Republicucks want to keep you as slaves. DemocRATS want to push the slavery on someone else (who could very well be you...

"if i cant afford 10 lattes a week and a new car every 3 years then i cant afford to live"

Can't tell if Jealously or Envy.

>And it's getting worse and worse.
Greatest time ever to be alive. So many opportunities right now it's insane but to be honest I don't live in a fucking liberal shithole so things might be different.

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Hard work alone is enough. You need some intelligence to go with it. And it’s not even “hard work”. It’s just a matter of not being lazy.
Not everyone can be rich, but literally everyone can be upper middle class.

Supply and demand.
If I spend a week digging a ditch, and another week filling it back up, I'm working hard but I'm not going to be paid much for it.

A skilled tradesman can become a millionaire if he starts his own company, and their wages right now are being driven down by day laborers.

Hardwork give you the opportunity to be rich, doesn't make you rich. So fucking stupid...

Take that willingness to work hard, add learning extra admin skills, combine with ambition and risk to do the work on your own.
Poof, you're a small business owner and doing quite well for yourself.

>intelligence
>Day laborer
Choose one

Don't forget about inflation of worthless fiat currency.

Construction isn't hard work. It's tedious work. Know the difference.

This is some lefty projection right here

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Same. I always think of EMT’s in particular.

Wow if only there were some genetic component that could explain all of this.

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>sub 100
>making median income
Nigga please.

So, it's time for a new government?

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You say that after a long summer day doing masonry work, nigger.

There's going to have to be a reset. Stock market crash along with scrapping the USD for a new one. This is why....
Just 45 years ago the average single income was 12,000. Average home 28,000 average car 3,800, average CEO made 30x what the guy in his warehouse made.
Now the average single income is 30,000. Average home 250,000 average car 30,000 average CEO makes 400x what the warehouse guy makes. Add to that 4 decades of tax cuts, ever expanding gibs, exporting good jobs while importing Aztec taco orcs to suppress wages and you're where we're at now. It takes 90k to do what 12k did for young boomers. CRASH and RESET the whole thing.

Agreed, I want a hard reboot on the economy so bad.

hard work ..... cures all sorrows!
most day laborers are happy

>Never understood why the hardest jobs have the lowest pay.
Because they involve the lowest and most accessible skill sets. The workers are very replaceable.

That's net worth. Meaning how much money you have saved up whether it's invested or sitting in a savings account.

Smarter people likely make more money. Smarter people are also more likely to set aside some of their paycheck for retirement or emergencies.

It also has to do with delayed self-gratification. Smarter people are likely to be less impulsive and try to be more strategic with their expenses.

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These are the truth.
Hard reset.

>Average home 28,000
So more than double your average annual salary. In many parts of the country that is still the case today, provided your expectations aren't stupid.

Now adjust for inflation and divide by both structured square footage and lot square footage. See what the difference in value is per square foot of land and you'll see that it hasn't changed all that much given the development of the zoning around it and the population density.

Structure square footage costs have gone up, but so too have the expectations of what is normal to be included within that square footage as well.
And inverse to that, the regulatory hurdles to buying land and doing whatever the hell you want with it means that lower cost housing options are kept out of areas with higher median income as well.

see this

When you're a young boomer who buys a house for 28,000 then 45 years later sells the same house for 10x the original price to folks who currently earn (inflation adjusted) a third of what you made when you bought it then its just thievery user.

Hard work doesn't matter. The output does.

imagine this
you are kang khufu building your pyramid you have some smart guys that know how make sure your giant tomb will be built and aligned properly and then you have 30000 smelly half niggers that move shit around all day at the command of the smart dudes
who is more valuable?

the great walmart raids of 2024, how will history remember them

The American dream is incremental generational increase. Boomers fucked shit up for a lot of middle America by raising faggot kids they don’t care to support and foolishly relying on 401ks that busted in ought eight. Also, buying and selling the meme of college is a bad deal everyone is guilty off. But the basic are intact. Those poor day labors will have educated children that enter the working class and possibly middle class great grand children. Obviously, immigrate depress wages. And they should no be here, illegal or H1B.

