Holocaust Revisionist General /HRG/

Holocaust Revisionist General /HRG/

Most people have misconceptions about what Holocaust revisionists claim and what they do not claim:

>They deny that there was a plan to murder all Jews
>They deny the existence of gas chambers for mass murder
>They deny that six million Jews died in the Holocaust

>They DON’T deny Jews were being persecuted
>They DON’T deny the existence of camps and the forced labor
>They DON’T deny that many Jews indeed died in these camps

Articles
>An Introduction to Historical Revisionism
germarrudolf.com/en/germars-views-2/104-an-introduction-to-historical-revisionism/
>The Holocaust Controversy – The Case For Open Debate
germarrudolf.com/en/germars-views-2/102-the-holocaust-controversy-the-case-for-open-debate/
>What About Wannsee?
codoh.com/library/document/1066/?lang=en
>How much of Nizkor's material is truth?
codoh.com/library/document/1056/?lang=en
>The Torture and False Confession of Rudolf Höss
rudolfhoess.wordpress.com
> The Auschwitz Crema 1 Hole Hoax
carolynyeager.net/new-eric-hunt-3d-imagery-demonstrates-auschwitz-hole-hoax
>The Dachau Gas Chamber Myth
codoh.com/library/document/2582/
> The Diesel Gas Chambers: Myth Within A Myth
vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/5/1/Berg15-46.html
> The Openings for the Introduction of Zyklon B
codoh.com/library/document/1751/
> Air Photo Evidence
vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html
> Why the Germans Destroyed the Crematoria but left the Gas Chambers Intact
codoh.com/library/document/977/?lang=en
> The Treblinka Holocaust
vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndtreb.html
> Einsatzgruppen
codoh.com/library/document/1044/?lang=en
>Nobody Denied It Happened?
codoh.com/library/document/6089/?lang=en

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bitchute.com/video/6pHi4VqLkhZ7/
archive.org/details/jewish-gas-chamber-hoax_201811
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=2&page_id=1006
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1013
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1004
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1014
archive.org/details/EricHuntTheTreblinkaArchaeologyHoaxVOSTFR
codoh.com/library/document/5669/
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=1
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=2
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=8
vho.org/GB/Books/trr/
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=31
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=35
holocausthandbooks.com/dl/SixMillionOpenGates.pdf
jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books_added2009-1/EcritsRevisionnistes.pdf
phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/leuchter-speech/leuchter-speech.shtml
warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/welshman-ron-jones-was-the-goalkeeper-of-auschwitz-m.html
codoh.com/library/authors/1454/]
codoh.com/library/series/1433/
rudolfhoess.wordpress.com/
codoh.com/library/document/5482/]
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1004&play=93#watch]
codoh.com/library/document/747/]
files.catbox.moe/olhmdl.mp4
archive.org/stream/PorterCarlosWhitlockMadeInRussiaTheHolocaust_201610#mode/2up
archive.org/details/BreakingTheSpell_201706
booksdescr.org/item/index.php?md5=96145825387303875e98d5592904ee57
libgen.me/item/detail/id/2091434?id=2091434
library1.org/_ads/96145825387303875e98d5592904ee57
b-ok.cc/md5/96145825387303875e98d5592904ee57
files.catbox.moe/ltt0w6.webm
files.catbox.moe/v5alg1.mp4
files.catbox.moe/y4rvvz.webm
ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p421_Weber.html]
archive.org/details/youtube-FxICh61QDHo]
ihr.org/jhr/v05/v05p215_Gleason.html
archive.fo/MAx2n
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archive.fo/6snVb
archive.org/details/pdfy-jZAK__wbJPwzWViL
crow96.20m.com/ausch1.htm
archive.fo/ppSTM
pastebin.com/kn9zsv6b
archive.org/details/TheconfessionsOfKurtGerstein/page/n1
haaretz.com/1.4747962
archive.fo/6WBQi
vho.org/GB/Books/trr/g]
archive.org/details/ZionismVsBolshevismByWinstonChurchill]
zchor.org/treblink/wiernik.htm]
phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/
twitter.com/AnonBabble

