms.
Lincoln Garcia
Money would be better spent on Submarines that can do that.
Jacob Perez
Because muh big floating star spangled dik, that’s why kraut
Jace Campbell
Sexiest things to ever float
Hudson Gutierrez
But subs are so smol, their missile capacity would be puny compared to a battleship-scale missile platform. Something like that could flatten small countries with a single salvo.
Look I know it's impractical but it would be so COOL
Owen White
missile ships ARE the future though
Brayden Brown
t-they do user.
I didn't say they would be proactive about it, but when the evidence becomes overwhelming they will be forced to change.
if you'll note my pictures, we were already investigating such designs in the 1950s. it's not like it's some magical far-off concept that nobody has ever thought of.
Dylan Morales
I wouldn’t say they are obsolete yet, they are basically floating air bases so if your airbases in a portion of the world are incapacitated they can serve as a backup. Eventually they will become obsolete as advancements in stealth and unmanned drones become more popular. It’s already begun there were unmanned drones launching out of airbases in Italy, Germany, England dropping bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan, as these drones become faster, bigger and able to drop more ordnance they will eventually push the carriers to a more support role. While I agree the battleship is one hell of a ship ( I had the honor of serving on the USS Wisconsin as a fresh out of boot camp sailor in the early 90’s) there Day is long over never to return.
Alexander Smith
>recovery bay
lol how the fuck is that supposed to work?
Charles Turner
yeah like that, BUT BIGGER
Adam Sanchez
Anyone have the drawing of the Chad Nimitz carrier making fun of the Beta British ramp carrier?
Isaac Morales
Battleships are ugly as shit.
Navy spergs are no better than trainfags
Adrian Nelson
They look cool when they don’t have ramps on them
Camden Smith
Your meme state never built one in the first place, cope harder faggot
And train fags are cancer
Daniel Myers
One day we will have space battleships.
Cooper James
>implying this is my real flag
lmao
Dominic Peterson
Until you can blow fire out of your ass as big as a house, displace water 2 stories down as you do it, and kill any crew still on the deck, then you can have an opinion
Carter Flores
>I’m pretending to be retarded
Checks out
Zachary Ross
yes
Carter Nguyen
Pls leave 46mm guns on ;__;
Just say it’s for cool special effects, psychological warfare, and land bombardment purposes
Leo Wood
>useless
aircraft carrier fleets are basically real world death stars. strategically placed around the world, they allow us to project our force literally anywhere we want to. coupled with our strategically placed military bases and black ops space weapons, we have complete dominion over the whole planet. we can literally destroy anything, anywhere on the planet, almost instantaneously.
>useless
Elijah Ross
yaeh lol and all but that's by definition "putting all your eggs in one basket"
Since you're obviously some kind of nerd i'll put it in terms you can understand. The Empire puts all their eggs in one basket with giant capital ships and superweapons while the rebels invest in "small craft of incredible power and speed... the starfighters" because one proton torpedo is more damaging than a turbolaser hit, and far more versatile, since the launching platform can avoid being hit at all.
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>basically if the enemy can take out most of your missile launching capacity with one good hit, what was the point?
Carter Roberts
>mark my words: drone motherships are going to become a real thing in our lifetime
Carter Williams
I know I know, like I said it's impractical, but it I challenge you to deny the fact that it would be really fucking dope
Gabriel Rogers
>useless shit so fucking overrated
made for hit and run tactics with jets, a small portable airbase built for bombing runs, also the planet is covered 70% in water so you can take it almost anywhere
When you setup an airbase on the ground it has to be in a country and can be attacked, with an aircraft carrier you can do your bombing runs then dip, think of it as a pit-stop for jets like race cars
William Diaz
Aircraft carriers are for (((projecting power))) onto shithole countries not fighting a top tier modern war.
Julian Gray
i meant combat ones but yea
Charles Gray
Boats are Awsome, stfu
Justin Wood
>flag
are your conjecture based questions
USELESS??
Jackson Brooks
It's always a good day when I can post this.
Carter Ward
The amount of suppressed, ignored or sabotaged technology is enormous. The government isn't trying to win wars defending freedom and all that Hollywood crap. It's military keyenesianism and being gay prostitutes for the Kosher Nostra. See the F-35 fiasco.
