Well, Jow Forums. My state's finally gone full treason. What do I do?

Well, Jow Forums. My state's finally gone full treason. What do I do?

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kill yourself tito

>Literally want to repeal the second amendment
Cue some dumbass liberal saying "Nobody wants to take your guns".

why are some of the most chill states also the most uncool

Send it to Steve Rinella since he thinks its ok to sell a HUNTING podcast to the Chernin Group, owned by antigun dems

Its always been about confiscation. Always.

Write/call/protest your senators hawaii bro, then, if they go full retard you do too

BE IT RESOLVED that the inhabitants of the former-State of Hawaii be sacrificed to Pele, the Volcano Goddess.

Let’s start with someone explaining to me what exactly a “collective right” is, because I don’t think that’s really a thing. I think it’s just an excuse for saying that the government has a right while the people themselves don’t (another name for this state of affairs is “tyranny”). You might as well say that North Korea has the “collective right” to free speech because the government can say whatever it likes, even though the people themselves risk going to a gulag if they do.

The collective right approach falls apart when you realize that the government already has a right to create armed forces as a completely separate part of the constitution, and thus the idea that the 2nd amendment only allows for government controlled gun usage would be completely redundant. It cannot mean that, because there is another part of the constitution that explicitly means that, and nothing in the constitution is that redundant.

>collective right

I think they mean “the state”. As in “only police/army should carry guns”.

Basically they’ve gone full-bootlicker

What's the actual purpose of proposing stronger gun control in Hawaii?
Do they have a high rate of gun-related homicides?
Firearms trafficking?
Gangs?

Why?

it means anytime a representative thinks the majority wants a gun control bill to pass that it's legal to do so.
>the collective wants this regulation

It falls apart if you just read the amendment. It quite clearly states
>the right of the people

I could tell you who to start shooting but you wont like the answer

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>clarify the constitutional right to bear arms
Append a "Yeah, we mean it. Nukes are cool, too."

I don't get it either. Collective means it applies to everyone as a whole, so it applies to the citizenry (as backed up by how the separate State Constitutions are written, which do not necessarily mention a militia but do mention individuals) and the citizenry is comprised of individuals. So this letter is just saying the same thing that has been reaffirmed numerous times but acts like it says something new. Every right mentioned in the Constitution applies to the individual precisely because they are a member of the citizenry of the United States and the only way to lose those rights is to be incarcerated.

Control, they want you to be their bitch.

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realistically how many Jow Forumsommandos would it take to take over one of Hawaiian isles?

The first three words of the constitution are literally "We the People" in big fucking letters. How the fuck can anyone infer that it only recognizes rights that the government is entitled to?

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if you ask them it surely will be answered to prevent a mass shooting that hasnt happened yet. The reason why the representative wants it passed is to prevent a mass shooting specifically of government

That's what is appears they mean, but the way they've worded it is moronic because it support individual rights. Basically they want to say "Only the State's forces (which are by the citizens- the collective) should have weapons because they were voted for by the people and will carry out their wishes." without the consequences of advocating for disarming citizens. This will never got anywhere, but it should disgust anyone who cares about rights. Anyone who signed in support of this should be recalled at the least and tarred & feathered as a good start to the punishments.

I only see this as a purely political move to garner support, because gun control is wildly popular among Democrats, regardless of the purpose.

I know secession has been ruled unconstitutional but couldn’t Hawaii be demoted to the status of “territory” or something?

I mean what the fuck do they even do besides host a naval base?

I'm actually kind of curious why they even got to be a state in the first place, really. I don't think they were even the closest or biggest territory at the time.

It's over friends.

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Imagine the shitstorm that would ensue when the kamahamaha pig queens were evicted along with the rest of the natives.

>Out of a total population of 600,000 in the islands and 155,000 registered voters, 140,000 votes were cast

Voter apathy

If the second amendment has not been touched since the 1700's and they defined a militia as all able-bodied men of certain ages were members of the militia, depending on the respective states rule, Then what the fuck is the confusion for?! Fucking libs wanting to disarm the citizenry and rule over us.
OVER MY DEAD BODY AND MY SPENT CASINGS!

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Why can't old people bear arms?

Because they aren't in the militia, obviously.
Women and the disabled can't either. Fuck outta here, girls, only men get to have guns.

Although, the militia definition also includes men who have declared intent to become citizens of the united states. So we should be airdropping guns and training materials into Mexico and South America to arm all our militiamen in accordance with the principles of a well regulated militia.

Important coaling port, later on just about the best mid-pacific point for resupply. In the past, filthy huge amounts of agricultural and shipping money. It's... complex. Suffice it to say that it is a dark page in America's history where they basically pulled a Crimea. Helped a coup which could not have succeeded without US military assistance to topple a regime that had stuff which, at the time, they did not like very much (letting everyone vote regardless of race, color, or creed; giving a shit about labor; etc.), and then let them be what was essentially a puppet "republic" run by agri-magnates until they'd replaced the old population with a sufficiently large ethnic majority of Americans to make integration into territorial status as bloodless and democratic-seeming a process as possible.

