Let's ignore the forced Ian memes for now and focus on how this is the coolest gun I have ever seen...

Calm down, Ian

made by a Greek bull :)

I'm getting more of a Karl vibe. Something about that post just SCREAMS "insufferable faggot".

While it's true that it's not exactly obscure, there's no need to be a raging autist about it.

This is one of the coolest things I've ever seen on here

Well, as somebody who knew about this thing years ago, before I even knew about forgotten weapons, you might have a point, but in all fairness, who wouldn't have an autistic obsession with south african guns and gear?

It's inertia based you uncultured swine.

>"Well, all things considered, this is quite the nifty system for removing the Boer"
>*winks at the camera*
What did Ian mean by this?

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>it works for both Boer and boar

is Karl losing weight?

>genuine desire for knowledge
Guaranteed nogunz who spends all day watching Youtube videos and reading Wikipedia articles about obscure guns but doesn't shoot.

>tfw you learned about the gun from watching Linkin Park - Dead Frontier EXP grinding videos

I am educated on this gun

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I should have just spent all the money I had hoarded as a neet and shot myself instead of all the time I wasted on that game.

It's got to be the most cyberpunk gun in existence. Not only that, but it's legitimately well-designed which is surprising considering it's designed by some nog.

Looks tailor made for stopping hajis driving trucks at your embassy.

Post guns, autist

You can do it all over again when AdminPwn makes Dead Frontier 2 on the Unity engine, alpha is coming this summer!
I blew way too much money on this fucking game though

>How the fuck have I not seen this before?
its been discussed on Jow Forums lots of times, usually in the "what is a good home defense weapon?" posted as a meme,

youtube.com/watch?v=eu87AxzBf3Y

The heart and soul of the PAW-20 system is undoubtedly its collection of 20x42mm point-detonating projectiles (these developed by the Denel PMP division). There are four different basic types of cartridges available and these include HEI (High-Explosive, Incendiary), SAPHE (Semi-Armor Piercing, High-Explosive), APC (Armor-Piercing, Capped) and Practice (PRAC) rounds. Each bears a distinct design and finish color to visually distinguish them from one another. The HEI projectile features a brass-colored snub-nose cap with a yellow body containing a red band. The SAPHEI is similar though completed with a more conical nose cap that sports a black finish. The APG round is all-black with a decidedly pointed tip.

The 20mm shell has proven to cut clean through wood and steel surfaces with relative ease, broadening the tactical applications of the weapon significantly. This allows the PAW-20 operator the capability to counter threats posed from entrenched enemy infantry, "technicals" and lightly-armored vehicles. Denel markets the use of these 20mm grenades as a sound choice over that of the more popular 40mm types. The 20mm flies along a straighter trajectory with increased accuracy at range and weighs a fraction of the 40mm - three 20mm projectiles can be carried for each 40mm type. Reloading is also quickened by the use of a smaller cartridge (particularly when set in magazine form) while ranges are further increased. With that said, 40mm grenade launchers are typically fielded as secondary weapons alongside primary assault weapons such as the M16 rifle. The PAW-20, however, is regarded as a standalone weapon intended to be the primary option for a dedicated infantryman trained in its use.

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I have no need for this nor am I ever likely to be in any kind of situation where I might find it useful but I want this gun and I want to carry it everywhere I go.

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fucking dead frontier never got any good loot

Fuck you right handed faggot shits and your fancy 'no lefties allowed' guns.

the kurds use it for counter terror operations... i have no more information beyond that

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>nor am I ever likely to be in any kind of situation where I might find it useful
Skinwalkers can strike at any moment.

>coolest gun ever made
>he can't shoot it because his parents were dirty communist sympathizers
justice

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Ian said it's good for stopping Armored Suicide Car bombers, makes sense for where the company that currently makes the gun is

South Africa

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Not in slavland they don't. All we've got in this neck of the woods are vatniks.