Juan Gray
>i meant combat ones but yea
he thinks amazon's drone research is solely commercial. yikes and bluepilled
Jackson Fisher
There seems to be a sense that these things are becoming more and more vulnerable.
If they become unable to withstand these newer missile systems... they essentially are protected only by the fear that sinking them will trigger nuclear attack.
Basically, you will have the US saying... let our planes attack you... if you try to stop them, you get the nuclear smackdown. It’s actually a danger because the conventional war can quickly go nuclear now. The US has tactical nukes, and they *will* use them... I read that they actually used Nukes in Iraq/Afghanistan, but they hid them under the radar by keeping media out and saying they were MOABs...
Eli Stewart
One word; submarines
Austin Collins
Battleships are also next to useless thanks to aircraft. Look at WWII, a significant amount of battleships were destroyed by aircraft rather than other battleships.
>Bismark - Disabled by aircraft which lead to destruction
>Turpitz - Damaged beyond repair by aircraft
Yamato - destroyed by aircraft
Musashi - destroyed by torpedos launched by aircraft
Arizona - destroyed by aircraft
See a pattern yet?
Joseph Lopez
Hell yeah brother!
Luis Clark
because it's a display of threat to the whole world, therefore it's worth it
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Colton Brooks
star destroyers are absolutely fucking dope, sure.
Henry Bell
It is really powerful against guerrillas and poor countries. And useless against modern ones. It is all or nothing.
Wyatt Lewis
>It's always a good day when I can post this.
retards think our aircraft carriers are just sitting out there all by themselves and not surrounded by a carrier strike fleet.
Nolan Rodriguez
FUCK YOU ITS A BOAT THAT LAUNCHES FUCKING PLANES WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM YOU FAGGOT WHAT THE FUCK DOES YOUR BOAT DO?? DOES IT LAUNCH PLANES??? NO IT DOESNT FUCK YOU
Jaxson Adams
I imagine something like Knight Rider, where he drives the car into the trailer but the plane equalivent. Or like the space capsule hijack scene from "you only live twice"
Parker Brown
This. My grand uncle was demolitions on the Iowa until he became the naval spotter for the thunder guns. He was used like 6 times in all of Vietnam because people aren’t fucking retarded after suffering a barrage from Mo or Iowa. He was used for two naval landings which the Vietcong never opposed again and 4 assistance barrages when they didn’t realize She could hurl a one ton shell 20 miles inland.
Meanwhile Iowa needed a destroyer group, a minesweeper group, a marine detachment for saboteurs and a shitload of riverboats for screening duty.
Tomahawks made them redundant on top of their primary redundancy. That being said Vietcong still managed to suicid a raft full of dynamite into her hull and barely scratched the paint, as she was built to duel Musashi and the Tirpitz/Bismarck.
Jason Bailey
>One word; submarines
carrier strike fleets have submarines too, and the USA has the best submarines, with better radar, and anti torpedo torpedos. the only way russian submarines post any threat to US battlegroups is via the radiation from their reactors failing. we are also about to roll out fleets of anti-submarine underwater drones, something no other nation is even close to.
Hunter Parker
>
>Battleships are also next to useless thanks to aircraft.
what if, what if, we developed a boat, that shoots planes at other boats!!!!!!!!!!!!! o wait
Gabriel Reyes
oh yeah the f35 sucks sure but that doesn't mean that every country is going to be magically banned from designing flying carriers.
speaking of the F35, which is a Lockheed design, here is another Lockheed design for... you guessed it: an air carrier. If your argument is that defense cronyism means big contractors will shut down smaller innovators, how do you explain when the big contractors propose such designs?
Jeremiah Moore
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Austin Gonzalez
>the USA has the best submarines
Not true
Blake Lee
They're good if you want to bully countries that have no way of attacking anything you have.
Andrew Jackson
They’re essentially bait. But if any country dares to attack one, the U.S. will destroy the whole country and keep all their stuff. WW2 set the precedent that if a nation attacks the United States, we will go all the way until unconditional surrender. But there are exceptions.
Jaxon Green
Asher Jones
What was their AA loadout and were they with an escort? Where do you think those planes came from btw?
