You have five seconds to tell me why Francisco Franco wasn't the best fascist dictator in history
>didn't engage in dumbass brothers' war to try and re-establish some LARPY "muh empire" >still widely admired in Spain and viewed as a benevolent dictator, didn't make nationalism a taboo like the Germanic cancer did >adopted strong corporatist-syndicalist policies, managing to improve the lot of Spanish workers while at the same time being responsible for the Spanish Miracle and the second highest growth rate in the world after Japan
Franco wasn't fascist. José Antonio Primo de Rivera was.
Ian Ramirez
I always liked collecting stamps from Spain with his likeness on them.
Luke Garcia
>murdering political dissidents, mostly communists and anarchists >ultranationalist right-wing authoritarian >promoting pallingenetic ideas about a national rebirth >scapegoating Freemasons and other religious minorities for national problems, one of the major characteristics of fascism >member of the Falange, an explicitly fascistic organization
>"Widely admired" I bet you haven't been to Spain in years I kinda agree with the rest because it's true for the most part even though some details should be addressed Pretty based
Justin Myers
>"scapegoating Freemasons" >implying Freemasons are innocent gas yourself jew faggot
I went to Spain exactly a year ago, but I have to admit I didn't talk too much about politics. There seem to be old people reminiscent and longing towards his regime
Don't show them to an spanish because most of them will not get it or will probably straight out insult you, we were taught to do that.
Easton Powell
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Nathan Reyes
I mean, I could get out my copy of Hugh Thomas' The Spanish Civil War, the most respected work in the English language about the subject and school you, but why don't you just take my word for it instead of being a faggot all of your life?
>didn't make nationalism a taboo Factually correct except this. People will call you a fascist just for wearing your national flag here outside of sports events.
Connor Anderson
Oh no muh bogeyman taboo
Lol faggot
Julian Long
True, although most old people will not admit it the first time they will inevitably admit that life was better back then, a good example was my grandfather who although was intercepted by some soldiers for manifestating as a miner and almost killed always rants about immigrants and this bs of "sexual revolution".
Aaron Nelson
>Using Roger Griffin terminology when not even Griffin labels Franco fascist Franco co-opted the Falange, he wasn't their ideological leader. He was at best a fellow traveler. Salazar wasn't fascist either.
Joseph Fisher
How am I even wrong, dipshit? Either you can argue against my characterization point by point or you can automatically defer to some dusty posh Anglo-Saxon crank that's the ULTIMATE AUTHORITY on the topic
Brayden Barnes
Yeah Neo-Nazis can get bent. Have fun never being accepted into mainstream politics and never holding an iota of political power again
Caleb James
If I remember correctly were the leftists who slowly but surely made our flag a sign of fascism and not he, leftists ignored the fact that most people by the end of the dictatorship didn't want to see the fascist nor the commie flag and kept pushing it all the way til this day where you can, in the most cringy cities, see the commie flag everywhere.
Lincoln Jenkins
Yeah I know, but this country is such a lefty shithole that even normies think it's odd and "facha" to wear our flag.
Eli Reyes
>still widely admired in Spain and viewed as a benevolent dictator, didn't make nationalism a taboo like the Germanic cancer did EEEH im half spanish and this doesn't really ring true from my experience
David King
His accomplishments were remarkable but his physical traits and voice made he really unappealing
Parker Diaz
I thought only Catalans and Basques would do that. Are Castilian Spaniards that cucked?
Tyler Murphy
Sadly it's true... Arriba España
Dominic Kelly
I mean basques and catalan are way more degenerate but some castillians can be really fucking retarded also
Ian Williams
On a side note your English is really good but "manifestaciones" is a false friend
manifestar/reunir (de huelga) - to go on strike una realización - a manifestation
William Walker
It is. I remember when I saw the houses in American movies as a kid, where each and every house had their own USA flag, and thought to myself, "how murican!". Then I realised it's not unusual in other countries either, and we're the odd ones out, because of Civil war vindictment from the left.
Thank you!! Didn't know that, while I was writting it it felt a bit weird, in spanish I think both manifestar, protest and appearing are widely used.
Blake Wilson
Sorry to hear that. I too thought it was just a regional thing whereby the most heavily former Republican and separatistic regions would be the only ones like that. There's still a reason to look up. There are tons of young people here, so there's a reason to look on the bright side.
Sure but some places of Spain are doomed, where I live a guy was stabbed and killed a week ago, immigrants thus crime is increasing and the teens I know are either a bad degenerate person or a person with good intentions but so clueless and so far from reality itself that they behave like degenerates.