Those pirates are hooked up on all kinds of drugs, it's .50 African Eliminator or 20mm hand-held cannon

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You're not shooting sub-MOA with the thing. Does being left-handed mean you're completely incapable of using your right hand?

>The Inkunzi (meaning Bull) is a semi-automatic weapon that fires bursting ammunition and can be comfortably fired by a single rifleman as an area weapon to a range of up to 1 000 metres, although effective range is up to 400 metres. It holds up to five rounds in a conventional box magazine. The entire barrel/bolt group recoils within its housing to decrease recoil.

>Petje said that he expects niche production orders and that mass production would be another thing, but that PMP is willing to collaborate with certain countries to produce it elsewhere. He said that one of the hindrances to mass production is that since it is such a new weapon, military doctrine will have to adjust for it.

who wants to start a fund to domestically produce this gun?

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fugg the website for the manufacturer is down, I wanted to ask how much for one of these

I buy/build my guns in left handed or ambidextrous configurations as much as possible. The worst one I have is a PSL with the scope offset to the left side of the gun.

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>How the fuck have I not seen this before?
You haven't watched District 9?

Its the Gun that the bald merc guy used to damage the Mech.

Nobody cares about dedicated 20mm grenade launchers. The fact that it's South African signed its death warrant.

According to some defense publications, the Russians at least took an interest to it at one point

IIRC the point detonating + magazine feed = this thing is a double feed away from the operator being ded

I really enjoy the little things about the design, like the tiny change they made just in front of the mag to avoid the changing recoil CoM interfering with accuracy

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>Nobody cares about dedicated 20mm grenade launchers
The Chinese are all about their own 35mm grenade launchers, they actually use them as a replacement for a belt-fed machine gun in PLA squads. Those same Chinese launchers have had a fair amount of export success, including with several African countries. Obviously 35mm is bigger than 20mm, but there is definitely a market for this kind of thing, and the PAW has an advantage in being lighter and handier.

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Aren’t Mk 20 Mod 0s just as dangerous? I mean think about comparing it to a belt fed grenade launcher.

I bet you're fun at parties

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belt fed grenade launchers are actually safe, the round takes a certain amount of metres to actuate the firing section, so it wont go off if one slams into another. if the design explanation on the neopup is correct, hitting the front of the round with a hammer will cause it to go off

40mm for comparison
>M433) High-Explosive. Dual Purpose Round. The HEDP round has an olive drab aluminum skirt with a steel cup attached, white markings, and a gold ogive (head of the round). It penetrates at least 5 cm (2 inches) when fired straight at steel armor at 150 meters or less, or, at a point target, it arms between 14 and 27 meters, causes casualties within a 130-meter radius, and has a kill radius of 5 meters.[8]

>20mm AP ammo
this thing is the ultimate glow in the dark killer

why not HEFI? Kills CIA niggers dead

The Chinese do this with 35mm and 15 rounds per drum

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If you watch the vid he says it requires proprietary grenades and requires a laser designation to shoot

Yeah, but that thing looks dorky as shit.
The Neopup NAILED aesthetics.

IMPRESSIVE

He said Boer? what time?

Why do the Chinese insist on putting that wonky fucking carry handle shape on every gun ever.

Both of those were referring to the XM25. Pay more attention.

No, he said another competing design requires those. This one is point-and-shoot, super simple. The warheads on the grenades are standard and readily available, it's just the cartridge that's proprietary (moar powder for higher velocity).

because they need 2 people to carry it

>requires a laser designation to shoot
it does not, its like a mini PRG with no safety, it shoots, it impacts, it explodes, which is why its a supposedly very unsafe gun (if the round double feeds, the round will possibly explode on the back of the round in front of it)

>if the round double feeds, the round will possibly explode
You literally just got that from another post in this thread. If that were the case, the round would also detonate if you just dropped one.

He was talking about the XM25 in that part, the Neopup fires a more conventional non-programmed grenade.

It's worth noting that they also make a bolt-action "sniper rifle" and an automatic belt fed gun in this same caliber. I imagine a flatter-shooting grenade launcher might be pretty useful for mounting on a helicopter.

