>Can only carry 4x 550km range standoff missiles in internals
>F-35 can carry 6
>J-20 can carry more
Fielding shit like this should be illegal. Why can't they buy Chinese? Hasn't China already tested Air to Ground super standoff missiles that has more than 1,000km ranged and can be carried internally?
The F-35 can't
>Why can't they buy Chinese?
lol
Proof?
Aren't you supposed to be proving it can?
What a retard...
> >F-35 can carry 6
> >J-20 can carry more
but it simply can't. Because no one of those don't have missiles with such range in their inventory.
This shit is really the most discussed news in Chinese military watcher's forums right now.
The Russian bear is still admired and gained considerable more admiration with their stealth missiles.
Dude, just explain to me how you're going to fit 6 JASSMs in here.
About the J-20, well i couldn't care less about Chinese hardware.
Is that supposed to be an F 35? I didn't know they had rear internal bays
The J-20 is also just optimized for 4 AG missiles of the size of the CM-400AKG.
A similiar sized stealth missile would also fit, but not more than 4.
Having 4 stealth missiles is already fucking good.
Which missiles are you talking about?
LITTLE
The J-20s weapons bay is only a bit bigger than the F-22s
The J-20 is so ugly, Jesus.
Not him, but probably wanted to say "anti stealth missiles" which are the S-400.
but those missiles are not anti-stealthm, the nebu M radar system is. It uses one radar for early warning, that uses radio wavelenghts which apperently is one side of the spectrum that in which the stealth technology doesn't work with up to 400 km, detection. But since that radar cannot give you the exact location nor can be used to guide missiles, it adds two additional radars of the S and L bands, that will activate and search the zone marked by the radio-wavelenght radar until they locate the target(and they are separated because the S and L radars will be look at the sides of the stealth plane where suposedly stealth is less effective) and launch missiles because the S and L radars can actually paint and track a target.
The F-35 uses jamming, but apparently the Nebu M is so redundant that it's quite resistant to jamming, and even if HARM missiles are used for SEAD the Nebu M system is prepared to leave the zone in under 5 minutes(and Russians are now trying to develop radar that is actually active on the move) and redeploy in less than 5 minutes too.
If you do not believe that F-35 can carry at least 6 CMs internally then you are a russian bot.
It's deeper, tho.
Nice expaination.
While it gives good perspectives on how stealth can be "defeated" or at least worked around, it also shows a good argument FOR low-observable fighters: The fact that it complicates the task of defending air defence a lot. You need to integrate several different radars along with your launchers and even then there's still a chance of just catching a HARM to the face if your in bad luck.
It's deeper, the J-20 is basically a stealthy F-105, filling the super-sonic interdiction/nuclear strike role.
>in which the stealth technology doesn't work
Kek'd
RCS at wavelengths close to the size of the object decreases by a factor proportional to the wavelength squared. The radar formula compensates for this as we all know. But now you only have the actual stealth features that influence stealth, which doesn't have as much of an impact as some people tend to think. Modern stealth as seen on the F-35 is also highly effective against L-band radar, and you really have to look into UHF radar for a real decrease in stealth ability. On the other hand, such wavelengths also need fuckhuge arrays for any decent accuracy, and are also more susceptible to jamming.
There's a reason stealth appeared after longwave radar and not the oter way around.
>F-35 can carry 6 (with 500+ km range).
Can it really?
>fuckhuge arrays
all parts of the nebu M are mobile
Also, the Nebu M is resistant to jamming by the F-35
I'm mostly quoting this:
ausairpower.net
and some other articles that I can't find right now
>F-35 can carry 6
>J-20 can carry more
Lol, yeah, right, prove it. F-35 can't even carry AGM-84H/K.
>internal bays are rectangular
>make missiles rectangular too
OPAA!
To have the same accuracy as a 1m wide x-band radar (all other parameters the same)it would need to be over 100m wide. It clearly isn't.
Jamming resistance isn't something you can just have or not, it depends on many factors, mainly range/power. A Nebo-M radar is going to be easy go jam at long ranges, but difficult at really short ranges.
