People who want to ban porn are morons who want censorship of their freedom of speech and expression...

>porn
>speech
No, it's obscenity.

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there is no freedom in the current year

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Freedom is only owned to those who deserve it. We deserved it at one point in time, however, we have lost the will to uphold the values of citizenship, morality, respect, and sovereignty. When the will to uphold these values vanishes, freedom of the polity only serves to degenerate society into socialistic free for all.
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Taking advantage of hormonal teenagers' and desperate, lonely, sexually frustrated men's desires is on the same level.
Just like drugs or gambling, it's a way to abuse someone's weakness. There's a reason why most vices are forbidden for children.
The only difference, when you reach adulthood, is that nobody cares about you anymore.
>you don't get to label something degenerate with any more authority than the media can tell me who to vote for
Anyone knows it's degenerate, you can lie to me but you can't really lie to yourself.

porn is a psyop.
porn is free
porn is made and owned by the jews.
when do the jews ever do anything for free thats good for a society?
any charity by the jews is done with the intention of undermining or subverting a nation.

in that case, why don't we just cut everyone's dick off

but who is physically forcing you to look at it or to visit the sites?
who is holding a pistol to your head and forces you to type in any of these pornsites into the URL bar?

not with that attitude

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dont ban porn, just execute pornographers

HERE YOU GO, GOVERNMENT. PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FREEDOM.

WHAT'S THAT YOU SAY? THE INTERNET HAS PORN AND THEREFORE NEEDS TO BE BANNED? FINE WITH ME. BAN EVERYTHING.

WOULDN'T WANT TO BE CALLED A COOMER.
THANK YOU, GOVERNMENT!

BASED
I don't know, maybe this guy knows something about wanting porn uncensored.

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Free Speech is meant to protect political expression not the display of obscene images. Society gains nothing from the proliferation of this Jewish poison. If porn was healthy why does Israel broadcast it to their enemies?

And you sound like a boomer faggot. You probably also say "what happens privately between two consenting adults" garbage as well even though its clearly now working.

>dude, didn't you know the liberals are the REAL fascists? you're acting just like them
fuck out of here with your boomer fence cuckservative sitting.
Nobody's forcing you to use heroin, but it's still illegal. Porn is harmful and reduces people's ability to form committed relationships.

why dont you learn some self control instead? how about that? why dont slutty runaways learn some self control? how about they learn to be good wives and mothers and grandmothers instead of being sterile "sex workers" into their 80s

why are you using the internet if you're so worried about being infected with degeneracy? why are on this site? don't you know who funds the site and where the ad revenue (from porn ads) goes to? why are you here supporting it?

you know whats worse than "impotent Rage"?

impotent procrastination

>Porn is harmful and reduces people's ability to form committed relationships.
it's not illegal to not be in a committed relationship or to live an unhealthy lifestyle. if it were, you'd be in jail for using this site. think harder. everyone itt against ANY form of censorship is so fucking stupid it's hard to grasp.

or maybe the retards with those weaknesses can grow some balls.
much better solution.

cool arguments fren

>If porn was healthy why does Israel broadcast it to their enemies?
same reason why South Korea was blasting Kpop across the border, to annoy the Norks because they are spastics that are easy to trigger.
Muslims are also spastics and easy to trigger with porn.

because it's not fucking illegal to have no self control. that's what a free society is, or do you want people who do things that the government considers to 'out of control' just thrown in an asylum like it's the 1920s

good questions actually.
shame the retard won't answer them.

>or do you want people who do things that the government considers to 'out of control' just thrown in an asylum

you already ARE in an asylum, Neo. An asylum for your MIND.

>227332859
Eat shit, it is bad as murder

its hard to argue this train of logic.

i just found out jews sell water.

stop drinking water, bros!

>it's not illegal to be a worthless piece of shit
It's not illegal to ostracize you for it either.

>porn is a psyop.
Its not, porn always existed in some form.
>porn is free
Its actually not free
>porn is made and owned by the jews.
not all porn is made and owned by jews, plenty of porn is made without any jewish involvement.

