Is Stoicism for cucks?

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>Is Stoicism for cucks?
what?

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Even when I walk through the darkest valley, I will not be afraid, for you are close beside me. Your rod and your staff protect and comfort me.

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>Jamal fucking your whore only hurts if you let it hurt you
>Live in accordance with nature. It's only natural that she's more attracted to Tyrone than your micropenis

absolutely

>hiding
c u c k

how much endorphins did you get from typing that stuff out? you feel pretty good now, huh?

Nah,I feel empty as fuck.

Basically yes. Like buddhism and christianity, it's just a way to cope with bad things happening to you without actually doing anything to change them.
>Be a stoic and just bear it without letting it get to you lol
>Reach nirvana by just not letting anything affect you lol
>Just endure the bad stuff and love your enemies and you'll get to worship God in heaven in the next life lol
Behind all of these is a message: let others keep doing bad shit and just accept it.
How about this?
FUCK KIKES
FUCK NIGGGERS
FUCK SPICS
FUCK GOOKS
FUCK TRANNIES
and most of all
FUCK JANNIES

Stoicism is not about being a passive piece of shit, but to stay cool and calm to take a better decision.

Yes. It is cuckoldry the philisophy.

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I enjoy stoic discussions. Responding to happenings trumps reacting to happenings.

The message absolutely isn't 'let others keep doing bad shit and just accept it'. You're encouraged to distinguish between that which is within your control and that which is not. Not being a little bitch is certainly within your control.

stoicism is for people who have it all and don't want to go crazy from all that power and influence.
stoicism means nothing for people who have nothing.

>Epictetus was a slave
fucking noob, it goes both ways

I think o being centered....

stoicism doesn't really give you enough boost to fight for your dreams. ofc you can be like 'whatever' when you're fucked but by being passive it's hard to move on. but it is also true that I'm not a specialist in the field so
> prove me wrong

Stoicism is the absolute base of a functioning society and an accurate response to progressivism.
It also was one of the founding stones of catholicism and part of what made it so successful.

Yes existentialism is the top tier chad philosophy

aaaaand.... nothing happened

Well I'm no expert in the field either, but the first part of your post I think is inaccurate. "Stoicism doesn't really give you enough boost to fight for your dreams" -- The way I see it is stoicism as a tool. You can still fight for whatever you want, and as hard as you like, while keeping the stoic principles of not worrying about things which are not in your control, observing your impressions, abandoning materialism, being at one with nature, etc. If anything, it makes it easier to fight for your dreams because it allows you to cast all of the minuscule and unimportant things aside, and it also encourages you to take complete responsibility for yourself and your actions. Like I said I'm not an expert, I've only read Marcus Aurelius, Epictetus and a little bit of Seneca, but the tools I've picked up from them I've found can be useful in almost any endeavor or situation in life.

>Implying you are full 14/88 in public and in a respectable, relevant position
Caracalla was a shitskin incompetent cuck, but that one statue makes up for it.
Indifference is only the modern, simplified understanding, in it's traditional sense, stoicism is the understanding the problem and the solution, which isn't the same as not caring about the problem and the solution. You clearly know nothing.
Or it can be "fight for you dreams and don't be demoralized by trivial shit"? Maybe your dreams aren't good enough to be covered by stoicism.
>It also was one of the founding stones of catholicism
Well, you're not wrong. I'm not a huge proponent of Stoicism (existential nihilist here) and definitely not of christkekery, but it's definitely there.
Oh yes it did, Artyom. You are living in the post war world.
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No, everything else is for cucks

>Is Stoicism for cucks?
by definition

>that happens when plebs find out philosophy
>universal education was a mistake

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Stoic parents produce shitty offspring

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodus

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No, but it inevitably leads to MGTOW in the current social climate.

