What went wrong?

What went wrong?

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>next-generation air superiorty fighter with nothing to fight
>expensive and specialized airframe, incapable of fulfilling any extent need other than as a buffer to china or russia
>will likely be obsolete by the time it actually needs to be used

Pretty much this. Doesn't AI on a raspberry pi already defeat the most experienced pilots anyways? Having human pilots will limit the design of the aircraft, since you'll have to accommodate for the pilot experiencing g-forces.

>"5th gen" ASF
>no IRST
Into the trash it goes.

Wrong with what? Mission purpose? Design? Why we needed it?

>expensive and specialized airframe

LOL

yes this is why f22 failed
nothing to do ofc with the fact that LM is still on court with the us goverment battling their very mature decision to not upgrade its mcm and leave the aircraft with a brand new radar and literally a 150mhz cpu that even for when it launched was already obsolete...

noo its the airframe

...fuck it. Just copy-and-paste the changes from the SU-27 to SU-35/37's airframe to the F-15. Retain the weapon bays from the F-22/F-35 for the Interceptor Version, Then do another upgrade for the F-15E

Politics.

Having components manufactured in every single state. By the time it had to be upgraded, its too expensive and politically charged to touch.

Lockmart craving more money and bribing officials into pushing the bullshit JSF that ensured them $1.5 trillion to play with in the several following decades.

Also this. Apparently at some point in designing the thing the retardation levels went off the fucking charts.

didn't it annihilate a bunch of f-35s in a recent drill though?

I would suspect another round of lockmart bribery if it didn't.

Invented a smartphone in an age of pagers

>will likely be obsolete by the time it actually needs to be used
F15 began development in 1969 and we're still using it. I think we're good.

America went full stupid.

They knew Soviets were going ground IADS route but they still continued with a pure Air to Air fighter that did not have ground capabilities. Even though the Soviets have fallen, China also went with the ground IADS route, which made the F-22 a really expensive plane for a very niche mission set.

At most it can be sent as escort for F-35s or B-2s, or just use F-35s as escort instead.

Using its 0.00000001m2 all aspect RCS that looks like a golf ball on radar?

Funny that Americans chose to believe words coming from liars as long as it makes them happy.

Congress

Raspberry Pi can't even play 10bit anime correctly lmao.

>Funny that Americans chose to believe words coming from liars as long as it makes them happy.
That's beyond ironic coming from a vatnik.

Pick whatever flag you want to replace the union jack. This is still you.
You sound like a jealous ex girlfriend.

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Sorry to disappoint you, but retarded is still retarded no matter how many claps and USA chants you can squeeze in.

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If I drop a bunch of golf balls while flying, will it look like a squadron of F 22s?

>retarded is still retarded
I don't trust your ability to make that judgement at all. Reducing the F22 to "stupid" because china and russia went with integrated air defense systems instead of producing an air superiority fighter is pure ignorance.
I'll simplify it:
>the f22 protects airspace through ambiguity
>infinitesimal RCS and its ability to supercruise, deters air engagements of any kind since getting a location fix at any given time is nigh impossible
>with an awacs and a few f22s that airpspace is impassable
>the U.S.has far flung territories and large exercises in the pacific. protecting airspace at sea is pretty high on the priority list.
It keeps aggressors at bay. Russia and China can build air defenses all they want. The US doctrine isnt predicated on invading first but keeping belligerents caged and denying crucial trade routes if provoked.

>The US doctrine isnt predicated on invading first
lol

Shit bait thread is shit.

I'm not defending whatever they posted. F-22 definitely gets some dunce points for lacking IRST and B-2 is just outright retarded waste of money.
>The US doctrine isnt predicated on invading first but keeping belligerents caged and denying crucial trade routes if provoked.
I'm pretty sure the continent of Eurasia can do without someone autistically screeching something about world policemen from a wrong side of the globe.

Also, yeah
>The US doctrine isnt predicated on invading first
Ok, dude.

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1st and 2nd world: No
3rd world: they require freedom
It's troubling I had to spell that out.

>3rd world: they require freedom
But only specific parts of the third world, not the based oh say can you see tier American allies like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.
I wonder, if the majority Americans sincerely believe this bullshit they're being fed with.

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As an expert on golf balls, I'd say that's a no.

You sound like a communist.

>What went wrong?
It came into existence right as the procurement drought was getting going and there was no real need for it as the SU was gone and RF was(is) a big fat meme, China was still poverty tier but nobody saw them climbing up. Same fate that killed the Seawolf and Crusader.

>mfw Lockmart bribes itself so one of its jets can beat another one of its own jets in air combat

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>Get paid for developing one jet
>Get paid for developing two jets
Gee, I wonder if this was something that could be dealt with with some money put into a right picket?

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This is the correct answer

>I wonder, if the majority Americans sincerely believe this bullshit they're being fed with.
This is what I'm asking myself everytime I have to converse with them.