My feelings on the matter as a scholar who has studied the matter extensively aside, fuck these people.

>most white privileged shit ever

Why can’t they just say “liberal/democrat/j00”?

>government cannot legally have a standing army outside times of war

>So we should be airdropping guns and training materials into Mexico and South America

Ahem
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

Because the libs might feel shame at being called privileged, while they won't feel anything at being called what they self-identify as.

Yes, and? We've been at war for more years than most modern countries have even existed.

>until they'd replaced the old population with a sufficiently large ethnic majority of Americans to make integration into territorial status as bloodless and democratic-seeming a process as possible.

This is exactly what’s happening in the US and Europe right now but say it out loud and people will call you a racist conspiracy nut.

It’s an excellent precedent for ethnic replacement in a “democracy”

Jews?

>Wheras you have a right, you have a duty to rape the corpses of all gun grabbers as well as any person of fighting age who dies in defense of the constitution with a full magazine without getting a shot off into any globalist gun grabbers.

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Don't have registered guns?
Lose your guns in a boating accident?
Just don't let them take your shit, you mong.

Find them, kill them in cold blooded murder

Or don't. Trumps a hardcore Democrat for internal policy and a lazy neocon in foreign policy

Break out the tar and feathers

Collective rights are basically the gov of each state saying we can ban guns because lul the second amendment is wrong ergo a shield so they can get away with infringing on the constitution
If you wanna jew it out collective rights means we as a group have the right to ban guns without it being a constitutional problem
However here’s the problem with this bs if one state uses this shit for guns what’s to stop Georgia from saying darkies can’t vote anymore since lul the constitution was wrong bro

Have you tried turning it off, and back on again?

Nah, OP. Hawaii is based and actually doing it the correct way. All the nibbles here and there that demand carry loicenses and feature limits are unconstitutional. The only correct way to approach this issue is by challenging the amendment federally, not piecemeal over decades.

>some believe this is an individual right
Yeah, like the fucking Supreme Court, faggots.

>However here’s the problem with this bs if one state uses this shit for guns what’s to stop Georgia from saying darkies can’t vote anymore since lul the constitution was wrong bro
Jackbooted thugs in American uniforms being a ok with selective enforcement, thats what

Thanks to Social Media, if we wanted and had an organization, we could list every single one of these traitorous fucks, state by state, alma mater by alma mater, employer by employer, for everything from anti-gun activity to anti-freedom of speech and anti-freedom of association

We wouldn't have to rely on hearsay and bitchy locals, we could carry out the purges with surgical precision, a Stalinistic purge carried out with the accuracy that the USSR could only dream of.

Which is likely why access to the internet to is cheap and why all the major platforms are free to access.

Is there any chance this could backfire and the second amendment will get double-downed and become untouchable for the next decade?

>Hawaii is based and actually doing it the correct way
lol
>All the nibbles here and there that demand carry loicenses and feature limits are unconstitutional.
Hawaii has unconstitutional state laws too, they just ALSO want to repeal 2A.

I know. I've lived there. It's a lib shithole. I'm saying at least they have the courtesy to do it the right way. This, combined with the recent challenge of NFA as implementing bans as a tax, puts pressure on the law as it stands. This is good for us who want all states to be shall-issue.

>WHEREAS repealing an amendment that identifies an unalienable right, does not make that right go away
>WHEREAS the "collective right" theory doesn't make any sense
>WHEREAS the amendment clearly refers to a right of the people
>WHEREAS US v Miller is moot precedent because the government was the only side that got to present their arguments.
>BE IT RESOLVED that such a symphony of retardation could only result from long term jenkem abuse.
>As such, the legislators of Hawaii are to VACATE their positions and be REMANDED to the anal gape porn industry. IT IS SO ORDERED.

(And a repeal of 2A is NEVER going to happen. The only way grabbers win is by nibbling away the individual right guaranteed by the constitution with taxes and licenses and conditions like they've done so far.)

Start killing your government officials till they get the message.

I wonder how many watchlists you just put yourself on.

Say goodbye to your dog

>WHEREAS WHEREAS WHEREAS WHEREAS WHEREAS WHEREAS
Hey Hawaii, take your treasonous gun control and shove it up your WHEREAS.

I see a pretty big problem with their resolution. SCOTUS has already ruled that the Second Amendment is an individual right. So that kind of throws egg in their face.

Then what if Congress ultimately moves with the SCOTUS ruling and cements the idea that the 2A is not a collective right but an individual right? Think they would stick with that? I doubt it.

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They believe that the collective or the people is the government. The logic that then follows is that the second amendment guarantees the right of the people, which is really the government (a bootlicker attitude), to keep and bear arms.

Without any federal government defending them? Just everybody posting in this thread.

They're simply overplaying their hand.

We're already seeing plenty of selective enforcement of laws in the form of drug laws and complete ignoring of some laws in the form of sanctuary cities.

Their request is a sneaky way to ask for congress to make a new amendment that gives the government exclusive right to keep and bear arms.

