Handgun General - /hg/ - #130

Vitalogy paper sleeve right between War & Peace and Americana. Only fits in sideways so the spine isn't visible.

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I'll concede to your full house digits, but the point wasn't which one was better, its a test, as the fact of the matter is if you were white and older than 16 in the 90's you liked at least one Pearl Jam song and have an album that you either bought, bootlegged, or a friend left at your place.
Also, Alice in Chains was the best mainstream rock/metal band of the era, no contest.

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Fair enough
>filename
I tried not being 12, the music was shit so I stayed

Back on to handguns, seriously considering pic related because i shot a high end 1911 once and I also need a 9mm.
Think it'll fill both of those wants nicely.
Any reason not to?

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I need it for the
D E E P C O N C E A L M E N T

Those Wilson edc's are nice but way too much money

Try shooting one, recoil is fucking non existent, size is perfectly slim but with enoughroom for a full hand, grip safety, it's internally hammer fired so the trigger is surprisingly good...

The gun is a modern polymer iteration of the Colt 1908 and that is FUCKING COOL

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Is their a negative difference in performance between a 3.5 inch 9mm pistol, and a 4.0 inch?

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I already have plenty of "reasonably priced" handguns.
Shot a semi custom (Nighthawk) 1911 and now I'm looking for something on that level.
However i am wanting to get a double stack 9mm and something smaller that I can carry a bit easier than my full size 1911.
Thus like I said, the EDC X9 fills both those, but I understand, some folks simply will never want to play more than 1000 dollars for a handgun and that's fine, I just simply got a taste of a luxury product and I want more.

On paper, yes, there will be a measurable decrease in velocity in a 0.5" shorter barrel, but the effect on target will be insignificant.
>The exception being the rare instance where your target is in a goldilocks zone where the 4" gired projectile is still at expansion velocity and the 3.5" is not

Here, this site is a fantastic resource
ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html

It's not that I wouldn't buy anything over $1k but it's that I'm not sure what it really offers over so many other guns out there. If you want something less common that is nice then it's hard to argue with that.

There's just nothing about it that really appeals to me. There are many other guns I can think of that I'd rather have for that amount of money (personally).

No worries man, I understand where you are coming from.

>burt has a bias against the discord edition
Also, a new shooting guide version is in the works, will post new link when it is available.

wrong

Neat gun for a niche purpose.

Dubs confirm for truth. I need a copy of Core on vinyl.

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Going to look at a HK45C today, anything to worry about?

How would I go about putting a rds on a sig p226?

Going home with it...

Hk45c is a good gun, if you like it and it's a price you don't mind paying then get it.

So, I bought a M11-A1, and not even 300 rounds into it, I've got some of the finish wearing off down to the steel. Should I send it back? For reference, most of the wear is on the underside of the slide, where the breech of the barrel makes contact, and on the locking lug of barrel.

>Wilson edc
>almost 3k

absolutely fucking swerve.

No, it's a fuckin sweet gun.

beyond the yellow brick roooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaadddddd yheaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh ah ahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

If you are gonna have that philosophy then you are retarded for carrying anything more expensive than a hi point.
It's reliable
It holds enough rounds for the statistical majority of self defense encounters
Trigger is useable
Sights are useable
It's not even 200 bucks so you won't kill yourself if you have to use it.

nigger its a $3000 handgun, youre fuckin stupid for carrying it unless youve got scaranon money.

i like how when questioned you went from one extreme with a handgun worth 3k to autistic screeching about a $175 handgun.

how old are you? you sound like one of the little underlings on my shop floor.

Is 300 a good price for a sig p290? Thinking about getting one

dont. new sigs are shit.

380 or 9? And not sure why you would go that route over a shield or pps.

The point is to get tards to realize that their choice and their perspective isn't the only one that's out there by showing them that their logic is only based on perspectives and not absolutes.
Seems to me you want to reject my point through ad hominem however because you need the comfort of being convinced that your perspective is the only legitimate one because it will undermine the legitimacy of whatever 500 dollar handgun you purchased.
I own plenty of other handguns and I'm not a NEET so I can afford nice things.

Hornady expands consistently in .380 and pocket .380's are a lot smaller than "pocket' 9mms.

The EDC 9 doesnt undermine the legitimacy of anything.

lmfao well when the cops confiscate it for "evidence" and you get it back a year later covered in carbon and rust missing parts, dont come crying to us you carried a $3000 handgun because "look at me i can afford it"

kids nigger rich and wants to flex, kek

No you colossal retard, it's because there is diminishing return on guns. The edc9 offers nothing more than a $500 pistol would. You are paying for a brand name and nothing more. The funny thing is that the edc9 isn't even reliable. Luckygunner and a few other testers of firearms found it to be extremely picky with ammo and magazines and would f2f on average 2 times in 100 rounds.

