Why did he invade Russia? How did he lose?

Why did he invade Russia? How did he lose?

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He was a terrible military leader is the answer to both questions

>Why did he invade Russia?
Because Germany was running out of oil, and the USSR got its hands on SE European resources.

>How did he lose?
Two reasons.
1: Autumn rain turning the North European Plain into a swamp rendering infrastructure unusable.
2. Richard Sorge alias Ramsey leaking the Japanese attack plans to the USSR, leading to Stalin knowing that Japan wouldn't attack and allowing him to move Siberian troops to the western frontier.

>How did he lose?
The USSR was simply a stronger military power

>The USSR was simply a stronger military power
Ha ha ha, no. Twenty years prior the Soviets got their arses handed to them by the Poles.

THE POLES!

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And 20 years later they pillaged Berlin

He never planned to win

Q:
>Why did he invade Russia?
A:
Somebody needs to deal with kike's and slaveshit vermin

Q:
>How did he lose
Jews AKA polacks as Churchill

Took the Americans and the Brits as well.

>Why did he invade Russia?
He invaded the Soviet Union, not just russia. Also he did declare the war because the Russians were planning to invade Germany.

>How did he lose?
His Generals and commanders did not follow his battle plans (Take over/Secure/exploit Oil Resources from USSR, circle around the cities and win the long Time war)

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He invaded to obtain resources that he thought would give him a chance to make Germany a superpower that could challenge the UK and US. However, he - plus much of the rest of the German leadership - underestimated Soviet military capability and resilience by a factor of 2-3.
The Nazis were generally retarded at geopolitics. Invading Poland was probably the greatest geopolitical blunder of the 20th century.

That's fucked up right?
Like, he could've facilitated nuclear research instead of invading fucking Soviet Union. With the efforts of the all brightest scientists (of Germany AND France) directed towards the goal of developing nuclear weapons, they would have nuke earlier than Americans. And remember that Germans developed and actually invented ballistic missiles during WW1. What were they called, V-1? They were routinely targeting London with those. They did quite a bit of destruction, although limited due to issues with accuracy. These were the first combat ready ballistic missiles, you know. Imagine if those were armed with nuclear warhead. Accuracy stops being an issue momentarily, doesn't it?

So that's why I kinda agree with

>actually invented ballistic missiles during WW2*
My bad.

ww2 and the man of steel

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Probaby half of Germany's best physicists were Jewish or had Jew friends and Hitler, obviously, antagonized them and drove them to flee to the West. By the late 30s Germany had already basically lost the race to nukes, a race that most Nazis didn't even realize was happening. The West had a crushing head start.

Well, actually German scientists are said to have had adequate knowledge of nuclear physics. When Von Braun was detained he was given two weeks to prepare for a presentation before physicists and managed to hit it out of the park.

The reason for that? Well, we don't know, but it's possible that since scientists didn't have to serve on the front they didn't want to risk researching in a direction that wouldn't have been successful. Now it *would've* been successful, but they didn't know.

To reclaim German land
He didn't kill enough of the enemies.

>Like, he could've facilitated nuclear research instead of invading fucking Soviet Union.

This argument never makes sense. Destroying communism and the USSR was one of Hitler's main ideological goals. Saying that Hitler shouldn't have touched the USSR is like saying that the IRA should never have waged a war of independence. Well, if the IRA had no interest in a war of independence, then they're not the IRA anymore, are they? Once you remove an individual's core ideological goal, history simply doesn't make sense anymore and the argument becomes nonsensical.

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> Why did he invade Russia?
He was a NWO puppet an took his orders from them
> How did he lose?
It was planned by the elites right from the start to let Germany lose.

Why do you guys think they did this? Why did Germany engage in 2 World Wars they couldn't win?

It was planned and executed by Rockefeller, Warburg, JP Morgan and the Rothschilds.
The Bank for international settlement (BIS) in Basel financed Hitler.
It exists to this day. Ever wondered why Switzerland never was attacked?

He rationalizes it away in My Struggle by saying "Russia is so rotten, that we'll just kick the door in and the whole building will collapse", but after consulting with his generals and intelligence staff once he came to power he must've known otherwise. He simply thought he could succeed where Napoleon failed, that's the gist of it, self-conceit.

