/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

Ya be truthful about it. Its not that big a deal, they just run their names to see if they are on a watchlist or some shit. You need their full name, address, and phone number.

Are there any jobs for psychiatric nurses in the military? Ive got bachelors degrees in nursing and psychology, and a masters degree in mental health nursing. My father was in the australian infantry for around 30 years and I am seriously considering enlisting but don't really want to waste all of my professional knowledge ive gained

So if I don't have that info, I have to request it from them?

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5 times in a year

Sorry, no. OPSEC. Watch the Army's own 35S MOS video on youtube: youtube.com/watch?v=dr4NJjKYDnE

It was recorded while I was at AIT (some of the young Soldiers in the video were in my company). All I can really tell you is that video is accurate, and you should adjust for ten years of technology development, and you will be exposed to additional classified hardware and software not pictured there. It's a very strategic MOS, and being deployed even while I was in (08-15) was not guaranteed.

Overall it was some of the best years of my life, followed by some of the worst. It really depends on where you get posted and what you make of it. Expect a lot of children grown older, broke-ass NCO leadership, and warrants. Discipline can be a problem in a lot of intel units. A lot of Soldiers are being poached to cyber, but the attrition rate there is fucking ridiculous. Do the job because you want to, not because you're gonna get rich. Ideally you should have some appreciation of radio principles. Tbhwyfamalam I picked up a nice HF radio set at my first duty station because of the job, and keep it because prepping for economic collapse.

Are you fuckin'? Are you in a significant other sort of relationship? Or does the person otherwise have some emotional leverage on you?

Always, always be truthful. Do not lie about anything.

In the US military nurses are officers, but i dont believe your specialty is common in the forces. Probably a few medical units that have them. If you join, they will probably put you wherever they want, so take that into consideration.

I got almost as many ribbons in 5 years as a muhreen grunt as my dad got in 21 years as an Air Force pilot lol.

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If youre not close enough to them to get their address, dont bother putting them down.

>Are you fuckin'?
No
>Are you in a significant other sort of relationship?
A bit ~4 years ago
>Or does the person otherwise have some emotional leverage on you?
None anymore

You think it won't be a complication then?

This is going to sound daft, but could you explain what a medical unit is in the context of say, a battalion?

>they will probably put you wherever they want
So if I enlist with those qualifications, they won't have me as a nurse because I didn't do my nursing training through the forces?

>You think it won't be a complication then?
No, as long as you're honest about it. A friend of mine was active duty with a Chinese girlfriend. He was on the job, but wasn't allowed in SCIF areas because his clearance wasn't active. That's probably your worst case scenario. Just be honest.

Replying to from the last thread
I'm certain i am fit enough my only problem is that I haven't ran since rotc in homeschool. I don't need to lose any weigh or develop strength I just need to work on my cardio a little.
I know I'm fit enough to join now I just probably couldn't run a mile without panting like a dog at the end. Again not because I'm fat or anything I just haven't ran in like 4 years.

>opsec
Really dude? You cant just tell me you troubleshoot and assist the 35N with the programs their running?

Ya i know there is more to your job, but cant you give me a generic answer like that? Because thats all ive seen 35S do. Other than doing scif shit.

Okay. I'm also the guy in the last thread who had a back surgery 15 years ago. Is that going to be a complication if I'm forthcoming on that and there are no negative effects from it?

Like i said, i only know how US military nurses work, so idk how aus mil does shit. Essentially you work as a normal RN duties in whatever units the hospital or clinic has. As you move up in rank, you move up in position like nurse practitioner, management, whatever. And remeber im saying nurses are officers, not enlisted. In the us military, enlisted medical are essentially medical assistants and LPN/LVN.

Just bring in the paperwork before you talk to a recruiter. Im talking all the medical paperwork associated with the back injury/surgery.

>Really dude? You cant just tell me you troubleshoot and assist the 35N with the programs their running?
35N go to a totally different school and do a totally different job. I mostly worked with 35N and 35P. We didn't "help" them with their jobs, they were fully capable. 35S use radio signal collection and analysis (like the MOS title says) to enhance the intelligence picture and keep higher informed. At the entry level, we contribute to reports when capable, sometimes with very critical intelligence. At my second duty station I did more of an intelligence admin role, and then the Army got me and I was working for them organizing at Brigade level. In other words: SCIF shit. I'm not sure what you're confused about.

