What is the future of the tank? Railguns? Hover? Shields? Lazors?

Colton Richardson
Colton Richardson

What is the future of the tank? Railguns? Hover? Shields? Lazors?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammerverse#Powerguns
janes.com/article/86541/china-looking-to-procure-test-systems-for-magnetised-plasma-artillery

Jonathan Cooper
Jonathan Cooper

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Angel Baker
Angel Baker

Fags with HESH on a Vanguard.

Leo Campbell
Leo Campbell

implying the tank has a future

Carter Phillips
Carter Phillips

What's going to replace it then? You one of them robot fags?

Hunter Peterson
Hunter Peterson

Sitting in storage while lighter armor do COIN work.

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Christopher Watson
Christopher Watson

Air cushions and power guns

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Easton Smith
Easton Smith

A ball of fire

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Nicholas Powell
Nicholas Powell

Air cushions
For what purpose? A tank that only works on flat terrain is useless.

Oliver Fisher
Oliver Fisher

why dont tanks fire guided munitions at high elevation so they can provide indirect fire?

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Zachary Parker
Zachary Parker

What is the future of the tank? Railguns? Hover? Shields? Lazors?

No.

- active defense systems of growing capabilities up to the point where they intercept APFSDS sufficiently
- development of ATGM systems capable of missile spam to overwhelm active defense similar to what israelis did to pantsir
- unmanned systems
- radar and IR stealth, maybe driven to the extreme with systems that are deployed, dig in, can observe, and are basically undetectable. Think smart tank used as a mine system for area denial lurking, operating on very little energy from battery systems to just power some tiny sensors.
- abandonment of armor due to lack of effectiveness
- autonomous highspeed combat of missiles with thrust vectoring and interception missiles too fast for human reaction time, basically a battle of guidance systems and thrusters

In this order.

Tyler Sanchez
Tyler Sanchez

For what purpose? A tank that only works on flat terrain is useless.
Hauling around a 20cm powergun via fusion engines that give you the ability to provide the necessary power and airflow to get over rough terrain

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammerverse#Powerguns

The mindset of the Hammer's Slammers in the novels is basically "why climb the mountain to kill the enemy when you can just melt the mountain?"

Blake Rogers
Blake Rogers

In China's case: Magnetic ionized plasma artillery:

janes.com/article/86541/china-looking-to-procure-test-systems-for-magnetised-plasma-artillery

Basically, normal tanks would hae railgun-class high velocity guns.

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Jonathan Peterson
Jonathan Peterson

Implessive

Parker Cruz
Parker Cruz

Indeed, China grows more impressive by the day.
How can whitoids even compete?

Joshua Wood
Joshua Wood

5 Rupee where added to your account

Adam Flores
Adam Flores

Railguns
Demand too much energy to be effective at tank size, railguns tend to actually weigh more than their conventional gun counterparts, weight is saved in ammunition as railgun rounds tend to also be much smaller.
Hover
Hovering vehicles or air cushion vehicles aren't as controllable as tank, they take longer to get up to full speed and longer to slow down or turn.
Shields
Interestingly this is actually a thing, a barrier of plasma can be created powerful enough to stop air flow through it, however that's nowhere near strong enough to stop any kind of weapon passing through and it demands an enormous amount of power a tank-sized powerplant would never be able to provide.
Lasers
Yes but not as a weapon, a tank could carry a pulsed laser as a method of active defense, it would be used for shooting down incoming ATGMs, detonating artillery shells that would otherwise hit the tank, detonating exposed IEDs, etc.

As to realistic near future weapons, electrothermal-chemical guns are a distinct possibility, there's already been a gun designed specifically for use in the Abrams. ETC guns operate mostly the same as a normal smoothbore cannon, however they use an electrical charge to ignite a plasma fuse in the shell, this significantly speeds up and evens out the burning of propellant in the shell and gives the ETC gun significant improvements in ballistic performance. A 120mm gun performs more like a 130-140mm gun, a 130mm gun performs more like a 140-150mm gun. ETCs are also much lighter, which would let a tank fit on more armor, or more sensors, or more defensive systems, or simply cut it's weight and improve it's speed and efficiency.