It all comes down to inflated property prices set by colluding estate agents.
Once people can no longer afford a home a lot of things fall down.

If you don’t have 5 months of totally monthly expenses saved, you should only eat rice and beans and oatmeal, pb&j.

>its just thievery user.
What was the population density when they bought it.
What was the population density when they sold it.
What was the change in inflation?
Similarly, what was the change in median income in that area over time?

Land Value and relative purchasing power aren't stagnant things. And any asset kept in a state outside of complete depreciation will accrue value over time. Barring a circumstance where the supply of competing resources of that time flood the market or some other factor tanks demand for it completely. Say for instance Detroit where median income crashed.

Are things imbalanced currently? Of course they are. But you can't draw a direct parallel between the past and present when in the past an average home was a 900 square foot wooden box, to a 2400 square foot home that has completely different regulations, requirements, and expectations surrounding it.

These differences in home costs and general living expenses are symptoms of a basic Purchasing Power Parity change over time. It's not and issue of just landlords. It's a byproduct of the entire lending and currency systems that are at the root of them.

You'll see this even more readily in consumer debt percentages within that timeframe. The average person is infinitely more comfortable with excessive debt (voluntary or otherwise) than they were 50 to 75 years prior.

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Hard work is for retards. Productive work is where it's at. It's "hard work" to dig a hole with your hands. It's productive work to dig it with a shovel. It's even more productive to dig it with a backhoe. You can lift a hundred pounds with your back... or with a lever. Which way do you think is more likely to be sustainable all day?

Work Smart and Hard you faggots.

You are paid not for your work but for your skills. Everyone can do manual work.

You act as if "we" choose what's built

Try that diet as a 3,000Kcal burner. Burn yourself right up. Where is your vitamins, calcium and zinc in that diet?
>eat like you're poor till you ain't
should read as:
>put off your health so you can pay for it later
either way you end up net neutral/negative

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define skills; such terms get thrown around here like hot cakes, but I seriously doubt anyone here has a skill that cannot be mastered within 6 months training and google.

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Same house user not another one that's two or three times bigger with all the newest shit in it. It's thievery, you don't seem to get the fact that after inflation the average US citizen works more for 2/3rds LESS now than he did 40 years ago while everything he needs exploded in cost. Where's the fancy vernacular and charts about THAT user?

General intelligence cannot really be trained but enables you to do a lot of jobs better/faster.
I admit that actual knowledge of stuff can be learned and also has an expiry date.

If laborers werent illegals working under the table they would be rich. Do you even think before you post?

ergo
>muh skills
is 99% just getting hired in the first place. The rest, given enough IQ, can be learned, and rather quickly I might add. Everyone's artificially inflated egos based on what gets put in their wallet monthly, even though they often wouldn't get rehired for the job if they tried to get hired on again sickens me to the core. We were raised by an entire generation of depraved souls.

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Dam that looks like hell, city are a curse. People should live in towns of 100k or less.

I get paid $30 a hour to stand by a machine and barely do a fuckin thing
a Pleb at Mcdonalds gettin his min wagie works harder then me.
Just cause u are incapable of looking beyond shit tier jobs dont blame the rest of us nigger.

My dystopia folder has many more.

I don't know how I can re-enter the workforce after my torn rotator cuff. I don't believe i have the sociopothy left in me to lie to the hiring manager's face and say:
>I promise I'm the best rent-a-slave on the market master, I proves it.

>please massah just fill my bowl one more time
>please massah I'll do anything you ask of me
>please massah I'll say anything you want me to say woof woof, mooo!
>please massah I swear I'm the most valuable slave on the market

RAGIE WAGIE
STOMPS HIS FEET
RAGIE WAGIE
CANT BE NEET

IF HE DOES
HE WONT EAT
IF NO SLAVING
SLEEP IN STREET

RAGIE WAGIE
STAMP HIS FEET
RAGIE WAGIE
SCARED OF NEET

WAGIE CRY AND WAGIE MOAN
WORK HIS FINGERS TO THE BONE

WORK AND WORK NO TIME FOR FUN
ONLY EXIT IS A GUN

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There's that artificially inflated ego I'm talking about. You're not what's in your wallet. Get over yourself.