Noah Ward
That's a good song, never gets old, but I'd recommend you "estirpe imperial"
Jacob Jones
There is an 8 hour Granada documentary on jewtube if you are interested, it's great
Ethan Gomez
Well I don't think the crime rate in Spain is as bad as some states here in America. Anyway I would suggest if you know young people doing mistakes and being degenerates you should help them or at least advice them to be better people. If you yourself are young you should try to become friends and help them that way.
I think the main reason why the youngest generation all throughout the West are degenerate is because the parents and their community leaders never punished heavily for their mistakes.
Leo Foster
Lmao just wait a generation for all the brainwashed boomers to die out
Xavier Lopez
this. once boomers are dead things are gonna change. young people aren't falling for the holocaust lie anymore.
Blake Phillips
That's tight. El novio de la muerte isn't exactly political but it's still pretty pretty badass.
Even if what you're saying is true - and I don't have a reason to doubt it - Spain is one of the most uncucked places I've been to in Europe.
Crime rate in Spain is better than in the USA but stil it scares the shit out of you when a man is killed right next to your door and you are weaponless, with that out of the way I must admit that I should behave in a more virtous and more gentle way I think that the best way to convince someone to do something is via doing that thing and showing them that it's a good and healthy habit thus lifestyle.
Isaiah Foster
>allowed the degenerate monarchy back in >his country is now ruled by insane communists
James Bailey
Now that I'm in Dublin I must say that Its pehaps one of the most leftist and overall cringy cities I've ever visited, some people are based af mostly catholics but the rest are fucking retards.
Lincoln Brooks
Even though at a first glance there is no clear correlation between the two events it's an undeniable truth that these "kings" are weak minded and have no clear vision nor future in mind for Spain.
Too true. I was there back in November. The cost of living there is absurdly high. I met a native from Dublin that was living in a 20 euro/night youth hostel because it was cheaper than renting an apartment. Their government is made up of the most quintessential neoliberals that have made Ireland a tax haven for the rest of Europe and the North America and at the same time have relentlessly imported eastern Europeans and South Americans, especially Brazilians. All the money flowing through and the demand for housing has displaced native Dubliners, but of course if they complain they're instantly labelled racist. It's ultimately king capital over countrymen. I'm sure you're too familiar with it
Eli Lee
Franco was half Jewish. That's why the Jews left Spain alone after the war.
Juan Price
ARRIBA
Parker Torres
Sigh... ye I'm familiar with it, It's always the money and the pure greed what drives politicians nowadays if they were good in the past which I highly doubt, there is this weird balance between the greed and manging capabilities of the elite and the strong and numerous but mindless masses there must be a sweetspot we are just not getting closer to it infact we are getting even more far from it.
Christian Green
... What??
Jayden James
It's Saturday Jan - shouldn't you be manipulating exchange rates and weighing gold?
>cucked to Catholic conservativism and devolved into liberal democracy Big oof
Wyatt Diaz
He brought Moroccan Riffians to kill his enemies in Spain, fucking cuck.
Oliver Brooks
Wild exaggeration. Like nearly every other Euro member, the monarch is a flaccid ceremonial figure and politics are dominated by social democratic-socialist coalition and center-right 'Christian democrats' a far cry from being ruled by insane communists
Anthony Fisher
Nah you're just still butthurt about the Spanish Netherlands. Importing North Africans to use as cannon fodder in the front lines of a civil war is pretty cool
Bentley Bell
It's actually insane feminists/ecologists/pro-LGTBXYZ which is about as bad as insane commies.
Matthew Ortiz
>fascist dictator >worth a shit Pick only one
David Hernandez
what the fuck are you even talking about? The dictatorship ended only with this death in the 70s
Jonathan Murphy
Cool maybe when you're out of your teens and get over the edgy antiauthoritarian libertarian phase, you'll learn how states inevitably form and function
Benjamin Fisher
Fascists are only the Italians, ignorant. Those were falangists. There was also falangism in Poland and some parts of Hispanoamerica.
Carson Adams
That's all true, but in the anglosphere Italian fascism, Spanish falangism, and German national socialism are all referred to as forms of "fascism" since they share a lot of the same characteristics
Dominic Wright
Franco was a conservative.
Adrian Myers
Franco will always be proof Fascism works. Ruled peacefully for years with no real notable "human rights abuses" or anything like that.
Lucas Rivera
Franco was not a falangist.
Jack Ross
He created a state incapable of growth or authentic governance
It was a cult of personality, nothing more. Without him, his people went straight back to the same old liberal bullshit. Catholic Traditionalists were cucks holding back any radical reformation of the state's function
Jonathan Myers
"Human rights" is a dogwhistle for gentiles to kill each other for jewish values.
Franco was a stooge for international finance.
Zachary Young
Trying to ban catalan was stupid. Coopting>banning. Even the japanese empire ended up granting koreans their language isntead of trying to japonize by force.
