I was thrown into a mental institution when I was 14 and lived in California. I now live in Texas and am too spooked to try and buy a gun in fear of being denied. Am I fucked? I keep getting mixed answers "yes you can get a gun because private health records" and "no because long dick of cali"
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Kayden Kelly
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Jack Rodriguez
Go try to buy one. The guy will make a quick phone call and either deny you or sell to you. Not that big a deal.
Joshua Taylor
Was it a court order? If not you're fine.
Juan White
become a Jow Forumsnight
Liam Perez
>fear of being denied
You just might get lucky, so go ahead and try.
In case shit doesnt fall through:
Decorate your walls with cold weapons, arrow launchers are fine too.
Shift your focus outside of gunpowder, perhaps you can find some satisfaction in that field. Pneumatic guns are also of consideration, but I wouldnt waste my time with half measures like flobert or similar. Perhaps blackpowder muzzle loaders. Depending on your law circumstances of course.
>If you cannot get a weapon, become the weapon
t. drunk user, miyamoto musashi and yagyu munenori
Jayden King
if only you didn’t need to pass anything to buy:
>a parts kit
>a dremel
>a jig
>an 80%
Jayden Mitchell
I've never even stepped foot inside a courthouse. So I assume not
Ryan Murphy
Like everyone else is saying, you might as well at least try to buy it. If you do get denied, you can either do or you can buy black powder revolvers and conversion cylinders for them.
Sebastian Brown
lying on the form is a felony. I dont want to mark "no" as my answer for ever being adjudicated or committed and then get booled
Brody Reed
Goddamit, wrong pic.
Benjamin Jackson
>parts kit + a jig + harbor freight drill press = hasguns
unless you do not have the mental capacity to operate a drill press with a jig?
Logan Gutierrez
Well have you ever actually been ordered by the court into an institution? It sounds like you may need more information about your situation. This is a legal matter though, not necessarily a health records thing. You can probably answer "No" to that question though. Voluntary commitments won't restrict you. There needs to have been a court order. Your status as a minor at the time of commitment may have helped you out here too.
Dylan Phillips
It kind of depends, actually. State laws have their own classification on what is a Voluntary (green light) commitment vs Involuntary (red light). And the states are the ones that actually make that call to the feds.
Next is how well sealed juvenile records are. If the feds don't have ready access to it, there's no proof of denial. But if it gets unearthed, and mentions the commitment being legally involuntary, it pretty much opens Pandora's box.
I've also heard about some guys having their gun rights reinstated via county court. But that's also up to state law, and has a lot of red tape to go with it.
If all three criteria are a dud, the only alternative would be black powder antiques and repros. Not the most ideal setups, but I see a lot of possibilities for technological advancements. Especially the revolvers (non nfa stocks, double action, removable cylinders) and smoothbore rifles (tap loading, rifled slugs, etc).
James Rivera
Don't you need a receiver to build parts kits?
Grayson Martinez
80% lower guy
Jonathan Baker
No court order. I went straight from the counselors office into the hands of the cops, then to ESU (least i think it was called ESU) it also wasn't voluntary. I went to the counselor to get help voluntarily, but i didn't ask to be thrown into a crazy house, he called the cops for that because he claims he "felt threatened". pussy
Carter Diaz
Do you not need a background check to buy those? I really don't know.
Camden Nelson
If it happened when you were a minor in another state you’re fine.
David Bailey
I actually did this with a polymer lower once. All I had was a dremel.
Juan Anderson
Since it happened in California, I wouldn't be surprised if they reported me to the feds. Though if they didnt, im pretty sure mental health records are classified. Meant to be shared between myself and my specialist. I don't know a whole lot about this stuff which is why I'm so concerned about it.
Benjamin Butler
The laws around this are so complicated, but I think you're in the clear.
Sebastian James
I feel your pain, dude. I got harassed by a bunch of dipshits, and the authorities turned on me because >huurdurr guns r bad
If you ever want to look into what I'm talking about, it's called Victim Blaming
Blake Sullivan
California though user. Wouldn't they have reported me to the feds? thus fucking me over across the nation
Aiden Lee
Doesn't matter. Minor records are sealed and likely never to be open.
Asher Sullivan
If it's not technically a gun, then you don't need a background check.
Also, if your state allows face-to-face private gun sales without having to go through an FFL, then just get on Armslist and eat your heart out.
Bentley Martinez
I'll fact check that. If you're being wholesome then I'll call it a /thread
Aaron Gonzalez
>Wouldn't they have reported me to the feds?
Doubtful. It's impossible to say without all the details of your case, but you've stated you were a minor, voluntarily sought help, and there was no court order. I don't think there was anything to report to the feds.
Ryder Robinson
I voluntarily sought help from my counselor. He got spooked and called the cops. My hold was considered involuntary
Bentley Clark
Just say you were mentally deficient when you signed the form. If you're already prohibited, it won't matter anyway.
Benjamin Jackson
Only criminal records are not sealed, even then you can get them sealed if they happened when you are a minor.
Josiah Hall
From what I'm gathering, it reminds me a bit of Mr. Zawahri's case (before he did the whole 80% thing). I think he was denied the initial purchase.
California does have more red tape than any other state in the union, so it would make sense.
Connor Hall
Kek
Carter Perez
Was it a 72 hour hold? I'm guessing this was a 5585?
James Robinson
I'm retarded. I'm not finding much in terms of sealing mental health records from when I was a minor in California. A lot of what I get is telling me that a 5150 hold (what i got) is reported to the California DOJ and is only accessible by them if you wish to purchase a gun in cali. Still digging
Andrew Hernandez
5150.