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thats exactly what it means, point detonating means it detonates if the tip of the round is subjected to enough impact force

unless it has an inertial fuse of some sort, than dropping it would cause it to go off

It's about a minute after Ian pulls out his personal copy of the Communist Manifesto and extols the benefits of socialism.

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>How the fuck have I not seen this before
Because you don't watch Jow Forumsino

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>it's just the cartridge that's proprietary (moar powder for higher velocity)
No, the cartridge is shorter, and contains less powder, than any standard 20mm cannon round. It also has less velocity than those 20mm cannon rounds.

It has high velocity compared to 40mm grenades..

Designer is white.

did you people even watch the video? Ian specifically mentions that the front of the magazine has to be made from a very thick metal so that the shells don't dent it due to the recoil, to me it is quite obvious that if they wont explode from an impact that dents steel they wont detonate from double feed either.

Like this thing? There are just better options now, which is why the US ditched the XM25 project. China being a decade behind the curve isn't suprising.

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Dude what the fuck are you on about? do you understand what terms such as "wearhead" and "cartridge" mean? Are you not good as English? What's your problem?

NO, what he is talking about is the firearms in his picture, are you illiterate?

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All modern fuzes have safe and arming mechanisms that don't allow this to happen. Since it's fired from a rifled barrel, I guarantee you that the fuze requires X amount if centripetal force to unlock the firing train to allow for detonation. You could hit the fuze with a hammer and expect it to not detonate.
>t. EOD-fag

I knew about it just because neopup paw-20 is the most hilariously furry name ever

>it detonates if the tip of the round is subjected to enough impact force
These projectiles have been in use since the 1950s, believe it or not the people who designed them had the good sense to make sure the amount of force required to detonate one actually involves hitting a target rather than just sneezing on the round.

The guy you're replying to specifically said that the cartridges are proprietary while the projectiles are old and readily available, which is entirely accurate.

here is a cross section of the round, it looks like the fuse is set deeper into the head of the projectile, so it won't explode by getting dropped

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Hahahahahaha, this post reminds me of a dweeb I met today. I was benchpressing 300 pounds today, and while I was only on my 27th rep, I saw this fat dork with glasses picking around the single-digit weight rack. This would not stand, not in my kingdom. I stroll up and say "Hey, buddy. You ain't gonna find any donuts in there". He looks at me and quivers in fear as his superior towers over him, he meekly replies "I-I'm t-trying to work ou-". Before he can finish, I give him a slight push that sends him flying to the floor. Crying, he ran out the gym doors as fast as his sock/sandal combo would allow him. The entire gym watching this, broke out in laughter. A bunch of babes offered to blow me in acknowledgment of my heroic deed, an offer I happily took. Let this be a lesson for you geek-boy if you even dare thinking of stepping into MY domain.

>All modern fuzes have safe and arming mechanisms that don't allow this to happen. Since it's fired from a rifled barrel, I guarantee you that the fuze requires X amount if centripetal force to unlock the firing train to allow for detonation.
it does not look like there is any safing system aside form the firing train being set deeper into the round (presumably so it will only initiate on a hard hit)

Yes, I definitely meant that thing and not the 35mm launcher in African use in the picture I used in my post about 35mm launchers in African use. Good looking out.

what's up with this pasta?
27 reps? for what reason?

>Now there is a new offering from South Africa; the Neopup P.A.W. (Personal Assault Weapon), also known as the PAW-20. This introduced its own 20x42 cartridge made by PMP – Denel Munitions. Originally rimless, this was in 2008 replaced by a belted version. The explanation for this is that chamber location was originally provided by a pin protruding through the chamber wall which locked into the extractor groove. While this worked for steel-cased ammo, Neopup intends to develop plastic-cased less-lethal ammo, and the plastic cases were not strong enough for this, so the belt now locates the round.

