Realistic "Man In the High Castle"

Maybe if it was surplus WW2 vintage Soviet gear. But it doesn't make sense that they would have Kamovs if there were no Soviet Union in the 60s to invent them in the first place.

Seems like Japan placed much less importance on their American territory than their German counterpart.

The imperial guard regiment are armed with what looks like type 64 battle rifle while occupational force are mainly bolt action Arisakas from WW2.

The Germans in other hands have Stg series of rifles and mp 42s, oddly enough they also chooses MP5 as props for some of the embassy guards.

In heavy weapons side seems Japan lacks any means to retaliate against an all out nuclear attack before season 3

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They've had 2 decades to rule America and obtain access to our infrastructure & industry.

I'm sure they can do more than just settle for scraps.

That struck me as rather implausible. America would make an excellent place to build up a base of power for Imperial Japan. Organize the Pacific States into a hotbed of industry and churn out armaments.

>The imperial guard regiment are armed with what looks like type 64 battle rifle while occupational force are mainly bolt action Arisakas from WW2.

In the setting it seems American never recovered from the great depression, and the main industrial infrastructure are on the Atlantic side

Seems like Japan would have more luck in an industrialized Manchurian and China, since they would provide vital resources much closer to Japanese home island.

It is also possible the American infrastructure on the pacific side was never the shape it was in real life due to the continuing great depression

It would explain why Japan considered China more its "backyard" than America, and allowed Germany to annex most of it.

>Realistic "Man In the High Castle"

Wouldn't have happened.

We're speculating.

Maybe they have paperclipped Kamov

>heavily militarised
>warships all over the bay
>armed guards at every government building

How is this any different from our universes America?

What fighters are on the Carrier?

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What the fuck happened to Il Duce?

Jets of some sort

They look like F-4 Phantoms.

Whats in Russia?

The nazis in this show are seen wearing east german rain camo pattern on their fatigues.

Nazis have T-55 and BDRM-2.

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How good is that bit in the book when Tagomi shoots the jaw of an SS goon with a Colt 1860 Army.

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I would imagine that by the sixties the IJA would have adopted an semi-automatic rifle of some sort, but that's about as much innovation they would be willing to do, it would be a long rifle firing a long cartridge... and none of that box magazine nonsense. A long-ass bayonet is a must. Deliveries of these semi-automatic rifles would be prioritized for the combat units, old bolt action rifles would still be used by garrison troops all around the Empire.

The Germans meanwhile would have probably moved on from the STG-44 design and adopted the StG 45(M) design or some further development of it.

T I G E R S

Uhh, stolen American weapons and advancements based on Nazi guns? Basically MG42s, STG44s(8mm short and long like a G3), MP40s like MP5s? Maybe some optics?

Nazis were basically modern with their equipment and it carried over 40+ years later so its reasonable to think in this situation the same would occur. Jap weapons were shitty and with a direct peacetime connection would probably gank German designs for themselves after learning lessons during the war.

Makes sense, T54/55 was conceived in 1943 as a T34 replacement, but was not allowed to be built until Stalin had died, and the Germans had a semi stiffy for the T34.

I could see the Germans using an 8mm Mauser G3 with a tangent leaf sight, it fits all of the G41 requirements except clip loading.

Wasn't Japan's navy far superior to its army, which it justifiably looked down on?

There’s no point in speculating, because the requirements for it to be a thing is so far removed from reality that you might as well say they’re using laser rifles and flying UFOs.

You’re just as retarded as that guy saying Germany could have used railway guns to invade Alaska.

Most of the technology in their timeline would've followed the same path as it did in real life. German tanks wouldn't be super heavy 100t tanks like idiots would imagine, their tank technology would follow the same kind of evolution as the T-55 and Leopard, considering HEAT rendered armor useless until the advent of composite armor. The jump from StG-44s to G3s and MP5s isn't that big either, considering the prototypes of said guns were based on late WW2 prototypes.

America stays out of the war. Germany gets the bomb, nukes us to surrender. World falls.

This isn't exactly a stretch of an alternate reality.

Japan spent a lot of time and resources in industrializing Korea, a good chunk of their industry came from their at one point irc. It makes sense for the Japs to keep their vital industry close to heart, even with the industrial potential of their American holdings since it would be harder for the Germans to strike it, and its much much harder to control the US population so far away.

Also it would be pretty easy for the show to get their hands on t55s instead of other German tanks

Every SINGLE thing you just wrote about the T-54 is wrong. Christ user, read a book.

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Germany wasn’t even close to getting the bomb. Scientists would have bailed anyway. Russia would still have run roughshod. Even if they had the bomb, they had no way to deliver it, not to the UK and definitely not to CONUS

This edit would be better if they got the arm right.

