Why can't you have a communist democracy?
Why can't you have a communist democracy?
Ryder Sanders
Caleb Roberts
Because the CIA will overthrow you like they did to Allende
Gavin Bell
The US is a democratic communist entity it has all the pillars of communism one being a central bank and it has ruined the US
Dylan James
WE DID IT WE WON THE COLD WAR
Logan Gomez
Because it leads to the oligarchy.
Owen Ross
1. People contribute input (most likely through voting) towards governance in a democracy
2. People are most likely to vote in their self-interest
3. Communism puts the interest of the whole at great cost to the individual
4. In order to fight individualism, indoctrination is required
5. When indoctrination fails, the right to participation is taken away
6. It only falls apart from there
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The Marxist vision of communism results in an endpoint where governance is not required, therefore democracy (or people's rule) cannot exist because nobody rules at all.
Eli Myers
Allende never had a majority of the Chilean vote. He was appointed by a coalition with the centrist party, then later betrayed the centrist party and imported Cuban and Soviet mercenaries to be his state police.
Easton Bailey
because its such a fragile and shitty, retarded system that any opposing ideas even existing will completely destroy the government.
Adam Cook
Because it means state ownership of the means of production. All the power is centralized and the civilians can't do shit. That kind of environment also is great for people who want to be dictators.
Also communism requires the use of force to estabilish its goals. It has to take people's freedom, private property, etc. In a democracy people are not going to voluntarily give away their own stuff to the state. That's why dictatorship is the norm.
Ian Roberts
>The Marxist vision of communism results in an endpoint where governance is not required, therefore democracy
Wrong. It doesn't matter what he said. What he proposed will always end in to totalitarianism.
Aaron Nelson
Communism/marxism sucks so bad. every time its ben put intro practice a leader must modify it his way to work. Hence Marxist leninism, stalinism, troyskyism etc. Marxism is just a template
Josiah Hughes
>source:
>me
Elijah Edwards
Conscript reporting
Brandon Rivera
Because people are selfish cunts.
"Why can't we just be nice to another and stop killing and rip each other off?"
Matthew Foster
>In addition to support for political parties, the CIA mounted a massive anti-communist propaganda campaign. Extensive use was made of the press, radio, films, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, direct mailings, paper streamers, and wall painting. It was a "scare campaign", which relied heavily on images of Soviet tanks and Cuban firing squads and was directed especially to women. Hundreds of thousands of copies of the anti-communist pastoral letter of Pope Pius XI were distributed by Christian Democratic organizations. They carried the designation, "printed privately by citizens without political affiliation, in order more broadly to disseminate its con207 tent." "Disinformation" and "black propaganda"—material which purported to originate from another source, such as the Chilean Communist Party—were used as well.6
>The propaganda campaign was enormous. During the first week of intensive propaganda activity (the third week of June 1964), a CIA-funded propaganda group produced twenty radio spots per day in Santiago and on 44 provincial stations; twelve-minute news broadcasts five times daily on three Santiago stations and 24 provincial outlets; thousands of cartoons, and much paid press advertising. By the end of June, the group produced 24 daily newscasts in Santiago and the provinces, 26 weekly "commentary" programs, and distributed 3,000 posters daily. 8
>In addition to buying propaganda piecemeal, the [CIA] Station often purchased it wholesale by subsidizing Chilean media organizations friendly to the United States. Doing so was propaganda writ large. Instead of placing individual items, the CIA supported—or even founded—friendly media outletswhich might nothave existed in the absence of Agencysupport. From 1953 through 1970 in Chile, the Station subsidized wire services, magazines written for intellectual circles, and a right-wing weekly newspaper.12
I can't believe he didn't get majority of the vote! You dishonest pile of shit
David Rodriguez
because for communism to work you'd need a strong central government to forcibly redistribute wealth, property, food etc.
without said authoritarian government, people wouldn't comply.
Isaac Morris
Nigger, he was head of the Popular Unity party, a coalition of all relevant left wing groups in chile at that time. Those would never have won separately against the independent of even conservative party. Source: basic fucking knowledge of history and one google search
Evan Carter
Why. Why. Why. Why. Why. Why. Why. Why.
Camden Lopez
Jews won the cold war
Adrian Russell
Because democrisy requires educated and inteligent people dum dum.
Jose Ross
>people will willingly choose collectivism in a process that encourages individual choice
Good joke.
Dominic Thomas
Non meme answer:
By communism, I assume you mean the IRL communist dictatorships and not Karl Marx's fanfic about how we'll all hold hands and sing Kumbaya once that pesky state is removed.
