Trades, tradesman, and their political impact

I would like to continue the last thread. found it pretty interesting, and it may be helpful to others looking for direction. What kind of political impact would it have if more millennials and zoomers worked in the trades?

>OP from last thread
>This is the other glaring flaw at the heart of the case for welding as the ideal alternative to college. The overwhelming majority of American welders are not earning $150,000 a year. Not even close. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average annual salary for an experienced welder in 2018 was a little more than $41,000 a year—which was only about $16,000 above the poverty line for a family of four.
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bls is meme tier for salaries, but welders are not making 150k a year unless their name is on the front door or they work in an undesirable environment.

Lot of modern day contractors charge way too much more basic shit, I wish retards would stop paying so much money for standard work, but thats really the only reason why contractors make so much money, they go after the rich ones and sucker them. Trade work shouldn't be a rich mans profession so it's good they're not paid too much

definitely not disagreeing with you. but these trades rarely have you doing one thing. welding could eventually lad you a spot as a glazier or maybe in a carpenters union doing whatever theyll send you out to train for (obviously depending on union/location), inspector, instructor, etc...

we can also discuss the impact of unions: good or bad. why (((they))) discourage trades so much and how college became so promoted to begin with. some anons in the last thread touched on some interesting stuff about that and some questionable banking practices.

some of the contractors ive seen have just been sleazy, take no responsibility" that just hire illegals. others have been quality tradesman that did solid work that was worth their price. a lot of people want too much for too little and vice versa for some contractors.

huh
i guess this topic ran it's course in the last thread. seemed like a lot of interesting since it hit bump limit and then some. maybe all the tradies have to wake up early

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In Canada,

Welders can make $125/hr with their own truck. They get up to $175 per diem for hotel and food.

Welding inspectors make anywhere from $800-$1600/day, plus $100/day for their truck, plus $150-75 per diem.

These are “big inch” rates and a guy can gross over $150k in a matter of 5 months. Since most work as contractors, you pay yourself what you want. Many pay themselves $20 per hour and keep the rest in their personal corporation, so as far as the tax man is concerned, they are just earning $40k per year in wage income.

I just talked to a guy who we t to an INGAA event, and they said the USA is planning on doubling its interstate pipeline capacity over the next decade, so this is a great time to get into pipeline welding.

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im also interested in the offshore stuff if the user from the last thread is still around

you that canadian from the last thread talking oilfields?

>I just talked to a guy who went to an INGAA event, and they said the USA is planning on doubling its interstate pipeline capacity over the next decade, so this is a great time to get into pipeline welding.
thats good to know. i really dont think welding will go out of style or be automated out (besides station welding like we have already seen in some occupations) unless we get some big breakthroughs in tech or metallurgy.

>flood labor market with skilled tradesmen, driving down wages
>cede professional overclass to jews, poos, and chinks
>fulfill white inbred stereotype
Reminder that kikes are shilling the trade meme only to whites while simultaneously pushing for more high skilled immigration.

i dont think i can agree with you. it is SKILLED labor we are talking about; and as far as im aware, most immigrants that end up in the US are unskilled. not everyone can run a solid bead white, black, or brown. i THINK some of these trade jobs might be the only safe haven from hordes of unskilled labor being imported. in this case im specifically talking certified SMAW welding. im not sure how steep some of the learning curves are in other trades.

You don't deserve money for basic work, nor do you deserve a good quality of life. Your job is to do your work and be proud you get anything at all for such shitty "craftsmanship", those tradesmen before you did a better job for peanuts. High paying jobs are for people with an IQ above 100, giving the retarded masses money is part of our problem

And while you're being a retard the jews are still flooding all the high IQ positions and actual positions of power with more foreigners, so you're just jewing your own people out of a country but limiting yourself to shit a nigger can do

whoah, easy, guy. im not a contractor. i can see what you mean about positions of power being taken/given away, but we're not all built for that. i think trades are just one option of many that allows one to go a different route instead of having to take on student loan debt for a degree in a possibly over saturated field.
do you want to force people into fields that they are not qualified for or are incapable of doing? sounds a bit familiar if you ask me.

This guy gets it. The trade meme is a psyop that preys on Jow Forums's distaste for leftist academics and liberal pseudointellectualism. Don't fall for it.