Videos
>EUROPA - THE LAST BATTLE [PART 8]
bitchute.com/video/6pHi4VqLkhZ7/
>Jewish gas chamber hoax
archive.org/details/jewish-gas-chamber-hoax_201811
>Holocaust, Hate Speech & Were the Germans so Stupid?
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=2&page_id=1006
>The Lies and Deceptions of Deborah Lipstadt—Part 1
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1013
>David Cole in Auschwitz—David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1004
>The Chemistry of Auschwitz—Buna Rubber, Zyklon B, Prussian Blue and the Gas Chambers
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1014
>The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax
archive.org/details/EricHuntTheTreblinkaArchaeologyHoaxVOSTFR

Books
>The Second Leuchter Report
codoh.com/library/document/5669/
>Germar Rudolf (ed.): Dissecting the Holocaust—The Growing Critique of ‘Truth’ and ‘Memory’
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=1
>Germar Rudolf: The Chemistry of Auschwitz—The Technology and Toxicology of Zyklon B and the Gas Chambers – A Crime-Scene Investigation
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=2
>Carlo Mattogno, Jürgen Graf: Treblinka—Extermination Camp or Transit Camp?
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=8
>Rudolf Report
vho.org/GB/Books/trr/
>Breaking the Spell—The Holocaust, Myth & Reality
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=31
>Commandant of Auschwitz—Rudolf Höss, His Torture and His Forced Confessions
holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=35
> SIX MILLION OPEN GATES
holocausthandbooks.com/dl/SixMillionOpenGates.pdf
> Ecrits Révisionnistes
jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books_added2009-1/EcritsRevisionnistes.pdf

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the last figure is fake. the International Red \cross have never said that figure. ever. deniers lie about it a lot. why do they lie?

where is the second last figure from? (510K)

and the 1 million figure? where from? sources? none of these are figures I recognize. You might as well post telephone numbers.

inb4 that french jew repeating the same shit over and over.

Ah shit, he's already there.

I'm pretty sure they aren't fake, however I can't find the books related to these numbers.

I'll retract this one, since there are plenty of arguments to be made.

actually... Leuchter was not an expert on anything, certainly not gas chambers. and his inspection failed to look at the blueprints of the buildings, failed to look at the preserved equipment from the buildings, and failed to take samples (he took them illegally) from the pats of the buildings that would be contaminated heavily. his results, (which were disavowed by the lab that did the tests once they knew what they were for, as they said the method they used would have destroyed the evidence adn they should have been told what the test was for) did in fact show that the gas chambers had been used, but he lied about that.

Leuchter was a shakedown artist and con man, who was paid by the idiot deniers to lie for them.
phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/leuchter-speech/leuchter-speech.shtml

source of any of those numbers? again, they might as well be telephone numbers - without context they are meaningless, and for all we know you made them up.

what is the peddle driven brain bashing machine? (clue - it is a stupid denier name for the footswitch operated humane killer captive -bolt gun used at Sachsenhausen to kill prisoners, the same sort of gun used to kill millions of cattle every day in abbatoirs.)

yes Auschwitz was a huge complex of camps including a POW camp. and the POWs who played football talked freely about how the jews were treated so much more badlythan tham, and how they were being murdered en masse, and the Brits knew about it.

warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/welshman-ron-jones-was-the-goalkeeper-of-auschwitz-m.html

>Leuchter was not an expert on anything

Fred A. Leuchter, Jr., was the foremost expert on the design, construction and maintenance of hardware, including homicidal gas chambers, used to execute convicted criminals in the United States. After receiving a Bachelor's degree (in history) from Boston University in 1964, Leuchter did postgraduate work at the Harvard Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory. Leuchter is perhaps best known as the author of four controversial forensic reports on alleged German wartime extermination gas chambers. Leuchter designed and maintained gas chambers for several U.S. penal institutions.

Before his report, he was also known as "Mr. Death" now they don't give you such a name if you don't know anything about execution hardware.
[codoh.com/library/authors/1454/]

> and his inspection failed to look at the blueprints of the buildings
No the Blueprints confirm what Revisionists claim

Are you actually dumb enough to suggest Zyklon-B gassings could occur when the oven room was right next-door? and through what way? through holes in the roof build by the Soviets in 1947 ?

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why are you sure thay are not fake? you have no source, you have no idea where this came from. If i post a graph with different numenrs i just made up and say "I am sure they are not fake" will you beleive that?

not good enough. source or admit you are repeating what may be lies.

