How can anyone consider this the best tank of WW2?

>>idiots claim it invented sloped armor despite it being prevalent on 1930s French tanks
Best part is that it is essentially an uparmored BT-7 with a bigger gun. Then you get reminded that the BT-7 was a Soviet adoption of the Christie tank..... designed by an American.

>anyway, it was the pershing
If the Pershing was being manufactured in England or France then "maybe". Problem is that they couldn't be easily shipped across the Atlantic and required a crane for offloading. If I remember right they figured it was some 6 Sherman variants for every 2 Pershing they could ship and the Sherman could simply drive off most places while the Pershing only had I believe two locations they could be craned off.

It just wasn't logistically viable for a nation having to ship stuff over an ocean during a war.

From the earlier thread:
operationbarbarossa.net/the-t-34-in-wwii-the-legend-vs-the-performance/#The T-34’s Performance in 1942
>>The T-34 must be the only tank in history rated as the best in the world in the same year it lost three or four for every enemy AFV destroyed.

Somebody can consider the t 34 a good tank because the base design was good but the fact that it was made by a communist country make it awful and with the same build quality of a trash bin

What exactly are they referring to as far as racism?

youtube.com/watch?v=2m4SCUaBHS8

The campaign, which portrays;
>NKVD executing Soviet soldiers
>NKVD executing officers who fail to take objectives
>Protagonist works with Polish partisan leader, only to see said leader executed by the NKVD because can't have polish nationalism
>Brings up Stalin's purges

Basically the game included the shitty things the Soviets did to their own people and apparently vatniks don't like that.

Basically, the game portrait the Soviets as ruthless and cruel even to its own people instead of the glorious liberator.

>Scorched earth tactics
>Portrayed as flamerthrowering families in their home

Keep crying, Yuri

>idiots claim it invented sloped armor despite it being prevalent on 1930s French tanks
Even before, Confederate Ironclads had it as well as did other things.

But yes, whoever claims the T-34 invented sloped armor (tons of people do) immediately outs himself as being either a fucking clueless idiot or an actual vatnik.

so, fairly accurately then?

Because being a russiaboo is a fad these days

best WW2 tank from 1939 until 1942: Panzer III
best WW2 tank from 1942 until 1945: M4 Sherman
/thread

This

despite what "enemy at the gates" tells you, the soviets propensity for self inflicted violence is usually exaggerated

the "not one step back" order was directed at officers who made unauthorized retreats, in order to prevent morale breaks to the civilians after so many units simply fled during the opening of barborossa
the order wasnt directed at common soldiers for retreating, they wouldnt have executed them for no reason due to manpower actually being in shory supply in 1941-42, and authorized retreats were 100% OK
the soviets did shoot their own men for cowardice, but so did the germans and British

the image of a commisar shooting their own men for petty reasons is mostly fabricated and spread by warhammer 40k

>germon tonk shot the T-34
>T-34 shoot germon tonk
>T-34 wins
It was the first tank to combine 5 man crews with sloped armor with a long gun with longer treads with 6 wheels, all in a package that could be assembled using sloppy welds and shoddy parts could be quickly replaced in the field and a crew compartment ergonomically designed to encourage crews to charge into battle rather than loiter comfortably in their defensive positions.

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It was the best tank around in 1940 even though still a pre production prototype
Germand were impressed by its gun, mobility and heavy tank like armor
The war starts, the factories move behimd the Urals and only modifications allowed are the ones that make the tank cheaper or easier to produce
Transmission improves over time but is eventually simplified (powepack reduced from 800 parts down to 600) so reliability drops again
The T34-85 comes and fixes all the isues of the previous ones (bigger turret with 3 crewmen making it quity roomy, an 85mm gun to handle panthers and tigers, radios (shit but still a radio) for all of them, commander coupola, new air filtration system for the engine making it overheat less often)

It was the best tank USSR had at the begining of the war, they developed much better tanks like the T43 and T44(this one being the "best" design of the war) but factories werent allowed to re-tool as them the production numbers would go down and costs up.

>gets absolutly wrecked by any 75mm and some 50mm PAKs before you can spot them

>lose 40k (over 80% of production) throughout the war
Reminder that the Soviets, like the Americans, classified mission kills as losses. Meanwhile, the Germans never counted losses when there was even the slightest non-zero chance of putting a damaged tank back in operation.

well yeah, the soviet bureacracy knew the only way to keep getting more men and material was to inflate their losses in reports, while the nazi commanders feared being replaced by some nepotistic fuck in high command's bratty nephew if they didn't undersell their losses.