>The cartridge is something of a hybrid, because it fires normal 20mm HEI cannon projectiles, but from a very small case to keep the velocity down. It is a direct-fire weapon, with (so far) no plans for the complex airburst fuzing technology used in the XM25. The principal advantage of the ammunition is that its higher muzzle velocity of 305 m/s and more aerodynamic projectiles permit a much flatter trajectory and shorter flight time than the usual 40mm LV round. At a range of 300 metres, for instance, the 20x42 projectile takes 1.07 seconds to reach the target, with a mid-range vertex (maximum trajectory height) of 1.4 metres. Comparable figures for the 40mm LV (76 m/s muzzle velocity) are 4.66 seconds and 26 metres. The new 40mm MV rounds (around 100-120 m/s) will approximately halve the LV's figures, but it will still be far more difficult to hit a point target with the 40mm shoulder-fired weapons. This ballistic performance gives the PAW-20 an effective range against point targets of 600m, with suppressive fire up to 800m and fire against area targets at up to 1,000m. Obviously, a laser rangefinder built into the sights would greatly enhance the first-round accuracy at long range.

I understand those terms. I also understand that it's a proprietary cartridge with LESS powder for LOWER velocity, pic related: quarryhs.co.uk/PAW.htm

Yeah, except he said the cartridge was proprietary with MORE POWDER for HIGHER VELOCITY. Which is exactly backwards on both accounts.

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>Neophytou
now that I see it spelled out I can see the guy's some sort of middle eastern "Greek", but at first it sounded like some bantu name. I was quite surprised that a nigger would've had an idea this cool and turns out I was right to be so.

Ian mentions the neopup being related to the German MG 151 but doesn't really explain why. I know both Rhodies and Saffas used suprlus 151s to blast terrs and commies to great effect, so there's that.

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For comparison, look at the full-size 20mm cartridges in this picture. Even the tiny straight-walled ones have about twice the powder space.

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probably the recoil operation

God that movie was so cringy the whole fucking time. What were they thinking?

It's almost like I know what I'm talking about. What you're looking for is the rotor assembly, which is held in place by a detent which is freed upon sufficient centrifugal (centripetal) force, at which point the firing train is aligned allowing detonation. All that shit is inside the brass portion of your picture.

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>Originally rimless, this was in 2008 replaced by a belted version
I wonder if an M203-esque single shot underbarrel launcher in this cartridge would be viable. Obviously the knee-jerk reaction to that is "why would you want a weaker 40mm?", but I think the extra range and the ability to carry more grenades would make it at least worth considering.

>he didn't like chappie
you're probably a faggot dude

The XM25 was put on hold purely for bureaucratic reasons and despite the wishes of the Army. China is ahead of the curve on this, which is something a lot of people in the West are often unwilling to admit about anything. But this isn't a stealth fighter, the engineering involved is pretty simple, it's more an organizational thing than anything else. It's worth noting that the weapons in widespread Chinese use are not really comparable to the XM25, they're used as a squad-level replacement for medium machine guns, under the logic that a couple 35mm grenades will suppress somebody a lot more easily than some 7.62mm rounds will.

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>HE is better suppression than bullets
This is why the US Marines squads will now have 3 grenadiers, and everyone in the 13 man squads will have fully automatic weapons.
Too bad all those grenadiers have to lug around single shot 40mm grenade launchers, plus all the ammo for a full auto AR-15 platform

While much lower recoil impulse than 40mm HV, it's still about 70% more than 40mm LV. Should be doable, but you probably need the same sort of telescoping recoil management, which adds at least a couple inches of overall length (or decreases the barrel length that much).
And then there's the whole sighting issue -- while the increased velocity makes greater accuracy possible, the smaller payload makes that greater accuracy necessary, and I'm not sure it's practically realizable with the short sight radius of something like the M203 quadrant sight. A red dot or eotech shared with the rifle would be great, but it's not clear that an elevating mount like the neopup uses would have sufficient repeatabliity for use with the rifle.

>How the fuck have I not seen this before?
it was a forgotten weapon

As other anons have said, you just don't watch movies

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