Does the issue of men not being economically attractive enough to marry lie with men or women?

This is why we need to go back to 19th century customs. A woman is pawned off for marriage by her parents

women suffering from what the left would call internalized patriarchy
even women who reach the tip top of the stack with every drop of feminist empowerment this country has poured on they still expect a man to be the boss and out-earn them

They compared married women to their husbands, and used that information to create a hypothetical husband for the unmarried women. What they found is that women marry up, and there's not enough men "up there" for a lot of women to marry, so they will have to settle or not marry.

If you're good looking and sociable you will get any woman no matter what your job is. The idea that women primarily care about money is a manlet cope

Men still can support a family on one wage
They just dont want to make sacrifices

>The idea that women primarily care about money is a manlet cope
dumbest fucking take of the week, for fuck sake, we're look at an article in the OP that completely refutes your retarded leaf claims

you haven't posted shit buy the article and post the entire thing fag. Also sure more income is good but if al lyou offer is above average income she will never love you Fuck Jamal on the side and leave eentually

Basically if you want a wife that respects you as her "dream husband," you need to marry down. Go find women in some town that don't make it to college

How many men do you know that have asked a woman to marry them and were rejected?

Women

why?

>How many men do you know that have asked a woman to marry them and were rejected?
Zero

So then how are women wanting more money the problem?

You can only do that if you're at least middle class.
The working-poor man can't really afford it without living in actual poverty or getting gibs.
It's also a lot harder to get gibs than you think, especially if you're right on the edge.
t. rural Southerner

>how are women wanting more money the problem?
It's not

I don't know what point you're trying to make or why the number of men I know whose wedding proposals were rejected have to do with anything

Get a middle class job

Then what are you claiming the problem is?

No man asks unless he's 90% sure the answer will be yes.
I'm autistic and even I know not to ask a woman to marry me unless I think she's going to say yes.

they should have termed it a "virtual husband", not a "synthetic husband"

also I'm not clear why the article says that low socioeconomic women are having such an issue marrying men that make more than them...

GEE WHY DON'T I JUST DO THAT

The state.

Why do you think she would say no?

why is this surprising? This was always the case historically upper class women didn't marry lower class men either unless they were really handsome and charming

you don't know any men who were rejected because men don't ask unless they already know the answer
the real question is how many men out there didn't ask for fear of rejection

>Then what are you claiming the problem is?

I don't have problem, I am arguing that the leaf's claim that women don't care about money when considering marriage is fucking stupid and empirically incorrect

>Does the issue of men not being economically attractive enough to marry lie with men or women?
It lies with the government who set the rules that fucked everything up in the 1st place .

Yeah, well, if you're devoted, willing (and able) to make sacrifices, and not a fucktard, making money is the easy part.

Honestly, leave women out of this. Men need to focus more on thier income and status.

The obviously wont marry some deadbeat but women are not holding out for some rich dude
The reason for low marriage rates is mens fear of commitment

I didn't say it was surprising that women are choosing not to take working-poor men if they think they can do better.
I'm just saying that a single lower class wage (not salary, if you're making salary you're usually fine) can't really support a family at a standard of living that we'd expect an American to have.
If you don't see a problem with that, then I guess there is no problem.
It doesn't materially affect me.
I've never even gotten close to asking a woman to marry me. I don't think I really want to pass on my autism anyway.
I've got a lot of other health problems too, so I think I really shouldn't breed.

It's the machine that prints the welfare check.

>I've never even gotten close to asking a woman to marry me.
Are you still a virgin?

The world has never seen a time when there was a mass amount of single in married women. I imagine their bitching is going to go through the roof especially at the ballot box. They will never get their attention day of attention days (marriage) and will go insane with the added soul ending reality of being childless.

The single men will collapse the economy because they are the major spenders and without wives to drain their wallet they will remain frugal and smart and live well within their means.

Our economy is pretty dependent on growth and the lack of income producing spenders (white males) will bring the whole thing to a screeching halt. Hopefully the end of this will bring about massive social change to women being taken care of by men and society will right this capsized ship. I highly doubt it will happen outside small areas and women will just want everyone to be miserable because that’s just their nature unless their rights go back to being property.

>TL;DR: women wanting it all has caused them to lose it all.

>I've got a lot of other health problems too, so I think I really shouldn't breed.

Sorry to hear that mate, that is a pretty honorable thing to do.

No, I'm physically attractive enough to get a woman to sleep with me, apparently.
I had sex a few times with 2 different women (and a couple men) in college. They weren't all that attractive, but I had to try it since that's what all the normies do.
I found out that I'm not really capable of forming deep emotional attachments to other people, though, so I've basically dropped out of the dating game.