> "Stoicism doesn't really give you enough boost to fight for your dreams" -- The way I see it is stoicism as a tool.
I can agree with that. Stoicism provides you with tools to deal with things that - according to stoicism - don't matter.
> If anything, it makes it easier to fight for your dreams because it allows you to cast all of the minuscule and unimportant things aside, and it also encourages you to take complete responsibility for yourself and your actions.
it doesn't really mean much in context of dreams. I mean, if you have a strong goal, a solid dream, it may help you, but if your dreams are not well-established, in fact, if you want to know what to fight for, stoicism is not the answer.
>Or it can be "fight for you dreams and don't be demoralized by trivial shit"? Maybe your dreams aren't good enough to be covered by stoicism.
as said above, most people do not start with good dreams, except the simple, childish one's born in the childhood. so you need to have some framework to see what has value and what doesn't have. stoicism doesn't address this issue strongly enough and may be unattractive for people trying to find meaning in this world.

None of those are about being passive and while I am not an expert on Stoicism I know for a fact Hindu/Buddhist tradition these are systems of action for a warrior elite. They are all about action but one must accept that they are only entitled to action and not the fruit of ones action.
Do you think it a coincidence that Krishna lectured on a battlefield? Life is a battle and a battle where one must do ones duty. Fucking hell leaving to hide in a monastery is not really the right approach and for those who it is their number is few.

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maybe because the stoic parents are venting and projecting into their child all the bullshit they put up with instead of sucking it the fuck up like a proper stoic

being stoic is highly alpha, you can't lose if you do it right

No.
Because it doesn't truly exist.

I don't know about Stoicism on the whole but Aurelius was a giga cuck. Didn't realize it because I was enjoying Meditations but his whole "citizen of the world" garbage had me thinking that it must've been a forgery or something. Then he doubts and comes close to the existence of the gods, which is something even the most cynical nihilists of his time and even after didn't do. It can't teach you if you've already accepted personal responsibility and locus of control.

Except the second world war.

>m I know for a fact Hindu/Buddhist tradition these are systems of action for a warrior elite. They are all about action but one must accept that they are only entitled to action and not the fruit of ones action.
>Do you think it a coincidence that Krishna lectured on a battlefield? Life is a battle and a battle where one must do ones duty.
the problem with that comparison is stoicism doesn't really add much supernatural stuff to justify some of it's ideas. hinduism and buddhism requires you to also believe in things beyond your everyday life. stoicism by itself doesn't do that and by this doesn't give you a solid foundation what is good and what is bad.

Second world war is a myth buddy, never happened

Which is a fair point, like I said I am not an expert on Stoicism, but I imagine that is why the best parts were integrated into Christianity to give a more complete metaphysical worldview.
Wile for the certain type of man maybe Stoicism may cut it for masses it is clearly inadequate.

the best mental model that one can have is that of the white power cryptokike (who hates kikes). In which you obviously do not give in to the many vices that are found around this planet. But instead of completely eliminating them, which is possible with proper pursuit, you maintain make sure the vices do not go berserk, and instead keep the emotions that you have at extremely low levels. Lets say that the normal levels for love are like at 7 out of 10 for normies, 10 out of 10 for romantics and philanderers. Yours should be 2 out of 10, same goes for food lust, and many other things, tho I would say for sexuality it should be at 1/10.

A few "vices" should be maintained, but for other reasons. You see if you have something that these degenerates have, but in lower levels, you can feel with them, you know when it occurs, you feel empathy/sympathy for them. But where you diverge is in its application, quantity and quality. Instead of feeling these things all the time, you briefly feel it, so confirm it, and then use a countering strategy/tactic to exploit it. To steer them, to keep feeling some sense of connectivity with them, because that connectivity is what enables you to influence.

That is how I have been structuring my meditation sessions towards, not sure if it works or not but it seems to be the most reasonable given what I know.

i would pity you if i didnt think it disrespectful

that's not a bad post. stoicism requires something more to fill in the gaps related to the good and the evil. it does, however, provide a good basis for social rules

Well eat my shit out of my asshole and call me sir, aren't you an arrogant little cunt?!

based retard

You're a faggot that has never read a Stoic philosopher

It's actually the exact opposite you fucking idiot. Marcus Aurelius had a big problem with barbarians. You know what he did about that problem? He calmed down, meditated a bit, and then fucking killed them.

Burma's Buddhists had a big problem with Muslim Rohingya. You know what they did? Meditated a bit and then fucking killed them.

