>one project is a low-flying cruise missile with a potential range of about 1,000 kilometers; the other would be a ballistic missile with a range of roughly 3,000 to 4,000 kilometers
Do you think Mr. Xi is going to be happy with Mr. Putin over how this INF mess has ended?
Why were these type of missiles banned while ICBMs were allowed to stay in service?
Jonathan Morgan
Because reptillian sulphuric lifeforms of the interstellar demon aliens variety.
Oliver Ross
ICBM launched from the US would take half an hour to reach the USSR/Russia.
But a IRBM launched from West Germany would have taken minutes to hit Moscow. Scared the Soviets enough to agree to them being banned.
Jaxon Turner
Because ICBM's are under strategic control within a nation's borders.
IRBM's were being forward deployed to germany and given to generals to use on the assumption they would follow the rules given to them. These nuclear weapons were being mixed in with conventional and chemical forces.
Tl:dr - IRBM's increase the chance of a nuclear weapon being used tactically which can spiral out of control.
Ethan Murphy
there was also the issue of local sabotage or "appropriation", the US fixed it with their gravity bombs by designing better PALs and designing the bombs to be tamper-resistant, but it's quite hard to design a huge missile to be safe from being fired
Chase Ramirez
They better be designated Pershing 3 One of if not the best looking ballistic missiles
Deploy IRBM's in poland. Ensure first strike capability on russia.
Nathaniel Jones
And Japan.
Hunter Rodriguez
China has the most to be pissed about. Only the US were following the rules. Russia at least had to try to look like they are following them. China didn't even have to do that, and has plenty of IRBMs deployed.
Mason Anderson
Ill be honest. Even seeing some of the retarded decision making officers can make first hand, I would trust any general with nukes before donald "why dont we just nuke syria?" Trump.
Jace Peterson
>Why were these type of missiles banned while ICBMs were allowed to stay in service?
It was a deescalation agreement to stop a mexican standoff.
Kayden Myers
Anyone who thinks the US leaving the INF treaty was actually about Russia hasn't been paying attention to the western pacific.
Lucas Wood
>REEEEE
Carter Reyes
Deploy these in taiwan, poland, the baltic states, and japan. Completely eliminate the possibility of russian and chinese first strike chances.
Who gives a fuck its not like the europes will let us base them anywhere. or japan or sk.
Justin Ross
Poland will let the US do whatever, they don't give a shit
Camden Martinez
>Why were these type of missiles banned while ICBMs were allowed to stay in service?
Because IRBMs in western service threatened the USSR from turkey and germany. and Soviet IRBMs were very mobile and could wipe out all of western europe because we could never track them all down.
Both sides got something when they went down.
Jose Phillips
Probably one of these that are used as targets in BMD tests.
So now chinks and russkies will deploy their IRBM to Cuba. Nice.
Landon Reyes
Can someone translate this into english?
Nathaniel Cox
Desculpa amigo, pero onions de california e no hablo bien nuestra secunda lingua
Adrian Gutierrez
Su madre el sucko my ballsos
Easton Perez
This just seems silly after they started putting warheads on submarines. The cat has been out of the bag for a long time.
Joseph Smith
mutts' logic >There is no way China can catch up with our "jet engines" because of decades of "know-how" >we can catch up with their IRBM development after decades of neglect because muh freedom
Ian Rodriguez
>Do you think Mr. Xi is going to be happy with Mr. Putin over how this INF mess has ended?
i dont see the problem if they can create an icbm pretty sure they can make an icbm
They already have IRBMs. The problem is now the US will have them too and can use them to cuck the everliving shit out of Winnie the Poohs dreams of expansion. I hope we do what we did in the Cold War and give discretion to fire the things at a tactical level, good bye Chink first strike advantage.
Christopher Rivera
how exactly irbm's will stop china from expanding?
are you one of those that think usa will directly attack another nuclear power?
