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"Islam is bad because they don't have enough freedom!"
>also Jow Forums
"We're fucked because we gave our women freedom, oops"

well, which is it?

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Islam is pig shit for more reasons than only that.

go make some more strawman arguments or fuck a goat or whatever you muhammed pedo sand niggers do with your free time.

have sex incel

They listened to Jews, even we don't listen to eachother; Only the commandments of g*d.

incorrect!
islam is bad because it's wrong.

A) Not everyone here is stupid enough to think we're fucked because we have women freedom
B) Even those who DO think that mostly just want stay at home moms to be the norm again

No one who is sane would ever think it's okay to treat woman the way muslims do.

Then again your prophet is a fucking pedophile, so I don't know why i'd expect any differently

Just because we're against similar things in some cases doesn't mean we like you, and we never will.

there was a healthy balance up until 1950

they shouldn't require a male escort but they shouldn't be sucking cock in a nightclub

incorrect!
islam is good because it's right

Have freedom for women sorry was a long night

>A) Not everyone here is stupid enough to think we're fucked because we have women freedom
Kek. You realise no civilisation ever recovered from the 'giving women freedom' stage? What makes you think you'll buck the trend?
On top of that you follow the other patterns for failing/failed civilisations, oppressive and unrepayable public debt, rampant faggotry and dumb and fruitless military campaigns to """stimulate""" your economy.

The main figure other than god in your religion is a pedo, you think it's okay to kill others because they don't share your religion, you torture and you spread your message using fear

Nothing about Islam is right

Isn't it funny how you people always focus on that one debunked point about Muhammad and you never argue against the core monotheistic ideology of Islam?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder why

Don't talk about civilization.
Islam does nothing but destroy civilization, you are just like the Jews

You don't even have the guts to invade, you don't have the balls to state your intentions. You hide under the guise of needing help and then harm those who try to help
You shoot people over drawing your pedophile prophet then complain when people are mean to you

Islam is a cancer and Muslims are the tumors, you do nothing but spread pain and death

There is only God and Mohammed (pbuh) is his prophet.

says the faggot whose people worked out how to civilisation only before the subsaharan niggers in terms of chronology

Peace, brother.

It wasn't debunked no matter how many times you say it was

She was wed at 6 and he fucked her when she was 9.

I'm Christian , my god is the real god, the fact Jesus didn't need to force people to kill to spread his religion. A prophet who was pure and holy. A true prophet, a true son of God.
Everything about Islam is bullshit, it is nothing but a book of violence and hatred

>they shouldn't require a male escort
They should though, because women are the human cattle.

if I was an incel then no sex would still be better than fucking goats like your father or getting impregnated by dogs like your mother.

Say he’s Allah the only one, we only need him and he needs no one. He has no children no daughter no son say he’s Allah the only one.

>It wasn't debunked no matter how many times you say it was

It's been debunked you cowardly faggot
youtube.com/watch?v=eT-Rh1auG0A

youtube.com/watch?v=Mw05XUx0CrM

1. Freedom to do right or wrong.
2. Do right.

Shut the fuck up, Muslim societies are on the same level as subsaharan African societies

Public executions? Check
Quick to react with violence when questioned? Check
Destroy everything they come in contact with? Check

It's pretty sad we worked it out after you and do it so, so much better

Piss be upon Mohammed

There's also traditional European family.
Islam allowed harems and concubines and slaves and other degeneracy.

Two sand niggers talking isn't a debunking idiot

It very clearly says how old she was

>Public executions
are absolutely based and you wish your countries could be this based
The other two are your emotions and subjective observation

no, he's right, fuck off and leave my country while you're at it

Okay so when you're presented with an argument your counter-argument is that "it's not a debunking idiot".
Okay. Nice empiricism, friend. Nice civilisation.

In the first place I don't see how that's wrong and in the second I don't see how it's contradictory

>l-leave m-my c-country!
nah

Islam is a cult started by a warlord who raped, enslaved and murdered. Worshiping such a man shows the defect in the entire "religion". Everything else that has come from it, destruction of countless cultures, art and innovation; is just a logical conclusion from the fact of what it is: a death cult. Anything that has to be spread and maintained by force, violence and tyranny is not from God.