I am a avid follower of Stoicism , which is why i hate coming here. It is only virtuous to concern yourself with things in your control. I.E. IF some nog wanted to "bvll" your girlfriend, you murder him - for that is something you can control. kidding .

The Stoic thought would dictate you smile at nog , and the whore if sexual action was reciprocated, and turn around standing alone once again - never to even entertain either of them. Not letting it get to you , not letting the emotional pain destroy you , is true stoic thought.

i hope you find more confidence in your way of though

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You want some good reading user take a loot at these two. The first is rather raw but the author is attempting to deal with how in the future the European people need to transcendence both Paganism and Christianity and connect with the divine
arktos.com/2019/09/13/confessions-before-our-old-god/
and this one is about how the right needs a metaphysics of death if it is to overcome the position we are currently in
arktos.com/2019/08/07/to-love-death/
None of these are directly connected to the topic at hand but the author is great. Honestly everything on arktos is great.

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This

Yes

Yes. Being an island unto yourself and suppressing your humanity is robot tier.

You talking shit about aurelius? The link is about his son, the next emperor of rome.

what the hell are You talking about?

me2 bro

That is from your personal life or what?

Based memeflagger, getting paid to shill, yet painfully self aware.

It's obselete. It was the thinking man's religion before Christianity came along

He's right. Were you there during WW2? No? So it never happened. It's all some text in books telling you it happened, but it never did.

What is it with all the faggots here unable to grasp the difference between stoicism, personal responsibility and nihilism/indifference/apathy. I thought pol was smart and well read.
How hard is to grasp that there things beyond our control that we must learn to accept or sometimes even embrace.

apologies for how i came off on my first post. the line was a bit harsh but it summed up my thoughts in the moment

>It's obsolete
how so? we still debate its merits now. see

The ideas of stoicism are timeless and the christian doctrine is largely based on them.

They go hand and hand, as a christian has the individual responsibly to live like Christ , or as Christ-like as he can. And Christianity teaches one to be constantly grateful , sacrifice , and better ones self all similar to virtuous stoic thought.

just shit-stirrers and muck-rakers. Jews and leftists who will tell any lie, say absolutely anything to attack and discredit that which they fear.

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Most stoics eventually converted to Christianity. Many of the great philosophers of the early church came out of stoicism. This is my opinion of course, but stoicism in itself is an intelligent worldview, but it feels like it tells half a story. Christianity seems to tell the whole story

if anything stoicism makes you far more resilient. Life is unforgiving and most people retreat to vice in order to bear it. A stoic man can find happiness and see beauty even in dire situations, all the while being just and lawful.

what gaps does christ fill in the stoic thought?

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Also, I agree. Most of modern buddhism is fake and gay compared to its roots. I'm just shitting on the cucked modern version of things for the sake of spurring conversation.
Buddhism doesn't really require any belief beyond what you experience through your senses imo. It sort of offhandedly says that gods exist, but even these are illusions to be overcome on the way to nirvana.

Agreed. Stoic thought has pulled me out of darkness many times, and now i know what darkness feels like i'm no longer scared of the condition. Something stoicism has thought me , everything is overcome able if one approaches things first without responsive emotional rashness.

Logos (not the YouTube meme version, in the traditional sense). The behavior that stoicism promotes is great, but it's missing a real, solid reason for it. Generally, reasons given are ironically very unstoic, they tend to boil down to mysticism. On the other hand, Christianity's logos - the logic behind its actions - are tied to Christ, a Man who lived, spoke, died, and lived again. I think we naturally understand what it means to be virtuous, but it's great to understand why.

thank you big brained poster

The ideas of Buddhism are timeless and the stoic philosophy is largely based on them.

>is philosophy made by cucks for cucks
GEE I DON'T KNOW

The thing is, Christianity can and has been interpreted to make any number of obviously degenerate things allowable like race-mixing. It's ironic how one of the things that Christ is most explicit about throughout the gospels - that kikes are evil, subversive, children of the devil - is not held by any major branch of christianity. Other less explicit things are even less adhered to and more widely misinterpreted.
I don't see christianity as a solid basis for morality. It's up to christians to prove it can be.

are you really just mad at zeus or what?

