Why the actual fuck are double barreled shotguns so fucking expensive compared to pump and semi auto shotguns...

Why the actual fuck are double barreled shotguns so fucking expensive compared to pump and semi auto shotguns? Not counting ones that are all pretty, I see no fucking reason why a side by side or over/under should be more than $300

Attached: CF8D1C2F-B91C-4FAE-8502-F7A6F1883C03.jpg (1000x640, 37K)

>twice the barrel material
Receivers and other internal parts can be cast or MIM'd, or made out of aluminum or other non-steel alloys. barrels HAVE to be forged steel. So you have twice the material cost, and twice the labor, in the most critical component.
>barrels have to be regulated
Some schmuck has to boresight them individually to the same point of impact at a set distance.
>barrels have to be affixed to each other
And they can't be welded, due to the amount of contact area, they have to be silver soldered. So now you're adding in a fair amount of a semiprecious metal.

The barrel has always been the most expensive part.

interdasting, so they can’t just make two barrels out of one mold?

>mold
Are you fucking retarded?

some russian shotties , like toz or baikal are pretty cheap tho.

Attached: 62013.jpg (1024x768, 114K)

A fuckload of really precise and delicate engineering goes into forging those two barrels, then making sure they have a single point of impact, then joining them together.

With pumps and semis there isn't a single part of the gun that takes the kind of man-hours needed to get the barrels on a SxS or O/U of even a cheap shitty Stoeger dialed.

They're also humongous pieces of crap that used the absolute cheapest materials and methods possible to make something that probably won't blow up within its expected usable lifespan, manufactured in a country with literally-sweatshop-tier labor prices.

Also they aren't regulated well if at all, it's quite common for the barrels to have wildly differing points of impact.

You mean like machine 2 barrels out of 1 billet? Sure, they could do that. I suspect it would triple the cost, though.

he might be. However i wonder if it would be possible to mould some kind of lightweight alloy frame with fixed barrel spacing, then mount pair of thin-sided cheap barrels inside. Something like oversized version of pic related.

>They're also humongous pieces of crap that used the absolute cheapest materials and methods possible to make something that probably won't blow up within its expected usable lifespan, manufactured in a country with literally-sweatshop-tier labor prices.

Have you ever used russian shotgun? Yeah, they are not sniper rifles, they are heavy and are not very fancy, the wood is cheap, but the steel is pretty damn good, and there's a lot of it. Their lifespan could be literally measured in centuries, these things are extremely reliable and built like tanks.

>Why are rolls royces more expensive than toyota corollas

Why can't this all be done with a CNC? The barrel itself shouldn't be any more expensive than any other shotgun barrel.

>Mold

What? Barrels have to be lathed and drilled, dummy. Thus why they cost so much. It's one of the most hands-on parts of manufacturing a firearm, and always has been.

The improvement of barrels to modern standards at the turn of the 20th century is on par with the development of man-portable automatics in importance.

Yes I have, I owned 2 of them at different points, a Baikal MP310 O/U and a Baikal MP210 SxS. The receivers are cast, and they're poorly cast. There's burrs and gouges everywhere. The inside of the action looks like someone freehanded the parts with a chinesium Dremel-knockoff rotary tool. The barrels are VISIBLY out of alignment, they'll be hitting 10+ feet apart at 30 yards. The triggers are heavy and gritty, even by shotgun standards which are universally crap compared to even bad rifle triggers, and both of the ones I've handled (which were NIB) would frequently fail to reset and fire the top barrel. The MP210's barrels also separated from each other after less than 300 rounds, and it cost more to have them re-soldered than I paid for the gun. Also their chokes weren't even remotely close to their stated tightness, and the right barrel on the MP210 was short-chambered and wouldn't fit most brands of 2 3/4" shells despite being marked as a 76mm chamber.

They're literally worse made than a Khyber Pass gun.

You got fuckinemons my dude. Ive had half a dozen of each go through the shoo and they were all decent midrange guns as far as quality goes

Two barrels costs more than a single barrel, einstein.

cnc arent magic
making 2 barrels regulated to hit the same spot is time consuming. barrels are tapered. its not like its 2 perfect cylinders you just stick together.

>You got fuckinemons
>go through the shoo
Maybe if you could lay off the krokodil for 20 minutes you'd see that they're not as nice as you think they are.

1. The machining is complicated AF
2. The mechanism, especially for o/u and hammerless, is complicated AF (pic related)
3. The higher-end models are hand-fitted and only the basic parts are milled and forged. Most of them as well have very strict tolerances.
4. Shotguns like these, especially the o/u, are either primarily used for "sport hunting" in sporting resorts and skeet/trap shooting. As such these are marketed to the upper-class crowd and thus demand more money. However, they are much better designed, machined, finished, and tested compared to the lower end models for this specific niche market. Comparing a high-end s/s to a something like TOZ-63 is like comparing a Lamborghini to a Toyota- your $3,000 Axis is going to outperform a $400 Tristar 99 times out of 100 but the Tristar doesn't kill your wallet.

Attached: axis-12.jpg (1135x803, 221K)

They do that already. Cheap stack barrels use a monoblock for the Chambers and the barrels are brazed on. Makes it cheaper and quicker to build, but still fairly complicated. The seams are readily apparent if you look just ahead of the chamber section of the barrel.

Retard who doesn’t understand economics and manufacturing

Less shots doesn’t equal cheaper

Every single thing about a double barrel shotgun is harder and takes longer to make than a pump action or semi. Combine that with having less demand and bam, you get a more expensive product.

STOP TALKING RIGHT NOW AND GO THROUGH THE SHOO!

A pump or semi is simple as fuck, you just have a simple receiver, barrel stuck on the front, mag strapped under it, a fairly simple bolt and fire mechanism, and a stock screwed onto the back. Everything can be mass machined and put together with little fitting.

A break action naturally has to have a decent bit of precise fitting to work properly, two barrels stuck together requires a bit of work to get them hitting the same place. The firing mechanisms inside the receiver can be quite complicated especially if it has ejectors and a single trigger.

One is significantly harder to make, therefore is more expensive