>They said they had “legal and convincing evidence which will stand in a courtroom” that the BUK system involved came from the 53rd anti-aircraft missile brigade based in Kursk, in western Russia.
theguardian.com
So, when can we expect more sanctions against russia? Can we do a Trump and wall of russia entirely and let them starve to death under their own incompetence?
I just wish i knew why the hell i should care
>They
I remember when "they" had "slam-dunk" evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Saddam's Iraq, too.
Pretty sure the MH17 crash investigation team didn't claim shit about any Iraqi WMDs
>we
This is precisely why you should never let socialists gut your military budget
>be Dutch
>Russians kill several hundred of your civilians for shits and giggles
>your military can do literally nothing
>nobody else cares enough to act on your behalf
I now want a montage of the political fuckery that went down prior to the invasion set to the theme of Space Jam.
Even if they had a massive military, what could they do? The Netherlands is on the wrong end of Europe, there is a couple of countries between them and their justified genocide of russians.
>After years of asking "where is proofs?" and claiming "poor Russia always being blamed for everything"; proofs are found.
>Russia will now double down, claiming "Was always us, strong Russia plays west like puppet show, pussy west terrified to respond"
Based Russia, truly the Chad of international politics.
What were they going to do if they had a significant military budget?
Send an expeditionary force over to Ukraine to train the Ukrainian military and make life hell for the """rebels"""
>ukraine
No such thing.
Old news OP, that was known for years.
>Guardian
Aka CIA/MI6 Psy-Ops
i never understood why the netherlands or eu never cared about almost 300 of it's citizens getting massacred by russian backed russians
i also never understood why the hell you fly over an active warzone
>Ukrainian junta allows civilian airliners over a war zone arrogantly claiming that there is no uprising
>Send civilian airliners into airspace where just in the weeks prior, sophisticated SAMs were known to have taken down junta military transports and combatants
The Kiev junta government is equally to blame for the tragedy.
>sophisticated SAM
>Can't tell the difference between warplane and 777
lel
Thats down to the operator. Sophisticated in the sense of having zero trouble knocking out countermeasure equipped military aircraft.
How exactly does one tell apart an Il-76 from a 777 on a Soviet radar from 30 km?
Do the symbols look different?
Well, they did murder a few hundred dutchmen out of sheer drunken incompetence - and get away with it, too
> Russia did _________ . please fill in the blank
At this point Russia could nuke Britian and I would believe it unless I saw a Russian plane clearly drop an atomic bomb on britian.
You can only listen to your media and half of your government cry wolf for so long with all this money spent on frivolous investigations that turn up exactly ZERO evidence to support their claims.
> and I wouldn't believe it*
Ftfy
>i never understood why the netherlands or eu never cared about almost 300 of it's citizens getting massacred by russian backed russians
Because the EU is a paper tiger.
> Dutchman
My in-laws are first generation immigrants from Denmark.
It's almost as bad as the time Israelites attacked an American naval ship and killed our enlisted, but good thing being antisemitic is against the law or they wouldn't have gotten away with it.
Yes, it was a deliberate plot by the ukrainian junta to frame russia by using a ground attack plane to shoot down a civilian airliner.
Get a grip you faggot. I don't believe the Syrian shoahs either, but it's pretty clear who shot down the jet. It was an accident for sure, but it was still the fucking vatniks who did it. Just because American kike media lies doesn't mean the Russians are somehow pure and innocent. They lied their asses off not expecting anybody serious to believe it, just generate enough indecisiveness to stiffle immediate retaliation of some sort. Now, years later, nobody gives a shit. If this ever gets resolved it will be some sort of compensation settlement at worst.
>My in-laws are first generation immigrants from Denmark.
What do your inlaws have to do with this? Did they died in the vodka missile massacre?
Oddly enough, ''they'' never did and because of that the Bush Administration made up their own intelligence gathering operation in the WH to furnish the necessary evidence.
In two years time vatniks will be XAXAXAXA ROSSIYA STROOOONK over the whole ordeal, thinking that murdering civilians equals military might.