Also ausairpower is the equivalent of crystal healers using scientific terminology. It's absolutely bogus crap. For your own good, stay away from that website.
But then, what else can I use?
Do I have to take your word for it?
LITTLE AMERICAN ARSENAL
BIG CHINESE PAYLOAD
>A Nebo-M radar is going to be easy go jam
>ausairpower lies, I say!
Lol, fuck off user.
By Sprey's forehead, you've cracked the code
Try finding academic courses or books on radar. Even wikipedia is much more reliable than ausairpower.
Ausairpower doesn't just lie, it's utterly full of shit.
>having such bad reading comprehension
Yes, at high ranges the Nebo-M is going to be easy to jam, because of square root of power and things like that. But don't let physics get in the way of your vatnik beliefs my friend.
>Try finding academic courses or books on radar.
Uuuh, any recomendations?
>No spoilers like the PAK-FA
Weird, I thought the J-20 was rated for supersonic launch of supersonic munitions?
JASSM-ER has range over 900km. Google faggot.
>buy 2 F-22s
>buy 2 J-20s
>buy 2 Su-57s
>test them against eachother
>buy more of the winner
So what? The JASSM can not be carried in the F-35s weapon bay.
>carlop kopp
>implying you can buy F-22s.
Impressive.
Both F-22 and J-20 internal bays are optimized for medium range AA missile - AMRAAM and PL-12. These missiles are 3.7 and 3.8 meters long.
Su-57 internal bays are optimized for long range AA missiles, RVV-SD - and now we know it can carry cruise missiles. They both are 4.2 meter long.
And F-35 can carry only JSOW bomb and JSM missile (3.9m) inside. JASSM only externally.
RVV-BD (R-37), not RVV-SD (R-77) - my mistake.
You can not buy F-22
But you can buy a similar aircraft with F-22 airframe and install superior electronic.
>hur resistant to jamming by f35
>nuuur we showed you murica
>country gets glassed by HAARP ionosphere energy beam from a bunch of chair force nerds in a bunker
Oh gee, your tech is so good senpai.
Pls dont beat up on us poor weak Amerimutts.
Implessive
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Su-57 can carry 4 cruise missiles internally and 4 externally on wing hadrpoints, 8 total.
F-35 can carry only 4 JASSM on wing.hardpoints.
J-20 can probably carry 4 cruise missiles (if there any) on wing hardpoints.
Dude, just bring up the Tiananmen Square Massacre. June 4, 1989.
Proof?
J-20 can carry more than what you think.
Dafuq you're babling about?
What kind of proof? There is photo ITT - with PL-12 missiles. They are analog of AIM-120D, length 3.7 meter
globalsecurity.org
There is also photo of side weapon bay with PL-10 short range missile, 3 meter long - so you cant fit cruise missile in this bay eiher.
So J-20 is basically similar to F-22 for short internal weapons bay, and will be not able to house long cruise missiles internally.
>square missiles
Literally why?
Square hole, square peg.
Stealth
Becaus Stealth and shit
>>country gets glassed by HAARP ionosphere energy beam from a bunch of chair force nerds in a bunker
HAARP is a target of conspiracy theorists, who claim that it is capable of "weaponizing" weather. Commentators and scientists say that advocates of this theory are uninformed, as claims made fall well outside the abilities of the facility, if not the scope of natural science.
The aircraft that carries them isn't even fucking stealth.
Storage efficiency.
[citation needed]
Are you saying JASSM-ER is not stealth because B-1B is not stealth?
And Su-57 is stealth.
Defining things in stealth/not stealth is kinda dumb. Low observable or low radar signature is better and it's not one or the other, rather to what degree.
And yes the Su-57 has a low radar signature. Just not as low as an F-35 or F-22 from what we know.
I'm thinking of ordering books myself, and not too sure where to start, but there are two main ways of getting at least the basics:
Online courses or websites like radartutorial.eu
If you're good with google you can find loads of pdf files from actual university courses lying around on the internet.