In a sense I honestly feel sad for Americans. They're even more brainwashed than commies, to the point that they don't know anymore what's good for them and what isn't (just look at their military, GLADLY dying for Israel).

As for your pic, holy shit.

>furries
>muh sheepdog
>muh freedumbz
>all rolled into one
Impressive but not in a positive way.

>dying for Israel
Surely you could name even 1 instance of this happening?

globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm

The entirety of the conflicts revolving around the War on Terror, especially post Bin Laden, but this was largely coincidental: the real people America folded to were Saudi Arabia itself, which allowed the entire thing to transpire to begin with and got less than a slap on the wrist. That it aligned with Israeli interests was a happy coincidence the latter took advantage of.

>start a thread at 2am bashing America.
hello foreigners, damn shame your shit tier nation failed to produce a fighter that is equal to the F-22, 10 years after it came.

>screams about MUH JEWS
>calls others brainwashed
lel

Enjoy dying for Israel then. I tried to warn you but you didn't listen.

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How long has Jews controlled America?

>How long has Jews controlled America?
Fully since after WW2, partially since about a century. But even before that, the US was very close to jewry.

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>Fully since after WW2
OK, then why did they """"attack"""" the liberty?

Fairly simple, because they didn't want the US in the vicinity as it was during the Six Day War. When you're fighting a war, the less spectators the better.

>Fairly simple, because they didn't want the US in the vicinity as it was during the Six Day War.
But user, you directly said that they were in full control of the US after WWII. If they were in full control, they would not need to attack the liberty because they could just tell it to leave; either covertly or overtly.

Try again retard.

I knew you were going to try this angle. I fucking knew it.

The thing is this, the Six Day War was essentially an impromptu war and very fast paced to boot. And when the ship is there, you can't just tell them to fuck off via Washington, you just don't have the time in such a situation.

>Try again retard.
*yawn* you ZOGbots are honestly boring.

Wrong again retard. Six day war started on the 5th. USS liberty was attacked on the 8th. That's three days to tell it to fuck off. USS liberty was receiving orders from the US the entire time up to the incident.

Try. Again. Retard.

>in war no fuckups happen and every happens in a perfectly orderly fashion
I honestly find it amazing that people would take the USS Liberty thing as proof for Israel not being America's bitch. Of all things, an episode where Israel literally attacks an American vessel while not giving the slightest fuck supposedly proves that America isn't Israels bitch.

Americans truly are beyond help.

>I knew I fucked up, I knew it!
It was pretty obvious, my guy. You dug the grave yourself. He set the Tee and you sat right on it so he could smack the fuck out of you with a 9.

There is no logical way out of it.

user, the claim is that the Jews are in control of America, has been since WWII. Yet, they felt the need to attack a US vessel.

I find it amazing that dumbasses like you can say "shit happens in war", then claim the liberty was a grand conspiracy. USS liberty was attacked for the same reason us aircraft killed clearly marked brit vehicles 30 years later.

>the claim is that the Jews are in control of America, has been since WWII
Correct.

>Yet, they felt the need to attack a US vessel.
Correct.

>then claim the liberty was a grand conspiracy
I didn't claim that at all. Very dishonest of you.

>Jews are in control of america
>instead of using that control to order the vessel to leave via proxy, they waste wartime resources to attack it directly.

>the USS liberty incident is not a grand conspiracy
>even though I think it was due to the Jews not wanting it there instead of their stated reason of it being accident.

A look inside the logical mind of the average jew poster.

>instead of using that control to order the vessel to leave via proxy, they waste wartime resources to attack it directly.
Yes, because you don't always have all the time in the world in a war.

>even though I think it was due to the Jews not wanting it there instead of their stated reason of it being accident.
Nobody but the Israelis claims that and American servicemen have rebuked this over and over.

Why do you side with Israelis over your own people?

>Yes, because you don't always have all the time in the world in a war.
>>three days is not enough time to order a ship in constant communication with stateside to leave

>the servicemen know what is going on in the head of the isrealis attacking
I'm sure they saw the pilots smiling quite jewishly!

>why do you side with the Jews over your own people
Should the brits be demanding war with the US over the FF in Iraq, where the circumstances where way more clear?

>three days is not enough time to order a ship in constant communication with stateside to leave
Correct. It's a war and a very fast paced one at that.

>I'm sure they saw the pilots smiling quite jewishly!
Wouldn't surprise me given how Israeli armed forces are generally known to act.

>Should the brits be demanding war with the US over the FF in Iraq, where the circumstances where way more clear?
Not an answer to my question.

Are you even an actual American or a Hasbara troll? Your dishonest debate tactics resembling Pilpul and constant siding with Israel over your own (supposed) people lead me to believe you're the latter.

>Correct.
Even though it received orders to carry out its mission after the war started?

>wouldn't surprise me
That does not surprise me.