See, state managed economy absolutely requires an extremely powerful centralized state, one that can overwrite the personal rights and liberties of the individual in the name of the "collective good". A communist democracy would turn into an ordinary free market democracy after the first few votes (assuming the voting process was actually democratic and not rigged to hell and back as it was in IRL communist states) because voters will always vote to protect their own interests and it is not in the interest of any single voter to allow the state to arbitrarily expropriate his/her property based on the esoteric needs of the undefined "society/collective/common good".
So even if you built an actual communist democracy, the first vote would be "Should we abandon communism?" and it's a vote that would pass.
Elijah Diaz
Communism is inherently democratic, as for the socialist states that have/are existed/existing they are democratic as well. A 'single party' is a Marxist idea that there needs to be a strong centralized push to establish a socialist state and it's reasoning is to protect and expand the revolution. It is still democratic however as there are internal factions and sub-parties within it in some systems. Just because there aren't multiple differently named parties doesn't mean there isnt democracy, as having a disunified political life for a nation can present issues of lack of loyalty and commitment. Democracy /=/ bourgeois democracy
Gavin Gray
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CommieLARPs btfo
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Only benefits those in military positions
youtu.be
Hypocritically imperialistic despite propaganda aimed at the US
en.m.wikipedia.org
Thanks and have a subversive day.
Owen Peterson
a combination fascist republic and white ethno-monarchy would be superior
Jason Murphy
You posted two videos from a CIA shill and one of a really awesome song.
Mason Torres
Have a jumbo shrimp.
Gabriel Ramirez
Socialist states that have existed in reality are undemocratic due to the rampant repression, censorship, tyranny, barriers on the freedom of movement, expression and speech.
Also, giving the voter a choice of:
>The (insert nation name) Communist Party
or
>nothing
isn't very democratic at all, factions or no factions.
Wyatt Kelly
The CIA are all far-left commies now. It's not the 1960s anymore.
Colton Long
Propaganda short circuit... your mind is fighting it, keep at it and the brainwashing can be overcome. Come to the American side...
Carson Brown
>inverted pentagon
Westwood put a lot of interesting things in their storylines, if you watch the cinematics for the Tiberium timeline Command and Conquer there are direct energy weapons and false flag attacks. Also Kane even calls himself the messiah and quotes Shakespeare's "The Merchant of Venice." Goyim Defense Initiative when?
Evan Ross
Luis Stewart
He was probably a Trotskyite.
Aiden Hill
>"Democracy, will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes, and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure and every one of these will soon mold itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues, and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit, and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few." - John Adams
>"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide. - John Adams
>"It is one of the evils of democratical governments, that the people, not always seeing and frequently misled, must often feel before they can act right; but then evil of this nature seldom fail to work their own cure." - George Washington
>"Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."
>"Where a majority are united by a common sentiment, and have an opportunity, the rights of the minor party become insecure." - Madison
Jackson Taylor
because we are legit going to kill all you fuckng commies starting in seattle
Anthony Powell
It doesn’t fucking matter what Marx wrote or envisioned, because this means that either Marxists are so fucking retarded that they can’t follow some written instructions without crashing everything or their meme ideology doesn’t work in the first place or a combination of both.
Marx may have wanted a stateless nation, but instead he got the opposite every single time, and it never transitioned to communism no matter what way it was done, no matter how strong or populous or large the nation was, it failed every time, but for some reason we still get Marxist retards to this day.
Nicholas Gutierrez
lolno, he was a hardcore supporter of the CPUSA so it's safe to assume a lot of CIA glownigs are Marxist–Leninists. The Trotskyite commies like the Kristols rebranded as "neoconservatives" and went to the GOP.
Grayson Collins
What's going on there, Alex?
Benjamin Wood
The CPUSA stopped being Marxist-Leninist in the 50's I believe. They broke relations with the soviet union after Khruschev's de-stalinization.
Bentley Gray
You can, it's called left-communist and it's Never Been Tried.
Daniel Lopez
All states are 'undemocratic' by those metrics. Germany monitors Die Linke and other groups as theyre deemed threats to the constitution, America still asks whether people coming into the country have been/are members of Communist parties, British police will put you in jail the moment you comment about immigration, etc.
There is censorship, tyranny, barriers on the freedom of movement, expression and speech in EVERY society. Why? Because the purpose of the state is to protect itself and it's interests. America keeps a blockade of Cuba simply because having an expansive socialist state nearby is a national security threat, America burned south america because of it's corporate interests (those who control america, unelected faceless CEOs) and because of the political movements there. Every country and state has enforced rules and regulations to protect itself. That's not unique to any system.
And it isn't very democratic, by contrast to vote:
>Corporate party A
Or
>Corporate party B
Ethan Barnes
Probably the worst variation of commie, it’s like they are motivated by nothing more than destroying Europeans or whites in general out of some inconceivable maliciousness or they are just a bunch kikes, and useful idiots which would explain their behaviour.