>(and a couple men) in college.
yikes

>Women would rather marry Geth than me
This isn't the consensus I was expecting.

Low socioeconomic status is tied to higher rates of obesity and lower attractiveness for women. Guys with options are not inclined to marry down for a fat ugly woman.

> a couple men

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Oh sorry, that was my own idea. I don't know if the study says anything about it.

Women entering the workforce caused wages to stagnate.
You double the supply (workers) and cut the demand (wages) significantly.
It's not that households have more money but less.

I thought that maybe the reason I didn't feel anything for women was that I was gay.
Some men are attractive to me, but it didn't feel right either.
Then I figured out I'm supposed to be alone.
I'm done blogposting, though.

Okay, let me just run to the middle class job store

learn a trade

Asking a woman for her hand in marriage is a formality at this point. It's a tradition that lost its meaning but people still do it because they want the picture for their facebook feed. This society deserves to burn, actually.

That is because their fathers have no problem with them fornicating

Yeah bro, you're being dumb. First off, being attractive and sociable isn't cheap, and while those qualities may get a woman into bed with you, they sure as hell won't be enough to convince her to stick around and have your kids.

This isn't even a bad thing. Put yourself in her shoes: If you were going to spend a decade maintaining a household and raising children, wouldn't you desire a mate who could provide the resources to do so in comfort?

Life is expensive, men should be rich.

Those are no longer middle class jobs.

You can easily support a family on a plumbers salary

Yeah, plumbers and especially electricians make decent money.
They're also fairly safe from automation.

yeah, I understand those types of externalities, but it seems this study is just about correlations between male/female based on incomes and population statistics

so the main thrust of the article is that the husbands that women want to marry (financially) don't exist, because there aren't enough men with high enough income levels. But then what is the big blocker for low income women?

Question Jow Forums. I am man and am studying to become a nurse. It is great money but I also have a test coming up for a trade and after that might come an interview (job is not guaranteed) does being a male nurse turn women off?

Where does it say women dont want to marry them?

There is a dearth of women worthy of commitment

>30% more likely to be employed (90% vs. 70%)
>90-70=30
Women.

There is a dearth of worthy people in general. Best advice, be one of them. Everything else is easy.

Anyone?

>does being a male nurse turn women off?
All the female nurses say that they would absolutely love a male nurse and to just be yourself. So yes, it is a turn off

>not enough men "up there"
No shit. I've know this a long time and tried to explain it to people.
The higher a woman climbs in her career, the higher she will expect her future husband to climb.
Problem is, more women climbing the ladder means FEWER opportunities for men to climb the ladder.
It's a zero-sum game. Every executive position given to a woman is one less position for a man.

These women WERE ACTUALLY COMPETING AGAINST, AND USING FEMALE ADVANTAGES TO PASS OVER THE MEN WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN MARRIAGE MATERIAL

Nope, you're going to be a catch. Solid income and never around. Keep the door open for a masters though. The shift work will kill you later in life.

>Women understand that having money is indicative of other desirable qualities that make a man valuable, including confidence. Think back to what we went over earlier: if you have money, you probably had to work for it. If you earned that much money working, you probably hold a powerful position in which many people depend on you. Women typically find the idea that a man being capable of performing under extreme amounts of pressure to be highly attractive.

Do the job for you user, if a woman is turned off or on by a job chances are she’s a woman that would leave you the second an issue comes up. Make your life the way you want and a woman will come. You are the gate keeper to marriage and stability, women alone crumble, men alone create.

Honest question: why should any woman want to attach herself to someone who isn't even able to be middle class? This sounds like natural selection doing its job.

Four years at college, then another 2 for an MBA. All of the sudden you're 23 and people are throwing money at you. It's not rocket science.

Feminists.

Women want successful men but feminists are pushing men down.

It's actually 28%.
90/70 = 1.285...
Therefore there is a relative increase of 28%.
Statistics.
And before you say "5 is rounded up", that's not necessarily true in significant figures. If the preceding digit is even, as it is here, you don't round up.
This prevents you from having more numbers round up than down, since there are an odd number of ending digits that would require rounding.

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>This sounds like natural selection doing its job.
I don't think so. The urge to breed is strong enough to overcome any genetic deficiencies.