>What was the "pedal driven brain bashing machine"?
It was testimony given by a tortured German soldier and used in the Nuremberg trial as evidence even though no such device was found in any of the camps.
Only goyim that support the jewish conspiracy theory against the Germans call anyone a "denier"

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Delayed Impact: The Holocaust and the Canadian Jewish Community, page 27

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Why were German soldiers and civvies tortured to give evidence?
Because none of the propaganda about extermination is true and the goyim who love their jewish masters did everything possible to get testimony from Germans

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Okay and what are the others? The steam-chambers? the rooms with moving knives? the bear and eagle in cage? the holocoaster? You have plenty of retarded examples of simple Communist wartime atrocity propaganda

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Found it.
codoh.com/library/series/1433/

Indeed, take for example Auschwitz Commandant Rudolf Höss rudolfhoess.wordpress.com/

Are you French and are you Jewish?

Yes he is, our best friend.

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Leuchter had no training in engineering, electrical circuits, physics, chemistry or biology.

he never designed a gas chamber. he never used of worked one.

he started off as a handyman, doing an electrical repair on an electric chair (a simple circuit) then set himself up as a self appointed "expert" in maintaining them, and started to shake down prisons, saying if they didn't let him inspect and certify them he would say they were unfit for purpose as an expert witness in court to stop the chairs being used. He went on to then offer the same "service" for gas chambers. he had no qualifications on which to base this expert status.

the court in Canada demanded his qualifications, and threw him out when they found he had no expertise at all. he was later prosecuted for acting as an engineer without qualifications.

I don't care how many denier sites you quote saying he was an expert - he was not. he has no qualifications at all, and has no training in any of the basic science required.

he stole samples from the wrong places, and had them tested with a method that diluted the samples by grinding up large parts of inert brick with the thin layer that might have cyanide residue on it - so that his tests were worthless. because he was not an expert.

he is debunked. he is worthless. stop quoting him.

Faurisson was conned by him, do not fall for the con.

>Are you actually dumb enough to suggest Zyklon-B gassings could occur when the oven room was right next-door?

are you dumb enough to believe that would be a problem?

>Leuchter was charged in Massachusetts with having misrepresented himself to penitentiaries as an engineer, despite having no relevant qualifications; Leuchter plea bargained with state prosecutors, and received two years probation.
>He has also been accused of running a "death row shakedown", in which Leuchter threatened to testify for the defense in capital cases if he was not given contracts for his services by that state.
A conman and a shakedown artist. That's your authority?

>Because Legions of Death an anti-Nazi book, Rupert Butler did not try to take a critical stance against Bernard Clarke who expressed pride in having tortured a Nazi. Little did the two know that by doing that, they would ultimately confirm what everybody knew all along, but nobody had first-hand account of – that Rudolf Höss’ testimony was extracted by torture, that the job of the interrogators was to secure German guilt before the Nuremberg trials, that all those false and self-incriminating statements German POWs signed had been presented to them by their captors in finished form, only after they were broken down with the use of thorough psychological and physical torture.
rudolfhoess.wordpress.com/
Decent site, thank you and added to the collection

Unfortunately a large amount of the Jews were Communists, they had a tendency to lie for political reasons.
[codoh.com/library/document/5482/]

“But we never gave in, not really; there was that one time just before liberation but other than that we were strong. We would see the boys they put on those masturbating machines just drop, just die, right there in front of us. The absolute cruelty was beyond our belief.”
[“Stolen Soul” written by Bernard Holstein, on page 117 ]

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You do realize the head of Auschwitz museum already admitted these holes were 'reconstructed' in 1947 right?
[holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1004&play=93#watch]

Of course no evidence exists of these holes before 1947 so reconstructed wouldn't be the right term now would it?

But more importantly he also admits that: “In the case of Crema I there were no ventilators. The doors were opened and the gas was allowed to ventilate by convection.”