Carson Smith
I've heard several excuses for why communist ideology always failed to produce a stateless society, from the ubiquitous "not REAL communism" of the average drooling retard to the "stateless society surrounded by states would get engulfed instantly, so world revolution is needed before true communism can be implemented" which almost sounds like it makes sense but then you realize that the argument, taken to it's logical conclusion, means that the only way to implement a real communist stateless society is by engaging in a world war of unprecedented proportions, dwarfing both WW1 and WW2 combined.
Carson Harris
.t never read Marx
Tyler Sanchez
A lot of neocons are former Trotskyites.
A lot of neoliberals flirted with "Marxism-Leninism" at one point or another
At a certain point you just have to stop and wonder maybe there is something wrong about my ideology that it keeps attracting so many authoritarian ghouls
Chase Jackson
we must destroy american capitalism first, you kill the mothership and is easier to turn the rest of countries into socialist states
Xavier Jenkins
thats like saying you want a Flying Submarine
Isaac Morris
Thanks for the compelling rebuttal LARPnigger. Fear mongering songs are cool to people like this.
Colton Mitchell
Apparently neither have any commies, if they did they would have achieved world communism or at the very least still have some relevance in the modern world, but instead all their nations collapsed into capitalist ones or isolated totalitarian nightmare states, but I guess it wasn’t real communism, because they just didn’t follow the instructions properly.
Jayden Baker
Because no one gets a vote in communism you dumb cunt.
Connor Martin
amerimutts thinks they have democracy...
Aiden Sanders
we need to dictatorship of the proletariat to completely liquidate capitalism, then the communist society can start to form when society is classless, moneyless and the state becomes unnecessary
Ayden Reed
>Germany monitors Die Linke and other groups as theyre deemed threats to the constitution
Historical context is needed - they protect their democratic system more aggressively because they already have some experience with anti-system parties taking power (1933-1945)
>America still asks whether people coming into the country have been/are members of Communist parties
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I'm near certain that the SJW crowd in America would throw a shitfit if this was true. Maybe once upon a time, but again - historical context - they were engaged in a cold war and their main rival/enemy was a Communist state with a record of sending infiltrators to topple governments.
>British police will put you in jail the moment you comment about immigration
That's a failure of democracy, not a feature.
>There is censorship, tyranny, barriers on the freedom of movement, expression and speech in EVERY society.
Censorship
>implying banning CP and terrorist manuals = sending people to a gulag for saying 'fuck the dear leader'
Tyranny
>unironically implying that western democracies are tyrannical
If anything, they're far too cucked and lenient as is.
Barriers on the freedom of movement
>implying national borders that you can cross legally with easily obtainable paperwork = never being allowed to leave the country ever because your masters know you won't come back to their decrepit failed state
Barriers on the freedom of expression and speech
>implying that "EVERY society" with said barriers doesn't have said barriers due to the political activism of the left
The purpose of the state is not to protect itself, the purpose of the state is to serve as the legitimate self expression of the political will of the nation and the nations right to self determination.
Levi Wilson
Jason Williams
I think they want to take control via subversion now, a world war would be pretty much apocalyptic if it were to happen today, and your average commie has degraded into a group of disgusting, bottom feeding freaks, they would never be able to take control via force anymore, because most working class people have already seen communism in action from history, and don’t want to get used again, thus the Marxists are forced to flood their lands with millions of low IQ subhumans who can be used as cannon fodder, and useful idiots.
Alexander Price
the communist society is a true democracy, society produces everything they need in a democratic planned economy
Isaac James
How can you have a Democracy without a state
Ryder Bennett
Dylan Brown
What an original idea, I’m sure it will work this time.
Samuel Torres
How come that never happened and governments lead by communist parties took autonomy away from the workers?
Elijah Moore
r u sure about that?
Asher Perez
Far as I know, the only socialist state to actually experiment with giving WORKERS the means of production rather than the STATE was Yugoslavia and the workers' self management system.
Protip: it only worked because of NATO/Warsaw Pact gibs. Once the gibs dried up in the late 80s, the Yugo economy crashed with no survivors.
Colton Cruz
Because communism is just a carrot on a stick, it was never meant to be achieved, it is just there to keep the workers in check, and stop them from revolting, because they think a utopia will be achieved someday. The truth is the totalitarian society socialism always becomes is the end.
Daniel Lopez
The neomarxism is close to Proudhon and misery school than Karl Marx ideas, but they took the name of Marx instead Proudhon because he wasn't popular in the last century, that don't change they used Marx just in name.
Jason Miller
Same shit, different packaging.
Alexander Gutierrez
Pretty easy to achieve trust when your nation is an authoritarian one that literally brainwashes, kids in school, censors any counter opinions, while throwing any rebellious individuals in prison.
Anthony Hughes
Considering Proudhon and Marx were against each other, just for /pul/tards is the same.
