Let's say you are in public somewhere and an active shooter situation starts, someone has entered the same location as you and has opened fire on random people.
As a concealed carry weapon holder, what should you do? Especially once the cops show up?
What if you were in a location where guns shouldn't be allowed but you had brought your gun anyway? Would the justice system have mercy on your violation of that law if you were to stop a school shooter or bank robbery?
Step One. Dont be black.
When you run into a cop with your weapon drawn, you surrender since you're not the shooter. You should probably look for escape options and be prepared to fire IF you encounter the shooter. Don't pursue them since it might get you in more shit legally for "trying to play the hero" or get you accidently'd by a cop. As for carrying in a gun in a "gun free zone", you might get your CC taken away and if the prosecutor is a libtard with an agenda, they'd throw the book at you and call you a vigilante spurg and try to get you jail time.
In most situations, if you have a chance to run with minimal threat to life and property, take it. Only use lethal force when there's little options afforded to you.
Run away and take cover draw my weapon and cover the approach angle from an ambush position. Shelter in place until the shooting stops.
I would only actively seek to engage if the shooting begins and I’m in the same room as the shooter and cannot escape.
Run. If you can't run, barricade. If you can't barricade, fight. A bunch of rando's drawing pistols just complicate everything. Only draw if the shooter is right there. The police are gonna show up and unload on anyone holding a gun, they don't care if you think you are helping, because you are not. More and more police are being trained to react to active shooter situations with fast and overwhelming force. That's why that cop in the Florida shooting who waited outside has gotten so much flak.
Get the fuck out with anyone I care about, and if confronted hopefully shoot him before he shoots me. In somewhere where a gun can't be carried, if it's a government building then let the bailiff handle it, or in something like a hospital I'll have my 1908 vest pocket.
Pussy.
>Let's say you are in public
Very unlikely.
You’ll notice that literally everyone who isn’t a Larping faggot says run and hide and engage as a last resort.
>you surrender since you're not the shooter
As if the cops wouldn't just blast you as soon as you come into their view
>What if you were in a location where guns shouldn't be allowed but you had brought your gun anyway? Would the justice system have mercy on your violation of that law if you were to stop a school shooter or bank robbery?
If you're adequately trained and armed, and no one else is around to respond, fuck the law.
Whatever happens after that point happens, but would you be able to look back on the situation and tell yourself you made the correct decision in sitting and waiting for the authorities to respond while people around you were murdered?
These. The cops are trained to slot anyone with a gun and ask questions later. Only fight if you absolutely must; don't be a hero.
Also, if you're in the midst of a bank robbery, let the robber have the money. Banks are insured for robberies, the shekels are not worth your life.
>t. Banker
*watches Heat once*
Get a load of this faggot.
>if it's a government building then let the bailiff handle it
Do post offices have bailiffs? They are government buildings where carrying is a federal crime
if im with my family, i get them out- they come first. if im by myself, depends where he's shooting- school, daycare something like that i'll stop him. otherwise what this user said. don't really feel like getting shot by some scared cop
>not wanting to possibly die in a shootout
Reddit faggots git.
Pretty much if you afford the luxury of a half second "DROP THE WEAPON!", but if you know police are on the scene or hear sirens outside, it's time to holster up and leave.
FDIC insures the balance of all accounts within the vault of up to $250,000. If you have any meaningful assets (i.e. Bearer bonds, gold bullion, family jewelry) that exceeds that amount, you're pretty fucked.
someone find the michael cera false flag shooting post
If I'm by myself then I'll try to engage the shooter from a protected position. If the cops show up then I GTFO of the immediate area. Depending on the situation I may approach a cop that is not involved directly in combating the shooter to inform them that I engaged the shooter as well.
If I'm with my wife and/or son then I focus only on getting them to safety and then stay put with them with my gun drawn in the event that the shooter comes near.
That's the exception, who the fuck takes their CCW off when they walk in the post office? The policeman would probably just give you a warning for that.
also to expand on this, i live in NY so there's not many people worth saving
Unless the robbery is being committed by a group a la the Joker and Co in the Dark Knight, they're not gonna go after anything in the safe deposit boxes. Banks have cameras everywhere; they're gonna want to get the cash as quickly as possible and GTFO.