I did it

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I need more options /hgg/

I want a metal frame, pref hammer fired 9mm. And I don't want a cz brand cz or Beretta.

I was looking at the Springfield p9 but I heard tanfoglios are cast not machined.

I was looking at Sphinx but kiss can't into full size.

Halp

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Old sigs. Buy nothing sig after like 2013 and you will be fine

welcome to the /hg/ refined gentlemen club. see jennings at the front desk, he will escort you to the lounge and show you to the private smoke room and studies.

>walk in
>see 3 tripfags sucking each other off with their hk pistols up their asses
>360 and walk away

You missed the point entirely if all you got from that was me claiming that the edc x9 was undermining something, which it wasn't, try reading slower next time champ.
If I have to use it and my shoot is justified I'm going to be happy to be alive and not in prison, I'll also have 6 other handguns I can carry instead, it's just money you can't take it with you when you die.
Of course there are diminishing returns but you are acting like there's no difference at all and that's simply untrue.
Go shoot a semi custom 1911 and tell me there's no difference, but then again this is Jow Forums and you'll just lie rather than admit that your perspective isn't the holy word of Jehovah himself, also we're not discussing the edc9 we're talking about the edc x9 and if you don't know the difference you are hardly qualified to be making statements about it's reliability.

What size?

I found the trigger is heavy/sucks, so I am sending mine out to greyguns for work.

youre still here though.

what did you think a general was? no tripfags allowed?! hahahahaha

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Reposting my question from QTDDTOT

I got a star super, dunno if A or B or what exact model yet, on the way.
It's got a decent bit of rust and has either a damaged or misassembled slide stop and a damaged/misassembled/missing piece for the safety lever. Otherwise it is functional and it fires.
Should I refinished it? Or just knock off the rust and leave it?
Obviously I'd get it functional. Just dunno what to do with the rust.
Haven't received the pistola yet so can't take pictures.

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Ya dun good son

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Very nice. Tell us how it handles. HK thread now

I have an Ed brown and a Ria tac 1911. The ed brown is tighter but there is no difference in function/accuracy/reliability. My ed brown is pickier about ammo too because it's hand fit and doesn't like anything hotter than 200 grain .45. You've got to be the most pretentious autist in /hg/. Not even the trips here defend shitty guns as hard as you are defending the $3,000 turd. If you want a GOOD wilson combat 9mm, get their beretta compact carry package.

No, we can't have an HK thread.
user has decreed that any pistol costing more than 500 American Dollars™ is completely pointless and anyone who spends more is to be cast into the boiling pits of sewage that is the domain of Satan.

It was a joke. I guess you couldn't tell because you have a tripfag's cock down your throat. Seriously, the only thing worse than a tripfag is someone who thinks tripfags are some higher class poster.

>it's just money you can't take it with you when you die.
>nigger rich kid
you must be single and without children. how nice it must be to be young and dumb.

go on kid buy it, if youre so sure of yourself stop arguing with us and buy it.

where did i say any of that?
this went from hk posting to "reeeeeeeeee i hate trips reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

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People forget to consider economy of scale. A $3,000 boutique hand made gun isn't 6x better than a $500 mass produced gun. They sell 100x more of the $500 guns so they can offer more gun per $ than a low production specialty gun.

Full

That's too bad for him

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Hk pistols are worth more because they last a lot longer than $500 pistols. How about you don't resort to strawmanning the people calling you out for being retarded. The edc x9 doesn't
>give you better accuracy
>give you more reliability. It's the opposite because it only will feed certain ammo because of tight tolerances.
>aftermarket for it is non existent besides wilson combat

hes super ass blasted i called him on his shit.

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You got btfo You couldn't even muster a reply. Pathetic

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Check out Sigs, including their 1911's. Hi-Powers never go out of style, cz-82. Arex Rex zero seems to be pretty good cheaper sig, Maybe look at a lionheart Lh9, but I don't think anyone on here actually owns one.

If your Ed Brown doesn't work you need to send it back, that's just sad, but also why I wouldn't buy one, too many people have problems with them and for the price that's absolutely not ok.
Considering it doesn't work correctly it's not worth asking you to do this, but many of the semi custom builders have accuracy guarantees.
So, unless you've got some footage of you putting your RIA and Ed Brown in a Ransom rest using the same ammo shooting a 10 shot group at the same distance each I'm calling bullshit on that one.
The reality is that you probably aren't good enough of a shooter yet to see the difference, which is most shooters anyways, as it is though I have seen my groups and speed improve when I used a Nighthawk versus my stock Colt, most likely because it has a fantastic trigger and good sights to start with, also my buddy noticed remarkable improvement in the same versus his usual groupings with his Taurus 1911 and his USP.
That is my experience you can take it or leave it.
Also I detest decockers so I will pretty much never own a Beretta.
I was asking because some folks here do get around and do actually get hands on with a wide variety of firearms.
Instead of points regarding things like stoppages, parts breakage, grip feel etc etc I got lectured by a bunch of amateur economists.
And yes I am relatively young with no dependents, are you going to go on a full Jow Forums lecture now because I'm not making white mutts to keep up with the brown people?