Not confused. But thats really all you guys do? Fuck that sucks. I always thought youre guys mos was mismanaged into doing that kind of stuff.

I'll get a hold of that, but there was no injury/acute condition that led to the surgery and no metal implanted or alteration made to my vertebrae.

I assume at this point that it won't be any more significant than having had my wisdom teeth removed, right?

If you're applying for a clearance do not lie, either by purposeful wrong answers or by omission. If you are forthcoming about it, you should be fine. Especially if you meet or exceed the Army standards to the recruiter's satisfaction and during BCT. If you're in good shape now, or even great shape and can complete APFT with 270 or higher, you should be golden.

Why did you have the surgery?

But ya, just have the associated paperwork ready, and bring it to the recruiters office when you go. They then submit that paperwork to the meps doctor, who evaluates it, then determines if you get a waiver or not.

Nah, it doesn't suck. My resume is fucking boss. My years in gave me a lot of good technical experience and managerial experience, both as an NCO in charge of Soldiers and as an individual that civilian employees relied upon to represent their office.

Really, the job is what you make of it. I couldn't be happier with my time in, minus the Army barracks inspection bullshit and dealing with alcoholic CSMs. If you are motivated and talented, you will excel. If you aren't, go shoot mortars.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tethered_spinal_cord_syndrome
Alright. I shouldn't have a problem with the APFT.

Hey not to Jow Forums it up but what's a good goal pace to hit when doing 8 rounds of 400m repeats? Trying to go for an under 13:00 2 mile. I did them for the first time last night and hit under 1:37 every time but I don't know how well that will translate to when I actually do my two mile this weekend.

I think you should try running the two miles first before figuring out sprint times.

You're doing very well my guy. At my peak I was 165lb and completing 400m in 1:30. My 2mi was 13:00 if I really sprinted the whole way. If you're young that's enough to max (or nearly max) the Army standard. Standards are lower for AF and Navy, and about the same for Marines except they run a 5K.

Oh sorry let me clarify. I've already been doing the two mile assessment every week. I can actually run out to 7 miles now so at this point I'm focusing more on speed than distance.

Army is the only branch that allows residents to enlist right? Was looking through navy careers and all of them require citizenship

Anything that requires is a clearance is blocked off to non-citizens. Anything that doesn't require a clearance is usually fair game.

How do you get started putting together references and knowing they won't say stupid shit about you?

It doesn't matter what they say about you, unless you're smoking meth and crack rocks with them or something. Use your best references. People you know, as indicated on the form your recruiter gives you. If you have a mostly-clean record and unless you're going for a clearance job you should be pretty good.

Don't they only use the references to see if you lived somewhere?

Can't say, I was never USAREC. My understanding was yes they do confirm your location but also ask character questions and compare to the results from their background investigation (police reports, etc).

Keep in mind I went in in 2008 when the Army was desperate for bodies, their standards might be higher now but I doubt it. I suspect they're looking for anyone who can pass height/weight.

how'd you manage that? mreens are notorious for being stingy with pretty loot.

I imagine what people have to say about me sounds worse than my squeaky clean background.

For school and residential references, they can literally all be the same person as long as they knew you when you lived or attended there. For work, it says you have to put supervisor, but if you "dont know" their information you can put a friendly coworker down. For the 3 character references, they HAVE to be people you know well, not family members, that can verify youre not a complete shithead.

>squeaky clean
Don't worry about it then. Seriously. I was a NEET before I got in, with barely any references. As long as you're not smoking crack rocks or stealing cars and the references bear this out you should be fine.

Is that clearance dude here? Visiting China is a no-go for obvious reasons, but what about Taiwan? Or should I just do whatever travelling I want while I'm in?

I'd wait until you're in and take leave. Your command team may not allow you some places, but typically their decision will be influenced by the State Dept's advisories and their own whim. Taiwan should be fine, just don't get anyone pregnant.

am weeb how do I get Zama

Demand it in your contract. Don't sign unless you get it.

Plot twist: you will be screwed out of it in BCT because you are a weeb and can't adjust to military life and UCMJ actions during BCT invalidate whatever contract you had and revert it to needs of the army.

Solution: get an intel job, do your very best, then re-enlist for Zama. if you are very lucky, there will be slots open.

>6-8 years worth of good boy award
>1 arcom, 1 jsa
>no campaign medal, just gwot
>ncopd 1, meaning e5
Whoever is wearing that rack is either super spoopy or is chasing points real hard in a back office somewhere.