Have a stable relationship.

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>Worshiping such a man
That's where you're wrong

>Anything that has to be spread and maintained by force, violence and tyranny is not from God.
Also your reasoning for this is unsound. You make the mistake of assuming that God must fit the truth to your personal idea of God. That has never been the case, ever.

She flat out states her age
It says the year she was born, it says the year she was wed, the year 613
She was wed in 620
Guess what, that puts her right at 6/7 depending on the month she was born and when she was wed

>It
What? What's this "it"?

I predict that long before the time we start getting to the empirical facts regarding this, you're going to run away with your tail between your legs.

You ever wonder why your religion is the only one that actively spreads it's message through violence?

Maybe because your prophet is a fucking lunatic (and a pedo no matter how much you deny it) and your God is a false god

Wait hol' up...., Islam was started by Donald Trump???
I did not know that.

Islam is the best religion, but it's still shit.
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nobody cares, you're brown and smelly and you're living in what was at least formally a white country because you know your own people are incapable of stepping out of the 13th century. Whether or not your smelly brown prophet was a pedo or not is fucking secondary

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She says "I found my parents as Muslims " refering to the revelation . If her parents were already Muslims, she wasnt alive when they weren't Muslims

I'm not familiar with the exact text, but both that statement and her date of birth and date of marriage can be found in historical texts, I believe the original hadiths?

Damn these are like the only two options as well. Gud thought user, keep it up! :)

>and a pedo no matter how much you deny it
Yeah I just debunked you, no matter how much you deny it

Yeah everyone reading this can see the asspullery going on, just stop

The sahih Bukhari book 63 hadith 122 and 123 both specifically state her age

>wanc
even your id knows you're a wanker

And I already covered why those hadith are wrong in the 2 videos I posted. Go watch them, they're not that long.

I would take anything than seeing white women with niggers. A merge with china, islam, communism. No i dont have a small penis, its 8 inches before you meme.

Its just a visceral disgust, an evil horrible destruction of any meaningful fight against (((hegemony))). It also disgusts me just as much to see white men take all this shit and not fight back, acting like fags and worse of all, worshipping niggers.

Would our forebears who sailed to the americas, saw thier brothers and sisters get their scalp ripped off and marched on washington in kkk outfits take this shit. No.

Would the chinese or arabs let niggers flaunt their women without rioting. No. This only happens in the (((west))). I have no allegience to the (((west))). I dont feel this when i see a white woman with an asian, arab or hispanic even if they are 10 times more atttractive than me, children of these relationships could still rise up as a proletariat. But not the children of niggers, which is why (((they))) love them so much. It isnt jealousy its disgust.

Book 67, Hadith 69 also states she was 6 and he fucked her at 9

It says it in multiple collections
Hadith 1422a
This one is AISHA stating her age, I'm pretty sure she'd know how old she was

Islam is right about women.

You aren’t married to a woman are you.

Do you even understand the argument being made against these Hadith by the scholars in the videos I linked? They're not the only ones btw.
And no, before you claim that this is simply a retcon because Hadith advocating pedophilia are simply inconvenient in the modern era, other hadith than these have been debunked over the ages when they were found to be faulty and in contradiction to the Quran.

Snopes debunked it.

There is nothing in the Quran that contradicts her stating her age

Her age is stated in those hadiths and not in the quran, there is no contradiction here.
If it said one age in the hadiths and one in the Quran, then you'd have a point.

No contradiction here, the only arguments ignore the fact she states her age herself and others say it

>226528888

stop posting these threads you fucking faggot you have to go back

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It's called a continuum, your examples would be on opposing poles.

Ignore the pedo.

So you're just going to ignore the arguments made. Okay then.
>When you argue against pedos that means you're a pedo
truly the best in golem logic

Once euros start fucking goats on a mass scale you will start questioning islam and embrace christianity for fucking horse pussy

lol yeah debunked by some sheepfuckers that don't want to lose by admitting their prophet is a fucking pedophile.

