Arctic war

What would an arctic invasion of North America from Russia look like, and vice versa? What kind of hurdles would have to be overcome to make it possible? How difficult would it be logistically? Would it even possible at all?

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Lots of ice breakers, bombers, ICBM's and people clad completely in white taking potshots at each other.

Probably just taking one American island because Americans woudn't start a nuclear war over an Island. Americans can't take one Russian island though because Russians would start a nuclear war over it.

They'd be more likely to attempt take-over of Canada's northern territories.

Just take Little Diomede to humiliate Americans because they are not going to start a nuclear war over it.

any conventional war in the arctic would be dominated by the Russians. They surround half of it, are the only country with a large scale arctic military and industrial capabilities. On top of that they have nearly half of the worlds icebreakers and have functional infrastructure and rail lines that would provide a massive leg up in logistics. As a Canadian who has written a few policy papers on this, I'm sad to say that our arctic fleet and the military is meant to assert basic sovereignty whereas the Russian are fully capable of full power protection into the region. I don't think the U.S. fairs that much better than us.

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Do you think it's reasonable to say the Russians could land at Canada?

They could definitely cripple Canada's arctic fleet if they were caught off guard. The new ice breakers that Canadian navy has purchased are built almost purely for anti submarine warfare, with the rest of Canada's fleet being warm water. An invasion would be important to seize airfields, radar posts and the such, but it would not be a realistic way to launch a full scale land invasion of NA as the Canadian arctic is so far removed from any major population centres.

While possible, I wouldn't bet on it ever happening

Not him, but absolutely yes.
They like playing this cat & mouse game where they send bombers into our airspace that then have to be escorted by our interceptors back to Russia...

It would be extremely chilly

What about America though? Wouldn't they help from Alaska?

Russia wouldn't invade unless they knew they were either not going to get retaliation or because they know they can take and hold the territory.
The US has signed so many treaties to defend countries all over the world that it wouldn't take much for them to have their hands full (like defending SK and Japan from China, maybe?).

This sounds like a badass setting, what MW3 should’ve been

Russia has the clear geographic, land and sea superiority in the Arctic right now, with the U.S. maybe being able to contest them in the air. Planes from the Thule and Eielson Air Force Base would cause some serious headaches for Ruskies, but if they made landfall there wouldn't be much else to stop them.

Not unlikely for a portion of WW3 to be fought in the Arctic.

Imagine how badass a current world war would be...
>Ukraine style fighting all over Central Europe and Scandinavia
>huge guerrilla uprisings in South America
>African proxy wars between the US, France, and China
>arctic war with Russia
>island hopping campaign in the China sea
>apocalyptic warfare in Korea
>jungle fighting in South east Asia against commie and muzzie guerrillas
>Israeli front opening again
>huge naval battles
This is the war we’ve been dreaming of

those sound like a bunch of isolated wars completely unrelated to one another, and almost certainly won't happen in the near future
>What South American rebels would rise up? What is their motivation?
>Who would be fighting in South East Asia, and again why?
>Israel's neighbours have largely dropped the whole Palestine thing and developing economic ties, so what would they gain fighting them again?
>Conventional Naval battles have proven to be a thing of the past in the era of aircraft, subs and drones
Keep dreaming you Modern Warfare fanfic and maybe when you ready learn about reality

So, we can say, if the Russians launch a suprise attack and are able to land at Canada before American can amass any significant amount of forces in Alaska, then they are there to stay? That sounds about right.

The only problem is supply lines. Once the war has started, you can bet that Alaska will become one big military base. Even if we assume that they wouldn't launch a land attack on the Russians in Canada , they would certainly fill the Arctic sky with fighters. Not sure how Russia could overcome that obstacle to keep their spearhead supplied.

He is probably assuming a WW1/WW2 style conflict where alliances cause a chain reaction of conflicts outside of the place where it originally started.

None of those alliance make any sense though, just because the major powers get involved, it doesn't mean that the whole world will necessarily follow suit. Just look at South America and Africa in World War 1 & 2, the only battles fought there were between great powers with limited local support. Small countries off in their own corner of the globe often have very little to gain from direct conflict in foreign wars.

The real question would be why? Their slog across Canada to reach a significant population center would make the effort costly and worthless.

Canada has more than 50% of the Earth's fresh water, a fuckton of trees, uranium, hydrocarbons, etc.

>hat would an arctic invasion of North America from Russia look like, and vice versa? What kind of hurdles would have to be overcome to make it possible? How difficult would it be logistically? Would it even possible at all?
Yawn. Instead of masturbating to bullshit neocon propaganda, why don't you ask how to STOP THE ACTUAL INVASION THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR FUCKING DECADES, from the SOUTH, you stupid idiot?

Because its at least possible to do so. There is no other way Russia can attack Northern America. To attack across the atlantic would mean taking Europe, which is obviously impossible, and if they tried to attack from the Pacific the US Navy would make short work of them before they could even make it to open sea.

The Arctic on the other hand provides an actual viable attack route. Its still not realistic, but at least they have a chance.

Because thats not a military invasion, its a migration. Words have meanings dumdum

SAME FUCKING OUTCOME you dumb nigger.
At the end, you're CONQUERED! Doesn't matter how you do it.
Anyway, fuck you and your stupid thread, idiot goy.

Imagine fighting in this war. It would be like the Russian winter of WW2 except worse

I did state earlier that I wanted that to be the campaign for MW3, so it’s very clearly not reality

yeah theyll land on Baffin Island and arrest all 4000 inuit on the entire island, and then promptly freeze to death.

yeah, the chance to walk 3000km to the nearest city. There’s literally one highway up there to civilization, and it relies on an Ice Road during the winter to use. I’d love to see a half million russians starve to death and turn to cannibalism on the McKenzie delta once NORAD sinks every supply convoy, if icebergs don’t first.

Did you read the post you're responding to?

Wargamed this situation as well as I possibly could. The intention was to figure out best practices for a guerrilla force that landed in Canada on "holiday" or diplomatic cover and walked across the border into the US with a rifle and wearing a day-glo vest, and best practices for fighting that same force.

Tried to account for every police officer, first responder, security guard, and park ranger in the country (guerrillas fight the cops, not the military), and the most sensible number of men needed to just start an attack is 250,000 men, which is impossible to hide.

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>Tried to account for every police officer, first responder, security guard, and park ranger in the country
That doesn't make sense though. You don't attack the entire country all at once.

The UK has 4 Ice Breakers

reminder that as further ice caps melt it will reveal valuable oil thus causing the arctic wars

If Russia was smart, it would seize Banks Island, Inuvik region, Queen Elizabeth Islands, Victoria Island and Ellesmere Island to prevent the North-West passage being used in the future in the region.

Most important of all is Banks Islands with Inuvik region and QE Islands being of secondary importance and the other islands mentioned are just to make any other NW passages impossible.

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A bump and some more info. If Banks Island is taken, the Russians can also place some RS-26 IRBM/short range ICBM's to have an alternative to Cuba/Venezuela if they wanted to threaten the US with IRBM's/short range ICBM's.

A squadron of MiG-31's and TU-22M3's armed with KH-47 Khinzals can also take out the ABM's stationed in Alaska.

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It’d look like a shitload of dead Russian in the arctic circle, leaving the world scratching their heads wondering why they’d attempt such a thing.

Dont you have a manifesto that needs work?

>What would an arctic invasion of North America from Russia look like, and vice versa?
Nothing because it's never going to happen.
>Would it even possible at all?
No.