You're a beta idiot. Read Meditations and instead of sperging out try to calm down and understand what he is saying.

Christ would not be against race-mixing and you know that very well you dishonest prick.

>Christianity can and has been interpreted to make any number of obviously degenerate things allowable like race-mixing.
what a retard

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How do you prove this to modern christians though?
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There is no Greek or Jew to God, this is in the Bible. Judging by the pacifist and altruistic nature of Christ, he would not dislike or be against people of other races. The whole fucking point of Christ was that he was beyond human and human at the same time, so do you really think he would care about his phenotype? I am certain he didn't care about his ethnicity either, because he believed he was on another plain of existence.

>The most virtuous man was a Jewish pacifist
Yep that’s stoicism.

You're a retard.

define stoicism. marcus aurelius wouldn't be an essential stoic at that time.

Race mixing is not intrinsically evil. How it often belongs to the vice of imprudence or filial impiety.

shit nevermind I misread your original post as saying christ would be against race mixing.
So, you're saying there's nothing in christianity that preserves race? So at its core, christianity is degenerate? What good are christian morals then?

t. never read anything about the topic but has an opinion

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Did you know people were even more christian under Jim Crow and nazi germany than today? How stupid are you?
Christianity has being around for more than 2000 years, the cause for today's "degeneracy" is secularism, foreign elites, freemasonry and lack of faith.

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Aurelius is gangster af, I was only referring to the notion that stoicists raise poor children

Christ was no pacifist, he was at war thru logic and words. he was showing strength thru peace in a realm of overwhelmingly cavalier violence. his psychological attack on the rulers of that realm was gaining traction, he was spurring revolution. that's why they then killed him

Christ is now going to come around and kill every swinging dick against him with a sawed off shotgun throughout Armageddon, because he can be violent too

>Bulgarian
>existential nihilist

And water is wet. Don't you think the latter is your way to fill the void created by you not being faithful to Christianity or your country?

>So, you're saying there's nothing in christianity that preserves race?

The preservation of the race belongs to civic and familial authority.

>What good are christian morals then?

Salvation, the Beatific vision.

Jesus "cares" about race insofar as he in his divinity created them and sustains them.

You got a fucked up mind, how does the broad sense of stoicism relate to your cuck fantasy?

>Words are violence

You pomo faggot

Problem is, we can't be sure if Christ said the things that the apostles claim he said. Some of the things might have truly been his words and some not, but I doubt we can distinguish them, so talking about some kind of true Christianity based on Christ alone is absurd at this point in time. Not to mention that the fact that Christ allegedly said that he was just fulfilling the prophecy of the OT and that the OT is the true word of God makes Christianity inherently tied to Judaism, so Christianity will not be able to form as a completely separate faith.

In regards to ethnic and racial matters, it is very obvious that Christ didn't care about that much. And why would he? He was a homeless man in his 30s walking in deserts with an empty stomach. The brutal reality is that Christ just gave up on life and indulged in his delusions.

Simple truth - a man with no wife, no children and no deeds for his people is no worthy of being emulated by others. Christ is supposed to give us the example of the perfect, sinless human, so now are we supposed to go extinct?

3 Fun Ideas:

1) Don't stress over that which you can't do anything about.

2) You're under no obligation to be the person you were 5 minutes ago.

3) If you view something as hard, it's hard, and if you view something as easy, it's easy.

Thomas Jefferson blew Stoics the fuck out over 200 years ago, and they have never recovered.

Epicureanism is the way of patricians.


".... As you say of yourself, I TOO AM AN EPICUREAN. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing every thing rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us. Epictetus, indeed, has given us what was good of the Stoics; all beyond, of their [doctrines] dogmas, being hypocrisy and grimace." -Thomas Jefferson, Oct. 31 1819

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Also, this new Youtube guy Wes Watson says many things that are part of the stoicist mindset.

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hmm i was holding off on reading my epicurus book but maybe i'll dip into it sooner than later...

That's a good idea, since Epicurus is unironically one of the best moral philosophers, period.