> why should any woman want to attach herself to someone who isn't even able to be middle class?
What do you mean by "attach," because woman will still have relationships that don't necessarily need to be marriages

Because there's literally not enough men like that for all of them. Roasties will never learn though, and would rather try and try to get a man like that even though they never will than date down

>men must offer: job security, high income, a house, be handsome, have people skills, be tall
>women must offer: have a vagina

The equality and affirmative action have made women become earners where they now must compete for a smaller amount of men because women only marry up where as before they married men who were hard workers because women were for the house and children. You see meme flag women do want bread winners but they always want someone who makes more bread. When they become bread winners they want those who are higher bread winners due to female nature and with them earning the pool of men becomes smaller and smaller as they make more. Leading to a huge loss (in their minds) of marriageable men.

There is more than enough for men who are not degenerates

That's fine.
The problem is that these men do breed; they just don't support their children.
Look at how many single moms there are.

you're retarded

You're not entirely wrong. You must be your own man, and rise to your fullest potential, that's the basis of a good life. But women really should judge you by your ability to provide. Looks and character check boxes, sure, but a woman has to rely on you to ensure her wellbeing and that of her children. It's natural, and right, for women to hold wealth in high regard.

Yes but I hold women being chaste in high regard so this kind of defeats the arrangement in today’s world.

Sure thing, the urge to breed is a serious motivator. As such, it's a good thing that women also have an urge for self-preservation, and thus consider a partners income.

Women certainly do have relationships outside of marriage, but that's not ideal, and it doesn't work out well on average.

>synthetic husband
Defined as an estimated sociodemographic depiction of characteristics based on husbands of other comparatively socioeconomic status married women.

Ie. If she is say a lawyer, the estimated potential husband is what would be typically chosen by other female lawyers (so essentially another lawyer/doctor).

>30% more likely to be employed
>19% more likely to have a degree
They are essentially starting with the premise that a woman must marry of equal status or higher and generating potential mate examples then wondering they don't exist while never looking at the economics/educational opportunities available. It's flawed from the start.

Some notes to take away from the study:

Based on organic supply
>average man is 33
>average man has a 69% chance of being white
>average man makes $31,366 per year
>86% complete high school
>45% have some college
>23% have a degree

What women want based on synthetics
>average man is 36
>74% chance of being white
>average man makes $52,020 per year
>91% have completed high school
>58% have some college
>34% have a degree

What this means is that women want a man who makes 66% higher than average minimum and has a likelihood of having a degree that is 49% higher than average minimum. Essentially their views are incompatible with reality.

The authors not contributing factors as
>higher educational attainment for women (57%) have a bachelor's
>female hypergamy
>later marriages
>hook up culture

Author believes people should marry in college as it shows an increased likelihood of graduating college.

Men.
80% of men should not be procreating.
However 20% of men should have multiple wives so women need to share

>buying papers
>ever
Even the ancapiest folks consider buying papers to be bullshit. The researchers PAY to get published, and curation is done by volunteers for free. Use SciHub to view them

Why would you ask if you didn't already know the answer?!?!?!

Those are the only men that matter though (not MBAs, but achievers). In this world, if you're not successful it's due to flawed character or you're somehow broken. Either way, women are right to avoid you.

Sure, there are a lot of screwed up men and screwed up women who still end up screwing, but their lives ain't a fairytale.

Just reaffirms women have no concept of money and are looking for someone to bail them out

I'm moderately successful but not enough for these stuck up cunts. You do realize that women are throwing away 90% of men immediately right? This is how revolutions start.

>Four years at college, then another 2 for an MBA. All of the sudden you're 23
So you start collage at sixteen you fucking nigger?

Yeah, I watched that lecture too.

Truth is, most women really don't want to be bread winners. What they want is children, and a perfect environment to have and raise them in. They go into the workforce because income equates to a degree of certainty with respect to quality of life.

It's true that women mate across and up the social hierarchy, but remember that the apex of that hierarchy, from the perspective of women, is the perfect provider and father to their children.

Exactly, they do breed, and the outcome is pretty much shit for everyone involved. With this in mind, can you really blame women for being picky, and competing desperately for the best men?

This is why you dont date women over 25

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Virtues and Vices man, turns out they are way more than just nice things they told us about in Sunday school.

A person of character isn't a slave to their urges and desires, but a master of their conduct. As such, chastity indicates strength of character, as does fitness, honesty, confidence, and abstinence from drugs and alcohol.

It's self-defeating to hold others to impossable standards, but we owe it to ourselves to find and hold the best people we can.

17 bro. When did you start college?

>are throwing away 90% of men immediately right?
90% of men are not virgins

Neither am I but we're talking about "marriage material men" here not sex