Jose Green
I M P R E S S I V E Q U A N T U M
Tyler Collins
Seems like the US never had to catch up if its already testing a ballistic missile this year.
Jose James
How many will it take for China to have to start spending serious amounts of cash on ABM?
Alexander Barnes
I hadn't realized how much larger the F-106 was over the F-102.
Evan Lewis
Mmm. Fuckme eyes of truth.
Grayson Smith
This user get's it. What are the odds a communist country falls for it again?
US IRBMs wont change anything. China will completely destroy all US bases that are situated on small islands, while the large chinese mainland will protect China's dispersed assets.
And if the US thinks about using their IRBMs to attack Chinese civilian targets, look forward to the complete end of the No First Use and Minimum Deterrence policy for Chinese nuclear weapons.
Joseph Clark
>China already spends on ABM.
Can you even name it?
Eli Powell
>look forward to the complete end of the No First Use and Minimum Deterrence policy for Chinese nuclear weapons. China has nowhere near enough ICBMs for MAD to be a consideration That's an extremely bad idea for them.
Kevin Gray
300% likely, if for no other reason than "not looking weak"
Bet we can goad them into it.
Jackson King
>Looks guys! I brought up Trump again!
Kevin Brown
Kek. Who's feeding you the figures on Chinese ICBMs?
Henry Harris
US DOD and DIA, and China itself saying "among the nuclear-weapon states, China ... possesses the smallest nuclear arsenal," Chang, you literally don't have enough plutonium to make more than a couple hundred warheads. And not all of those warheads are ICBM capable
The point is that the special needs people in Washington had no foresight until it was already too late.
Daniel Rivera
>Bankrupt China using "Star Wars 2: Return of the Space Lasers" Do it
James Edwards
Son I don't think you understand how MAD works
Ryder Brooks
>abm meme
when you will realise that its a waste of time? if any ABM had any amount of success neither russia or usa would have created literall nukes for their last line of defence in order to elliminate other nukes
Asher Thompson
dude australia sold to china a fucking aircraft carrier with much of the tech on it still intact
Brody White
>if any ABM had any amount of success neither russia or usa would have created literall nukes for their last line of defence in order to elliminate other nukes
ABM's do work. which is why Both Russia and the US agreed to limit their deployment for 30 years to only two sites and 100 missiles.
As for needing nukes as a last line of defence, THAAD, SM3 and GMD all use hit to kill warheads.
Chase Wood
name one system that had more than 50% success FROM ANYONE against icbm's
Lucas Flores
>the system has to be a one shot kill to be effective.
THAAD hasn't failed a test since 1999
GMD hasn't missed since 2012 since new upgrades were brought in. Not that it matters because this is testing before the missile enters service.
Eli Walker
thaad hasnt been tested on a single icbm user only on mrbm and irbm so far plus it has failed quite a lot
Ethan Rodriguez
THAAD is still able to intercept an ICBM if it's located more or less on the target area.
Jaxson Anderson
thaad isnt FAST ENOUGH for this kind of job user the only way someone can stop a fucking icbm is on the initial stages before the second stage separation happens and reentry begins
once the payload reach its apogee its all over the YAL1 was made with that in mind but they quickly realise that no one on earth can provide the energy requirements for it to work properly
Austin Young
>it's about nukes
No. the original cold war ban was about nukes, but the modern benefits to the US of repealing the ban come from using conventional IRBMs against China.
Angel Davis
The ABL worked fine in boost phase and carried enough energy for many shots. The problem was loitering too near to the launch site.
Hunter Thomas
There is also the fact that using nukes to shoot down nukes will leave you blind after the first intercept.
Thomas Bennett
exactly my point it had to be in less than 150km from the target if it needs to be lets say in the middle of the atlantic that shit will need a fusion reactor to power up a single shot if ever
Kayden Campbell
Not necessarily. Submarine you don't know the world is over, and if you're under attack, you don't shoot a nuke at another sub.