Everyone already knew this, there are videos from 2 years ago documenting exactly what happened including recorded intercepted calls of the sam operator. Why is this old news suddenly be spammed everywhere. Also If anyone is expecting justice its never happening just like flight 655
So I was checking out the other civilian airliners that have been shot down and it seems like the resolution process takes a while unfortunately.
How would admitting fault undermine the Russian's operations in Donbass? Would it open them up to being investigated for other violations of international law? Is that why they've been unwilling to admit fault because it could cause problems beyond just shooting down the aircraft.
I know this is probably the wrong place to ask but is anyone more knowledgeable about this?
Based Russians. They're not pushovers like Caliphate EU and the US that got conquered by Mexicans and those weakasses didn't fire a single shot to defend their country.
I agree user.
I'm as Vatnik as they come, but it's breddy clear that it was an accidental shoot-down and then Moscow launched a bunch of disinfo about the Su-25 etc.
It's pretty clear that the party that's liable for the deaths of these civilians is the authority that cleared civilian overflights of a SAM-infested warzone...
And years after the war they were found
Which one is your favorite conspiracy out of kreml regarding the shootdown?
Mine is that it was actually a Python-3 missile because of course blame has to be shifted towards da joos!
>Python-3
That honestly sounds like ZOG disinfo to damage Kremlin disinfo
...to have had no evidence.
are these fuckups ever going to stop crying about russia?
I fucking hate the russians
Are we on stage 5 now?
Fuck off back to kc... oh wait.
>investigators
>international team
>they
This reads like a bullshit political piece.
Wrong.
Would an IL-76 be at 35k feet flying towards Rostov at 550mph?
What should they have done, let russia run the investigation?
The same russia that tampered with the evidence?
This. This is an awful "article". Vague with an over abundante use of general terms.
There's civilian flights over Syria, Yemen and Afghanistan right now.
>UKROPS set up bait
>Vatniks are dumb enough to take it
Nevertheless the Ukrainians are shit heads, there is no nation more similar to the Russian than the Ukraine it's just that the Ukranian's lack any sort of power projection at all. They are essentially Russia that is somehow even more retarded
What I'm pointing out is that you have to be a retard to take anything in this article as legit and not propaganda.
Daily reminder you can make the warhead yourself with basic understanding of metallurgy, explosives and a lathe, it's no classified information.
funny story about that brazilian terrorist, he later returned to brazil after appearing a lot on russian television as a war hero. he then got lured back into ukraine under the assumption he'd get a job as a private security contractor, idiot actually made his way to kiev just to be arrested and put into prison upon arrival.
he then got released and put under house arrest in kiev, where he joined a monastery and converted to orthodoxism.
some ukrainian nationalists found out about him basically being set free, took him out of the monastery and shame walked him through kiev, forcing him to beg the ukrainian people for forgivness on his knees.
A million Russians are not even worth a single Dutch fingernail. Russia should have been sanctioned and every Russian should have fucking starved to death, subhuman beasts and animals. I'm glad communism happened.
MH-17 pilots did fly a slightly different path then ordinairy because they wanted to fly around a thunderstorm. That might've been odd/suspiciously enough for the SAM crew to think the Ukrainian's were pretending to be an airliner to avoid being shot down.
>be enough of a drunken fuckup to fire a SAM at a fuckhuge target traveling at 33,000 feet
>boast about "shooting down another hohol transport plane" on Twitter
>backpedal and engage in damage control when even your krokodil-addled brain realizes that hundreds of civilian bodies probably weren't headed to the front
>HURR IT WAS ACTUALLY TEH UKROPS FAULT
Only in vodkaniggerland.
>LIES!!!1 FAKE NEWS!!!
Take a pick of any other news organization then, everyone not a kreml propaganda outlet is reporting the same.
>Starving Russians to death.
>2018.
You cant do that anymore, their agricultural sector has grown so much (Thanks to all those sanctions) that they not only are independent, they have become one of the largest export countries in the world.
Dozens of other airliners were on the same path that day, before and after MH17.