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It's about the value you create for a company. This means how do you help increase sales and/or decrease costs. A business is basically a bunch of people spending as well as bringing in money. There better be a positive revenue.

It's also supply and demand. Demand is more correlated to "how badly they need you". In my opinion it's closely related to the value you create. Supply is how many people can do what you do?

Example: Doctors are in high demand because everyone needs and highly values healthcare. Few people can do what doctors do. High demand and low supply means they make $300k

Normal factory workers add decent value. However most people can learn to do their jobs. High supply and moderate demand lead to $30k per year.

Also think of it as you selling your work to a company. It's only worth what someone's willing to pay for it. You can try to adjust it through laws, but that isn't a healthy way for companies to operate. They will find alternatives.

As a product engineer, I work heavily with increasing sales, as well as decreasing costs. I probably eliminate one job per year through manufacturing efficiencies. I increase sales by finding and designing what the customer wants (+$500k per year).

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>This
American workers are some of the highest paid in the world. Also our compensation has been going up ever year. The problem is people are just lazy about getting a job.

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>Live a comfy life where i provide for my family
>Be a broke ass faggot who still lives at home when hes 30
Pick one

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I wrestled my whole life, including at the highest level.
Then, I went to prison, where I adapted my wrestling skills to be lethally effective in real life violent situations
Got out at age 25 and am now a god among men

The lack of trees is disturbing. Great, year round weather that can support just about every tree on earth, and it's just a paved over parking lot. It's crazy. What a shit place. These are the people forcing climate change nonsense down your throat and they can't even make their own city livable.

I promise you whatever "skills" you think you have, can be mastered by someone else within 6 months. What you have is the ability to be hired, and convince someone else that you're worth whatever artifically inflated monetary value they believe they can milk you for. If someone is making 20$ per hour, they're expected to generate atleast 60$ per hour by whatever means necessary. This scales to whatever compensation bracket one is prospecting. This is the law of business and rent-a-slaves.

>my masters provide for me better
ergo
>i am better

Good luck with that

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I too wrestled. Only in highschool, however. THAT is a skill that cannot be mastered in 6 months. That in particular requires rewiring all of One's muscle memory for a very particular purpose. HOWEVER, it will not put meat on the table at the end of the day, unfortunately. I wish it could, for your sake; I'd say try and be a coach, but given your record no school will HIRE you XD. Such a great society frens

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Isn't it crazy we've all decided to support a system that has resulted in the top 3 wealthiest people in America owning more wealth than the bottom half of the population combined? Instead of creating a prosperous society, we've chosen to give 3 people a better life than over 150 million other people put together. Isn't that just crazy? It's time for a change!

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All of the anxiety about how people can't afford what they used to is bullshit in my mind. Post WWII, we were in the most prosperous period in human history. You were a dud if you failed. Now that the rest of the world is catching up as well as technological advances, that boom economy is normalizing.

We're still prosperous, but just not like we used to be. Humans are sensitive to relative changes in lifestyle not the overall quality. Thus now we think we're all suffering, but other countries look at the US in envy.

>Ah yes, I too like my 50 hour minimum rotating shift work user.
Not even the labor movement had to deal with this shit. Atleast we don't have tenement housing.. oh wait, LA HAS tenement housing!

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That arbitrary value I create is still tied to how much I cost. Business models will ebb and flow with time, but it's blatantly obvious certain jobs are more highly sought after by people because they know they'll make more money.

Fight the system if you want. I'm going to do what's in my best interest and maximize my lifestyle.

>That arbitrary value I create is still tied to
what you convince others of.
Fixed.

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>have you tried turning it off and on again?

Most of my decisions have a literal cost/benefit associated with them. I obviously know my labor rate. These things are fairly understood in our business and less magic tricks user.