Ya, depends on whwre you are in the process. If you already filled out your packet, dont go. If you didnt, go ahead. If you do go, make sure to keep record of the places you stayed. Also, ya, you can just travel once youre in, not too big of a deal just notify your security office at least 2 months before you go, they will have you fill out shit that makes DoD responsible for saving your ass if you get kidnapped. For years most offices were just like fuck it and go. So if anyone got kidnapped then its your own fault and state dept has to handle shit. Shitty right?

Dude doesnt even have any achievment medals or anything. Must have been cruising.

Like I said, >inb4 pog. I was strategic intelligence at joint service stations. Never deployed or got that sweet deployment money. The MOS is small, and I guess the Army couldn't spare us or they decided to send 35N instead. I was promoted to Sergeant in three years, and it just happened that points were maxed for my MOS the last four goddamn years of my time in. Lack of promotion is part of why I got out. Yes I mad.

>he thinks awards reflect service

Already signing intel. In all seriousness, is Zama highly in demand/mostly re-enlistees, or are there a decent number of lower enlisted slots?

Medal inflation is a serious thing across all branches due to gwot. I was an ok infantryman and this is what my rack looked like when I got out. 4 arcoms for simply being competent.

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It is in demand, and there are not a lot of slots. I can't speak for the mission there, but I handled some of their deployment guys. It's a small unit, and afaik new guys don't go there but there has to be some number of privates and specialists to do all the shit work. It's a company at most, and I'm pretty sure they share their office space with Air Force.

Again, if it's what you want, get it in writing. Otherwise do your best at AIT and hope your PltSgt smiles upon you with orders to Hawaii or something, then re-enlist for Zama.

I feel ya dude. The number of awesome support nerds that were e5 when I was a private and were still e5 when I pinned staff sergeant made me feel a little weird.
Semi-centralized promotions are weird.

jesus christ. I'm OP. That's ridiculous. I got two end of tour awards for seven years of service. One ARCOM. Gave volunteer time but never put in the paperwork for the award. Did a lot of shit details to stand out and excelled at work but never got an AAM. It's really just who's platoon sergeant's favorite and who happens to catch the CSM's eye while he's walking around, I think.

I... i'm not mad...

>send a 35n instead
I'm signing as one, what do you mean? Are there lots of deployment opportunities? Spooky high speed stuff?

That is exactly what I mean. And LOTS of 35N were being promoted around 2010-2013. The MOS is probably top-heavy now unless a lot of those shitbags have left the service.

Well when you got a stack like that....where its just auto awarded stuff.

Remember my branch dude. Being able to read, write, speak articulately, pt well, and lead men effectively puts one on the fast track. I made e6 in 4 years. I got out because I got a sequence number for e7 and drill sergeant orders on the same day, and I realized my trigger time was up. No way in hell did I want to be a senior drill at 28 then fly a desk for the next 13 years until I could retire.

Reason they were promoted during that timeframe is because 35W ceased to exist. 35w was for 35p/n like 11x is to 11b/c.

I got pretty lucky with the units I was assigned to and the timing. I went on my first deployment to Afghanistan, got the typical awards + combat action ribbon. When we got back from my first deployment I got sent to a new unit a month before the Haiti earthquake happened in 2010 and we got sent there for humanitarian relief and got the humanitarian medal and a unit citation, then we deployed on a MEU and left the ship to deploy into Afghan (deploying off a ship into a combat zone is a ribbon goldmine scenario) which got us a few more rare awards like the GWOT-expeditionary and another unit citation. The GWOT, the Nat defense, and the good conduct are basically freebies.

A few months before I EASd my base command changed the Friday uniform from utilities to Service Charlies. It was funny as fuck walking around the base as an e-3 with 11 ribbons. So many jealous stares from POG e-6s with half the amount of ribbons I had. A few even stopped me to ask if I had been busted down from a higher rank. They couldn't believe it when I told them that i hadn't and that it was just impossible to pick up rank in the grunts lol.

lel, cool story user. Thanks for your benis.

I dunno man. I sometimes regret getting out, but I've got better things to do now. Honestly this thread has revived a little bit of the old bitterness towards the total shit unit I was at when I EAS'd. Tryna get into that religious life now, maybe become a military chaplain later. I still love the service, it does good work. Buddies of mine joined at 18 and retired at 38. That's a mindfuck though, and no point thinking about what can't be changed.