>not an answer to my question
If your countryman believes something are you beholden to it?

>Are you a troll because you exposed the base logical fallacies of my entire belief system on how the western world works?
Yes, but not due to some massive conspiracy, I just enjoy smacking retards. ESPECIALLY when I do it with their own words.

Not quite that bad, AI's that run on common PC's have however shown promise, and can fight using multiple friendly aircraft against multiple human opponents and give them a serious challenge, not so far that the humans can't win, but enough that the outcome isn't always in the human pilot's favor. And that's with the AI flying planes with worse simulated weapons loads, radars, or aerobatic capabilities. If we sacked up and actually put a fighting AI into the body of a modern fighter with it's full capabilities, it would be extremely difficult for a human pilot to match it one-on-one.

>Even though it received orders to carry out its mission after the war started?
Of course.

>That does not surprise me.
The Israel armed forces don't exactly have a stellar record regarding ethics and the like. Read a book.

>If your countryman believes something are you beholden to it?
If your own servicemen say one thing and another country's military says something else, any normal person would by default side with his own servicement over the others. And you know this, since it's exactly what you're doing when you defend Israel.

>Yes
Thanks for admitting you're a troll.

The USAF has most likely done this very thing. They have F-16s that can be droned. Getting off board control schemes is half the battle.

I would not be surprised that WVR BFM might go full AI next gen. BVR is still beyond the control of AI though.

>Of course.
So the nation the jews fully control is sending orders that the Jews do not want? Furthermore, the Jews are incapable of sending orders for recall and would rather attack it outright?

>You must default to your countryman even if it is illogical.
Laughable, but indeed it is a look into your mind.

>thanks for admitting you are a troll.
Oh, make NO mistake, the moment I saw your post I knew that not only would you take the bait, you were stupid enough to tie your own noose. I went into this thread with the express purpose of making you and your ideals look retarded. Conspitards are easy, and the jew posters are easier again.

The fact that you are steadfastly going with "they fully control the US but are incapable of ordering a ship out of an AO that they don't want there", makes it all the sweeter.

>So the nation the jews fully control is sending orders that the Jews do not want?
Yes and no. I doubt you've ever held a regular job in an actual company because if you had, you'd know how communication works in such an environment. An environment which is structured and organized but has many people in it, pressure, objectives and deadlines. Not every order (or directive more exactly) goes out, some go missing, misunderstandings happen etc. Exact same thing in a military, better in some respects (more discipline), worse in others (more pressure and chaos in war etc).

Now as for orders themselves, according to American servicemen, the US let the USS Liberty out to dry while it happened and covered stuff up after it had happened. So if you're looking for Israeli orders, there you have them.

>Laughable
When there is one person's word against another, you side with your own, just like you're doing when you're siding with Israel, my Hasbara friend.

>"they fully control the US but are incapable of ordering a ship out of an AO that they don't want there
That's a canard as already explained.

>not only is the Jews incapable of sending out orders, even while constant communication is present, they found it preferable to send orders to its own planes to attack the liberty. Oh, and the liberty was on mission for three days.
Hilarious.

>Not every order (or directive more exactly) goes out, some go missing, misunderstandings happen etc. Exact same thing in a military, better in some respects (more discipline), worse in others (more pressure and chaos in war etc).
I don't know who you worked for, but if an order from the top is not getting carried out after 72 hours somebody is being fired. Exceptionally rare.

Nothing? You tell us, smart guy.

Jews and nigger gibs.

>A improbably large number of F-22s impossibly close together, not flying at supercruise speed, tailing a presumably brighter radar echo

No

F-18s with off bore sight aiming can defeat it, and F18s have less computing power than a raspberry pi.

At one point your opinion would've mattered. A generation or two ago. Simply put; America is under no more delusion than anybody else. the only trace of delusion here is your illusory view of the US. There isn't anything about the US that's only revealed when you cross the Atlantic (except for how far American businesses have extended their slimy grasp)
The fact that you believe there's some homogeny amongst the population is evidence enough that you've been fed a lie. There are 50 different territories here, not counties. But the lie tastes good so why abandon it? it gives you shreds of your past glory to cling to. (something only occurring because of the weakness of others).
Decry the US for foreign intervention and ignore the blatant imperialism in your past. I can't take any of you seriously anymore.
>but we've reformed
It's dangerous that any of you think that. Your myopic, stubborness against self recrimination, is the same age old mechanism always pushing you towards authoritarianism of some kind. It's been built into your thinking since day 1. God forbid you ever admire the inherent freedoms the US is founded on. You're above that, right? You're so eminently superior yet your govt can't trust you with a butter knife or trust you to have the correct opinion. Peasants/serfs fighting with other peasants/serfs falling in and out of personal freedom perpetually. Sad.

>huh
>weapons discussion on a weapons board
>devolves into discussion on jews

I'm shocked.