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Parker Wilson
Parker Wilson

Indeed whitoids cant. As we can see in NZ these days, they chimp out and struggle against their inevitable fate of getting overtaken by China economically and militarily in the world, and at home replaced racially by muslims.

I'm not even sure white people will be able to survive until hovertanks, railguns and lasers become common place in that future OP speaks of.

Angel Roberts
Angel Roberts

Legs.

Dominic Young
Dominic Young

good times

Asher Powell
Asher Powell

5 Rupee where added to your account, Pajeet.

Adam Collins
Adam Collins

Out of those: Lasers.
The main problem with idea of a tank in the 21st century is that you have to be able to defend against missiles, or else you may as well not build it at all.
Point-defense lasers can help with that in the future as they get smaller/lighter.

Railguns need too much power (would require resorting to nuclear), hovering isn't happening unless someone invents a gravity nullifier (tanks are fucking heavy).

Because the US army keeps cancelling it (and every other new armored ground vehicle program) since they don't think they really need it.
Same with unmanned, for that matter.

I'm not sure whether tanks even have a future or not.
It's (publicly) an open question whether aerial drones can replace them in the heavy fire support role within our lifetimes, but from the looks of it, the Pentagon seems to think they can.

Connor Jackson
Connor Jackson

have you guys heard about the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre ?

Dominic Jenkins
Dominic Jenkins

Drones
Taken out effortlessly by SAMs
What kills SAMs
Tanks

Andrew Smith
Andrew Smith

Wrong. The most interesting development in China is the refielding of light Tanks dedicated for Mountain/Junglenigger/COIN ops.

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James Howard
James Howard

Hover tanks are nonsense

Alexander Martinez
Alexander Martinez

Probably some kind of electro chemical gun. Russia is fielding their electro chemical gun in the koalitsya.

Adam Sanders
Adam Sanders

post guns with timestamp

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Juan Mitchell
Juan Mitchell

What sort of hover mechanism could you realisticly even use to make a hover tank? Let's assume far future and you have fusion power available if it's required.

Eli Lewis
Eli Lewis

I assume you're not suggesting replacing the main gun with a LASER, right?

Anthony Perry
Anthony Perry

Hovering is never going to be viable. Unless you are hovering with skirts like a fucking boat it will always take less energy to fly than to hover.

Expect development in point defense and crew survivability in the near future. Even the Russians are putting research in them with the t-14 and it's unmanned turret.

Camden Parker
Camden Parker

Drone tanks may be played with a bit due to crew survivability, but I think they won't really go anywhere since sensors are still not as good as simply looking out the hatch.

Brody Morris
Brody Morris

Only antigravity is able to make a hover cost less energy than simply flying, so the answer to your question is no.

Zachary Carter
Zachary Carter

This is what everyone's working on an so I can safely say
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Tyler Peterson
Tyler Peterson

Don't worry, lobbyists will keep it alive no matter how many caskets with grilled tank crews return home. It's the way defense procurement works.

Levi Martin
Levi Martin

Getting railgun valocities out of a "conventional" gun

Colton Gomez
Colton Gomez

The future of the tank is the current state of the battleship. Obsolescence.

Jacob Murphy
Jacob Murphy

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Liam Johnson
Liam Johnson

The future is the same gun that the K2 Black Panther has. Two stage missiles. They're being made for the navy too. Other than that, who knows. MBT probably going to be around until 2070 short of massive technological leap. Germans and French are working on a joint tank to replace theirs.

Owen Hall
Owen Hall

GUNHED

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Nolan Jackson
Nolan Jackson

ETC is a meme. RAVEN is where it's at now.

Eli Bennett
Eli Bennett

Nono ofc not. Gonna replace it with genetically modified sharks....with lasers

Owen Wright
Owen Wright

Tanks might not disappear but really change a lot to the point where only the main function remains. You could argue that it's the same thing though.