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He wasn't as stupid as people claim. He did take most of continental europe with very few casualties. He defeated the french. People have to remember that before the final big gamble he could have easily been considered one of the greatest statesmen in history. I mean conquering all of continental europe with less than 300,000 casualties? Crazy.

He wrote "Mein Kampf" right after the USSR got their arses handed to them by the Poles, though. Heck, I'd assume the same.

>How did he lose?
he ran out of oil.
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...because shekels?
Did you guys have international banks during WW1 era and before?

>It was planned by the elites right from the start to let Germany lose.
It was planned by the elites to let both Germany and Russia lose, and then for the West to take over. Hitler was probably aware of this, what other sense could the appeasement strategy have made? He just thought he could trick them all and defeat both the West and Russia.

He invaded for Lebensraum. Eastern Europe has lots of fertile lands and he wanted that for future Germanic peoples.

He lost for a lot of reasons.

The #1 reason he lost was because Germany wasn't a mechanised army. They were still relying on 600k horses pulling wagons to supply the front lines. This gave the Wehrmacht a maximum extent of 500 miles from Germany. This is about as far as Moscow, or half the distance to Baku. It's so coincidence that's where the Wehrmacht's advance came to a halt here. The Germans were unable to get things as simple as fuel or winter clothing to the front lines at this distance.

Most of the reasons Jow Forums writes about are just terrible memes from history channel because this board is full of uneducated teenagers

>His Generals and commanders did not follow his battle plans (Take over/Secure/exploit Oil Resources from USSR, circle around the cities and win the long Time war)

When I saw videos about the German invasion in Soviet lands, I kept wondering why tf won't the Germans go for the oil resources instead of going head first into the city.

> ...because shekels?
Not really shekels. If you are in the position of a Rothschild you print your own shekels. It is all about transforming humanity into a serving class to the ruling families. It's pretty fucked up actually.
> Did you guys have international banks during WW1 era and before?
The FED was founded before WW1 and the Reichsbank was always under Rothschild control.

Because oil resources don't mean much when you still have an army to deal with?

he took some highly risky maneuvers, massive gambles. It could have easily flopped real early and ended up losing far sooner

because the Wehrmacht wasn't mechanized, they only made it half way to Baku when they attempted to get there in the second campaign. They literally did not have the ability to reach USSR's oil resources. And if they did the Red Army would have just done a crescent around them and cut them off from everything.

>How did he lose?
By declaring war on the US.

Without that, the US would have had no basis for entering the war in Europe. And Germany could have taken the resources used to built up the Atlantic Wall (troops, armament) and thrown them against Russia too. At that point, Britain wasn't remotely a threat to invade the continent so those defenses wouldn't have been needed.

Do you mean finns, retarded user?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Soviet_War

I think Hitler was autistic or something.
He chased around his niece too and made her commit suicide because he wouldn't let her date anyone except him.
And he invaded Russia because he " earned for another victory ". The man child was not winning fast enough with the British war so lets start another one!

Look up McCollum memo. The US was always gonna enter the war as soon as Britain was threatened.

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The Nazis disregarded nuclear science as 'jewish science' and instead believed in something called Welteislehre. Look up Welteislehre it's the old ice glacier theory of the universe which is a fucking joke. Because of their persecution of Jewish peoples and defunding of nuclear science, all the people that could have built a bomb for them fled to America and built a bomb for them. Germany had great scientific institutions before the Nazis but they politicized everything and ruined it.

>The USSR was simply a stronger military power
So stupid. Russia lost 11 million soldiers.
Germany lost around 700k to them.
Did you know Russia didn't even arm many of it's soldiers when they went into battle?
They were expected to charge forward and find a rifle laying on the ground.

ussr without stalin is worst than nigeria

>The man child was not winning fast enough with the British war so lets start another one!
>what is Dünkirchen

>Why did he invade Russia
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Because German military could no longer achieve any victories against UK and German state kept its people employed by printing their own currency without exporting much anything to foreign countries. They were basically worse than North Korea is now with trade. Also they were rationing goods at the time to keep society funtioning. Even if they kept the stalemate with the UK they were in much worse situation economically, because unlike UK they couldn't trade with rest of the world.