>Cast not machined
Literally who cares, this is irrelevant

Welcome to HK

>Shilling HK this hard
In the unlikely scenario you actually shoot enough to destroy a Glock, they basically always just warranty it for free or offer you a big discount for replacement parts like slides

It's a 9. I guess I won't get it. Just thought it was a good deal

I simply don't want to pay that much for engineering. Hudson brought a 100% novel design to market for less than $1,000. $3,500 is way too much for that thing, can you even imagine losing it in a public bathroom, having it confiscated or the ultimate heartbreaker, dropping it on the street?

Fuck that.

For $3,500 you could get a super nice custom Ed Brown or Les Baer AND get another super nice 9mm you won't be emotionally devastated by losing or dropping.

I just read the rest of the thread. jfc what am I replying to.

What the hecc, no finger grooves? Is that one of the First Ones? Or does the Compact just lack them?

The top of the barrel should already be uncoated for that reason. Normal imo, but post pics anyway, it's an image board after all.

Sig P226/229, some manner of Hi Power, Sphinx, Beretta 92 series, Hudson H9 (lol), and imo the neatest option if used is tolerable, some form of Smith & Wesson 2nd or 3rd generation like a 659 or 5905 or 5926.

Also don't listen to this guy I'd just take the rust off for now with some 0000 steel wool and gun oil and see how it looks. I just found some rust on my High Standard last night, dagnabbit, but it came off easily with 0000 and Hoppe's #9.

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>$3500
Idk where you all are getting these prices from. I'm not the guy wanting one of these but the actual buying price is $2895 so arguing this versus a semi custom/custom 1911 doesn't make that much sense.
shootersconnectionstore.com/Wilson-Combat-EDC-X9-Pre-Order-P4569.aspx

If he has the money then who cares. Would I get one? No, because this is a carry oriented gun and carry stuff gets beat up and worn down as you use it so I'd instead take a Glock, HK VP9, CZ p07/p10c, Walther PPQ, etc for basically the same functionality (reliable, good quality compact double stack 9mm) at a price point where I don't care about wear.

You know I really don't mind or care that no one else would buy because of the cost, I have an hk among my humble collection and have heard all this ad nauseum, but really it does get tiresome as fuck that you can't ask about an expensive gun around here and get anything more than knee jerk reactions about said cost.
Maybe we should just rename the board to "Jow Forums - Glocks and AR15s"

I would like this for my mom if it wasn't for the grip safety.

Completely dropped the ball at the end and had multiple failures to go into battery because my cheap ass keeps buying dirty remingshit ammo but at least I'm somewhat improving.

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I'm considering a police surplus Glock 22 or M&P40/45 for my first pistola. I've found a couple in the $290-375 range. Good move for a first handgun? Should I go
40 or 45?

Because carrying a fucking $3,000 pistol as your edc is fucking retarded? What did you expect, that we would all tell you it's a fantastic idea? If you want to discuss the pistol, discuss it. But don't ask for our opinions on getting it as your carry gun unless you want to be called retarded.

9mm

There's nothing really wrong with those, copsurp is a great way to get gud gats cheap. I'd give a few warnings though. 1: Copsurp tends to be well worn but mechanically excellent. Fucking swine don't shoot their guns much but they're worn and banged around constantly. 2: Glocks are a love-or-hate thing. Go actually feel one in a gun shop before you but a copsurp 22 online, you may find the ergonomics intolerable. 3: The old M&Ps are solid but have a number of drawbacks compared to the new ones, particularly the slippery grip texture and very poor trigger reset. 4: While there's nothing wrong with either .40 or .45, there's nothing particularly right with them either. You're sacrificing capacity for negligible ballistic improvement.

But the reason copsurp is so cheap is because departments are dumping .40 to go back to 9mm. So you get what you get.

You might also consider one of the Italian copsurp Beretta 92Ss, they're well made and handle excellently but have a heel release and clips to fit can be hard to find. I've seen them as cheap as $240.

And finally, one more suggestion, check out some of the S&W metal frame autos on gunbroker, like 5904s and 915s. There are tons of cop/milsurp ones for $300 or less, some of them in quite good condition. They won't come with more than 1 clip but they're cheap and well built.

