design a tank for jungle warfare
Design a tank for jungle warfare
Aiden Robinson
Justin Lopez
>dat massive POS
>also wants a tank for the jungle
do you even know what a jungle looks like, retard? anyway, this is a shit thread.
Elijah Foster
No Jungle tank for you round eye
that is why you lose round eye
Justin Thompson
light, small, transportable
jungles are bad tank country in general, so anything needing large tank formations is out of the question
something moderately armored with good guns, small logistical foot print
they would be strictly for supporting the infantry and protecting from ambushes
Matthew Sanchez
Basically a somethinf like a jagdpanzer hetzer but with a flame thrower, firing ports all around, and a 360 degree swivel machinegun operated from the inside.
Connor Hughes
For one, don't put a 30 foot long fucking forked gun barrel on the thing so that it snags on every fucking vine in the jungle.
for two, probably you'd want it light and amphibious, and armored mostly against shaped charge weapons.
Nolan Rogers
>Constantly leeks Agent Orange
>Has MLRS for thermobaric rounds
>Has 57mm gun for FAE airburst rounds with proximity fuse
>Mosquito repellent
>Anti Humidity Air conditioning unit
>Has a tethered drone that is sturdy enough to defend against possible attacks by Philippine Monkey Eating Eagles.
Levi Wilson
Fuck you and your jungle.
James Sullivan
The best tanks for jungle warfare were already made and used to excellent effect.
Henry Gutierrez
Jungle? What Jungle?
Easton Cruz
Amx ELC bis Is the only true answer.
>7 tons
>Short profile
>90mm gun
>Can be air lifted and airdropped
Only downside is the lack of armor, and the not fully rotatable turret.
Alexander Rodriguez
A flaming coffin is all that is
Sebastian Perry
It has a 30mm chaingun and a rack of thermobaric rockets for clearing the jungle.
Brayden Brown
Probably a single tread line, with multicple articulated segments so it can worm it's way between the trees. Side mounted cannons on each segment. End to end: half a mile long so it can curl up and encircle enemy units and destroy everyone within it's grasp with it's many cannons.
Kayden Baker
underrated and kekalicious
Aiden Bailey
>Narrow tracks, terrible flotation
>light weight, making it nearly impossible to muscle through dense foliage
>low profile, making it exceptionally easy to board
>weak armor, making it vulnerable to short-range anti-tank weapons
>limited turret traverse
>large gun is difficult to service
>terrible situational awareness for the crew
Jose Martinez
If the US got into another serious conflict in a jungle environment, would we see a flamethrower variant of the Abrams? Because I really want to see that.
John Wilson
Caleb Edwards
>design a tank for jungle warfare
Probably one of those spider tanks from Ghost in the Shell.
Ryan Davis
Assuming fighting in a jungle means fighting against jungle people, then I'd go with the USMC's M4 field modifications.
Combat in a dense jungle would take place at extremely short ranges in confined spaces. This means a few things for your tank:
>You must be able to easily maneuver the vehicle in confined spaces
>Your armor must be able to withstand attacks from light, man-portable anti-tank weapons (grenades, magnetic mines, Panzerfaust/RPG-2/LAW style light weapons, etc)
>Because of the density of the jungle, larger anti-tank weapons are impractical. This means that armor can be kept to moderate levels, and armament needs only be effective out to intermediate ranges.
>Efforts should be made to defeat enemy troops attempting to close in with the tank. These can include spikes on horizontal surfaces, protective screens around optics, non-magnetic coatings or coverings for armor, and ample machine guns.
>A short gun allows for easy engagement of targets around large trees.
>Firepower should allow for a powerful HE round, as infantry, bunkers, and foliage itself will be a frequent issue.
>Crew should be aware of their surroundings. Line of sight is limited heavily by the environment, thus the tank must be designed to compensate for this.
Adrian Ortiz
Very unlikely, although we may see a TOS-1'esque variant of the M1150, using thermobaric munitions rather than MCLCs.
Gabriel Richardson
Interesting share
7tons isn't heavy enough for scrub?
