70% of stealth comes from an object's geometry deflecting radar waves away

>70% of stealth comes from an object's geometry deflecting radar waves away
>station multiple receivers scattered over an area linked to the emitter

There, I've just made stealth obsolete. You're welcome, China.

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A reminder: 02 is a klaxosaur, not an oni

The fuck is a kekosaur?

The original inhabitants of Earth.

dumb franxxfag

Eliminate the emitter, eliminate the radar. We had been doing that for over 50 years, and it will only get easier.

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>station multiple receivers scattered over an area linked to the emitter
>Single SAS group cut the single cable in the middle of the desert
>Network is down

>not seeing the direct connection between original Hell and klaxosaurs as demons or devils.
With so many obvious references and influences I was sure that this was at least the most obvious one.

>Not using quantum radar so stealth becomes obsolete

China is more impressive than you think

>X can do Y so Z is useless
SAS being able to penetrate a hundred clicks into hostile territory is under physical security

>What are multiple emitters
>What are mobile emitters
>What is switching stuff off and on again
Good luck.
Yeah right.

The simple fact is that the US is putting a hell of a lot of eggs into the basket that is stealth... and wether or not new technology will render that entire useless is still out there.

Sounds like Evangelion's reasoning...

>What are multiple emitters
HARMs
>What are mobile emitters
SDB II, LGBs, AARGMs
>What is switching stuff off and on again
SDB II, AARGMs

>The simple fact is that the US is putting a hell of a lot of eggs into the basket that is stealth
no it's not, stealth tech has matured (on the US side at least) to the point that stealth coatings are just a thing that you create at the factory and bolt to aircraft. all of that climate controlled hanger and expensive toxic RAM reapplication shit disappeared years ago.

>and wether or not new technology will render that entire useless is still out there.
that's like talking about troop camouflague becoming redundant in the face of new sensor technology. yeah, sure it will. but that won't console anybody when all of those sensor platforms are gone or in inefficient spots.

Please contain your fucking cancer, /a/.

>HARMs and AARGMs
>turn off your radar and drive away or erect a metal barrier
>active seeker loses you and crashes

Also
>dropping bombs in SEAD

>active seeker loses you and crashes
friend, AARGM has GPS. and a datalink.

>dropping bombs in SEAD
yes, exactly. now you're getting it.

>GPS and data link
Static air defense missiles were phased out decades ago.

>dropping bombs in SEAD
But you have to be almost right on top of the AA system to drop a bomb on it

>Static air defense missiles were phased out decades ago.
do you not know what a datalink does?

>But you have to be almost right on top of the AA system to drop a bomb on it
that's an interesting way to say 50+ km out

>turn off your radar
>turns back on
>is getting jammed by a growler an f-35 with a stealthy jamming pod or a mald-j
>dies from sdb2 or jsow before he can burn through and break out of jamming

Reminder stealth shit is from the 40 - 60s
foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/never-seen-photos-of-boeings-1960s-stealth-jet-concept-1732308296
Heres a pic of whats essentially a reaper drone from the 60s

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>Stealthy jamming pod
Kek

yeah it's called the radar

they are also developing jammer for the low observabillity multimission pod

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>1940
>alphafoxtrot
brainlet

>Heres a pic of whats essentially a reaper drone from the 60s
so it's not stealthy at all and is powered by beefed up lawnmower engine

Dude if you look at the shapes of most stealth aircraft you can see that they have straight surfaces, think of the portion of radar that hits the airplane as a beam, in ordinary round aircrafts that beam gets diffused everywhere and sent back to the receiver for example, with stealth aircrafts that beam gets split up into only a few different beams and the chance of them hitting a receiver is extremely low.

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>Complaining about anime on an anime image board.
That's not daijobu senpai

I would appreciate if you would cease from associating Chinese art with your brainlet vatnik opinions

Volume radar don't use beams. And even targeting radar uses very wide beams, certainly enough to cover the whole plane. Just the flat underside of a stealth craft, if we assume it's 5m2, would return to the ground in a fuck huge area thanks to the inverse square law.

>He wants to expend a missile to kill an emitter
They're talking about using fucking cell phone radiation for that now. Trying to kill emitters is a battle of attrition you cannot possibly win.

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I'll give it to you that stealth is probably worth it if it's not too costly (sunk costs at this point anyway).
>won't console anybody when all of those sensor platforms are gone or in inefficient spots.
The point I'm trying to make is that one has to prepare for the possibility that these sensor systems are active and working, and your planes are suddenly a whole lot more vulnerable than you thought they would be.

so what your saying is Russia's secret plan is to have millions a millennials marching ontop of and around it's defensive installations at all hours of the day. seems legit. I'm going to ignore the other abjectly retarded science an math based components of that harebrained idea

>The point I'm trying to make is that one has to prepare for the possibility that these sensor systems are active and working, and your planes are suddenly a whole lot more vulnerable than you thought they would be.
nobody who is actually involved in the operation and deployment of these things believes that they're silver bullets. politicians might need a wake-up call about how these supposedly shit stealth planes aren't shit, but they also aren't perfect either, but pilots and generals already know all of this. why do you think all of these new datalinked munitions and platforms are being developed? it's more or less impossible to take out a modern russian SAM system with old HARMs and LGBs, that's why we have new weapons.

tl;dr don't act like the possible failure of the F-35 is an untold nightmare that nobody here could ever possibly conceive.

I don't think you have any clue what you're talking about. Your entire claim is all kinds of fucked up and retarded and is effectively
>but what if stealth no work amerikka finished then huh
You seem entirely ignorant that the United States has for decades built it's systems around a sead campaign in both it's weapons and it's platforms.