Your flag matches your post Mohammed

Also here I read this
islamicbooks.info/H-28-Arabic-Variable/Aisha-Age Marrying the Prophet.htm

Most of the contradictions he listed are baseless
1) it says her parents were married in 23BH and for some reason brings up birth control and not having it. And then goes on to say it wouldn't be unreasonable to think they had 2 kids in a few years, then goes to say it would take SIX YEARS to have two kids?? Before birth control people could have two kids in less than two years
2) he uses aishas claim she was the 19th person to accept islam, yet ignores the fact AISHA stated her age herself. He's picking and choosing what to believe because.he can't accept his prophet is a pedophile
3) then he goes to say she was the third child to accept islam, one was born in 23bh, the other was born 35bh. After stating these birthdays be goes to say Aishas bday should be placed at 18bh because there can't be more than a decade between them, despite there being 12 years between the first two

>that don't want to lose
woah, that fucking projection

is it fucking greyhound?

Islam has some great qualities, especially to buffer against the destructiveness of consumerism
>Women take their role seriously, and hold the value of community in high esteem
>Strong fraternal culture
>family is valued highly
>dedication to prayer and God that can be very beneficial
Though it's still inherently external to europe, doesn't value pursuit of knowledge, which has been evident for hundreds of years since that relatively brief period when they took Byzantine empire. The family culture has some pluses but the ease with which they excommunicate each other prevents any transgressive thought that leads to artistic or scientific innovation. They close down when confronted with scientific contradictions in the quaran. Women still have potential , this trend of rejecting their biology is just a fad and will be mocked in the future like we mock hippies now. I do not think it is the only way to reach God or live a virtuous life.

Nope.

You said the other hadiths were ignored because of contradictions with the Quran

Aisha never states her age in the Quran, there is no contradiction with that hadith.
I explained here why none of these contradictions hold weight, everything they use agaisnt it is either A) speculation or B) statements they choose to ignore THAT THE PERSON IN QUESTION MADE

Those two things are not opposites.

>Aisha never states her age in the Quran, there is no contradiction with that hadith.
You're missing the point entirely. Go watch the videos.

I'd be OK with Islam if they got rid of all the other stupid shit in it and was 100% just a religion of oppressing women.

Nope.
Also just so you know, YouTube videos of incoherent idiots aren't actual sources.
I looked up the hadiths in question, I tried to find anything in the Quran that says otherwise about her age

The only ways to argue her age is to call Aisha a liar.

Fuck off Ahmed

"Islam is bad because they don't have enough freedom!"

No one says that here. That's what normal conservatives think. Normal conservatives also think women should have freedom.

Here, we don't like Muslims because of the countless wars throughout history. Like for what reason did the usa initially Commission it's Navy? Cause fucking Muslims from Tripoli wouldn't stop enslaving our guys. But you know odds are people on pol wouldn't even bother saying that. If you asked the average pol user why they hate Muslims they'd say "Cause they're retarded shitskin sand niggers" and think that is reason enough

Satan is bad.
Satanic women are bad.

Why are you having trouble understanding this, Achmed?

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>Nope
Yes you are. You just proved it further on in this comment.
> I tried to find anything in the Quran that says otherwise about her age
That's *not* the point being made by any scholar. Go learn more.

>Like for what reason did the usa initially Commission it's Navy? Cause fucking Muslims from Tripoli wouldn't stop enslaving our guys
lol i bet that was another false flag

It’s more about you worshiping a nonwhite subhuman and 99% of Islam practitioners being brown and black. Nevermind your goatfuck religion being anti-scientific and anti-European to the bone
this

>they hate Muslims shitskins etc etc
>and 99% of Islam practitioners being brown and black

Yeah that's why I said Islam. If people of a certain colour follow a certain ideology, it doesn't mean the ideology itself is wrong. That's like the height of dumbfuckery. Not even sure why I'm wasting a comment replying to such a shitty low-tier "argument".
both of you, kys

The points they bring up are called contradictions that don't exist.

You fucking goat fuckers make me so mad you are so dishonest and parasitic

If Mohammed ever comes back im gonna fuck that kiddie fucker up myself. Piss be upon him while hes getting fucked in hell by a pig

Allah won't save you bud, the real prophets coming back soon

That ideology is wrong from the very beginning, because it follows an arabic subhuman that has a nigger Bilal as a friend.