Try ventilating a gas chamber through opening the doors when the ovens are in the next room burning a probably impossible amount of Jews in an impossible limited amount of time.
[codoh.com/library/document/747/]

>Made In Russia : The Holocaust (documentary)
files.catbox.moe/olhmdl.mp4

>Made In Russia : The Holocaust (book)
archive.org/stream/PorterCarlosWhitlockMadeInRussiaTheHolocaust_201610#mode/2up

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>Breaking the Spell - The Holocaust Myth & Reality
archive.org/details/BreakingTheSpell_201706
booksdescr.org/item/index.php?md5=96145825387303875e98d5592904ee57
libgen.me/item/detail/id/2091434?id=2091434
library1.org/_ads/96145825387303875e98d5592904ee57
b-ok.cc/md5/96145825387303875e98d5592904ee57

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What are your thoughts on the Rudolf Report? As far as I can tell, it hasn't been debunked like Leuchter has.
Also, do you think holocaust denial or revisionism should be a crime?

>What was life really like at Auschwitz
files.catbox.moe/ltt0w6.webm

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>Robert Faurisson My Revisionist Method
files.catbox.moe/v5alg1.mp4

>Robert Faurisson - Le problème des chambres à gaz
files.catbox.moe/y4rvvz.webm

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Leuchter's expertise in precisely the field of execution hardware is a matter of public record, and has been authoritatively and publicly confirmed. Indeed, no one was better qualified to carry out his investigation. At that time, Leuchter was recognized as the foremost American expert on the design and fabrication of gas chambers and other hardware used to execute criminals in the United States. He has worked on and designed facilities used to kill condemned criminals with hydrogen cyanide gas, the same gas supposedly used to kill many hundreds of thousands of Jews at Auschwitz.

Leuchter's expertise as the nation's foremost specialist of execution hardware, including gas chambers, has been abundantly confirmed. William Armontrout, warden of the Missouri State Penitentiary, testified on this matter during the 1988 "Holocaust Trial" of Ernst Zündel. As warden, Armontrout supervised the state's execution gas chamber. He testified under oath that he had consulted with Leuchter on the design, maintenance and operation of the Missouri gas chamber, and confirmed that, to the best of his knowledge, Leuchter is the only such consultant in the United States.
[ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p421_Weber.html]

Mr. Death (Documentary about Leuchter)
[archive.org/details/youtube-FxICh61QDHo]

>The 'Holocaust' and the Failure of Allied and Jewish Responses: The Logic Of Disbelief
ihr.org/jhr/v05/v05p215_Gleason.html
archive.fo/MAx2n

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The problem with the first Leuchter report was simply that he was to conclusive in his findings, while Rudolf is more careful and combines the chemistry findings, architectural findings, documentation as well as witness testimonies to come to a more clear conclusion.

The conclusion however is still pretty much the same.

Rudolf Report if you haven't read it yet.
vho.org/GB/Books/trr/

>Official sources from the International Red Cross prove that the Holocaust was a Jewish fraud.
>Original:
klubinteligencjipolskiej.pl/2019/02/oficjalne-zrodla-z-miedzynarodowego-czerwonego-krzyza-dowodza-ze-holokaust-byl-zydowskim-oszustwem/?fbclid=IwAR3xtHz7dl-ZWskDFDIfukpsOKncfI_gxXNR26t2i0oSMHBNMq9KxlXZbog
>English translation:
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>Archive of English translation
archive.fo/6snVb

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I wonder how many have the take of : whatever happened or didn't happen was in the past, so I don't care. They sure to shady stuff today.

>Kreig - The Final Reckoning - An Analysis of Demographics in Holocaust Literature (2006)
archive.org/details/pdfy-jZAK__wbJPwzWViL

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>The Auschwitz Files
crow96.20m.com/ausch1.htm
archive.fo/ppSTM
pastebin.com/kn9zsv6b

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well done - the original quote which clearly shows it is not a peddle driven mechanism. it is a foot switch. or at most a lever. not peddle driven.

also not brain bashing. it may have been an electric or pneumatic solenoid of course, but it is clearly a captive bolt gun.

also - have you any proof at all he was tortured?

and while no such device was found, several years after the witness said it happened, such a device is simple, easy to construct and operate, and just as easily removed.

ok that is one source....

I don't care to reply to jewish conspiracy theorists, go bother someone that gives a flying fuck about you

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Leuchter not differentiate between the outside of the wall and the inside of the wall, so he wasn't looking where the cyanide would be? I think he fucked up with his samplings. Either way, when someone of his caliber talks about gas chambers my ears prick up a little.
I watched the documentary he put out called "The Chemistry of Auschwitz". Is that enough?

a few wartime rumours. big deal.