Germany could either try if they could beat USSR with their sneak attack or wait if Russians attack instead on a weak moment when they're fighting with the UK.
Hitler was simply trash diplomat. Nobody can take on the whole world and win.

The 6th Army was already besieged in Stalingrad before 90% of the materials of Lend-Lease started arriving to help the Russians. Lend-Lease sped up the war, but the Germans pretty much lost the war after the first winter trying to take Moscow. That's when they lost most of their veterans which made up the Wehrmacht's spearhead, and moved the remainder veterans into 6th Army for the new spearhead for the Summer campaign. But the Battle of Moscow was the deciding point of the war with hindsight, the Battle of Stalingrad was when the whole world knew at the time that Germany was going to lose this war

>Germany lost around 700k to them.
what are you talking about? they lost a good 5 million, not including their allies.

>Why did he invade Russia?
Stalin was a faggot who violated Germany and the USSRs trade pact when Hitler needed oil.
>How did he lose?
Because Operation Barbarossa was basically a final Hail Mary and Hitler found himself stuck between a rock and a hard place. There was no way he could've won if he stayed put and didn't invade Russia so he figured he had nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing so.

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>they lost a good 5 million
Not to the Russians they did not. Germans lost about 700k to them.

>Stalin was a faggot who violated Germany and the USSRs trade pact when Hitler needed oil.

you're an actual retard if you believe this to be the reason to invade the USSR

>They were expected to charge forward and find a rifle laying on the ground.
Good Call of Duty 2 meme, I'm sure they send unarmed armies to battle.

>Good Call of Duty 2 meme
I've never played Call of Duty. I just make fun of the name of it because I like it say it's about taking a shit.
And yea, it was that. It's documented history bitch.

google search WW2 German losses. Comes up as 4.3 million

they lost most of their army fighting the russians. 8/10 casualties were on the eastern front. I have no idea how insane you have to be to still deny the soviets fucked up the germans fair and square. the russians destroyed them and americans act like nothing ever happened.

There are many reasons as to why he invaded the Soviets. The biggest and most obvious were that the Soviets would inevitably attack Germany, and by that time their mobilization they had started during the interwar period would be complete and they would have recovered from the army and political purges conducted by Stalin just before the war. The second reason is that communist are the ideological enemy of the National Socialists. Hitler despised the Soviet Union and believed they were one of the most dangerous enemies of the German people. During the time Germany invaded the Soviets were perceived as weak to the whole world. You have to remember that they suffered massive losses to Finland during the winter war of 1940. Twenty years prior to that the Soviets lost a war to the Polish. Finally, the Germans were at their peak performance just before they invaded. France had been crushed with a swift invasion, and most of western and southern Europe laid under Germany's control. Britain, while isolated still held great strength, and they also were receiving military equipment from the United States. Hitler knew an invasion of Britain was out of picture, and they would not come to the peace tables anytime soon. The Soviets held resources valuable to the German war effort that could Germany to theoretically wage and endless war if it came to it. Food, oil, steel, and industry required to win wars would be under Hitlers grasp if he could eliminate the Soviet Union.
There are perhaps even more reasons as to why they lost the war, but I am more uncertain about those

I'd believe it. Jow Forums makes fun of communism, but you have to understand just how much of a shitshow it was. They had *no* idea what they were doing.

I don't even think the reason why capitalism tends to work is because drive and ambition isn't rewarded in communism - I think it's because if you actually work in a particular field you know what works and what doesn't and how to keep production running. With the NEP party members who hadn't worked a single day in their lives decided about how to produce X in Y quantities.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy

It's a miracle the USSR didn't actually completely fold when Germany invaded due to their production fuckups.

It was never true. The soviets didn't have a shortage of weapons. Every single military historian dispels this meme, even the viciously anti-communist ones.

Come on. I know you have your political prejudices but even a caveman wouldn't send unarmed guy vs. guy with a mace unless he wanted to bully him or have him killed.