You're drawing hasty conclusions. It wouldn't be as rough as with Lend Lease. Without LL, the Soviets would've flat out lost. With a Germany that isn't having a hard time, a lot of things like R&D projects would've been able to get the funding and manpower they needed. Projects like the Amerikabomber were only cancelled because of the dire situation they were in.

What would have happened in RL, he got eaten because Germans hated the goddamn Italians. Check what happened in the RSI, the Reich pretty much annexed the border regions and planned to evict the Italian speaking communities.

A German victory for Italy in ww2 would have been a disaster.

Except Lend-Lease was a thing even before the US entered the war. And also, that requires Japan to not attack the US (Read as: Japan not having the tism)
Like I said, circumstances are so far removed from reality that you might as well include aliens

because it's not run by a certain desert tribe?

>thinking pre-Pearl Harbor LL was the same as post-PH LL
>forgetting that FDR was the one who proclaimed the Arsenal of Democracy, thus starting the whole LL ordeal in the first place
>thinking such a thing would still be possible with FDR dead in 1933, no New Deal, a longer lasting Great Depression and a higher isolationist support

Kinda the point of the series though. Lots of alternate worlds, one where Hitler won, one where Stalin won solo, probably one where Poland the worlds sole Superpower. To them its probably as ridiculous that the US could win in their world as it is for the Nazis to win in ours.

The german military would probably, in terms of appearance, would probably look a lot like the East German NVA. The STG44 would have probably evolved into a pseudo-HK33. As for pistols they'd probably just continue using the P38s, Lugers and Hi Powers they used in the war.

The first episode the Nazi spy was captured using a SVD to kill the prince of Japan.

This.

>Germans hated the Italians
Bullshit you fucking kike. The annexations happened during the civil war at the behest of the interim Gov't and army. Germans respected the Italians and the mistrust was directed at their Officer Corp, which with time improved. Go back to the history meme channel with that bullshit.

>tfw my state is in the Nazi sector
Best timeline

Nazi Germany had a thing for using captured military gear, If they did conquer America you would see a lot of M1 Garands and M4 Shermans in Wehrmacht service.

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The point of divergence was FDR being g successfully assassinated in Feb 1933 before taking office. Meaning John Garner, a southern conservative who opposed many of FDR's policies (to the point of a public break in 1937) and who aligned more with isolationists, takes over.

So with Garner instead of FDR, there's no New Deal. Likely no massive aid (unofficial or official) to allies later in the 30s. Since he was big pro-industry he may have wanted to align with German industrial interests.

The US came very, VERY close to sitting out on early WWII activities. It's entirely plausible that had FDR been killed before taking office we wouldn't have gotten involved.

did you see the fatigues they wear in the show

like from here:
They Nazi troops were that East German rain camo.

Autists just can't into alternate histories without wailing about realism. No shit it's not real, now go focus on your ponies collection.

The US army in 1963 wasn't that different from 1945. Same OD but with blame tags, integrated troops, M-14 instead of garand. 1911 still in use. Same steel pot. I expect Axis troops, had they won, would only make similar slight upgrades by the time of TMITHC 1863

chi-coms/PLA eventually adopted and used the ww2 Japanese steel helmet.

Even kept the star the Japs had on it.

Now that's aesthetic

>I get my history from leddt: the post

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Irrelevant, because the IJN couldn't even defeat the navy that had already been commisioned before Pearl Harbor, and the Nazi Germany wouldn't have the time and effort to spare until the 50s.

The IJN can be completely neutered with a sufficient Submarine fleet, based out of Austrailia and New Zealand which both would have undoubtedly petitioned to join the Union after the UK fell, same with Canada.

Japan making it that far, is too unrealistic for the setting to be considered, and was only put in because the limp wristed faggot didn't want to be racist against the Nips.

And the only way, and most likely way, for America to join the Reich is an outright democratic vote to do so, in that case the Reich would not be settling for just half of America, not just half of it.

Because its fucking impossible for Japan to get that far at all, there economy was overheating and they were undergoing rationing when they were winning the war in China and before the embargoes.

For all the talk you hear about the inevitable collapse of the Nazi regime, its Japan that was reaching too hard too far too fast and not paying a hoot to logistics

Its still really fucking stupid, the 2 Ocean Navy Act, the Vinson-Walsh act, singlehandedly increaseed the size of the Navy by 70%.

On July 19, 1940, 1 year and 5 months before Pearl Harbor and still under the Great Depression.

America was just that economically overpowering.
This. Japan was never going to get that far

I love this pic.

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> So with Garner instead of FDR, there's no New Deal.
The New Deal was a waste of money.Without it America recovers faster,and due to the extra budget it can strengthen its armed forces
> Since he was big pro-industry he may have wanted to align with German industrial interests
Then Germany sees how full of shit the nazis are and ditches them before they fuck the economy beyond repair.