A SCOTUS ruling can be overturned with a Constitutional Amendment. See all the old cases involving slavery; the legality of it, the status of escaped slaves, etc. All those rulings were nullified because the 13h Amendment became a thing.
Theoretically, SCOTUS saying the 2nd Amendment covers individuals wouldn't matter if a 28th Amendment was passed to repeal the 2nd. Obviously, that would never happen because Amendments require Congress to approve (2/3 voting in favor of) as well as an overwhelming majority of the States own legislatures (3/4 voting in favor of.) Over an issue like firearms ownership, you would sooner see secession if it ever looked even possible that such an Amendment would pass.

Hey hawaiiOP
Wanna go lynch the jew at district 13?
Im not serious of course but if this actually gets pushed, i hope youre ready to swiss cheese some commies.
The nogunners will die first from such intoxicating innocence.

We dont actually have gun violence problems here compared to homeless, escaped immates, and degenerates running around axing people or beating the shit out of others.

Depends on how much faith your willing to put into our current government... were fucked...

send them this

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>Let’s start with someone explaining to me what exactly a “collective right” is, because I don’t think that’s really a thing

Lefties simultaneously will screech about "muh civil rights" while denying others their constitutional rights

Because many of them are "grown ups" running on emotions. They can't understand hypocrisy, they don't understand what they're doing in the first place. The rest are those abusing this incredulous level of ignorance to their advantage.

Anti-government speech is protected by the first amendment you cucks. Christ it’s like you guys want to be tread on.

Precisely, it's about control.

this. we’ll make sure she hears us with a small nuke right in the crater

>give everyone suffrage
>get surprised when women, minirities and mentally unstable Jews vote for nanny-state shit like this

You brought this on yourself America, there’s a reason all the founders were white Anglos.

You all should have made Washington king and skipped the bullshit

Alcohol was banned in the 1920's, a lot of people died, now we have an unquestionable right to alcohol.

Marijuana is banned now, lots of people are dying, soon we will have an unquestionable right to marijuana.

Guns will be banned in the future, a LOT of people will die, the people who come after that will have an unquestionable right to guns.
It's the natural way.

>What do I do?

Nothing. Possess and concealed carry your guns illegally if need be. It is your ethical right and moral duty to ignore, circumvent and shit all over any government infringement on gun rights.

Funny how hawaii is the first state in the union to push a repeal of the 2nd amendment unlike the rest. Federally cant do it but its possible that the jew in hawaii wants rewrite the state's constitution.
What do you guys think?

>if we adopt the left's anti-white terminology and worldview, we can beat them!
Fuck off nigger lover

COWABUNGA TIME

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we specifically came here to get away from the king, you fucking dolt. white men + freedom = paradise. if you mix shit in there then its ruined. put a rat in it and nobody will go near it, except for the pieces of shit desperately hungry enough to go for the rat

Democracy eats itself in the end.

Enjoy your socialism by 2030 amerifatistan

The tree of liberty is refreshed from time to time

WA fag here, looks like its cowabunga time for you, just about that time over here too.

WHEREAS WHEREAS WHEREAS WHEREAS WHEREAS WHEREAS WHEREAS WHEREAS WHEREAS WHEREAS

My ass.

You wouldn’t even let the south keep their god-given slaves last time

You aren't wrong, this is the correct and only way to "challenge" or change an amendment, but we aren't arguing if this is the right protocol/process. We are raging at the fact they are trying to infringe on our rights to own firearms. Fuck off concern troll faggot.

nobody should be a slave. its really funny how you compare the governments subjects to "slaves" and then do a complete 180 and larp about "muh slaves".

Maybe I’m a bootlicker

I'm getting ever so tired, anons.

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then they arent very cool are they

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Fuck off nog worshipper

start stackin' fuckin bodies

This bums me the fuck out. I feel like in our lifetimes it’ll basically be no funs unless you’re in a nice fly over paradise.

What difference is calling/emailing gonna do? They fucking threw out 1300 testimonies against the gun laws being presented. Just fucking stack the bodies of every fucking commie and unionist in hawaii.

Based as fuck. Daily reminder that anyone who wants to take your gun rights away by force is not human and therefore is not entitled to humane treatment.

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Whereas being necessary to a free dildo range
Whereas we must preserve said liberties through means on conflict
Whereas the state of Hawaii has declined to partake in said liberties
Whereas this leads to other conflicts of interests
Whereas therefore being necessary for the security of a free state, Hawaii shall be expunged of its statehood

As a centricist myself, it's probably just some antisocial, cluster B shithead twisting Centre-thinking words around to justify the exploitation of a political minority. It's called off-hand self justification.

Also, the idea of collectivism is just as destructive as pure and unbalanced individualism. That's why utilitarianism is the best choice. But you can't accomplish this without genuine empathy for people. Just like comparing a supportive parent to one that either doesn't care, or is extremely possessive to the point where they literally fill the role of a dictator.

>unironically comparing the govt to parents
Cringe. Fuck off statist fag. Jow Forums is a libertarian board.

I bettcha $100 there is a Brooklyn Jew involved in construction of this legislation..

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my mixed breed jew son will fool the natives!
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