>The #1 reason he lost was because Germany wasn't a mechanised army.
And because they had less reserves, and because they had less oil, rare metals, and so on and so forth. There's a hundred reasons why the war was lost before it had even begun, assuming that Russia was an equal combatant, but of course he didn't assume that, which is the actual reason he dared to invade.
>He invaded for Lebensraum.
That wasn't his short-time goal, he just wanted to avoid a two-front war, because he knew time didn't favor him.

They did have a good idea what they were doing. They developed Deep Battle Doctrine before the war, which once it was implemented the Germans were never able to adapt to. The problem is with Stalin. He purged the Red Army which wiped out a lot of their most experienced people. He switched out the guys that developed Deep Battle Doctrine and saw the value in tanks with guys that thought tanks were a fad and that cavalry would make a return. Stalin didn't believe Germany would attack despite his own intel saying they were preparing to, he believed the Japanese would attack so he had 30+ divisions in the far East which he didn't bring back to the West until the Germans were at Moscow.

Had it been anyone else in control of the USSR in the lead up to Hitler's attack it's likely the Germans never would have reached Moscow in the first year and would have been stomped on far earlier. The duration of the Eastern Front was mostly Stalin's fuck ups

because he was insane and stupid and addicted to meth.

Didn't understand weather.

Also a meme. You can't explain such complex events with this level of simplicity. Stalin did think germany would attack. Tukhachevsky, the guy behind deep battle, was planning a military coup. Stalin was actually very susceptible to listening to his commanders after the winter war. The losses the USSR suffered against the germans were completely in line with the western losses. There was nothing irregular. It was the most powerful army that existed at that point and stomping it out was a painful process.

Nope. Hitler didn't focus on production of his logistics, he was obsessed with super weapons and new prototypes. Maybe instead of producing bullshit like pic related they could have made more trucks.

Germany was going oil from Romania and from synthetic oil. The problem wasn't a lack of fuel, it was because they couldn't get it to the front lines. Too much effort on new prototypes and super weapons and not knuckling down on important things for the war effort like logistics

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>They did have a good idea what they were doing.
When? Because they had severe food shortages due to the party selling wheat for machines.

I'd believe that they got their act together by 1938, but not prior to that.

>Stalin didn't believe Germany would attack
He didn't believe they'd attack so soon. The reason why he pushed industrialisation so hard was exactly *because* he was fearing a war with Germany.

>he believed the Japanese would attack
Nope: It's true that they didn't regard Sorge's intel highly at first, but in the end Stalin did listen to it.

Not a meme at all. Read The Red Army and the Second World War (Armies of the Second World War) by Alexander Hill. It documents all of this.

Please tell me what book you read? I bet you didn't read any book lol

A.) He wanted to destroy Communism as fast as possible
B.) He couldn't make peace with the British and invaded Russia too soon

I meant didn't believe they would attack soon. He believed Japan to be the immediate threat

>as soon as Britain was threatened.
Which would have been never, since Hitler gave up on Operation Sea Lion and invaded the USSR instead.

Hitler stupidly declared war on the US. Without that, the US would not have had any justification (nor public support) for going to war in Europe.

Read the wages of destruction. Find out why the german army was so well funded compared to the soviets. The US could not win a war against nazi germany. The french and the UK sure as fuck couldn't. The soviets stopped them at great cost, but it was not out of incompetence.

>Hitler stupidly declared war on the US.
>what is Pearl Harbour

ok but nothing I said was wrong. Check out that book. Alexander Hill does a great job in documenting everything Stalin did right and wrong, he made some colossal fuck ups.

As to Tukhachevsky, he replaced a number of his best generals with guys that thought cavalry would make a come back, who he replaced again far into Barbarossa as it became clear they were wrong.

They had an opportunity to be prepared for Barbarossa and purely because of Stalin they didn't have it.

>Americans and Brits
Nigels were irrelevant and the only thing America did was prevent the Soviets from reaching the Pyrenees

>what was D-Day to the Germans
A way to sink resources into something that would be put into the war against the USSR, of course.

>D-Day
Are you kidding? The war was already lost by then.