Your timeline is the one where Japan ravages China and the Wehrmacht uses Shermans to attack Moscow.Pretty cool desu.

One of two things.

>1) Race to erase the uncivilized tribes
Imagine 1800s American Manifest Destiny, except it is a German and Japanese race up and down the American continent, the African continent, and the Middle East / Indian Subcontinent.

I would imagine lots of weapons designed to pump out the most cheap chunks of metal possible. Tactical shotguns, flak artillery. Full-scale genocide, more or less. The population of the world goes drastically down. However, eventually, the German and Japanese empires reach the point at which one realizes they can attack the other and take them out of the picture for good. It would be a race for resources, building them until one is ready to destroy the other.

>2) Immediate arms buildup and fullscale war
This scenario involves the fledgling empires recognizing that the weakest either will ever be is at that exact moment. They both prepare to wipe the other striking critical production points. The creation of nukes and all the conventional Cold War weaponry we know and love except it is being used on the battlefield. One or the other wins and we see the first global empire, and we go back to Scenario 1 except there is no race for resources, it is just a mad grab with no one to stop it.

Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were very 4X oriented empires.

And this is the part where you go full retard.

Germany may have been years away from the bomb, but it was only a matter of time before someone had the bright idea that physics wasn't Jewish and that non jews were involved and that maybe it was Aryan science after all

And none of this explains Imperial Japan on the West Coast. It doesn't justify it either.

>Projects like the Amerikabomber were only cancelled because of the dire situation they were in.
And because they didn't have the engineering or technology at the time, because Nazi Germany was behind on the tech curve and infested with traitors that hated the regime like Porsche

I dont know.

I only know there will be ALOT of re-purposed Shermans

God I wish that was me.

Nice modernized Tiger 2, side skirt armor and reactive armor. But is that a modern 105mm cannon? looks better with soviet style 115mm cannon

None of this results in Imperial Japan on the West Coast. The absolute worst outcome is that maybe, MAYBE TVA doesn't get done. But that was voted on 60-12 with several abstaining, meaning it may have been able to garner support for overturning any veto.

We know its not real, but there a difference between plausibly different choices being made and magical unicorn farts.

Nazi Germany vs the USSR with the US not supplying any help to either Britain or Japan is a brutal slugfest that follows nearly the exact same script right up to and including Stalingrad and Operation Little Saturn, at which the war slows down.

A semi-static conflict emerges in the Far East, and if the Brits have any brains, they will realize they need to do something, now, or risk the Soviet collapse. But they can't. The Brits won't be able to bomb as hard or as often.

By 1944, the Soviet counter offensive attempts come to a complete halt, having eaten all their seed corn, having few if any trucks, having ran their rail network ragged, and the Soviets, having already been starving by the millions, having not been able to run their factories to the maximum without all the refined and rolled steel, start starving by the tens of millions.

June, 1945, the Axis powers return to the Volga, having bled the USSR dry of soldiers and workers. They acquire a surrender from remaining Soviet forces by November. It doesn't matter, over a million and a half Axis forces would still required for garrison duty

By this point, the entire Luftwaffe has been relocated to the West after the Soviet Air force ceased existing in 1943, and the RAF strategic bombing had slowed down and then stopped during the day time, even after the Brits took back North Africa after attriting the Regia Marina out of the waters.

With 7 million Axis combat deaths, and millions of wounded, and 60 million Soviets dead from war and starvation. By 1950, the war in Europe stops, one way or another.

That still means Nazi Europe needs to demobilize as much as it possibly can to rebuild the economy, and none of that helps the ongoing economic collapse of Imperial Japan as they conquer China. Grabbing all the Pacific territories outside of attacking America is still just going to drag Japan down.

Both of them have to spend the next ten years, at the minimum, repairing and rebuilding their economy, Japan especially needs to build some fucking merchant ships.

And then its the 1960s, and any effect assassinating Roosevelt had is long fucking gone, and the USA has recovered from the Great Depression, and is likely in possesion of nuclear weapons, but possibly behind on a delivery system.

Nazi Europe would still be focused on exploiting the eastern territory, Japan still digesting China and other parts of Asia, the British Empire still recovering or nonexistant, and somebody would be funneling weapons to Indochina to fuck with the Japs.

Nobody in any shape to attempt a war against the American continents. Not by 19 fucking 60

That first part would make a world a better place.

Am I the only one interested in a scenario where a German invasion of the US degenerates into a Vietnam tier shitfest, especially in the South and Appalachia?

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Yeah that would be surprising. We got all those guns. Even the KKK might not trust nor like the Nazis. Since the Nazis are foreign and socialistic. Im not surprised in our world/the real world that we have decorated combat veterans who fought on the European theater killed Nazis in combat but were Klansman after the war or before the war.

KKK was not a large organization even in the 40's. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be fighting germans if they knew what was going to happen. However they couldn't have known it was just another war to them.