It's obvious you are addicted to pornography, I do find it hilarious when you talk about self control. Why do you care so much about the availability of pornography?

that's fine, but i don't want to ban you from being able to call me horrible things. you must be able to see the freedom to express yourself is a real freedom, even if people make porn. because what one person considers porn is nothing to another. but if you start censoring speech and expression at all, then you give your freedom away to be re-labelled by someone who then starts saying the entire internet has to be shut down because it has too much porn on it.

>Why do you care so much about the availability of pornography?
because I'm against any form of censorship.

porn is also a really really broad term, anything could be labelled porn and banned.
where would they draw the line?

>porn always existed in some form.
it has never in history been FREE and so widely available as since about 20 years ago.

>been FREE
its not free now.

>oh nooo, something i consider bad is widely available! call the police. mommy!
when did you become a liberal snowflake? do you still have yourself convinced you're the opposite?

why are you idiots trying to put yourself back in cage. porn is out there now. just like alcohol. prohibition doesn't work. get a grip and have some backbone about freedom and LIBERTY. do you even know what the word means???

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LIBERTY is I can do whatever the fuck I want on my property, in my house, on my computer as long as I don't break the law. I can express myself however I want. I can say whatever I want. This new school of sucked-conservatives against porn are a bizarre breed of censorship shills who are playing you on morality. That's not how it's supposed to be, that's not what freedom and liberty are about; we are meant to do whatever we want. Would you want the government coming into your bedroom telling you the exact limits of how you're allowed to fuck your wife? What is this shit, Nineteen Eighty-Four? Don't get played by these fake conservator asshats. They are selling you dirty water that they themselves would never drink.

>porn
>freedom of speech
Literally an idea invented by jews in the mid 20th century.

Free speech is an American ideal and it was only ever about political dissidence. Vile, obscene, garbage is not, nor should it be under free expression.

We're talking about freedom of speech here. A movie with you getting fucked in the ass isn't expressing an opinion. At this point I might argue that I should have the freedom to take away your freedom.
In fact, I believe your freedom of speech should be taken away from you if all you do is make noise, waste others' time as they are forced to listen to you.
When your "speech" brings nothing to the table, it shouls be disregarded. Porn is such a thing, a distraction, specifically made in such a way to tempt people.

If you have ever paid for porn after the advent of the internet then you are beyond redemption.
porn costs money just like winrar.

there is plenty of computer illterate people who dont know how to pirate and they pay for it one way or another.

you don't get to decide what is or isn't 'bringing something to the table' or what is or isn't 'expressing an opinion' and you most certainly cannot take away my freedom, not without a fight. you're coming from a place of pure tyrannical fascism and you're so utterly stone-dead stupid you probably can't even realize this

there are plenty of people who don't have their own winery who pay for wine. your point is irrelevant. money has zero to do with anything concerning freedom. if someone is willing to pay for something, it can be sold. within the bounds of the law. if i want to sell my wife's panties for 500x what they're worth, i can do that. this is freedom. freedom doesn't say that the government steps in and says 'who buddy, you're paying too much for that'

>freedom
There is no "freedom" in being a slave to your biological instinct to reproduce
If you're single, try this nofap shit out, you have nothing to lose
The fact that the enemy is so alarmed by young males turning away from porn should be a huge wake up call.

Fuck with my porn and you start a war. Take your cucked, porn-banning ass over to some totalitarian shithole.

>der coomer is willing to go to war for pornography

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freedom to make/watch porn has worked out great for western society so far.

>but what about freedom?
What about the freedom to raise a child in a society where, even if you install ad blockers, someone in their circle of friends will have instant access to the most depraved shit literally any man of that boys bloodline will have ever witnessed.
What about the freedom to go around in public with your child and not have to dodge sick faggots in dog leather costumes
In your very own country you aren't even free to home school your own kids, they will be taken to the local mosque by the primary school teacher whether you approve or not. They will be taught fag shit whether you approve or not. Some freedom....