Three opposite of what would happen if everyone worked in government, like what Bernie promised for the unemployed...

i wanted to talk about the possible impact of more people from Jow Forums being involved in the trades on politics. if you believe that will leave a void in high IQ, power positions (political office), i think i can understand your sentiment.
im in the camp that i dont think it wont leave a void. BUT i also think if youre not built for whatever trade you shouldnt be there. if youre not built for college you shouldnt be there either
im not a mental giant. i dont think id thrive in higher education.

im not sure i know what you mean. can you elaborate? im not talking entire populations.
strictly Jow Forums
it seems like Jow Forums has a pretty varied mix of blue collar, white collar, and NEET.

You don't need to be in a union to learn a trade.

trades are gatekeeped by boomers and illegals

agreed. but for many theyre the most direct path.
for many they are not. i live in a nanny state with 3 or 4 trade unions within spitting distance.
that makes me curious of something else. are unions "good" or "bad?" i know many unions push there people to vote blue. but do they? i remember watching some protest footage where there were "union" people holding up a banner about not liking trump, the wall, or some other bullshit. they didnt look like they worked with their hands though

boomers i could see, but illegals? which trades?

their

I own a painting business and I try to make 50 dollars plus per man hour worked on a job. I pay my guys 20 and up per hour, and after taxes and workers comp its another 20%.

Some jobs I lose money on, but for the most part we do ok. I'll net around 150k this year, which is great for the region I live. When you factor in the fact that there is no unemploymemt, retirement fund, vacation pay or other fringe benefits , 150k a year sounds like a more monest income. Still the freedom and independence is very nice and the hours are good because I pick them.

Ive been in a several unions before striking it on my own. They had organizers tell us how to vote, and would mail us phamphlets and other materials urging us to vote democrat every time. Unions were started by socialists and criminals and nothing has changed in 150 years.

around here there is an alarming number of obvious fresh over the border immigrants doing refrigeration and AC

that is alarming. maybe the trades arent as safe as i think. they could be though maybe...

ive heard similar things, but the most experience ive had with unions is mob movies with union busting. would you discourage people from joining unions at the beginning of their respective trade careers?

I'm not discouraging it, but I would emcourage you to go in with open eyes. Ive seen a lot of journeyman tradesman get pretty puffed up in their status and think they are better than everyone and call nonunion tradesmen '
"Rats". Dont be that guy if you go union. An apprenticeship that teaches skills is still a viable career option.

If you want to learn more about the politics behind unions I would encourage you to read the book "Betrayal" by Linda Chavez.

i dont think id be that guy. i just want to get my certs, make money, and maybe show some other fucks on Jow Forums that there might be other ways other than taking debt upon yourself to some lender. i like working with my hand, and i like swinging a wrench.
i will check that book out, friend.
that first part is more directed at the others than you.

>i wanted to talk about the possible impact of more people from Jow Forums being involved in the trades on politics.
That's the problem, people shouldn't be going into trades, they should be going into government and politics and STEM to take it back from the kikes and women who've fucked it all up

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Dont you think that there are people who are good fits for all types of career paths? You can take your political views with you to any place or job, just like you can take your religion.

Agreed, it is a good way to get an education without taking on unnecessary debt.

Yeah but the problem is at the end of the day your IQ is low and you're low quality and of low stock. Giving money to the masses was the biggest mistake we ever made because the masses, like you, consume nothing but jew shit shoveled into your mouth all day long and will defend it. You're also the first ones to throw your countrymen under the bus which labels you a traitor as well, you have no country or religion, you're just a leaf in the wind

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>at the end of the day your IQ is low
get fuuucked, guy. the average white IQ in the states in somewhere around 105; give or take a couple points. the average person is dumb as shit, and they are easily manipulated (as evidenced by these positions of power that are no longer being held). you want all of us running for office? which one of us would you like working YOUR campaign office?
who do you want maintaining your infrastructure or building new works once you gain power? we're not all politicians thank god.
and you post MadMen of all things. what a joke

Thats a lot to glean from just a few words friend. I love America with all my heart
, I'm more educated that you think, and am very active in my faith.

this was probably the correct response. metered and succint
i just think we all have our roles to play

Besr of luck with your future career. Just remember, never think you are too good for any type of work be it cleaning a toilet, emptying trash, or caring for the elderly.
If you do this you will never be afraid because you will know you can always supoort yourself and help those you love.

>Besr of luck with your future career.
thanks, man. same to you. i appreciate the words of wisdom
>Just remember, never think you are too good for any type of work
especially because i often forget this.

>never think you are too good for any type of work
kys kike