>The "Confessions" of Kurt Gerstein - Henri Roques
archive.org/details/TheconfessionsOfKurtGerstein/page/n1

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Well the 78.000 claim you can find even on Wikipedia.

So that pretty much sums it up.
It went from 1.5m to 78.000

Treblinka from 3m to 700-900k
and Auschwitz from 4m to 1m-1.5m

What are you a holocaust denier? You are being very disrespectful to those Jews who were so brutally masturbated. Its like you are killing them twice! Oy Vey!

You see the problem right? How do you decide what is wartime propaganda and what isn't?

>Two field marshals, fifteen generals, two full generals, eight lieutenant generals, five major generals, "commanding up to 100,000 troops."
>In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's Cross.
>One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's birth record and when met with protests about having a Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, "I decide who is a Jew and who is an Aryan."
Source: Hitler's Jewish Soldiers - Brain Mark Rigg

>Historian: Nazi Army Included 150,000 of Jewish Descent
haaretz.com/1.4747962
archive.fo/6WBQi

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Sorry but I can’t take a thread seriously that starts with “this is what holocaust revisionists believe” when this is only a recent picture of that. The revisionist story has changed so many times over the last 50-60 years. It’s propaganda and every decade reinvents itself to try to make it more palatable to those it wants to convert.

>Correct me if I'm wrong
Picrel

What is more conclusive is Sample 28.
You see even the gas chamber results show traces of cyanide (below detection limit (10mg per kg))
However sample 28 wasn't taken from the 'gas chamber' but from the washing room and showed similar traces of cyanide as was found in the alleged homicidal gas chambers.

This is again confirmed in the Rudolf report were he takes a sample from a random brick building which shows similar traces. [vho.org/GB/Books/trr/g]

tl;dr - the samples taken at the delousing facilities do conclusively show traces of cyanide while the alleged homicidal gas chambers do not.

>I watched the documentary he put out called "The Chemistry of Auschwitz". Is that enough?
That is for you to decide..

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>The revisionist story has changed so many times over the last 50-60 years
Yeah. They are revisionists. It isn't a religion. If a new document comes out that proves one of their points wrong they will (should) change their world view and their story.
That being said, what did he write that is true about revisionism that wasn't true years ago? In regards to these broad brush statements they all look about right.

Well they decide on what's most convient at the time.

They had similar testimonies proving that gas chambers existed and were used in for example Dachau, all evidence of the same caliber i.e. witness testimonies, forced confessions from the Germans, misleading propaganda etc.

They just dropped it all in most of the German camps because the Allied forced actually did some form of investigation while the Soviets just needed it to legitimize all the suffering and what not and believed every horror story which was propagated by fellow communists.
This is probably why only the eastern camps (those which were liberated by the Soviets) are now known as extermination camps.

And we must certainly not forget the fact that the Soviets had a habit of blaming others for their own atrocities (Katyn)

>And we must certainly not forget the fact that the Soviets had a habit of blaming others for their own atrocities (Katyn)
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You do realize most (all) of us at one time actually believed the Holocaust did happen?

And these three points
>They deny that there was a plan to murder all Jews
>They deny the existence of gas chambers for mass murder
>They deny that six million Jews died in the Holocaust

Have always been the key points to revisionism.
If however one of these points is proven to be wrong, we'll have to revise.

But then again it's the usual suspects who were projecting their crimes onto others

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The (((usual)) suspects?

[archive.org/details/ZionismVsBolshevismByWinstonChurchill]

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>The (((usual)) suspects?
indeed

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>unironically posting this instead of an image of Soros, Rothschilds etc.

Bluepilled leaf.

Nice one

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Are Soros and the Rothschilds Bolsheviks?

No, they are in fact members of a bigger shit ideology's elite that actually STILL IS AROUND.

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>no
So why would he include them in a compilation of Jewish Bolsheviks?

It's unbelievable, but it did happen!

>implying anything has changed since then.

Please. Everyone outside the soviet union has been dancing to the same puppet masters' strings since at least 1870 with no interruption.