IIRC his mistake was flying british airlines, they made a stopover in Kiev.
No such nation.
Yes, the one that they normaly would take but MH-17 took a DIFFERENT path because of the thunderstorm that happend to be there at the time.
Ok, thats fine. Doesn't change the fact that this is a poorly written article by a shitty website.
1. Will this information actually change anything?
2. Does anyone actually care anymore?
All the jets that day did.
1. No.
2. Media, must screech because World Cup.
Can WW3 just start already? I don't even care why at this point.
Literally nobody really a gives a fuck about it, its essentially just as Libya pretty much forgotten.
You're a fucking tard
Considering the fact the civilian airliners fly in pre ordered and well known directions and altitude and transmit IFF codes....
Like Flight 655?
No.
No.
Also, the "information" alone isn't enough. they need to go to court if they want to make some sort of... whatever the fuck they are trying to do... symbolic statement maybe?
In any case, if the US wants to put even more sanctions on Russia, they can do it freely, they don't need excuses or anything to do whatever they want.
I feel kind of bad for Russia for that. At least with China, the americans can't realistically put any kind of pressure or sanctions on them.
>glad that Russians shot down a airliner
Be glad, it's the only time Russian SAM's actually work.
You newniggers need to google "Snake Eyes."
No, it was a super secret stealth aircraft.
What the hell do dutchman have to do with denmark? Dutchman are people from Netherlands.
>The Guardian
So I guess this means those pesky Russians shot down MH370 too
>da joos!
Just because vatniks are cunts doesn't mean jews aren't behind a lot of things.
>every news outlet reports on this
>OH EM GEE ITS THE GUARDIAN HOW GULLIBLE CAN YOU GET JEEZE
Dumb frogposter.
"Snake eyes" is too ambiguous, what am I looking for?
Every thread
>i also never understood why the hell you fly over an active warzone
Because You are nigger and You do not understand basic rules of commercial air traffic
Also:
>active warzone
Fucks sake you people are really retarded
>not only are independent, they have become one of the largest export countries in the world.
I have had no idea, that Russia used to import whataboutism and pic related
This fucking meme.
1. Saddam was bluffing the Iranians and trying to make it seem like he had WMD, as far as I know Russia hasn't been laying down false intel to make it seem like they did this, no?
2. This whole "ah ha, Western analyst were wrong about WMD so they must be wrong about Drumph and anything Russia does!" meme is retarded. Analysts raised huge red flags. The leaked prior to the invasion. Within months after we knew that the intel was highly politicised. The Bush White House had to resort to planting stories in the NYTimes and WaPo to piggy back on their credibility because third party analysts were not with them. Today all third parties agree Russia was in Ukraine, and that Russia shot the plane down. It's not comparable.
Open a fucking book on Iraq.
What's an u-crane?
Invincible Russian air defenses counter any civilian planes.
Russians themselves implemented food sanctions as a counter since that is about the only thing they can sanction that doesn't massively shoot them in the foot.
>Crammed communism up their ass for most of a century
>"Wow, so butthurt"
but where are the proofs?
>d00d iraq totally has WMD
>d00d russians totally murdered that other d00d with poison
>d00d russians shot down some plane in ukraine civil war
>no proofs ever delivered
The Russians must devastated by your irrelevant opinion of them
Awful lot of kopeks getting paid in this thread.
You cared enough to earn 5 kopeks,тaвapыш
>So, when can we expect more sanctions against russia?
IP address range ban an full hermit kingdom approaching for best Korea 2.0
Proofs of all those where presented but in usual order, vatniks scream lies unless said proofs are countersigned by putin himself.
>just about every country in Russia's former sphere of influence seeks NATO membership or protection
>HURRRR LOLOL Y U SO BUTTHURT THO xDDD
This is your brain on krokodil.
I second this where is the proof guys.
there are never any proofs shown, just more stupid MSM lies to gobble up.
Boy do kreml have the shillbots out in force today.
Implying you're not the brainlet
would NATO bomb rebels in Ukraine now
In where?
in Ukraine