The other option is google scholar (or similar) to find actual studies on aircraft, plausible values for RAM and so on.
With the combination of both you should at least have the ability to see why ausairpower is full of shit, or filter the obvious shitposter comments.
Oh well, was expecting something akind to the OPpenheimer recommended reading list, but still is something.
Thanks.
A little comment, if I may....
Over the years I've noticed there's plenty of disinfo being posted about radars (and similar subjects like EW) online. Plenty of disinfo is being posted about other military subjects as well, but it's particularly common with radars since radar waves are invisible. Thus people can bullshit even more than with other, more visible, subjects.
I had a bunch of PDF files saved up but they got lost with a couple of forced reinstalls of windows.
One was really good because it was an academic course that covered all the basics yet remained understandable and easy to read.
NEBO, which means SKY.
yfw the chinks realized before the burgers that stealth fighters are a meme and the only thing you need is stealth for SEAD missions then non stealth planes to do the heavy lifting.
It is stealth, it just doesn't have stealth as it's only priority. But it is a stealth design.
If Pak Fa is stealth then so are the Euro 4.5th gens.
No internal weapon bays.
>F-35 can carry only 4 JASSM on wing.hardpoints.
2 JSM or SOM can also be carried internally.
The square shape is to maximize payload, like cigars.
Uh, no. Certain 4.5 gen jets are just conventional 4th-gen designs with some stealth features.
Su-57 is a stealth design with stealth features and fits the requirements to be classified as 5th-gen. The Su-57 will always have advantages over any 4.5 gen aircraft simply because it's an stealth optimized design and will naturally take longer to be detected, allowing it to engage 4.5 gen aircraft first.
It has the frontal RCS of a B1-B.
No.
[citation needed]
What methodology and instruments do you use to measure the radar cross section of Su-57? And where did you get the Su-57 in first place?
Not just stealth feature, Su-57 electronic and sensor is also 5 th gen.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
Alright your gutter oil gook fucks, playtime is over.
Tianenmen Square 1989
六四事件
Animal Farm
>Su-57 is a stealth design
Oh bull.
this needs to be changed to a red board for this shit.
The harm doesnt have a range of 400km. Also Harm launch leaves a large heat signature which shows the general position of a F35 even more. Finally, no stealth aircraft in the US can carry a harm internally so the nebo is completely safe from US sead.
>square
>not hex
I mean, come the fuck on.
The same reason why the storm shadow and jsow are angular.
>worrying about showing your turbine blade when you can carry 4 550km stand off weapon
Su-57 also have 3 and 9 o'clock RADAR panel, so it can hiding the intake by circling around the target.
Its going to be near impossible for them to circle a target that sees them first.
1.photoshopped. only 40% of the fan iis visible head on and its firther back
2. The su57 has radar blockers
>photoshopped
It isn't, this is a pretty common pic of the aircraft.
How is NATO going to respond to this combo i wonder, i mean, with these stand-off stealth missiles, it can ruin any NATO IAD system.
I googled it, it says it is a derogatory term for "homosexual male".
>NATO IAD system.
NATO isn't totally dependent on an IAD system like Russia, this isn't really a huge issue.
I like you.
What are those missile?
those are triangles nigger.
>worrying about showing your turbine blade when you can carry 4 550km stand off weapon
Not the point dumbass.
1. It's not photoshopped.
2. No it doesn't. Here's a bigger resolution, that's the engine, not a radar blocker.
I know that NATO doesnt rely a lot on an IAD but still, the virtual loss of the IAD due to this plane/stealth missile combo should be alarming nontheless because if air superiourity through fighter planes fails, then NATO wont have something to fall back upon.
>No it doesn't.
maybe because its a prototype from 2011? Its pretty much been confirmed that the production aircraft will have radar blockers.
But, no you're subhuman vatnik, western aircraft are 50 times superior to Russian garbage, those subhumans will never defeat western fighters.
Oh no, it’s retarded.