Ryder Green
Ryder Green

Railguns?
Maybe if you can get the insane power density requirements down. Railguns could offer several advantages over current armaments, e.g. hit harder, fire faster, and can hold more ammunition, etc, but the most important thing is that they don't rely on chemical propellants. That eliminates the possibility of a magazine cookoff entirely without having to resort to blowout panels.

Hover?
Too impractical/inefficient

Shields?
If you can actually come up with a way to get energy shields, then sure

Lazors?
Not practical as an offensive weapon, but would be insanely valuable as part of an active protection system. It would likely make ATGMs completely obsolete, since it'd be able to react in milliseconds and fire a pulse strong enough to disarm/trigger most warheads or their guidance systems. The physics of this are too complicated to get into detail, but it's safe to say that the threshold for setting off an explosive shell is a LOT lower than that for killing another tank. It also just so happens that the counter to that would be to develop an offensive railgun as the primary weapon.

Practically speaking what this means for armored warfare is that pure kinetics will likely dominate, and that tanks become nigh-unkillable beasts that can only be stopped by other tanks and big guns. Maybe even tank destroyers and AT guns will make a comeback again to deal with this, who knows. Add energy shields and whatnot into the mix, and tank battles will largely become very large battles of attrition.

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Xavier Taylor
Xavier Taylor

JESUS HAD DAYS LIKE THIS

Noah Phillips
Noah Phillips

aside from APS, i dont see any radical improvement.

tank designs seem to have hit their limit.

Luke Howard
Luke Howard

Follow up to

The most important thing to consider with all those (highly speculative) technologies and their applications is that they come with insane power demands. Current tank armaments don't rely on the vehicle's own engine to supply them with energy, but railguns and lasers will. You'd basically need a vehicle-portable fusion reactor to run the damn thing. So good luck seeing that on the battlefield for a long, long while.

But there are other implications for tanks that don't directly involve improving mobility or weaponry. For example, the drivetrain could potentially be simpler, since it would essentially need to be electric. It might be easier to hide its IR signature for similar reasons.

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Caleb Lewis
Caleb Lewis

autonomous drone swarm
armored vehicles is outdated 20th century idea, since you no longer need a crew, so no armor needed,

Benjamin Bennett
Benjamin Bennett

It would likely make ATGMs completely obsolete
You could add an ablative shield to the front of an anti-tank missile, that would pop off before the warhead detonates, maybe?

Jace Russell
Jace Russell

tanks were largely btfo'd by rocket missles, and have been only used against civilians or shit tier military since 1960

Nathan Bennett
Nathan Bennett

Quite possibly, yeah, but shielding adds mass so you'd have to make a tradeoff somewhere. Either you'd have to shrink the payload or contend with less range, if you want to keep the size of the package the same. Otherwise, you'd have to use more propellant, and the rocket equation doesn't really make things much easier.

But it really depends on how the pulsed laser is used.

For example, if it attempts to drill a hole into the target to set it off/render it inoperable, an ablative cover might work really well at preventing that. But if it's instead optimized to create shockwaves within the target itself to set off the high explosive, shake up all the sensitive electronics around, or screw with the rocket while it's in flight, armor might not help at all.

On the other hand, kinetics don't really have that problem, because all you're doing is throwing a big dumb object really fast.

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Joshua Perry
Joshua Perry

The future of tank is Chinese.

Blake Reed
Blake Reed

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Anthony Nguyen
Anthony Nguyen

No railgun is going on a tank any time soon. Most likely the 120mm which is already at its rod length limits will get upgraded to the 130mm, which looks like it can go through just about anything. The only issue is that manual loader shills cant accept this will require an autoloader.
Based on its dimensions I'd say the 130mm will be pushing 1500mm RHA equivalent.

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Nolan Barnes
Nolan Barnes

upgrading to the 130mm
not going all the way and building an abrams chassis-tank destroyer with a 155 shoehorned into it

Ian Jenkins
Ian Jenkins

76>90>105>first 120>second 120
For whatever reason the increments are always tiny.