If any thing you should be joining in and helping the shooter.
I dont know if its only one shooter or several. I assume worst case scenario and think there is more than one.
if possible, I would instruct the nearest people to hide in the nearest room, barricade the door, and then prepare myself a firing position with cover.
Public places however rarely have separate rooms. I would take a concealed position towards the most likely direction of the shooter and aim for the center of mass.
Regardless if I manage to shoot at the Bad Guy or not. I would hold position until the cops arrive, at which point I hope I dont get shot, because they dont know I am not with him/them.
You gtfo
If you draw your gun, somebody might mistake you for the shooter
>Get the fuck out
>Do not engage unless being engaged
>Hands up, firearm on the ground or on your person and await instructions - if the latter, allow the officer to remove the firearm from you unless otherwise stated
Simple.
>What if you were in a location where guns shouldn't be allowed but you had brought your gun anyway?
See above, except pray you don't get caught by the police, which is increasingly difficult as cameras are everywhere.
>Would the justice system have mercy on your violation of that law
Depends on what state you're in and perhaps if you're portrayed as a hero. Most likely not.
>First get my loved ones out of the building
>have her call 911 and tell them I’m heading into the building and what I’m wearing / carrying
>go back in with gun at LOW ready
>That feel when I still carry in post
Offices anyway
Seriously don’t be a moron and don’t follow unjust laws.
Try to get away and save myself. I'd only use my gun if it was to save my life.
Going back in would be a terrible idea. Your still very likely to get killed by the cops when they see someone with a gun. Once your out, just keep getting further away. Even if they don't shoot you on sight, they'll still have to waste time asking you to drop your weapon and securing you. Just get out of the way and let them do their job.
>Leaving your wife and child to go possibly die in a fire fight for literally no reason
fucking why.
Yes those losers who are getting shot should have taken the time to get armed and trained. You are a victim because you are unarmed you are unarmed because you don't think your or your family's life is worth protecting. Victims get assaulted and murdered.
Underrated
You should first try to get out and help other people out/do first aid if have a CCW and want to try to help.
Do not draw unless you actually see the shooter and think you'll have a shot. It's very likely the initial police response will be disorganized and have very little information and you're going to be a guy they see at an active shooter scene holding a gun.
If courts go easy on you for saving the day probably depends a lot on media coverage and what jurisdiction you're in.
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>responding to the bait
Come on
poor reading skills
>Admitting to gun crimes on a website where a mass shooter referenced ad nauseum in a high profile shooting and every alphabet agency is scanning
Based low iq poster
>Shooting starts
>Shooting is far away?
Look for nearest exit.
>Shooting is closer?
Make sure my CC is clear/free of anything that it could snag on when drawing. Keep trying to find exit.
>Actually run into the shooter
The only time I'll try and draw
>Run into cops
Hopefully my handgun is still holstered and I never drew on camera. If I did, hands up, gun on ground, pray I don't get slotted
>Leniency for carrying in no gun zone
Probably not. You're still technically breaking a law regardless of intent. Liberal states will try to make you out to be a monster. Pro 2A states would simply say you should have known better and unjust law or not, they'll uphold it.
All this in mind, you can guarantee I'm going to mag dump every last 10mm hollowpoint in my magazine if I had to truly draw and fire on a shooter. If I'm facing a criminal record, my guns taken, etc regardless, I'm going to ventilate Mr Incel school shooter. Oh and
>Stop bank robbery
Fuck that. Fuck the banks. Not my money, not my problem.
>would you be able to look back on the situation and tell yourself you made the correct decision in sitting and waiting for the authorities to respond while people around you were murdered?
Just answering the question stated in the post. I guess you know how to read but can't actually comprehend what you are reading? That must be rough.
Boomer posting is kino
When the police arrive on scene, your role as an armed citizen is over.
And really by the time the cops show up, the shooter has already an hero'd or fucked off.
Kek
So your plan is to draw when you see the shooter already bearing down on you? You must be Jerry Miculek.