Degrading one component of it makes no difference as other systems.

dude ofc it's enough to cover the plane, you misunderstood my post. Pic related is what i meant, with conventional airplanes the "beam" gets diffused and radar can pick it up but with stealth planes it is reflected to only certain directions so it wont hit the radar.

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A multistatic radar is fucking bitching if the transmitter and receiver are far away from each other, and becomes worse with multiple emitters at play. You need to discriminate which emitter sent the pulse, datalink information about the pulse (when it was sent etc) then datalink back information about when it was received and where which then needs to be calculated to turn the data into information about the target location. Some engineering nerds are certainly being paid to figure out how many emitters/transmitters you need over what kind of an area to provide reasonable accuracy. Traditional datalinks are fairly low bandwidth as they only need to transmit "target detected at coordinate X Y".

That said, It'll certainly be done in the future but no, it won't BTFO stealth completely, on the other hand just thinking that LOL any emitters will get HARM'd is an eqally naive position

What a faggot/

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VIRM was a mistake and franxx jumped the shark.

Ripped off Eva, TTGL, KLK, Elfen Lied, what else? Not an original idea in the entire show.

tyler rogoway is a fucking mong btw

>Not just fielding Brahmos so your enemy becomes obsolete.
You are much too humble of a superpower, Pajeet.

>Implying this hasn't been thought of before
>Implying it isn't stupid

do you have any idea how exactly you'd have to measure the placement of emitters and receivers to get a useful radar image?

Still cute when you feed her candy.

They did it before, they can do it again

Eo to

>You'd have to be right on top of the AA to drop a bomb on it

What even are glide bombs

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You understand that us stealth designs take into account different angles right, it doesn't just magically become less stealthy. As a rule rcs from the front aspect is the smallest, however that doesn't preclude stealth from other angles. Even from the rear an f-35 is somewhere near 2 inches

Pic related is the Klaxxosaur princess, 02 and the princess are based on the story of the Red and Blue oni in Japanese mythology.

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>reverse searching a reaction image to try to find retort
>being this big of a faggot

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Is that even how radar works???

>There, I've just made stealth obsolete. You're welcome, China.
No, you just added a huge amount of factors you can't control or easily calculate

1. You now need a stable theater wide data link with milliseconds of lag - otherwise you cannot verify which pulse you are detecting at which receiver
2. You now have one blazing emitter on BLAST begging for any Anti-Rad flight
3. If the reflective surface has a wave attenuation from RAM then any return you get is altered removing any accuracy in using the signal to perceive 3 dimensional position
4. If you want to add multiple emitters point 1 becomes orders of magnitude more complex, How will you figure out what reflection is from which emitter?

>The simple fact is that the US is putting a hell of a lot of eggs into the basket that is Camoflague... and wether or not new technology like FLIR will render that entire useless is still out there.

Stealth is a way of ensuring your force has the advantage of choosing when to engage - That is no different than any other form of camo.

Not really, no. You need to know the point of origin, direction of the outgoing signal's travel, and so on. Modern X-Band radars (which are the only ones useful for ID and targeting) can get enough resolution from returns to get a shape based on what comes back and time differentials between, for example, the nose and wingtip, to build a useful "picture" of the aircraft. And stealth, by scattering it in every direction and absorbing as much into the skin, reduces the distance effective returns can be generated by a massive degree.

thats why they say Radar Cross section. sure the plane is returning a ton of radar, but only at specific angles, in relatively small quantities, which is why they say Stealth doesn't really make the plane reflect less radar, it just makes it reflect narrower beams, meaning you'd see what looks like a flight of birds, not a solid shape, and if you track everything the size of a pigeon and bigger, your radar is going to be so damn cluttered its useless.

>turns off your radar
SEAD mission accomplished, the aa complex was suppressed to the point where it's personnel would have been more useful digging ditches and the diesel sold to buy drinks

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I'm not an expert like ya'll though

>franxx
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This is so wrong
Radar of any sort radar doesn't do shape identification to identify aircraft. Anything that returns a reading above the background noise level is shown. Combat aircraft are found by using the doppler effect to track their speed. Target identification is done by databases of known radar returns.

It doesn't scatter try to scatter in every direction, if they wanted that they'd make it a sphere. They're made to scatter it away from the source of the radar. And most of the stealth comes from it's shape not RAM.

Mate radar doesn't move like that. It spreads out as it travels, not moves in a perfect line. That's why your torchlight circle gets bigger the further away it is.

Its true that stealth planes only reflect it in certain directions, ie away from the source. But flying at several km in the air, it would reflect on a very large area on the ground.

But a radar already does all that. Just in a single unit. All you have to do is separate the emitter and receiver and connect them through fibre optics or something.

>It doesn't scatter try to scatter in every direction, if they wanted that they'd make it a sphere.
A sphere wouldn't scatter in every direction, it would guarantee a perfect 90 perpendicular reflection from every angle with a slow RCS falloff as you came off center, This is Why IRST domes are noted as such an RCS increaser a sphere is the worst shape for all angle RCS

>They're made to scatter it away from the source of the radar
Away from Emitter and several dozen angles that are suspected to be RCS critical, that why the F-35 belly is contoured for several deferent angles.

>Target identification is done by databases of known radar returns.
> And most of the stealth comes from it's shape not RAM.
RAM can help with Stealth, not by complete masking, but by your own logic a RAM coated aircraft will not show up on the database of targets as the type of aircraft that they should - This will confuse the enemy and may delay the launching of counter assets

>All you have to do is separate the emitter and receiver and connect them through fibre optics or something.
And insert computations that will correct for the radical angular seperation

The show was literally created as an homage to Evangelion.
holy shit guys

just get total and complete air superiority and don't give a shit, even if they see you they won't shoot to hopefully not call down the wraith of fuck

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