Ryder Hernandez
How long were you held for, 72 hour psych hold shouldn't count against you. The dude that shot up the airport in florida was taken for a psych hold by the FBI, once the doctors released him he got on a plane and pop pop pop.
Asher Perry
I thought 5150 was for adults? Regardless though, 72 hour holds are excluded from federal prohibited person laws, so if that's all it was you're good to go. CA has a 5 year firearms prohibition on persons with a 72 hour hold, but it that doesn't apply to TX I believe, nor do I believe the feds or TX would have access to that info. Pretty sure your info only exists in the CA DOJ.
Jackson Sanders
I was held in a place called ESU for 72 hours. Around the second day I was approached by some lardass who asked me to sign a contract saying i'd prohibit my ability to own firearms for 5 years. I didn't care much for guns at the time since i was still a dumbshit, so i signed. Then I was transferred over to a slightly bigger room for an hour, then sent to an outpatient care unit for children and adolescents. I stayed there for what felt like a week. Still don't know why I was sent there.
John Lopez
Well apparently not. I did get told to sign that prohibition so you're mostly spot on other than the 5150 for adults bit.
Ian Price
Found this on it.
Eli Adams
I was held beyond 72 hours.
David Hughes
Ignore these nimrods. They want you to get in trouble. You need to have someone check into it for you.
Gavin Flores
So then follow the fucking advice in that thread? Either contact DOJ or CADOJ and see if you're DQ'd.
Ian Lewis
rip double reply. OP again. Does that thread only apply to ca though? As in, if i was held beyond the 72 hours and prohibited from buying a firearm, is that only a cali thing?
Evan Lewis
No point i checking in with the CADOJ since I'm not there anymore. I'm already looking into talking with the DOJ
Juan Wood
Nice. Since part kits and receivers technically aren't guns, would it be possible to buy them if you're under 21, despite bans on semiautomatic rifles for people under 21?
Nathan Martinez
Christoph Waltz is incredible. I wish he was my German grandpappy who would take me hunting and share stories by the fire over a good beer in his secluded cabin while we clean our guns together.
Noah Stewart
Someone always comes around when i post waltz. cheers user
Hudson Hughes
Well boys, that's it. I called the law firm that was in the forum post user posted above. He confirmed that I'm fucked on a state and federal level unless the law is changed.
Guess I'll resort to private sales in Texas. Thanks for all the help anons.
Aaron Collins
cheers man, I feel bro.
we all fuck up occasionally, im lucky I didnt get cucked by a doctor.
still fucked up my entire life and i want to curl up into a ball and die when i think about it.
Benjamin Butler
It's fine user. Private sales are always an option. And if not, then I'll pull a rorkes drift or battle of waterloo.
Lincoln Evans
i had a similar thing in massachusetts. did way too much concerta and drank way too much booze and i got held overnight at a hospital near campus after i said i was gonna kill myself. was worried id get flagged when applying for my ltc but everything went swimmingly and i have never failed a background check. you should be good man
Aaron Campbell
no one cares about this but im fine now i was just some edgy college freshman being a complete asshole. fuck that noise i cringe every time i think about it
Christian Howard
I'm not good. my hold went from 5150 to 5250. If it was just a 5150 then I'd be fine across the country, but since it turned into a 5250, the violence has escalated and I'm flagged everywhere now. Hence why I'll just go with private sales.
Jaxon Myers
Here is what you should do OP
>Talk to a lawyer
But here is my (not a lawyer) take away (again I am not a lawyer):
If forced by a court, you might be on the NICS no-go list (you also may have fell through the cracks).
If your parents forced you, you should be in the clear. Then again, it is California and they might have put you on the list if you ever drove past one.
David Anderson
I wasn't forced by a court nor my parents. I went from the counselor to the cops, to the ESU. Scroll up.
Jackson Collins
In most states you should be ok then, as far as I understand. I really do recommend checking with a legit lawyer. One of the very good thing the NRA does is have lawyers on hand to answer questions like this one.
Juan Young
I'll give it one last shot.
Nathan Diaz
double reply fucc. you also gotta keep in mind it turned into a 5250, meaning i was held for 14 days. Totally different from a 5150 in terms of hold length and restrictions
Nicholas Morales
Like I said, you are really not going to find real good clear advice from Jow Forums on this. Complications from what I have gleamed:
>Minor
>California
>Held for more than 24 hours
>Of own free will
Like I said before, a lawyer is your best bet. Check to see if one of the NRA ones can answer this for you, if they can't you might at least get pointed in the direction of one who could (and would most likely bill you, which I know sucks).
Julian Robinson
Do you guys have any links or numbers for the NRA lawyers? I can't find any for the life of me. Then again I haven't slept in 3 days so im slower than usual
Jace Sullivan
So it's for members only (but $35 for legal advice is a steal).
www dot nraila dot org/articles/20111212/attorney-referrals
Jason Gonzalez
poorfag right now. I'll keep it bookmarked and call them up whenever I have the money. Thanks user
Benjamin Gray
Fucking LOL
Jose Cooper
>poorfag right now
I remember those days. Keep an eye out for deals and discounts on memberships (they can drop ton$20-25 at times), that's how I handled my membership for the first few years.
Good luck overall, OP.
Brody Richardson
I spent most of a month in a cali mental hospital when I was 20. Checked myself in though. I've never had trouble buying guns.
Julian Hughes
That's the deciding factor, checking yourself in and being checked in.
Adrian Adams
Probably. Sounds like saving some cash and talking to an NRA lawyer first is still your best bet. I just wanted to throw in my little experience.
Nicholas Kelly
Queer.
Jackson Cox
I'm glad you're well user, and I'm in taxashootits too. muh red tape tho