(((They))) have perverted the meaning of free speech to mean you have the "freedom" to access the most disgusting images imaginable in seconds, yet if you state the basic facts of politics, the social realm, biology, etc then that's "hate speech"

>There is no "freedom" in being a slave to your biological instinct to reproduce
yes, there is: you just defined freedom. i am so free i can be a slave. freedom defined. thank you for being such an absolute cuck moron that you proved the point for yourself. we are free to do what we like, including whatever your dumb faggot ass considers to be harmful. the only enemy is yourself. that's what real freedom is. nobody is in the way of me and my harmony with nature and the people in my life. no government controls my every move. but you backward censorship faggots are trying to invite them in.
>c'mon into my house, take away whatever you consider to be porn. thanks, government. now i can sleep better knowing young males are healthier
haha FUCK THAT SHIT. you can all overdose and die for all i care. it's none of my business. you live your life, i live mine. don't fuck with my freedom

>you can't decide this, can't decide that
Then who does?
By your "logic" anyone can say anything but nothing anyone says matters.
As long as I am knowledgeable of the matter at hand I can tell if you spill garbage or not.
Also, freedom to take away freedom was an examlple of your flawed logic.
You are so obsessed with this "freedom" you keep talking about that you lost grasp of what it actually means.

porn shouldn't be banned, that'd just make it cool. it should be legal but ridiculed and frowned upon.

hey grandpa, nobody cares about your bullshit morality sermon. there is no such thing as right and wrong other than the bounds of LAW. that is the way that true democracy works. you are anti-constitution and totally church-cucked into insanity. what the FUCK are you doing on this site if you really believe the horseshit you're spewing?

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The ideal situation is when everyone understands why it's bad and they stay away from it.
But just like kids don't understand what's bad for them, neither do addicts and many adults.
Do we just let them perish in their ignorance?

The government should be executing pornographers

freedom is whatever is in the bounds of the law, the constitution. it's not flawed logic, it's written law that can be obeyed very easily and yet still allows people more freedom than any other system. it means i just have to obey the law and the government can't tell me how to live my life. there's no silly morality, no religious doctrine i must abide by, no being scolded by anyone. as long as it's legal, i am free to live however i want.

dude, i don't care. i can shoot my own porn and watch that and never have to look on those sites. you're not making any argument with dumb shit like that

you're not really free if someone else gets to dictate for you what they consider to be bad, and then not let you have it. yes, have the freedom to be dumb and die from our habits. that's what real freedom is. hard to believe people on this board are so dense they don't understand the constitution, and why we had a revolution

that guy claimed that porn is "free" and used this argument why it shouldnt be legal, but it really isn't free.
the porn tube sites are making money the same way youtube is, though ad revenue, subscription service and probably though selling user data to 3rd parties. but none of that monetization is against the law.
What they give away for "free" is preview videos in low quality.

tl;dr they dont only want your freedom they also want to decide what types of monetization you are allowed to use.

You literally can't make a law without taking away some sort of freedom.
> i
>it means i just have to obey the law and the government can't tell me how to live my life
So if porn becomes illegal there's no problem right?

people can buy DVD or BluRay porn, or download from the sites in which case they own the material and the ads stop. music streaming has ads, too. so does this SITE. this site has porn ads on it. that's just internet business. don't like it, don't use the internet. it's a way people take advantage of laws to make money. it doesn't mean you have to click the site or the ad

you're actually too dumb to even bother arguing with, because you are arguing against your own points and can't see it

Or, we want to ban obviously useless, society destroying crap.

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What if your freedom to look at porn began to harm society more than it had in previous generations with magazines and film?
Accessibility combined with the more-hardcore nature of it today is the issue. Kids will know when they have been censored by their parents which leads to curiosity- and then downward spirals of secrecy and addiction.

>dude
You're a slave to your primal urges. You know nothing about the esoteric bodies of knowledge sourced from antiquity. You don't understand your biology, nor do you understand your hormones and neruo-checmical processes and their effect on your psyche.

There's a reason why monks and nuns are voluntarily celibate.
There's a reason why athletes, and old school musicians like Miles Davis, would choose to not have sex during the days leading up to a sporting event or music performance.
There's a reason why some of the greatest minds in history, like Nikola Tesla and Isaac Newton, practiced voluntary celibacy.