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You're kind of special aren't you. Why would he post pictures of modern Jewish elites in a compilation of old Jewish bolsheviks. You wouldn't post a picture of David Lane in the same compilation as Hitler, Goebbels, and Himmler.

the fact that there were some rumours, some atrocity propaganda, of the time, all of which have now been long debunked, does not change the fact that some pretty appalling things did actually happen.

like the people who claim to be survivors of the twin Towers, but are proven fakes - does that mean the towers are still standing?

any large event will generate stories. the historians have shown that many are false. the deniers cling to those ones - the ones historians already say are not history, not true, and not part of the holocaust - and somehow think these are proof the stuff the historians have confirmed and have massive amounts of evidence for, are also disproven.

it is idiocy.

Do you really not understand the connection and that, unless he was posting it ironically, it's a shit argument that doesn't prove anything?

>The revisionist story has changed so many times over the last 50-60 years. It’s propaganda and every decade reinvents itself to try to make it more palatable to those it wants to convert.
I can remember seeing PBS documentaries as a kid that stated shrunken heads, human skin lamps, and soap made from dead jews as fact. Can't remember if it stated outright that the shrunken heads were made from jews by nazis, but it did imply that. Now we know that all of that was entirely false.

Anyone who believes in the concept of freedom of speech and thinks that it is a necessary part of society -esp. in the West, should not allow themselves to believe in the Holocaust until all Europeans are allowed freedom of speech concerning the historical events that the Holocaust describes. Stop treating it like a religion protected by speech codes. Decriminalize Holocaust speech in the West.

There was no, faggot, if there where, you couldn't meme this Cite

>the fact that there were some rumours, some atrocity propaganda, of the time, all of which have now been long debunked,

You mean the fact that there were countless of false rumors such as steam chambers, rooms with knives, masturbation machines, kids being used as shooting targets, soap made out of Jewish fat, lampshades made from Jewish skin and dozens of other nonsense stories the fact that these lies were spread and for a long time believed doesn't add to the credibility of the official narrative? or the lack thereof?

Take for example Jankiel Wiernik (picrel) [zchor.org/treblink/wiernik.htm]
In his book and his testimony he makes absurd claims such as:

“It turned out that women burned easier than men. Accordingly, corpses of women were used for kindling the fires.”

"he would frequently snatch a child from the woman's arms and either tear the child in half or grab it by the legs, smash its head against a wall and throw the body away"

“Between 450 and 500 persons were crowded into a chamber measuring 25 square meters”.

7 by 7 meters or about 50 square meters. As many as 1,000 to 1,200 persons could be crowded into one gas chamber. “

“There was no longer any beauty or ugliness, for they all were yellow from the gas”

And then I'm not even getting in the more absurd ones such as: "Everything was engulfed in flames, and the bellies burst open at this high temperature and the babies jumped out alive."


The point isn't even that they lied (because we all know that many of them did)
The point now is that HISTORIANS TODAY STILL USE HIS WITNESS TESTIMONY AS PROOF!!!!

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What is the argument? He posts a compilation of Jewish Bolsheviks and you got upset because it doesn't contain Soros and the Rothschilds who aren't Bolsheviks.

>codoh.com/library/series/1433/
ah, COHDOH - blogspot for liars.

yeah yeah. what they don't mention is that no one else in the history of history agrees with Pressac, (who was a denier, and then not one then sort of one adn whose long book is useful but flawed...) and Meyer is widely thought of as a crank.

just because someone has come up with a number does not mean that it is correct. the consensus in historians who have actually worked on the subject is that it is at least a million. people.

so what is your point? a couple of cranks have made up numbers? so what? they are ona par with the so called Red C|ross number - which is alie by deniers manipulating figures that the red cross gave for number of persons traced byt eh International Tracing service by the mid 1970s.

you need better than this.

if you have a dozen top scholars all saying "meyer is right2 and new evidence has come to light to show it, then sure, that shows that at that camp there were not as many killed. But you don't. and even if you did,(unlikely - the number is pretty solid) all that would show is that the missing millions died somewhere else.

no

Hoess was not tortured and he was a good english speaker.

this is the sort of thing that a witness may well say - he saw the stomachs of pregnant women explode int eh ehat. Fine. How would he know the babies were alive? did he get cloe to one - hardly the fire was so intense. they seemed to move - int eh heat they would. so what?

what is the point here? the witness says what he saw, what he thought he saw - that is what witnesses do. the very fact the barrister questioned it shows that the witness was ntobeing taken as gospel truth at first glance.

that is how courts work. what is your problem with this?