The ineffeciency of communism makes it a superior war machine to fascism because effeciency is the first thing war destroys, followed closely by pride. Only a brutalist culture can handle the brutality of the battlefield.

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oh yeah, that's why nazi germany won WW2 I completely forgot about that

>tanks on your squad get mission killed as an allied commander
>"fug, gonna need some replacement here, better inform my superiors so they can send reinforcements while this shit gets fixed and hosed out fo the previous crew's guts"
>tanks on your squad get mission killed as an axis commander
>"WHAT? IMPOSSIBLE, GERMAN WUNDERWAFFLE CANT BE BEATEN! IT IS BARELY A SCRATCH WE'LL KEEP FIGHTING WITH WHAT WE HAVE SINCE SUPERIOR ARYAN UBERMENSCH ARE INVINCIBLE"
was it autism?

It was made worse by how most german wunderwaffle was incredibly hard to repair.

Where there are two jews, there are three opinions, but where there is one nazi and two problems there is actually three problems.

Fart-huffing. The same thing that made the Germans assume they could just charge dickfirst into the Soviet Union despite their lack of sufficient motor transportation. While back in the last war the Germans recognized that they'd need to account for the Russians using different rail gauges than them, the second time around they just assumed the Aryan Rassenseele would enable them to capture enough Asiatic trains to succeed. To say nothing of their assumptions that they could collapse the whole thing by killing enough of the Judeo-Bolshevik brain bugs.

Its the 2nd best tank. Sherman is the best. The T34 was good enough, and easily repairable in the field. When the engine eventually died, it was easily replaceable within a day by some dudes in trucks hauling engines to the front line along with a small wench crane and the help of the crew, if they survived.

In fact, Im pretty sure engine replacement could be accomplished within a few hours.

Meanwhile, German tanks had to be sent back to the factories in the Ruhr for anything more serious than a track tension

That was later though. When it was introduced, the germans were mostly using 37mm and 50mm, with only a scattering of short barrel 75s. Evolution makes any tank outdated if you give it long enough.

They also assumed that the global jewish conspiracy would continue to fart around and do nothing while they invaded and put down the USSR

Americans are fat and dumb
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>jews control the whole world and the heart of their invisible regime is the marxist soviet union!
>we'll take over the world while they do nothing, it's fucking genius Hans I tell you

>we where just pretending to be slaughtered like rats
>this is what marxist faggots actually believe

>we won
>this is what autistic wehraboos actually believe

>slaughtered like rats
Yeah, peasants with a couple 32 gauge shotguns between the lot of them tend to die when armed men storm into their village, herd them all into their church, and toss grenades in through the windows while machine gunning anyone who tries to escape.

More like they expected the Eternal Anglo to come around.
Honestly probably the worst mistake they made

I'd like to shed some light on this.

All tanks from every country participating in WW2 were of terrible quality. That's what happens when you have total war - bad quality. It's unavoidable. I used to work for a company that helped restore and maintain tracked vehicles so when Bovington acquired a T34/76 and a Tiger I we were excited to go have a look.

The T34 had gaps in the construction. Daylight shone through cracks in the seams. I'm not joking. The whole thing shook and rattled when they turned it on and it must have been an absolute nightmare to go into battle with it. Everything about it was of poor quality so when we asked the historian there where it came from he replied with "Oh, it was never used in battle. Prime example completed and used in propaganda parades". We honestly thought it had been to Berlin and back.

So when we got to the Tiger we were expecting a tank worlds apart. Although there were no gaps in its construction, it has retarded construction methods. If you want to replace the front bearings, for instance, you have to put the tank in a fully equipped workshop for 18 hours and have a full crew of engineers work on it non stop. On the T34 you could do it with a hammer and a few conscripts. The Tiger also has a hilariously terrible gearbox that has hollow gears to save weight. They must have saved about 30lbs on a tank that weighs in north of 57 tons. German engineering at it's finest.

tl;dr quit arguing about which badly designed deathtrap was best. All of them were machines built on compromise and it fucking shows.

It was good enough in early period of war. Kinda outdated later on, though T-34-85 was certainly usable.
Not the ''best'' tank. But not the worst either.
Good post.

Cheap and easy to manufacture.

T-34M would have fixed most of the problems but it got canceled due to the invasion. The eventual T-34/85 fixed a number of issues but retained most of the basic components. All in all it was good enough, available and fieldable.

Were the Sherman and Panther better tanks? Yes.
Were they available for immediate mass production in June 1941? No.

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>Panther better
Maybe if Hitler hadn't demanded so much armor that the Panther ended up being 50% heavier than its final drive was meant to support.