Isaiah Cook
7 tons and 1.6m really isn't. Besides, the US learned with the M551 how poorly suited lightly armored, heavily armed airborne tanks were to jungle warfare.
Liam Flores
Impossible. Tanks cannot move through jungle.
Bentley Jackson
Is it true that allies shot at their own flamethrower guys?
Jordan Johnson
Historically, this is what they used for vietnam
Adam Peterson
Step one: Remove jungle.
Step two: Send regular tanks.
Jeremiah Walker
Step 1: Start with (pic related).
Step 2: Add armour and weaponry.
Step 3: Iron out bugs and flaws.
Michael Reyes
Yes, as sort of an improvised IED. When flamethrower men were in a mass group of enemies as they often found themselves, allied snipers were instructed to shoot the flamethrower fuel tanks to create a massive explosion
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Ayden Smith
I's go with something like an easily mountable tripod able to use adjacent trees to support itself, capable of spraying and area with lead thatll go trough wood like butter
Also no missile that shit is retarded due to so many trees taking the horizon line, the missile would travel something like 30 mets max before hitting a tree
Not so much a tank then but what the fuck u be expecting
Daniel Cook
ACAV
M113A3
add some slat armor
maybe a UGWS 40/50 turret
chain link hatch covers for ventillation?
Zachary Perry
M50 ontos performed exceptionally well in the jungle. Could follow infantry anywhere they wanted to go and was wonderfully utilitarian
Noah Lewis
They already made one.
Lucas Carter
Wide treads, high ground clearance for soft soil littered with roots and debris
Starting fire to clear forest from the tank itself is risky
I can't find the video, but have you all seen that device that grinds right into the trunks of trees and keeps the tree upright as it feeds into grinder? Throw one of those on it
Bonus points if it has a gasifier and runs off of the plant matter it is clearing
Josiah Reyes
Rude
UwW
Michael Moore
Fellas, we're all going light and maneuverable. But let me raise you an alternative. A massive tank that just tramples the trees as it rolls over the Vietcong punji pitfalls
Benjamin Hall
>jungle warfare
USA learned it’s lesson: just say no to jungle warfare. Desert warfare much better KD ratio.
Parker Edwards
You should brush up on your jungle k/d then there, susan.
Landon Hernandez
The US killed a lot of gooks in vietnam, but they didn't have the sort of tech or medicine that made Afghanistan and Iraq so easy.
NVG and IR alone would have made the night assaults that the VC used to love suicidal and you can only imagine the sort of destruction that a flight of A10s with pylons full of napalm or cluster bombs would wreak on one of the NVA's zerg rushes. Not to mention how insanely deadly modern attack choppers or the AC130 would be, especially out in the rice paddies where people would stand out for miles on FLIR.
Plus if you start thinking outside the box, the accuracy of laser guided bombs means that you could drop bunker busters right on top of tunnel networks and use the earthquake effect to collapse the whole system.
Or like, you could air drop a shit load of cheap audio/video sensors in areas where you thought enemy activity might be and then flatten the areas with strategic bombing whenever you detected something. That'd clear up the ho chi minh trail pretty quick.
You really would not want want to fight a modern military in the jungle as an insurgent, that's for sure. Especially if they were gloves off, chemical weapons on style, like the US military was in vietnam.
Brayden Bailey
Maybe start with something like this?
Carter Powell
Just give these a better engine
Thomas Morgan
Pic related, add a .50 cal and a TOW launcher on top
David Parker
Came here to post this. Beehive shells ripped huge corridors in the jungle and whatever was lurking within it.
Angel Reed
If you think a flamethrower explodes when you shoot it, you are retarded and need to go back to school. Woody Williams had two of his flamethrower packs get shot while he was taking bunkers and all that did was spray all the fuel out from the bullet holes. Not to mention, you can't ignite gas, diesel, or napalm with a normal bullet impact.