>Our investigators would put a black hood over the accused’s head and then punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him, and beat him with rubber hose. Many of the German defendants had teeth knocked out. Some had their jaws broken. All but two of the Germans, in the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair - Pennsylvania judge Edward L. Van Roden

even if it were true that many were communist, that would not excuse the behaviour towards them. were the 79 kids on Anne Frank's train communists? is that why they were murdered on arrival?

The point is that witness testimony is untrustworthy.

Why wasn't Anne Frank murdered on arrival?

Hoess was just like many other German prisoners tortured severely and forced to confess to a false narrative
He claimed 3 million died in Auschwitz remember? while they now claim 1.5 million.
There is no reason for Hoess to overestimate to number of casualties.

“[The US Simpson Inquiry Commission] reported among other things that of the 139 cases they had investigated, 137 had had their testicles permanently destroyed by kicks received from the American War Crimes Investigating Team”

[Baron Paget of Northampton - “Manstein: His Campaign and His Trial” (published by Collins in 1951) on page 109:]

"The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his body. He was dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless."

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>what is the point here?
I already said it.

>Try ventilating a gas chamber through opening the doors when the ovens are in the next room

why is this an issue? You simply do not stand int eh next room or use it for a few hours. Big deal. firstly the small morgue was used only a few times as one of the problems with it was the lack of ventialtion. deniers act like this is some huge thing - they conveniently forget the gassings were moved very quickly tot eh farmhouses, just because of that problem. the new purpose built gas chambers at Birkenau had ventilation systems, and roof vents, built in.

the holes in the ceiling - hoess says they knocked a couple of holes in, to drop the pellets - I see no reason to doubt him. he says they only used it a few times (fun fact, not on jews - they first gassed Soviet POWs.) and that they had to wait a long time for it to vent, then it took a long time to burnt he bodies, and that is why they only used it a few times. The very fact it was inefficient is already well known. So why do deniers pretend that this was a major gas chamber, one that was at the heart of the operation, one that was the only gas chamber? or that the other gas chambers were like that?

it is stupid.

Rudolf Hess got a raw deal. He defies the orders of the fuhrer and flies solo to Scotland to negotiate for peace and end the suffering, was then arrested and tried for crimes against peace until his death.

>a probably impossible amount of Jews in an impossible limited amount of time.

why do you claim this?

nonsense. they gassed a few hundred at at ime int eh little morgue, then burned them over the next few days. not impossible.

they probably burned more on pyres than in ovens at Auschwitz.

phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/

learn something - read it. stop making shit up.

hilarious read that one.

so many lies....

Rudolf got a lot wrong. it has been pretty well destroyed over the years. he uses some very dodgy data - he uses still air models for gas distribution int eh chambers, when clearly they are full of moving people, breathing and screaming and fighting to get out.

his samples (taken fromthe worng places, again, adn analysed with teh worng method, again) actually show the gas chamebrs were used, but he spins it to say they were not - a sad lie.

he also does a slow hatchet job on a lot of evidence, trying to show that each item alone is not sufficnt to prove the whole, and dismissing each item on that basis. without looking at the whole picture. It is like thrwing out every piece of a puzzle because it does nto show the whole picture adn then claiming the puzzle didn't ever show the picture at all. or that the puzzle never existed.

it is dishonest.

oh sorry forgot to say - no not a crime. they should be paraded in public to be laughed at though.

>why is this an issue?

Well for starters the fact that there were ovens next to the gas chamber which were allegedly burning the entire time in order to cremate all those gassed Jews.

Another point might be that you gas the entire Crematoria or that you completely have to shut down the crematoria activity for hours..

Even if it is possible it's probably the least efficient way they could be mass-exterminating people.

>the holes in the ceiling - hoess says they knocked a couple of holes in, to drop the pellets - I see no reason to doubt him.

Yeah sure, just throw pellets into the gas chamber when there was a dispenser purposely build for the purpose of Zyklon-B usage.
Also keep ignoring the fact that Hoess was tortured
>So why do deniers pretend that this was a major gas chamber
It wasn't the biggest sure, those were at Birkenau (Crema II and III) which have similar flaws and not even evidence of existing holes.

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At least, it was real in my mind...