As the shooting is getting closer yes. Not when the guy is right in front of me. Running around with your gun drawn will just get you shot. And on TV
>"POTENTIAL 2ND GUNMAN IDENTIFIED"
What if the active shooter approaches you, sees you and asks you to coop with him.
>>Actually run into the shooter
>The only time I'll try and draw
Your words, not mine. And you're more afraid of being shot by cops than the actual madman. Cops would be the last thing in my mind if folks in my immediate building are getting perforated.
True enough. Thankfully I live in NJ, a liberal Utopia of a state where people are respectable human beings who recognize guns and violence aren't the answer*
>Please ignore Camden, Newark, West Orange, Paterson, Trenton. They don't count.
Actually relevant. A black nightclub security guard got murked by the cops after a crazy shooting he stopped.
Id just leave. I dont get why retards wanna play hero, I dont give a shit about random strangers. Not my circus not my monkeys.
Unless the shooter is a minority shooting white folk. Then I'd kill them.
Skinnys cant shoot for shit
So I doubt anyone here has a good answer but I'll ask anyway, how would you tell cops that you're carrying in a situation like this? They come in hot as fuck on an active shooter and I feel like telling them "I have a gun" isn't a great idea even if you're not holding it and make no indications of drawing, but I don't think just waiting for them to find it is that great of an idea either.
Do you think they have the time to search all the people shuffling out of the area?
Book it but in a scared retard kind of way
Shoot, holster (be careful if glock), but be wary of secondary shooters. When you're exiting, keep your hands up. We ran a few active shooter scenarios and one dumbfuck kept shooting unarmed citizens and blaming it on low light. Don't be one of those dumb fucks that screams at us so we can't hear shit or grabs onto us for help. Understand we're coming in with no clue who the shooter is and that he could be any student jumping out from around the corner.
There would likely be leniency if you stopped a robbery or mass shooter. The prosecutor's office has the option to defer cases that are "not in the interest of justice." They drop cases for actual shithead criminals all the time. It really depends on the culture of your state though. In mine if a known gang member and convicted felon in the middle if a drug deal stops an active shooter, that dude is getting a pat on the back and maybe some community service.
Its still carte blanche to kill a fucking shitskin, so I'd gladly take it.
>but I don't think just waiting for them to find it is that great of an idea either.
call 911, tell them there's [whatever is going on], then tell them your name and that you're a CHL holder and are armed and trying to get out of the situation.
Tell them what you're wearing, where you are, and where you're trying to get to.
If you can stay on the phone, do so.
By the time the cops get there, dispatch should have given them a pretty good description of you and you're much less likely to get nailed the instant they find you.
If you couldn't call the police, just tell them with your hands raised, "I'm a concealed carry holder and my firearm's on me, I didn't draw because I didn't want to get shot. my firearm's on my right hip, IWB if you'd like to disarm me."
It's not hard
>If you couldn't call the police, just tell them with your hands raised, "I'm a concealed carry holder and my firearm's on me, I didn't draw because I didn't want to get shot. my firearm's on my right hip, IWB if you'd like to disarm me."
Better make sure they probe you too while you're at it, you massive cucklord
>Take up concealed position with back to wall or barricade in bathroom
>Draw gun
>Call 911, inform operator I am in a defensive position, armed, and require backup/escort out of the area, please instruct police not to shoot me when coming up on my hidey hole
>Prop up phone with camera running in a spot where I can both see the room on the screen and remain concealed/out of sight
>Wait for shooter or police to arrive
>If shooter comes, engage
>If police come, hands up don't tase me bro
>If unclear who's approaching, remain hidden and attempt to hide until they leave
This assumes being in my office building or some other public place that offers good concealment and hearing gunshots far away. If I'm standing right next to someone who pulls a gun I'm going to draw and fire as much as possible during the fatal 15 and hope he had his eyes on a different target before shooting me because I value the potential for memes above the piddly 10-15 years left of my life.
Kill yourself
Any alphabets reading kill yourself too
If the alphabet boys are reading this, it isn't anons fault that user was stupid and admitted to a federal felony on a pepe supremacy book club website.
* watches incredibles 2 once
Thinking the ATF will try and convict me based purely on here-say on a Comanche feather tickling forum.
