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Is Jow Forums filled with Jow Forumsommandos willing to ass rape the ATF or is everybody here going to lose their guns in a boating accident forever

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Please go away Mr. Lawman

You first

1000$ a month would simplify certain welfare programs. And unemployment benefits.

Exactly.

it would also erase the value of $1000

But now you can use that thousand to start your last fire to heat in your trash bin before freezing to death.

Heh.
Already happening. And various other forms of welfare already have that effect.

1k is probably too damned much desu, 500$, literally half that, assuming it holds is current worth, would be sufficient to cover the typical foodstamp allotment for a single adult with a couple hundred to spare. Difference would be that unlike Foodstamps, you would still pay taxes on purchased food. It would also totally eliminate the Cell Phone programs and their necessity, since you could pick up a phone at the dollar store and do prepaid every month.

The remainder would go to rent or into their vehicle for most people. Its apparently more palatable than just fucking paying people a decent wage and not raping the economy of society until costs of living are absurd bullshit. Walmart only posts the profits they do because a massive chunk of their workforce is on EBT of other assistance.

But then, when its completely your money, you can save it up for future rough times. Like durong labor strikes.

The real issue isnt the inflation, its that it completes the cycle of Romanesque serfdom and apathy.

I'd rather have $1000 worth of tax cuts, and then just murder some worthless programs and agencies.
The ATF doesn't need my money, for instance.

Never wait for the doorbell to ring.
Once it starts, all killings after the first one are free.
KILLING A Communist isn't murder.
That is preemptive self defense.

im over 50, and have had a good run. come and try to take it.
also yang is 100% shariablue. not that any of you cock smokers vote anyway, but if any of you do, i hope you get everything you deserve for your treason.
god i hate kids today

This.

Also, $1k a month for everybody is currently, $3.94 trillion a year (not even including illegals).

How would that, in addition to all the current programs get paid for? By taxing the the living shit out of everybody.

It would also massively devalue the dollar (Zimbabwe anyone?)

>astroturfing
How much did Yang pay you, faggot?

yang shills are unironically shills or retards that fell for the shilling

>which two libertarian economists endorsed the negative income tax

No yangbux unless you sign off of other welfare programs, user. That's a 2 trillion savings up front, plus a VAT to make up the rest.

>t. boomer who lived in an economy with better-than-bux benefits and wants to keep social security for themselves

Socialism is cool when you do it, but Austrian economics are bad when zoomers do it.

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Hold one how much will the 1000 dollars cost in total?

Well, social security is pretty much destined to fail as the majority of boomers retire. Hell, I’m sure a lot of the boomers who just retired aren’t getting what they were promised

I'm willing to go all out if the government knocks on my door to confiscate my guns. I'd be happy to die defending my rights against an infinite number of atf, swat and military. go out like a man

Lol if you think there's Dem support to trade UBI for welfare programs. Indigents would keep what they have now and get an extra 1000 a month, and you'll pay for it

The fuckers got me in a bind, I have young children at home and a firefight would be bad.

the whole yang thing is just a meme. nobody with half a brain would vote for him.

train them, faggot.

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>limited amount of jobs in society
>every large company uses army of part timers
>doesn't pay benefits or enough to support themselves
>all their workers making up the difference in government benefits
>tax the middle class for those benefits
>pit the middle class against the poor
>accuse anyone who faults megacorps for not increasing their wages of being a commie
>executives make billions
>executives could cut back to only making millions and increase the wage for their workers
>frame that scenario as an attack on the middle class to rile up conservatives
>liberals propose insane alternatives like UBI and more middle class taxes
>Proles and Outer Party keep dancing while the Inner Party laughs on their piles of billions
Land of the free :(

they got you with the “make white babies” meme, assuming youre not another spic nigger posting here. you are effectively neutralized.

>he thinks government programs are cut
>he thinks he won't be paying more than he's receiving

he's said about 10 million things that would get him tossed out of the Dem primary, and his talking points are so amateurish its astounding

He has less of a shot than Lawrence Lessig did in 2016. Remember him? No?

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Oh, so the dollar was devalued to Zimbabwe levels when we spent trillions on our sandbox adventures?

even if people were aware of that they would still vote for the 1k to get that new purse or sack of weed. nobody cares about the future, only what best suits them in the moment.