Useless land thats not fit for Farming or anything else besides timber and gas fields.

I had an autistic spergout a while a ago on how a German invasion (with no nukes) would pan out with the KKK and the remnants of Southern Aristocracy taking advantage of of the instability to restore the Confederacy, with one of the real obstacle in their way being the Nazis and elsewherenin the country

Im glad we see eye to eye.

Fuck that silly liberal belief that Klan would automatically become Nazi collaborators even though they hated some of the same people.

I’m almost certain Appalachia would turn into White Afghanistan and that the Northeastern US would turn into a cold, muddy hellhole

Yeah that sounds right I wouldn't doubt it.

FUCK the SOVIETs and NAZIs that invade.

There were Catholics in the Wehrmacht. KKK hated them.

The nazis didn't even want to conquer the world, the Japanese wanted the pacific and the Italians wanted muh Rome but this whole epic global empire shit is so far out of reality besides the technical and logistical limitations alone.

>neutral zone
really? Jesus Christ. Although Nazi controlled Jow Forums would be interesting. Shitposting about whether or not the Guderian "lion" MBT was outdated, bitching about arisaka prices going up and arguing about the future war with Japan.

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In that war, using captured material was smart.

Guns? Fuck guns, it would be a "guerilla" war in name only with the guerilla pulling armored divisions and artillery batteries out the ass

Philip K. Dick wrote the book, not me.

As much as I despise the KKK, realistically, a German invasion of America would probably split the organization. Some would fight it, some wouldn't. Heck it would split Americans period, between the collaborators and the resistance.

If you guys didn't like that map, have an even more excessively elaborate one, lol.

This is closer to the book.

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Canada though is not accurate. Hitler did not consider the place worthy of German settlement, since Canadians "had no culture" in his ignorant eyes. He called Canada "a land without a people". Never mind the fact Canada is basically alternate universe America & vice versa (peacefully parting ways with the British Empire, instead of through violent insurrection).

Germany would give Canada to Japan.

Source is Wikipedia.

"He politically grouped the country together with the United States in a U.S.-dominated North America, and considered it equally as "materialistic, racially bastardized, and decadent" as its southern neighbor.[108] In 1942, when expressing his fear of an imminent collapse of the British Empire which he preferred to remain intact, Hitler believed that the United States would seize and annex Canada at the first opportunity,[109] and that the Canadians would be quick to welcome such a move.[108]

This lack of policy direction from the top meant that Nazi politicians concerned with representing Germany's interests and relations with Canada had to resort to an improvised line of policy which they believed to be in accordance with Hitler's wishes.[108] The country was noted for its abundance of natural resources, and because of its great geographic size coupled with a low population density was characterized as "a country without people", in contrast to Germany which was considered "a people without space".[108] In his 1934 travelogue account of Canada, Zwischen USA und dem Pol (English: Between the U.S. and the North Pole), German journalist Colin Ross described Canadian society as artificial because it was composed of many different parts that weren't tied together by either blood or long-standing traditions (highlighting the differences between the French and English Canadians in particular), and that for this reason one could not speak of either a Canadian nation or Volk.[110] As a result the country's political system was also considered mechanic and non-organic, and that Ottawa did not constitute "the heart of the nation". Because of both these factors the Canadians were deemed incapable of comprehending "true culture", and German immigration in Canada was considered a mistake because they would be forced to live in an "empty civilization".[111]

Translation: Americans and Canadians would be equally despised by the Nazis.

Truth hurts, huh? The only one with a borderline respect for a single Italian was Hitler, and the only Italian he respected was Mussolini. Endless sources prove the distrust between the Germans and the Italians (particularly after 1940) and when we're talking the puppet government (the RSI) the Germans pretty much started a looting spree that could not be kept in check. They would have annexed all the areas of the old Austrian empire (that was the plan) and made already moves to purge the Italian speaking communities from South Tyrol during the war itself! Mussolini privately admitted that he was powerless and that he felt like the leader of a defeated country. Whaddaya you expect from Nazis, respect? It's a racist based government, goddamnan!

Nothing because as history has shown the only way to conquer the U.S is by turning it into an oligarchical pseudo-republic which allows you to begin replacing the local populace with docile goblins who have no love of life nor liberty.

canada is just failed michigan. by that I mean its full of shady, scummy, borderline retards, all sorts of undesirables, socialists, faggots, chinks, mudslimes, and an entirely undeserved goodwill from the rest of the world.

I don't think anybody likes Canada anymore. They used to be known as friendly lumberjacks who drank 24 packs but now they're an international embarrassment who made a former music teacher their king because he said he'd legalize weed. Canada is the guy who has nobody to talk to so he silently stands next to two people having a conversation and laughs with them in hopes that they include him, but they never do, so he repeats this behaviour until the party is over.

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