>surely you are the big brain here
based robot
Statistically speaking lone wolf kill spree shooters give up or suicide as soon as someone returns fire, or as soon as someone who can return fire shows up. So shoot back. Even if he defies the odds and fights back, you will force him to use ammo and time on you, and even if you don't put him down or wound him, that can save lives.
So that other Americans aren’t massacred
Fighting back is the best way to stop these.
This is the correct answer.
Oddly enough it's kind of amazing that people ignore the fact that even if an armed person bites it, they're going to buy valuable time for others to break out a window or try to flee. If they're just going for whatever pops up at them they'll go for the shooter first, but it'd likely cause a psychological pause where they're going to act more cautious having encountered resistance instead of just gunning down people running into bullets head first and charging into a crowd to do what they set out to do.
Because then you get to parade around on the news and rub it in little Goblinas face that guns are good and we should repeal the NFA. At least that's what I'd do.
Shoot him anyway. Barricade myself in a room with one door. Call a lawyer. Then the cops. Then the local news.
>It's smart to admit to crimes online lol xD
Okeedokee bud hope you own a dog
No you wouldn't. The media isn't pro gun. It's college indoctrinated people that have to appeal to group think. The group think is feelings, feelings are a sense. Common sense sounds misleading to sound like an intellectual argument while it's really just mutual feelings on an issue even if it's not effective and proven false. Besides, the media is doing you a huge favor if they don't publicize you. That person had a family, or people aligned with their cause that want to wage a jihad on you specifically for it. Even if it wasn't a jihad, if it were just a vendetta, it's the same thing. People just use these words around concepts they think other people view it deceptively, rather than what they're actually trying to do.
Kind of like how you use the term goblina? Chances are you're the type of person that leeches off tax payers. You're like one of those 'common sense' gun control people expect a different autism spectrum.
implying alphabet agencies actually give a fuck about regular people crimes. unless its serious like terrorism no ones gonna give a fuck about having a bump stock post ban because of some spaghetti weaving forum
I have a bump stock
MY BENIS.
they wouldn't give a fuck if you stopped shit if you were breaking their precious gun laws
only thing that would change that is media pressure and the media DOES NOT report on CCers who stop mass shootings because it goes against the narrative
yeah nah nigger i ain't gonna die for some investment banker's ZOG bux
Fag, I'd go fucking insane and try to Kill him any way possible. Just for fun.
>the ATF will v& you over basesless claims online
You are a moron if you actually believe this
Typically people who have those high value assets will also have them insured in addition to the $250,000 FDIC loan.
rip
check your watch, you prob has 18 mins before cops arrive. just draw your gun and make your way out. check the corner so you make sure you don't run into the shooter or cops.
He was wrestling with the shooter, got the upper hand and while straddling the shooter, drew his weapon and pointed it at the shooter as the cops rolled in. It was just a terrible situation. Cops can’t just sit around shouting things while a dude has a gun in another guys face. They didn’t know who was who
So they saved the life of the guy trying to murder random people?
>Would the justice system have mercy on your violation of that law if you were to stop a school shooter or bank robbery?
Almost absolutely, yeah. Considering you're likely to be tried by a jury of your peers.
>what should you do? Especially once the cops show up?
Act quickly and ditch the fucking gun. Or make it clear that you're not the threat.
>active shooter
Thought that said "attractive shooter".
He was a person. Blacks aren't. Cope.
>one dumbfuck kept shooting unarmed citizens
and i bet hes still a fucking cop
christ
Only the sexiest will do.
pic related
honestly, i would join in.
Yes but without realizing it. You see a dude full mount with a gun to someone’s face when you get called to a shooting usually isn’t a good look.
Anyone else think its weird that a mini holocaust of black people is still happening in Chicago with no signs of slowing, and it never even makes the news? One year there was a murder for every day of the year ffs.
*teleports berhind you*
>what should you do
join in
>once the cops show up
allow yourself to be arrested, do not resist
>what if guns aren't allowed in this location
haha, oops?
>would the justice system have mercy
no, especially when they realize I could have stopped the shooter and chose to participate instead
when the cops show up show them where the body is!
NANI