The basic factory worker will not be paid more than me no matter how much he cries.

You can claim you can reinvent the entire world, but until you have "reinvented the world" on your resume and some references, it ain't worth a penny. You're looking at what I'm stating too top down. Look at it from exactly what it is: one's value is determined based on how well one can convince the Master that they can generate 3x the currency as what's being charged. Scales infinitely

>yes a factory worker cannot convince the factory master that they're somehow worth more than the predetermined cost/benefit analysis they've been running for the past 6 decades. That doesn't mean factory worker has broken the x3 rule if they start a whooping 1$ more than their cohorts. Just as you starting at some sum doesn't break the sequence either.

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>Master
Hardly. We're all constantly trading amongst ourselves. Money is the median that we often barter with. I'm trading my time for money. I then trade that money for food and shelter.

I control what I do with that time to get the best trade possible.

You could force a structure so that the trade is more weighted to one side or the other. However that requires a different moral and cultural system to work. For instance each hour I trade is worth at least $10. Or each hour I trade is worth no more than $10. Each of these is geared towards opposite ends of the spectrum.

Yes, money goes a long way when you ignore rent, utilities, car insurance, registration, and foods that contain more than just empty calories.

>but you don't need those things

If you want to hold down a job, you can't look/smell like pigpen. You need a home where you can shower.

>just camp in a tent and use the showers at a gym

Yeah, that really sounds like an awesome life.

You need both those traits to actually have a shot at becoming wealth. One without the other will provide a decent life but never bring great wealth.
The third secret of success and wealth is learning how to make the right friends. Having connections is the most important part. Working hard and smart should be basics.

>>Master
>Hardly
What happens when you disobey or disrespect the a)hiring manager b) your direct manager c) the leader of the institution?
>what happens when you produce less than what's expected?

Just because there are layers of abstraction to rent-a-slave, doesn't mean it's now something else. Cope however you wish, we all slaves here.

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What happens is the trade agreement is terminated. Either party can terminate it if they feel it's unfair. I don't see my employer as a master. They are a trading partner. They need someone to fill my job and I need someone to give me income.

The master you're referring to is mother nature. If I stop trading, then I die. The food and shelter will not appear on their own. They have to be created somehow. Either I make them or someone else does. If I make it, then congratulations I'm off the grid. Otherwise I have to convince that person to give them to me. Hence a "trade" where I give them something they need.

You're looking for a philosophical happiness. None of that exists. There is also no inherent sadness. The world simply exists. How you perceive it is on you.

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>now we goin places
Hmm, can we agree to disagree? Terms and conditions of indentured servitude does not sound like freedom to me. Free-trade, sure, but closer to perpetual slavery than freedom.

We pay farmers to under produce. We are a net exporter of food. There are some like 2 homes for every person in the US (location be damned). Scarcity is artificial fren.

Sure. I wouldn't look at an employer as a "Master" though. It's a bunch of people collaborating to make a trade. For instance McDonald's workers collaborate to make hamburgers. Every little ant has a job. There is no singular entity.

If I get fired from my job, then a bunch of those ants are going to have to agree I don't contribute enough to the trade.

So how do we build an economic system that supports abundance? My mind's eye works on a planetary scale, I can simulate an engine running for a month and tell you what bearing/washer will fail first. etc. Feed me an idea.

>Yet I'm of no value to this society, as a personal 3d autocad is literally of no value fiscally. Flywheel battery I invented? No one wants it cause I don't have >inventor on resume kek

Can we at least agree that One's pay is essentially what One can convince their hiring manager/HR of? Not necessarily what one's actually capable of. (ergo a good liar goes places, so long as they can learn on the fly)

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EVERY MAN A KING!
EVERY MAN A KING!

Most of America, if you want to keep your head above water, you need 2 incomes. It's literally the only way to not work yourself to death and have some money to save.

-Califag

You probably know this, but there's a lot of uneducated people competing for a limited amount of jobs. If you're a low skilled person then you have no leverage for asking more pay. If you still demand it anyhow, you're literally asking for charity/begging for gibs.