Was not aware of this. I figured their promotion rates had something to do with HRC fucking around somewhere else. Most of the 35N I knew were shitbags, makes me mad desu. Sierras are mostly autistic eggheads, but they take the job seriously.

Noice. I etsd as an e4 35p with 5 years TIS with 4 ribbons, gwot, ndsm, rainbow, and good conduct. I wasnt even shit bagging or cruising. Just never went anywhere.

Are there opportunities for N's to go to MFF? I figured it was 100% desk work, but that is something I'd like to do.

Any advice on whether I go 35L or try to be an intel officer?
t. unemployed poli sci major

Which plane did your dad fly?

>MFF
No idea what that is. And I've been out a couple years. 35Ns are probably the most versatile of the intel branch though. There's lots of them, and seniors consider them more 'tactical' than brainier, technical-knowledge based MOS like Quebecs or Sierras.

Military Free Fall at Yuma Proving Grounds

How old are you? Male or female? How many pushups can you do? How fast can you run a mile? How badly do you want to be in the military? What do you want to do after?

If you're young and an aggressive A-type personality, and can deal with having your boss ALL THE WAY up inside your asshole, I'd say definitely go officer.

>SPACE FORCE
Just kidding. No clue my guy. Sounds like something for Special (space) Forces. Generally speaking intel enlisted do not do cool shit or get tactical school unless it is in their contract.

That is, HALO, HAHO, and night operations with and without gear.

>38318589
is it true you get your TS clearance before boot?

Right on, I guess I'll try to be as high speed as possible, and if I get picked up for whatever it's cool, if not I'll be chilling at a spoopy sigint base.

He spent his first few years as a T-37 instructor but did most of his career in KC-10 tankers.

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Of my intel friends who have gone on to do cool shit like you're talking about, this was the strategy they used. Motivated to do hard shit, trained for it, got it. Went downrange.

No. It depends on your service and how backed up the process is, but typically you'll have an interview during BCT. In my case (Army), a lot of us had interim clearances, the regular Secret clearance 11B get, until our TS was complete. Your TS investigation should be complete before you get to your first duty station. It takes months.

Thanks man, I'll keep it in mind

Anyone have any youtube kinos to watch about what life's like in the military? I'd like a better picture of what it's like before enlisting.

youtu.be/SX5OMhwTqAI

>when you're in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean but still need your starcraft fix

>maybe become a military chaplain later.
Do it. The army needs more Jow Forums related chaplains rather than some of the stuffed shirts we've gotten over the years.
My favorite one was fucking 55 and did a spur ride with us. Motherfucker led us in a chorus of "amazing grace" while flipping a Stryker tire up a muddy hill.

Fucking BADASS. This is the goal. The military gives you great friends, but it can also be really lonely and some of the shit you deal with on the job or out in the world on your own time demands telling someone and leaning on them a bit. And of course being that kind of character and leader for younger troops, ministering to them when they need it, that shit changes lives and does real good.

>NEET
This is my problem and I want a job that requires a clearance.

Do you smoke crack rocks? Do you steal cars?

Military freefall? Fuck no. Literally only sf and select rangers go. And riggers, obviously.

Depends, do you want to automatically become a counter intel special agent, or ride a desk forever as a manager? There are ZERO special agent officers, even for cid. All the *commanders* are warrants. Also there is no picking a job for officers, its wishlist type shit, you might not even get intel if you go. Fyi 35L get special pay plus clothing pay.also the perks make it completely different than normal enlisted BS.

For classified stuff you miss out on a lot of recognition for most of your work

Not entirely true, i had my ts granted a month before i shipped. The whole investigation and clearance granted was 1 month total.

Not even bro. Ive been awarded two AAM for work that was designated classified, they just filled in the boxes with shit like provided excellent technical expertise, 100% acceptance rate of requests etc type bullshit to award me. This was intel related stuff not door kicking bullshit. It honestky depends on your leadership. If they want to give you an award they will.

Back when i was a friendless neet i used my parents friends as references.

Achievement medals are pretty much all you can get depending on pog levels

Shit the military says
Mbest11x stuff is funny

Look up the show Enlisted. It was legit my life on my final year.

Right. But they are at least some kind recognition for hard work.

you some lucky fucks i will never get in cuz of some medical history but if i could i would go for
USMC or army rangers