Jacob Baker
>Since you're obviously some kind of nerd i'll put it in terms you can understand. The Empire puts all their eggs in one basket with giant capital ships and superweapons while the rebels invest in "small craft of incredible power and speed... the starfighters" because one proton torpedo is more damaging than a turbolaser hit, and far more versatile, since the launching platform can avoid being hit at all.
except the empire had 25,000+ star destroyers and a over dozen super star destroyers. so if by 'all their eggs in one basket' you mean 2000 dozen egs, a dozen SUPER LARGE eggs, and one MOTHER FUCKING GIANT egg with plans to build more MOTHER FUCKING GIANT eggs, then sure.
the empire failed because the emperor put himself on the mother fucking giant test egg to taunt the rebels. not because they didnt have enough eggs. so unless you were referring to sith lords as eggs, and not star destroyers as eggs, your analogy is flawed.
Juan Cox
Charles Collins
Surely that thing could only land and take off in a very limited number of airfields
Blake Rivera
This exactly
Matthew Morgan
listen, back in the days of swccg i used to play a star destroyer swarm deck, so believe me when i say I get it.
but actually i was referring to the death stars housing the majority of their most skilled and highly trained officers. Remember the folly of the luftwaffe after they lost all their best officers and had to start sending raw recruits up into the air.
Levi Rodriguez
It doesn't land. It docks in a larger carrier to resupply. And before you ask, that carrier doesn't land either.
Leo Reyes
yes it was exquisitely impractical but the next design doesnt need to be so grandiose.
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Caleb Walker
Levi Morgan
I miss that and swg so much ;__;
Jaxson Rogers
excellent kek
Jason Roberts
It's actually a giant submarine. What's above water is just for normies.
Deep carrier
Justin Young
Except when Israel murders dozens of Americans aboard the USS Liberty, they forgot to drop the nukes after that one.
Liam Rogers
Now that's some real shit
Cameron Clark
Yamato was shanked by CV borne plens and it had fucking aa ammo for its main pipes
And so was Arizona and Musashi
Bismarck and Torpitz were too close to Britbongistan to warrant using CVs to shank them
baBBies became obsolete when some five'o'clocking faggot thought 'what if we started throwing, like, a metric fuckton of swordfishes at anything those bloody cunts send out to the high seas' in between his third and fourth dips of biscuit
and when forty fucks and twenty tonnes of wood can send seven hundred Boche and nine thousand tonnes of steel down to a Neptune's bday party you get yourself a really hot deal
Chase Rogers
>listen, back in the days of swccg i used to play a star destroyer swarm deck, so believe me when i say I get it.
based and redpilled>but actually i was referring to the death stars housing the majority of their most skilled and highly trained officers.
palpatine was a fag, we all know this, even pelleon and thrawn admitted as much but even with the loss of the death star and the fleet at endor the remaining imperial remnant pretty much held control of the galaxy for years. the new republic never ever fully destroyed them, and they eventually again became the dominant force in the galaxy under Jagged Fel, re-absorbing most of the old new republic's territory after the yuuzhan vong invasion and second galactic civil war. (in the NON-NU-WARS, *REAL* STAR WARS TIMELINE) and went on to build an even better, bigger fleet.
Parker King
Not to mention the RIM-161 has already shot down objects with a closing speed of over mach 30 with pinpoint accuracy from 200 miles.
The carriers are safe.
Matthew Nelson
Cheerleader tier marketing, instead put an undetectable underground tubing straw like pod delivery system importing intercontinentally and to the home (can also export trash and waste).
Noah Edwards
I imagine there are classified systems on at least U.S. carriers/ battle groups that allow them to survive attacks.
Never forget the Battle of 73 Easting where the U.S. used GPS, thermal vision and depleted uranium shells and armor (all either classified or not suspected) to defeat an enemy.
The U.S. is good at keeping secrets and typically doesn't reveal them until its time to use them.
Camden Reed
I used to fly an aircraft carrier back during the Korean war. I got all the medals
Liam Walker
i gotta admit, i kinda dropped starwars halfway through the yuuzhan vong thing but yeah zahn is my man. stackpole close second.
Brandon Thomas
Whether that be true or not, the US quite literally has more attack submarines than all other countries in the world have submarines of any sort combined.