Henry Torres
Henry Torres

Didn't combat analysis from Ukraine show that heavy armor had been underrated?

Basically, light armor protected against way less stuff than when it was designed, and the room to upgrade protection was limited, so heavy armor ended up being more important.

Ryder Kelly
Ryder Kelly

implying a squishy vulnerable humans with a carl gustav can do the job of a tank

Cameron Lee
Cameron Lee

Well, yeah, area of a sphere increase quadratically, so small increases in diameter mean larger increases in case volume and shell size

Levi Wilson
Levi Wilson

The future of tanks is a "shield". I'm just talking about active defense becoming better. Just think about it. Even if heavy as fuck it would allow armor to be a lot lighter in return and be cool as fuck. Perhaps laser technology will become a viable active defence some day.

Jordan Harris
Jordan Harris

lol chink ego so inflated, they think that only poos mock them.....

Samuel Mitchell
Samuel Mitchell

To my understanding it's more that light-anti armor is way more common then you'd think, as cheap disposable RPGs and recoiless rifles can pretty much flood a battlefield. They aren't worth shit vs modern spaced armor, but can do it for a IFV very well.

The FUTURE.

I've got a friend with a paranoid rant about how high energy lasers are moving fast, with several countries suddenly going from development of promising but apparently long term, far future laser anti missile system development in 2017 to total communication blackout in 2018, up to project names vanishing.

A laser anti missile system can be powered effectively by several different types of power accumulator charged by a modern internal combustion engine. Gasoline is pretty damn energy dense when you get right down to it.

Lasers work best on comparatively slow projectiles. Missiles, mortars, bombs, some artillery, RPGs, ect. Small, highly dense projectiles like a APDS dart are some of the hardest things to deflect, as they can't be stopped by setting off the warhead or blinding a sensor, the laser needs to generate enough thrust by ablating the surface of the projectile to deflect it from a course. EFP jets are, likewise, nearly impossible to deflect, but that is partly because of the minimal range between their generation and impact.

So the future might be heavily armored tanks protected by laser anti missile systems, effectively immune to anything an infantryman can do besides setting a heavy EFP mine or IED.

Gavin Gomez
Gavin Gomez

implying more men die inside tanks than outside.

Gabriel Anderson
Gabriel Anderson

actually it would be
76>90>120>105>120
M103 predated the M60 by several years.

Anthony Rivera
Anthony Rivera

Gundam fodder

Hudson Evans
Hudson Evans

Fusion
Directed energy weapons in atmosphere

People who don't actually study engineering and try to talk about science irritate me

Jaxon Wood
Jaxon Wood

Powerguns aren't DEW, it's obviously a kinetic weapon. Having some trouble with reading?

Also, why do you think lasers don't work in air? Are you under the impression that normal air is opaque to all light?

Blake Sullivan
Blake Sullivan

armour
If it needs applique armor just to withstand small arms fire, it's a tin can.

Nathaniel Diaz
Nathaniel Diaz

taken out efforlessly
If the drone is small, SAMs simply fail to even spot it.
If the drone is considerably cheaper then whatever you try to shoot it down with, the drone wins no matter what you do.

Thomas Jackson
Thomas Jackson

because when you're looking out of the hatch, you can instantly see the entire 360 horizontal at multiple wavenghts and superimpose these.
You can't even begin to imagine whar can be done with todays sensor tech. Combined with "virtual reality" cockpits, the sensors are superior.

Chase Morales
Chase Morales

So literally everything comes down to us breaching the energy barrier and capacitor barrier we are currently trying to figure out before we run outta of resources on this planet? Fuck me dude how more interesting history would be if we had a more abundant and more energy dense element readily available to us. Fuck i could see mechs and space ship combat if we could find such a meme.

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Gavin Bailey
Gavin Bailey

active protection systems and tethered UAVs will make them nearly invulnerable to small anti-tank teams. but these benefits will also be had by light armor. therefor, I predict the return of the tankett. heavy armor will be reserved for urban combat.

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