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The 45C had the P2K style grip. That also has a talon grip or similar on it

Dual illuminated RMR or RM06 for Glock 20? Will sleep on bedside but is intended for inna mountains

That's just, like, your opinion man.

don't you fucking diss on S.C.I.E.N.C.E. you whore

Nice, you shot it yet?
I like how their fde looks more like a bronze color.
Have been considering adding one of these to my collection.

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Oh nice dubs.

That's a tough call.

The dual illum is always on, always the correct brightness at all hours. But RM06 has clearer glass and lets you boost or dim the light if needed. But if you wanted a powered reticle then there are even clearer (and cheaper) options than RM06 imo, like Deltapoint or Shield.

I really like dual illum for defense, I think that's the RMR's strong suit. because of the flickering and green windows, the powered ones are meh compared to the competition unless you specifically need a very short main body. In which case the Shield RMS is shorter if not as robust.

Burris (Fastfire) has an unconditional lifetime warranty too, Trijicon does not. Food for thought.

Hey I own it right?

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Have shot it quite a bit. Sold my hk 45c after shooting it so much, that I didn’t want to shoot the hk anymore. It’s heavier, which helps tremendously with accuracy and follow up shots. Exponentially better than the p226.

How's the reliability?
Have you used several different bullet weights in it?
My apologies for being so inquisitive, I really dig these guns and I'm trying to warm up my cold feet to them.
Not had the best of luck dealing with customer service and imported handguns.

That was a SMART MOVE, bitch. Fuckin love my 45CT, most fun gun to shoot I've ever owned. Put 1600rd through it so far. Just clamp down on that fucker & go to town, it's very shootable.

Pic related is 2 magazines at 10yd as fast as I could pull the trigger. The head is a 6" circle.

I recommend that you give it some time trying cocked & locked. The DA trigger ain't great (serviceable though), and my first-shot times & accuracy got much better with Cond1 carry.

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What is the current beloved wonder 9mm that isn't a Glock? I am just curious what current opinions on the VP9, P10c, PPQ, etc are

As much as I love cocked and locked carry I want you to make sure you practice your draw with deactivating that lever as one motion.
Make it so that drawing a gun equals safety comes off.
I'm sure you are already doing that though seeing as you obviously get range time.
Good shooting.
>pic semi related
I really want a Beretta that I can carry cocked and locked.

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That new fangled automatic from Belgium is supposed to be a real hum dinger.
It's called the P-35 or something of the sort.

>cocked and locked 92

my fukken dick

Good on you for practicing, all the same.

Not him, but I like the P290 because it's double action. To me, trigger doesn't matter so much because it would be a backup/belly gun. The striker guns triggers are too light, if there was a J-frame the size of a P290 or P938 I'd totally carry that.

Always thought USP + X300U looked like it was playing the trumpet.

It's literally designed for women. S&W even advertises the mags are EZ load too.

P99

Pocket .380s are smaller than pocket 9s typically, and they definitely dont have the same recoil in a truly tiny firearm IME.
>If you are gonna have that philosophy then you are retarded for carrying anything more expensive than a hi point.
Except the gains a g19 or comparable firearm for instance offers over a hipoint c9 are pretty fucking massive in terms of capacity, shootability, ergonomics, aftermarket support, and weight/size efficiency at the low increase of 300 some odd bucks. OTOH the EDC 9 offers minimal if any appreciable benefit, other than perhaps shootability for some, while costing literally 2500$ more than the common compact polymer wonder nine. If you think that's a fair comparison then you're either a moron or just arguing in bad faith. You do you and all that but no need to start shoveling shit and calling it brown gold.
Nice, seriously been looking at those since the price went down. Just about the epitome of a .45 for CCW right now IMO.
06, dual illumination is meh at best.
>the powered ones are meh compared to the competition unless you specifically need a very short main body. In which case the Shield RMS is shorter if not as robust.
There's a pretty big gap in robustness there though desu. RMRs tend to take drops and usage as a slide manipulator with ease, OTOH delta points will break with the former and shields can get damage by either. YMMV, but as a serious use optic the extra 100 or so bucks is definitely worth it. The extra window size of the deltapoint is neat though, shame the adjustment method is dildos.

M&P 2.0 is the best bang-for-buck gun.
P10C is literally a hipster Glock 19. It even fits perfectly into G19 holsters. It also has trigger problems that CZ's still fixing.
Beretta APX / FN 509: Literally who?
VP9 and PPQ have better triggers due to the full-charged striker. Not sure if it's worth $200 more than the competition.

Burt I want to mount a rds on my Mark IV. What mounting plate is in the OP picture and is it junk? I don't want to remove the rear sight. Thanks