Day laborers were replaced by mexicans who work for nothing. So what are you complaining about?

funny thing is: that's mostly because employers want all education to be paid for by the employee rather than training anyone. What most people considered a "skill" is faaaar below what your average highschool graduate can master in 6 months.

>muh 2 years experience doing this very specific task already

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Smart people don’t work. They make others work for them.

I think you'd have to determine what the cultural and moral values your society has. No economic system can be supported unless the people are willing to sustain it. The US is highly on the individualistic side and hippies are highly on the commune side for instance. Drastic revolutions will always struggle as the culture and system have to evolve in pace with each other.

If I could make a system on my own disregarding the above, then it would be in between a commune and capitalist society. I would have a minimum wage. This wage would be a little above bare-bones. You would have some free-spending income. People who are excessively financially stressed become problematic for society. If you refuse to have a job, then feel free to die. You're unfairly draining from everyone's trading. I understand disabilities mental and physical. As much as I don't want to do it, I believe we should help those who literally can't offer enough in a trade. There would be a strict vetting process for this because it could be easily taken advantage of.

On the other hand for maximum income, the only limit I would have is to make sure the bottom people meet the requirements listed above. I don't like the idea of a tax as the government is horrible at allocating resources. (Good even trades aren't prioritized much). Everyone is horrible at spending other people's money.
I'd possibly have a maximum income ratio of top to bottom. Or a GINI index maximum for a company. Basically an income inequality maximum. This would be flexible depending on the established needs of the bottom. This helps keep unnecessary money out of the hands of the government. Companies have natural selection, governments not so much when it comes to allocating money and resources.

Education would take me forever to explain. To summarize: it will be cheaper, but weighed towards what's in demand for the economy. This keeps a balance.

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To summarize overall: I recognize the pros and cons of strongly individualistic and communal societies. When you go too far in one direction, the cons start to outweigh the pros. Again this is dependent on what the society values. That's why there are different economic systems all over the world to fit the people they serve.

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Often there are imbalances that appear within economies. When changes occur, some parties make out better than others. You'll have to find some balancing mechanism to nudge the trade back to "equal". Equal being the most abstract thing in the world.

Your case is very commonly seen. On the other hand are workers forming a union and monopolizing the workforce against all companies. Both extremes are bad for trading as they create imbalances in both either direction.

Day laborers can make 15-20 an hour if they work smart. Don't underbid your labor and take shitty work.

So how do you feel about the Sackler family? Commit opium wars on your home population is cool, so long as it's profitable?

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>If you refuse to have a job (which is either 10 hours a week or 50 hours+ a week in this day and age), then feel free to die
what part of abundance is confusing to you?

>i've ran the simulation of "us" a million and ten times and it results in (((this))) exact scenario every single time.

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Physical labor should be taxed differently maybe.

Smart work, not hard work

the same reason that until about 100 years ago until now, for all of human history, over 90% of people were self employed
now we are down to 2% of the population self employed
not hard to see how this happened

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That's on the more extreme side of things. The product they're offering in the trade derails the whole concept of a fair trade. Addictive things are rather annoying for economies as they get people to act against their own self interests. Short term starts to outweigh longterm interests.

But to try and boil it down: Do I believe others should be able to become wealthy at the expense of others? No I don't believe they should. However is it my place to intervene? If it can correct itself, then I'll stay hands off. Otherwise there may need to be some boundaries to keep the "train from falling off the tracks".

I'm relatively undecided on this. In the case of the Sacklers, they were false-advertising the addictiveness of their product and overstating the benefits of it. Of that they are guilty.

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Doesn't work like that. Money has a theoretical value. In the world the oligarchs have set for you money has a real value. The government/fed issue loans in amounts you could never accrue legitimately. They can outspend any legitimate business on Earth on paper. It doesn't matter if you were the smarted, stingy person on the planet.

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I worked day labor when I was 18, it's not have as hard as running my own business. I don't get days off and work well into the night sometimes for months on end.

What do you believe we are collectively working towards?

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