Matthew Jackson
>endgame is totalitarian society ruled by an unelected small cadre of revolutionaries who are totally unaccountable to anyone and can do whatever they like
vs
>endgame is totalitarian society ruled by an unelected small cadre of revolutionaries who are totally unaccountable to anyone and can do whatever they like
The methodology is different, the conclusion is identical.
Gabriel Stewart
>educated populace + freedom of information = distrust in authoritarian/hierarchical institutions
oh boy who could've seen THAT coming?
Remember: USA trust in government is low after REVELATIONS about the shit the USA government ACTUALLY DID
James Price
Because democracy and communism are polar opposites. Democracy puts the power in the peoples hands, supposedly, while the people counting the votes always have the last word. Communism puts 100% of the power into the government's hands, removing all power from the citizens.
OP is a faggot, asking an oxymoron.
Sage in all fields.
Matthew Rogers
Hahahahaha considering capitalist is ruled by a unelected small cadre of richs, yes your logic is just perfect.
Joseph Lewis
cope harder, faggot.
Aaron Wilson
Uh we're pretty much as communist capitalist rn than ever possible. To be more communist would enforce military laws teaching people honor and integrity unto oneself and others instead of now, you're special who you are and being different is looked up to.
Nathan Gonzalez
Which in turn leads us to the one topic the communist absolutely cannot digest - a certain Middle Eastern tribe originating from the area the Romans used to call Syria Palaestina, who just can't seem to stop finding themselves in positions of influence and power in the vogue new world Empire that happens to be around at that time.
I'm sure you know (((who))) I'm talking about, comrade...
Thomas Richardson
why cant you eat dogshit with razor blades in it?
Lincoln Cruz
Wouldnt perfect communism be a form of democracy? The state, not controlled by a ruler or government, but instead directly by the people.
Austin Ross
No because just statelessness isn't communism.
A stateless society is the AnCap dream.
A stateless society, which also somehow centrally manages all resources and economic activity, which has no power except when it has absolute power, is the Communist dream.
Andrew Edwards
>state, not controlled by ... government
Daniel Young
They refuse to talk about them, because their entire ideology was founded, popularised, and often lead by the tribe, and they hate admitting that’s it’s merely a kike spin on feudalism.
Benjamin Wood
>anarcho capitalism
literally an oxymoron
Isaac Collins
Yes and, the same was true in every communist state ever so, whats your point?
Easton Jones
>BECAUSE RUBBER SHOES ALWAYS INK MOTION FOR HYPERKAPITALISM KOMRAD
Aiden Brown
>capitalist
>communist
Choose one faggot, even if that is true, that is not communism, orwellfag
Josiah Morgan
>even if that is true, that is not communism
funny how that always works out
Jaxon Gutierrez
>Why can't you have a communist democracy?
Because Communism doesn't work.
Isaiah Rogers
>Choose one faggot, even if that is true, that is not communism, orwellfag
Communism is unnatural.
Communism denies human nature, which is why Communism must be oppressive and tyrannical in an attempt to suppress human nature. Eventually that oppression and tyranny causes Communism to collapse.
Brayden Nelson
Andrew Collins
And what is that supposed to mean, yid?
Carson Lee
yes, direct democracy
Ayden Wood
>hell march 2 best hell march
Nolan Garcia
My point is that there will always be a person on top writing all of the rules. If it's an authoritarian, like Stalin, people end up getting rounded up as dissidents sooner or later.
I as again, WTF is any different in one style of government over the other, in relation to leadership?
I'd say its earned vs taken but. I'm asking you.
Ian Morgan
>yes, direct democracy
While turning everyone into soulless, worker automatons.
Bentley King
that you fuckers only have 3 arguments
Dylan Edwards
>the people's only value is their labor.
lol
Caleb Barnes
Thats capitalism bro
Lucas Jenkins
>that you fuckers only have 3 arguments
Who cares? The arguments are truthful.
Communism doesn't work.
Communism is unnatural.
Communism doesn't belong in western civilization because it's not part of western civilization.
Sebastian Nguyen
>Why can't you have a communist democracy?
Because democracy is unattainable so far.
Liberal republic, which styles itself as a democracy is a Capitalist Oligarchy in reality. A Communist state, at least, doesn't brainwash and misdirect its subject on it.
The basis of Communism is self-interest.
"Cuck for your Megacorp, give it 80% of your labor, be a good and obedient wageslave"
Brandon Diaz
Exactly, the jews were commies
Jacob Cruz
>Thats capitalism bro
Under Capitalism, the people and the state exist to serve the economy.
Under Communism, the people and the economy exist to serve the State.
>inb4 "BUT THERE'S NO STATE IN COMMUNISM"
Communism always fails before it reached the "true Communism" stage, so there's always a State.