Sebastian Parker
He should have joined the war like the Fallangists wanted
Kevin Campbell
>church emulates the dominant power >Franco puts faith/power in the church >allies win ww2 >Spain gradually emulates the allied ideology and the structure collapses At least Germany and Italy went down with a fight.
Samuel Rivera
Franco did not ban Catalan more than the French
The Catalan bourgeoisie was francoist indeed
Oliver Flores
that was at least more insightful than what you originally said. I thought you were saying he actively cucked into liberal democracy during his lifetime. I'll agree but it eventually had to happen. The only remaining dictatorships in Europe are shit-tier Balkan or former Soviet states. Still doesn't detract from the fact that he saved Spain from commie scum and was a total Chad
Yeah, and FDR should have smoked every kike in America. We have the cards we're dealt.
Henry Morales
The only thing stopping him from joing the war was internal detractiom from Catholics who would rather bend knee to Masonic international finance than any true traditional order.
The man was based, but he courted fools and his people suffered as a result
Oliver Gray
'Went down with a fight' as if they didn't start the brothers' war of aggression first. They could have remained in power indefinitely if they didn't chimp out, try to form Italic and German empires and ruin right-wing nationalism in Europe forever. Franco didn't chimp out and ruled until his death but made the mistake of not ensuring the dictatorship would remain in place
Brody Cox
His crusade was commendable and he teaches us many lessons in pragmatism. Very few men have faced the full force of Marxism and liberal democracy and won. The Spanish Civil War should be mandatory study for all of Jow Forums
Nathaniel Gomez
>adopted strong corporatist-syndicalist policies
He created a state-controlled labour union and nothing more, he was not a fascist, a corporatist or a national syndicalist but a classical catholic traditionalist.
Aiden Hughes
>The Spanish Civil War should be mandatory study for all of Jow Forums The unbiased facts though. It's mandatory in History class here, but it's just the "good guys" (Republicans) against "bad guys" (Francoist) rhetoric pushed by constant left leaning governments since the transition to democrazy.
Jose Gonzalez
>didn't engage in dumbass brothers' war to try and re-establish some LARPY "muh empire" That empire was the last hope for the Nordic race. Now we have this fucking "white" nationalism where every mutt nigger from southern europe is considered the same race as nordics.
Aiden Wright
Fair enough Although any to accepts the basic talking points of Jow Forums will quickly recognize just how zogged the "republican" forces were. It could serve as a lesson to deconstruct the "official" narrative
Nathan Hughes
>begins a crusade of invading other white countries in 1939 when non-white immigration is virtually zero and the population density of Scandinavia is extraordinarily low like it is today >"that empire was the last hope for da Nordic race"
I don't even know where to begin. So much for master race high IQ nords. Imagine being on this level of mental retardation and high testosterone
He was one of the best but he fucked up at the end
Mason Torres
>Coporatist The US economy is corporatist too, look at how gay it is.
Aaron Phillips
maybe because he doomed us and gave every young retard an excuse to hate everything related to our country? Every lefty thing its OK now because thats a thing Franco would hate.
Ban what? Catalan and Basque was not normalized languages in 1939. You pretend that Franco normalized those languages after a civil war, with people dying of hungry and illness haha.
Noah King
A fun fact: University admittance exams here give you a choice between Philosophy and History as some of the subjects you're tested on, andf you pick History it's like a 50% chance something about the Civil war will come up. I've heard from multiple sources that high school teachers advise to pick Philosophy to avoid writing essays about the Civil war, due to how controversial it is to this day to deviate from the accepted norm. If you even question their narrative your grades will suffer severely.
Jeremiah Garcia
Because he wasn’t fascist. He was just authoritarian and Catholic. He managed Spain like a boot camp.
Falange was Fascist, but that was just a political branch in Franco’s regime.
You can't seriously be this retarded Hitler's entire struggle was to stop liberal democracy's racial destruction and you're blaming him for consequences of a future he was trying to stop.
You've completely absolved the Anglo warmongerer who alllied with communists to punish a Germanic Folkish state
Give me a break
Kevin Baker
Not true! Don't worry, generation Z spaniards are fanatic Franco lovers and patriots because they want to be contrarian against their parents and annoying older millenial siblings. There's hope for the future amigo.
No it wasn't dipshit. Hitler invaded Poland and the Soviet Union specifically for exterminating the ethnic Slavs and creating Lebensraum for German peoples.
As if he was looking 80 years into the future and seeing the modern consequences of neoliberalism and open borders, give me a fucking break. As if he wasn't just an extreme ethnic nationalist that thought Slavs were inferior and wanting to create a dynastic empire for pure Germans based on some pseudoscientific esoteric Aryan crap. Find me one quote that links Adolf Hitler and liberal democratic racial destruction.