But they were defeated at that point. Their major shortage was always oil and production. D-Day did take some of the heat off the soviets but they woud have won regardless. Nazi germany was a nation that had no capacity to fight a long war, or to produce substantial amounts of resources.

That's not the point. The point is that the Germans defended against it when they could've put those resources into the eastern front.

Any bullet that was shot in the Normandy wouldn't be shot in the Ukraine.

they lost because of logistics and wasting their time at leningrad and sieging it to kill everyone off. Then america lend lease soviets so they can eat while they fight. In december 41 OKW lost momentum and initiative.

Why hitler lost ww2 is like why rome fell, everyone has their own gay pet theory but in reality theres too many factors to count

Yes, lets just not defend a massive invasion and let them do whatever they want. Let them capture all the port cities and start shipping in infinite troops and supplies. You are a master general.

>what is Pearl Harbour
Um, a Japanese attack on the US ?

>blocks your path

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Cool but the war was lost at that point. D-Day and western front happened because the western powers were afraid the soviets are gonna take all of europe.

I never suggested that, you straw-manning mutt. What I said is that they *did* that, not that I would've done otherwise.

>Germans put resources into it
So it hastened their defeat by a few months... America did provide resources and stopped Western Europe from becoming communist, but they were not the critical factor. Hitler should have kept Luftwaffe raids to RAF bases and not invaded the Soviets.

A provocation that let the USA to declare war on Japan and its allies.

>it's allies
That includes Germany. As in, Germany didn't stupidly declare war on the USA, but the other way round.

Read the original statement again:
>Nigels were irrelevant and the only thing America did was prevent the Soviets from reaching the Pyrenees
Taking off heat is a little bit more than the poster gives the Soviets credit for.

>that isn't to say that the USA stupidly declared war on Germany
Although there were parties that wanted to prevent a war with Germany at all costs, like Allen Dulles.

You realize Hitler declared war on America?

Germany had millions of troops, thousands of tanks and planes etc in occupied Europe, to protect against the inevitable American attack.

Without the US as an enemy, they could have thrown all that are the Soviets and crushed them.

Show your flag fellow american, and then i will explain to you why d-day had nothing to do with germanys defeat

The raf had enough planes to be counted on a few hands at the end of the battle of britain, But they had radar technology and could coordinate interception of LW aircraft, thus decieving the OKW into thinking that the british had much more planes than it really did.

Anyways the real answer is that the Nazi Party was composed of WW1 veterans stricken with PTSD who's main thesis was that the strategy and efforts taken by the German people in WW1 would be vindicated by removing the subversive elements from their society (which they blamed for losing the war) and then step-by-step recreating the blitzkrieg strategy of invading everyone around them. When this claim was tested and proven false, the Nazis were at an ideological dead end and committed suicide.

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When? Because when I open up Wikipedia all I read is:
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbour
>The attack on Pearl Harbor by the Empire of Japan on December 7, 1941, was the immediate cause of the United States' entry into World War II.[2][3][4]

Hitler was a stupid military leader though and could have defeated the Nigels if he didn’t stop raiding RAF bases

>Germany didn't stupidly declare war on the USA, but the other way round

Nope, Germany declared war (stupidly) first.

The US couldn't/wouldn't have if Germany hadn't done it already.

I think all of europe should be russian desu. Shoot every NATO soldier. They suffered so much at the hands of hair-brained western scum.

>Show your flag fellow american, and then i will explain to you why d-day had nothing to do with germanys defeat
Why do you need to see my flag for that? Nah, I won't show it. If you cannot make an argument without regard for the other person it's called ad hominem, and in that case it's better if you remain silent.

The US declared war on Japan and Hitler subsequently declared war on America.

>calls me a mutt
>whines about ad hominem

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>Why did he invade Russia?
What is the Soviet Union
Who is Stalin
First he had to take Latvia, Ukraine, Belarus from Soviet control before even getting close to Russia.
>How did he lose?
Outnumbered.
U.S. lend-lease to the commies

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Read:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_against_the_United_States

He knew that the Communists were planning an invasion of mainland Europe and proceeded to strike first as the West stabbed the Germans from one side he sent most of his forces against the East.
>Says he lost and assumes it was a military blunder
Many people get it wrong about this