>passes gun control before UBI
pshht nothing personnel round eye

>having a family is a meme
do you think Francis Marion had kids? The Marquis de Lafayette? Light-Horse Harry Lee?

whats even the point of fighting if you don't have someonet to fight for

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>equating government spending with flushing the economy with redistributed wealth
>ignoring the inevitable price controls that will follow to keep $1000 = $1000
This is your brain on 1%

It's ok when boomers and jews do it, user!

>equating government spending with flushing the economy with redistributed wealth

Who is Milton Keynes

>VAT
>increasing the cost of most items
>implying this won't be pushed to disproportionately affect the price of firearms and ammo
>hoping people spend more than the $1000 a month to make up the difference instead of saving it

Retard tier.

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This.

So basically the same thing republicans have been trying and failing to do for the past 50 years?

>the government gives you 1000 but calls it yangbucks
I cry
>the government gives you 1000 but calls it trumpcuts
I happy

hmmm

Well, yeah. That's sort of what happens when one party gets elected, cuts some taxes, and then few years later the other party starts a new program and raises taxes.

Tax cuts aren't "giving" me money you retarded zoomer. Tax cuts mean I get to keep the money I earn and not have it redistributed to communist faggots like you.

>do you think these guys who lived in an era of large, close families and tightknit communities that could take care of their people while they fight had kids

Fuck you give me $1000

At least we're being honest now.

UBI is a libertarian/Austrian idea invented by Hayek and Friedman based on the fact that they're the same input/output numbers on a government account sheet.

Boomers have no problem redistributing social security money. But treat American citizens like stock holders born into our grand corporation instead of energy feed for the old, and suddenly you're puritans.

Trump has managed to get some tax cuts. If the rest of the republican party wasn't sucking dick with vacuum cleaner in 2016 we would have gotten the wall already.

>UBI is a Libertarian/Austrian idea

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It's almost like you guys don't know how an economy works. That being said, the bank bailout and not letting the housing market crash was a mistake.

>he doesn't know
>libertarianism.org/columns/why-did-hayek-support-basic-income
>www.econlib.org/library/Enc1/NegativeIncomeTax.html

Leave it to boomers to call Capitalism and Freedom a commie book.

Explain to me how redistribution of wealth is a libertatian/austrian idea

How is having a family a meme? What’s the point of fighting if not for your family and fellow man, who you can’t contribute to if you don’t have kids

>implying Hayek wasn't a socialist

>Giving Free shit, that's either someone elses money or inflated currency
>Freedom and Capitalism
As for your links, every now and then someone smart says something retarded, and just because X thing is said by the proponent of Z doesn't mean that what is said fits with X.

>Kids is Bad
Hey Juden

>youtube.com/watch?v=LNffhKX4KC8

Read the books or watch the youtube archives of the interviews before you claim to be smarter and more capitalist than multiple Nobel winners.

I'm against social security too. Fuck off with your strawmen.

I. Want. The. Government. To. Spend. Less. Money.

How is that hard to understand?

t. nigger

UBI and VAT reward savers, tax consumers, and reduce bureaucracy. Why do you oppose replacing Social Security and welfare with a streamlined program that favors workers over welfare queens and communist retirees?

maybe some people just want to defeat those who would enjoy having them enslaved

How about instead of replacing shit with shit we just remove everything and reduce government spending to Defense, Infrastructure, Utility and Police.

>thinking you'll get your shekels before he tries to grab
FOOLISH FOOL

I don't want these programs at all. I don't want them replaced. I want them gone. I don't need to be rewarded for saving. I just want the govt to not extort me.

Now you're going to an extreme you know isn't politically possible in order to deflect criticism of your Social Security money. How much do you make or expect to make? I guarantee it's more than a thousand.

Except redistributive schemes aren't capitalist where capital is being redistributed.

>Now you're going to an extreme
We've gotten to the point where wanting the government to only do the things it's decent at is extreme.
>of your Social Security money
I don't give a single shit about it. If I could I would give it all up in exchange for less taxes.

Goddamn that reminds me, I’ve been shitposting on r9k for the past couple days about how they were losers and that they would never do anything with their lives, but they actually went ahead and proved my shitposts right. I jave never seen a larger congregation of sad hopeless people in one place. I wanna feel bad but some of the posts were so hoplessly pathetic, it became funny

Abolishing taxes is Marxism, user.