Cameron White
>tow
>jungle
put a carl gustav on it and shit out flechette rounds
Lucas Taylor
Low to the ground with broad tracks, short barreled autoloading 100mm electrothermal-chemical cannon housed in a low profile turret, ammo load composed of one third APFSDS, one third Phosphorous incendiary, one third fragmenting canister shot. Thermal sensors facing in all directions for 360 degree situational awareness. Low profile CROWS packing the usual camera systems and an XM214 5.56mm minigun firing M855 ball and M196 tracer in a 4-1 mix. Both turret and frontal glacis will be sloped at highly acute angles and the bottom of the tank will also be sloped as much as possible without sacrificing necessary internal volume to protect it from mines or IEDs. Armor will be relatively thin with removable extra armor packs, both the standard armor and armor packs will include the most up to date versions of ERA to protect the tank as best as possible from shaped charges. Suspension will be hydropneumatic to aide in smooth coverage of rough or uneven terrain. Powerplant should be multi-fuel and should ideally put out around 6-750sph. I'd want this tank to max out at something like 20 tons tops with an off road speed of 30-35mph or higher.
James Gomez
I think you might be retarded
Noah Murphy
It'd work if you had some way to change the size of the feet on the fly depending on terrain, cause as it stands right now you'd be sinking in mud like crazy, those feet are for concrete jungles.
Landon Thompson
Forgot to mention, fully sealed crew compartment and robust climate control are a given, to prevent the tank from becoming an absolute fucking misery to use.
John Rivera
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Aiden Parker
I don't believe the 106mm guns of the M50 ever fired flechette rounds; Such a munition required a high muzzle velocity to be effective, which was exactly what the M40 rifle was designed not to have. I think they had canister rounds, but again I'm not sure if these were around for Vietnam.
Jaxon Price
>you could air drop a shit load of cheap audio/video sensors in areas where you thought enemy activity might be and then flatten the areas with strategic bombing whenever you detected something
The USAF sorta did this with Operation Igloo White during Vietnam; dropping seismic sensors and various other intelligence gathering and relay devices along the Ho Chi Minh trail in an effort to better detect and target VC and NVA forces.To the best of my knowledge this was never used to coordinate operations larger than tactical airstrikes on individual convoys though. In any case, bombing the fuck out of the trail proved to be pretty pointless, since it's pretty easy to repair a dirt road.
Levi Thomas
They did Zerg rush in Korean War, not Vietnam.
Christopher Butler
I'd replace the M2 with an M134 or M61 a'la M163. The Browning is a good gun, but there are better options for defending against rushing infantry in close quarters; it lacks an adequate rate of fire. Alternatively you could use a setup similar to the AAV-7A1 with an enclosed turret with both the M2 and a Mk.19.
Julian Richardson
Depends on the scale you're talking about. The Chinese and KPA used it more on a strategic level, throwing huge amounts of manpower into entire operations to overwhelm major American units (battalions, divisions, etc.) . The NVA and VC forces used it more on a tactical level, combining ambushes and nighttime attacks with relentless and brutal force through numbers against smaller American units (individual squads, platoons, companies...)
Elijah Young
Sherridan with modern whizbangs and a 105mm gun
Carson Cox
something with an epic weedwhacker(with chains) on the front.
A short gun like 152mm shooting behive rounds.
The ability to float.
Superwide tracks.
Colton Brown
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>A flaming coffin is all that is
He believe the sherman bad tank meme
Owen Bennett
>Design a tank for jungle warfare
I lack the creativity to do so, but I will give you an idea for a work around.
>Burn the jungle to the ground
>Now that you have barren fields and swamps, send in the tanks you already have
No need to redesign the wheel, just give the wheel a road to follow instead of a dense fucking jungle.
We just need more Napalm.
Joshua Watson
>the "i sort of give a shit about collateral damage" method
shirow-esque spider tank with a proper napalm flame thrower and a pair of water cooled .50s rigged together on the Gast design
if for some reason that is insufficient, a short barreled (relatively speaking) bushmaster
>the full retard method
level the jungle with ordnance and incendiaries and sweep through what's left with infantry supported by IFVs so you can send your actual armor elsewhere