Semen retention/transmutation of the sacred fluid is what empowers a man.
sexual energy = creative energy, this directly affects the quality of what you create/manifest.

>pic related is the caduceus, one of the most ancient symbols that is representative of human health, it's also known as the Staff of Hermes (from which we derive the word Hermaphrodite)

>Caduceus explained:
The staff/rod represents the cerbro-spinal system of a human. The two wings represent the left and right brain hemispheres. The two snakes coiling up the staff/rod represent masculine and feminine energy being transmuted within the individual from the root chakra up towards the crown chakra.

If you weren't a cum brain you might have already been blessed with the opportunity to experience a crown chakra "orgasm". What begins as a sexual experience in a male becomes a divine experience when the male transmutes an incoming orgasm right before climax, and channels that energy towards the mind, resulting in a crown chakra "orgasm". This is achieved through semen retention. Look into the tantric practices you retarded little fuck.

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Fucking in front of a camera is not speech or expression you worthless yid.

you also believe in tarot cards?
lmao

So you also advocate for child porn then?

>Or, we want to ban obviously useless, society destroying crap.
who made you the judge of what is useless? sounds like a dictatorship.
>harm society
the same can be said about alcohol. it's more available, there's more bars and stores than ever before. and driving while intoxicated causes thousands of deaths per year. but we don't ban cars or alcohol because of what they do that is harmful. we allow citizens to choose, and some people are responsible. some are not, and they drink and kill an innocent person on the road. that does harm to society. what you're talking about is impossible, we can never fully protect people. if you ban porn, then eventually you'll have to ban cameras. we don't do that currently because it's fascism

No, actually. That's a retarded assumption. Well done on refuting any point that I made.

>esoteric:
- intended for, or likely to be understood, by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest.

It doesn't surprise me that a NEET on Jow Forums would be so disconnected from nature that they fail to comprehend their own energy centers/anatomical systems. I shared the wisdom. It's your choice to reject it.

actually that is exactly what it is

pornography is clearly defined... fuck off shill

freedom of speech doesn't include obscenity, it never has.

most western countries have had decency laws longer than they (((have not))).

>People who want to ban porn are morons who want censorship of their freedom of speech and expression.
I wouldn't actually be limited by that particular ban.

of course not, that would be against the law. the point of the argument was censorship of the freedoms we already have

Coercing women with money isn't right. It's just prostitution with extra steps. It we can ban that we can ban porn. If they want to make art for free no money should be exchanged. Fair?

>t. shadman
OUT OUT OUT

Porn is not speech. There's no idea in it, just vicarious sex. Porn has an explicit definition. Unlike "hate speech" or "antisemitism", it doesn't have a sliding and ever expansive political definition. It exists to subvert your will and make you a slave to your passions, to turn inward and masturbate, to promote the gay lifestyle. There's a reason Israel broadcast it to the Palestinians during the occupation in 2002.

ok, mohammed. this thread is shit. bye

Broadcasting/publishing images of sex is not speech, rabbi. No matter what satanic laws you forced upon us in the 60s say.

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>If you call something porn
It's actually easy to define pornography. It's an unsimulated portrayal of a sex act in film or photograph.

not true, it can include writing or anything at all that is "intended for sexual arousal" so let's say some retard tomorrow decides that any thread that has a woman's picture is a porn thread means you can no longer ever post pictures of women on the site...

see what i mean?

anyway, fuck this thread. i've given up arguing. you are all fucking brainwashed by muslims.

Do you want me to post Bibi sitting in front of Congress in 2002 explicitly explaining using porn and degenerate TV broadcasts as a weapon against Iran?
upi.com/Archives/2002/09/12/Netanyahu-US-should-attack-Iran-with-TV/1971031803200/

You have a very all or nothing way of thinking.

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>Coercing women with money isn't right.
why? your money your choice, you can spend it how you want. If you want to give it to some whore then so be it.
>It's just prostitution with extra steps
prostitution isn't bad, here it is legal and doesn't cause any problems.
>If they want to make art for free no money should be exchanged. Fair?
you can't really monitor that so its pointless.