80% of the people who claim they will fight the ATF will just roll over and turn in their guns, 19.5% will attempt to lie and get caught, and .5% will manage to inflict zero casualties before getting ventilated

Here's the way I see it: The only things I actually care about in life are my dog, family, friends, and toys. If they're coming full NKVD at me I'm losing all of those things: LET'S ROLL FAGGOTS!

Congratulations you bullied literal retards.

Remember when people were trying to crowdfund the wall? I wish all govt funding worked that way. I'll contribute if I think the initiative is worthwhile, or I won't.

>wages are capital

oof

I'd say you were a communist, but I doubt you're educated enough.

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Retards deserve to be bullied though

No they don't, those that are physically unable of better should not be chastised for it.

>implying the government is decent at war

Incrementalism wins, and UBI is an incremental reduction of bureaucracy. If you prefer virtue signalling about government free zones (the mythical "true" communism that never arrives) you have no serious political platform.

I dunno m8 what happens if gun confiscation force comes up
>spend money to stock up or to hire mercs to fight feds

so they wont even need to nationalize the police or call in the dozen other federal agencies much less the national guard or regular army? thats what i figured as well.

Gun confiscation forces (the ATF) already exist.

no theyll treat it like red flag laws, theyll take your guns and not give you a criminal record. you just wont get them back. and youll give them up because the only punishment is losing your guns.

>implying the government is decent at war
Show me a war not won by a government.
>Incrementalism wins
No it doesn't. Only thing that has been winning is the slippery slope for the commies and hard reactionism from the right.
>If you prefer virtue signalling about government free zones
I didn't know stating the truth, the fact that I don't want social security is virtue signaling. Or wanting less government programs is the same as creating a commune.
You can call what ever you want communism or libertarianism but this asinine gas lighting will get you nowhere.
Especially when you are trying to do so to support a no name candidate running against a 1st term president going for his second, when his opposition party is both retarded and suffering a schism.

Bold of you to assume everyone on k owns guns

I'm not talking about the gun part.

I would save up 1k a month and buy a BTR-80

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You seem to be under the impression that gun confiscation is merely the loss of property. It's actually repression of a natural right. My property may not be worth defending with my life, but my rights are.

That jpg is so crusty it makes cum rags seem silky.

Property is a right.

Well, yeah that's true too.

>not wanting to split the dems further
>not using accelerationism to pressure trump out of the center into the right

What do you think incrementalism is, user?

>Show me a war not won by a government.

So you admit the government is decent at some things. Have you heard the joke about Churchill haggling over prices?

>What do you think incrementalism is, user?
Trump is already right wing. He is a bit left of Paleocon. Problem has been the Senate republicans and now that the House is owned by the dems.
>So you admit the government is decent at some things
I already stated what it's good at you fruit.

>treason
>an actual boomer complaining about ‘the kids these days’
The future is now old man

>taking someone's capital and giving it to someone else is not a redistributive scheme
Big cringe, buckalucko. I don't give a shit about your mental gymnastics, capital is understood to mean material wealth in the modern day, not just what you can leverage to make more money(which your wages, your earnings, the fruits of your labor, your money which can be invested into either personal infrastructure or speculatively is anyway)

I wish this happened.

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>Trump is already right wing.
oof

>Trump is already right wing. He is a bit left of Paleocon.
He's a classic business dem, stop shilling.

>Reduced taxes, wants to do it further
>Strong foreign policy
>Wants to reduce government spending as much as possible
What's next. Opposing illegal immigration is left wing?

>light horse Harry lee
>literally left his son Robert E. Lee to be raised by a single mother and the church
Fuck Harry

No!!!! Don't do it user the Neko did nothing wrong!

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>Trump is right-wing

He's only right wing in the sense of everyone else being farther left. His positions are no different from Bill Clinton's in 1990.

>Trump is the same as AWB, give the gooks and the norks all the free money, bomb serbia and muh Programs Clinton

>muh "free" money
why do you fags want to embolden the welfare state even harder even more than it already is?
Remove SS and medicaid, fuck boomers and fuck niggers.

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Bumpstock ban, backing red flag laws, and not actually doing anything about illegal immigration (it's all rhetoric and showboating). He's a stooge.