I don't know how these missiles work, if it requires launch codes, or you just put in coordinates and Joe turns the key and presses a button. Either way, a general being enveloped by the enemy may use his nuke defensively, in a state of panic, to prevent being overrun. There's a lot more emotion and rash acts in a land battle.
Benjamin Robinson
Time to target. The US and UK didn't really care because their deterrents could survive a first strike, but continental NATO members were very upset that they couldn't do anything, so that lead to the development and deployment of the Pershing 2 and GLCM. The GLCM had the benefit of being hard to detect its launch and hard to detect in the air and the Pershing was fast and a MARV. The US benefitted far more from INF than the USSR did.
Cooper Cox
>don't pay attention to trends
Angel Martin
>metrics when it comes to the end game must taken into account
>Cramming more shit onto Guam Or we could put the missiles on platforms that can actually survive an attack. Like a sub or a plane that can be based anywhere. You know, the things we already have.
We need to remove Duterte, though I wonder if the PRC could install anti-missile defenses in the South China Sea.
How much can we pay the Japanese to use Okinawa?
Caleb Kelly
Shut up, the both of you.
Jack Smith
We pay by guaranteeing their sovereignty and that anyone who attacks Japan attacks America.
Levi Parker
>not chiding all three
Oliver Ortiz
How will this IRBM stop the invasion?
Dylan Phillips
Of Taiwan? China moving assets inland will no longer make them safe from attack.
Jacob Flores
Of the US. Who gives a fuck about Taiwan and Chinks when we're being conquered.
Carter Brooks
.50 social credits have been deposited in your account.
Grayson Sanchez
t. buttmad beaner
Anthony Ward
P O O I N T H E L O O S U P E R P O W E R
Jeremiah Roberts
5 Rupees where deposited into your terracotta bowl.
Parker Perry
If you are going to bump the thread at least make it a sequitur.
Juan Wright
That's a weird way to say jew
Jonathan Parker
ABMs do not work as required. The GMD or something has a 50% intercept rate for 2 missiles. The treaty was signed to limit an ABM arms race, not because it posed any real threat to MAD. >missile tests Literally canned exercises with non-manuvuering targets and the trajectory pre set so the ABM is in the optimal position.
Probably not, because it's a start to bridging a capability gap in East Asia (that we ignored in favor 20 years of fucking around in the ME). For the longest time, it was the US and allies like Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea under the shadow of NK and Chinese IRBMs - which are great for neutralizing airfields.
Now, we'll be able to answer back with the deterrent of instant sunshine - instead of needlessly kneecapping ourselves for something that wasn't even really be followed by anyone that we actually wanted to comply with it.
Liam Anderson
>that we ignored in favor 20 years of fucking around in the ME
Are you even aware of what the INF treaty was?
Nolan Thompson
That we ignored the growing Chinese rocket threat in the Pacific.
Robert Parker
>we
If the US ignored it we would still be in the INF treaty.
Ryder Cook
it has literally 0 intercepts against icbm's it simply too slow to keep up unless you somehow gonna convince us that a mach 9 missile is able to catch up with a mach 20-22 fucking missile at which point you are not only breaking the rules of physics but you are going to a laughing stock
Jordan Bell
didnt you said the same thing for georgia and ukraine?
Jaxon Carter
The US based more ships and aircraft in the Pacific in response to the Chinese, not immobile and vulnerable ground based missiles. Withdrawing from the INF was pure posturing.
Ayden Edwards
>intercepting a missile coming at you is actually chasing it down
And what does withdrawing from the INF treaty allow the US to do?
Parker Sullivan
US troops are stationed in Georgia and Ukraine?
Andrew Cook
nothing. There is no where to base those IRBMs near China except for Guam. However, that also means China can get rid of them in an event of a war. They are worthless
Joseph Gomez
physics 101
thaad has x2 lower relative velocity thaad has x3 lower relative speed
at least try to sound reaonable instead of shitposting