US did not serialize parts like europeans

>US did not serialize parts like europeans
>Soldiers would throw all pic related bolts and other parts in buckets of cleaning solution
>everyone grabbed a part to reassemble

I'm not sure if that was just a myth of them throwing parts together at random, but how did the US get around not serializing their bolts at least?

Is there something magical about these that makes them immune to headspace problems?

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Nobody noticed when they were improperly headspaced because they were unreliable pieces of shit even on a good day ;^)

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From what I understand the deal with the M14 was GI parts are all much much closer to the same spec out of factory. Even beating out our best commercial parts like Bula, LRB, or SEI. So what would happen is when the armory first recieved an M14, itd be headspaced to the same spec as the other rifles. Instead of bolt lapping this would usually be achieved with a chamber reamer to kust keep opening it up slightly lengthwise. This way any servicable GI bolt would drop into a barreled reciever and meet headspace. This would never be possible on commercial recievers. You can barely even drop in Operating rods to SAI recievers, and even scope mounts can require some slight modification due to recievers (either cast or forged) being out of spec at the surface on the left side of the reciever that aligns the scope mount.
Not sure if this applies to the Garand and Carbine too.

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it's a meme based on a meme.

the US was the first nation to have mass-producing take off, and the first firearms contractor did a demo for congress with 20 guns assembled from random parts in buckets.

soldiers are stupid
that's why you serialize atleast the major parts

I doubt that implies every garand or carbine made in that time would headspace together without any issues

That's not even what the Krauts thought, they loved the Carbines to shit, and the Garands too. Sights are nice, semi auto, high capacity, reliable, powerful, etc. Better than some old bolt action hunting rifle...

The US cared a LOT about interchangeable parts. In fact I think the US put more thought and planning into logistics in general than any other nation in the war. Which makes sense when you consider that any war material they produced had to cross at least one ocean.

You only need to serialize your bolts when your production process involves some degree of hand fitting, and thus one bolt is either going to be sticky or not headspace in another rifle. The US put in the effort to avoid hand fitting whenever possible, and so serializing the bolts just wasn't necessary.

Mostly untrue. M1s are unreliable today because the mainsprings are all worn out on them after 70 years and because we re-use the magazines when in the field they were actually treated as disposable and only used a couple of times before being replaced.

A lot of companies pitched-in during WW2.
Even companies like IBM and Singer made firearms or firearm components. The M1 carbine, especially, was very heavily standardized.

Think of it like the AR-15 of its day and it suddenly makes sense.

Carbines are pretty slick, it's a shame that the new production isn't good.

>Mostly untrue. M1s are unreliable today because the mainsprings are all worn out on them after 70 years and because we re-use the magazines when in the field they were actually treated as disposable and only used a couple of times before being replaced.
What's weird is the guys in WW2 were able to actually treat the mags as disposable. You always hear the meme about the AR-15, FAMAS, and others being disposable but later turning out to be completely impractical. Yet for some reason USGIs in WW2 had no problem sourcing mags on the push into Europe.

Given the experience there it makes perfect sense that the designers of the aforementioned weapons would have though disposable mags were entirely acceptable.

>Singer made firearms or firearm components.
i read an article in American Rifleman about Singer. they were contracted to make 1911s but their machining and hand fitting was so fucking good that they were redirected to manufacture analog computers for high altitude bomber calculations

Not surprising, DESU. Know how small the components on sewing machines are? Can't make things too out of spec and have those function.

>YFW an old widow handed in a Singer 1911 to a gun buyback
Her ol' hubby must've been spinning in his grave.

Few militaries have had issues treating clips as disposable. Mannlicher, Grand, Berthier, heck even 5.56 before it is loaded into mags.

NO military has really done the disposable mag system properly.

Apparently we did a pretty good job with the M1 Carbine and that's what he's talking about.

Is the fulton armory reproduction as good as people say?

And then Black Hawk Down happened, and while the doctrine was to drop and dispose the mag, they were resupplied with stripper clips and loose rounds.

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>Is there something magical about these that makes them immune to headspace problems?
That was back then when American engineering and manufacturing was the best in the world hands down.

M1 Carbines were not fielded and used on the same scale as the M16 or FAMAS, which were infantry rifles.

I'd like to see a fucking citation on his statement.

They made over 6 million of them, dude.

Yes, typically. Yes, typically, as in usually, not only, because plenty of infantrymen used Carbines. I know this, don't go source up pictures of them holding them because I know they used them which is why I said "typically" and not "only". Carbines were issued to rear troops over a rifle and a sidearm. It was an effective means to arm rear units not expected to get into a firefight with a rather meh weapon instead of carrying around a full kit. So, carbines were not nearly as wide spread as movies and vidya portray.

The only piece of equipment we made more of during the war was the M1 helmet. Audie Murphy himself was a big fan of it.

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They were fielded on a *much* larger scale than those rifles. Hell, in ww2 there were more m1 carbines made (6.1m) than garands (5.5m).

they were issued to fire team leaders, squad leaders, NCOs, mortar troops, artillery troops (technically rear but still worth mentioning), sniper spotters, and infantry would actively seek out getting their hands on carbines and thompsons when they could. maybe they weren't quite as widespread as the standard infantry rifle, but they certainly weren't as uncommon as you seem to be suggesting

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M1: sturdy as a mountain
M14: literally over 95% had loose/missing parts from the factory

European gun makers had a centuries long tradition of copious hand fitting of parts. Since the American Civil War, the War Department wanted more mass produced interchangeable parts. The US restructured it's self around the industrial revolution. This did not happen in Europe which held on to tradition even in the post-war period.

US armorers were furnished with tools and training to fix most problems in the field. Headspacing gauges were in most armorer tool kits. Remember, what did and still does make the US Army so formidable is our extensive logistics.

Man you guys just love reposting ian dont you

>old widow handed in a Singer 1911 to a gun buyback
She was probably very confused when she died and woke up in hell.