If you think that some non-racist arab with a nigger pal is a prophet you must be fucking retarded lmao

Whatever goes against principles of tribalism and social darwinism is bullshit

>Prophet is a pedophile
>Worship a litteral moon god
>Threaten those you disagree with at the drop of a hat
>Resort to violence at the drop of a hat
>Literal hivemind thinkers
>Incredibly savage ideas, not a religion that promotes peace and love in the slightest
>So fucking backwards you kill each other over disagreements about THE SAME FUCKING text

Need I can continue? The people who follow the religion are the problem, the religion is

>Aren't the problem the religion is

Typo

>The points they bring up are called contradictions that don't exist.
No they're pointing out that certain verses in the Quran make it prohibited for anyone to marry a girl before she is mentally and physically mature. And also how the Hadith about Aisha contradict themselves on basic facts, i.e. about how Aisha was "married" to the Prophet. According to other more authentic and accepted Hadith, she was "gifted" to Muhammad by God so there was no marriage ceremony, it was simply a revelation and they were married. You don't seem to comprehend any of this yet you're flailing around trying to debunk me. You're stupid and you will be punished by Allah for your rudeness against the Prophet.

2 reddit spaced comments in a row. I must be doing something right to trigger you dumb bastards. Go back anytime.

well said Leaf

Here's some more just for fun

>Go after the weakest and most innocent people when you attack
>Any time you face someone who actually is going to fight back you resort to killing yourself out of cowardice and the knowledge you're all cowards, so it's easier this way
>Be so ass backwards you revere these cowards and call them martyrs
>No contributions to the world in the last 2000 years other than pain and misery
>Enter foreign countries WHO WELCOMED YOU IN A TIME OF NEED
>Ruin their country too and assault, kill and rape those who tried to help you
>Be such cowards you claim "not all Muslims" when one of you fucks blow themselves up when screaming Allah Akbar

If is you, and the world is starting to realize. Tick tock

>worships some arabic bitch that licks nigger ass of Bilal
>I was triggering you and sheeit
Drown yourself in pork juices, while your sisters sucks nigger dick in Brighton

I don't like those metal pipe things. They look complicated. Rope is better for tying women like that. You can also yank it and make her choke.

>hurr durr burning alive is bad
>just drown in the ocean broooo

Make a real argument then bro stop wasting your time

>worships
Keep forcing yourself to believe that Muslims worship Muhammad
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>>Go after the weakest and most innocent people when you attack
yeah are you talking about tarrant now?
>>Any time you face someone who actually is going to fight back you resort to killing yourself out of cowardice and the knowledge you're all cowards, so it's easier this way
not true, Lee Rigby's heroic killers are an example
>>Be so ass backwards you revere these cowards and call them martyrs
no we don't
>>No contributions to the world in the last 2000 years other than pain and misery
yeah you don't know history, or you're wilfully trying to ignore it, no one outside of this hugbox actually thinks that
>>Enter foreign countries WHO WELCOMED YOU IN A TIME OF NEED
what the fuck? and europeans have never entered foreign countries who welcomed them in a time of need? lol
>>Ruin their country too and assault, kill and rape those who tried to help you
desu given the last point you fully deserve it and worse
>>Be such cowards you claim "not all Muslims" when one of you fucks blow themselves up when screaming Allah Akbar
no, that's claimed on our behalf by your fellow redditors

>Islam is bad because they don't have enough freedom!"
No one on Jow Forums says this.

tonnes of you do tho

I really don't understand why we can't get along. The jew wants Muslims and Christians to stay apart because they fear what we can accomplish together

get the fuck back to pakistan- and we'll talk.

Freedom is fine if the culture in which it operates is good. When the culture comes debased, freedom doesnt matter any more because youve already lost.

Deepbased and pilpulpilled

Key figure of your religion is ANTI-RACIST NIGGER-LOVER. Message of islam is anti-racist. The word “islam” itself means “submission”. The whole point of being European is being racist, free thinking and rebellious

So being anti-racist submissive bitches? I’m sure that is what the jews DON’T want Europeans to become.