Why does America have such an absurdly large navy? Why does nobody else have such a big one...

pretty much this. got to keep pirates from fucking up sea trade

How is that working out for you?

Because we're a hegemonic super power that's expected to fight asinine conflicts all over the globe in order to protect international trade routes and business opportunities for the world economy.

Italy just needs to dick around the Mediterranean and sink migrants.

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We have $20 trillion in debt. Its nice fro Northrop Grumann though.

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I mean, being the sole global superpower has generally been pretty good for America and her economy. People will long for the days of simple isolationism, but the fact of the matter is that the US gains a lot more by influencing global events than simply letting them occur at random.

Excellent
t. military contractor

The US military is the biggest welfare program in history.

>been pretty good for America and her economy
People from the rust belt might disagree.

Because the UK would rather flagellate itself then accept its duties as great power.

At this point, global trade means that any good which can’t be produced cheaper domestically than it can be made in a 3rd world sweatshop will be almost exclusively imported. The transition to a service economy is inevitable for any advanced society. China’s even starting to make that change now, with plans to move production facilities to African countries with cheaper labor. The periods of greatest US economic prosperity in the 50s and 60s came after America was well established as a superpower. America’s position in the world isn’t why the country’s manufacturing industry has found itself downsized, dirt-cheap international shipping is the culprit.

much water many ocean
and they had a treaty that they always ensures that they are always more than 50% of the worlds navy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Naval_Treaty#Terms

>great power
its a tiny island that's been bankrupt since before ww1 and by post ww2 failed to exsist

>plans to move production facilities to African countries with cheaper labor
Even the chinks know that's bullshit, you will not make blacks work factory jobs. Chinks there import most of their labor, they even have chink streetwalkers.

For now, but the idea is to eventually stabilize the economy enough to bring cheaper locals into the mix as the primary labor force. It doesn’t make any financial sense long term to pay Chinese workers relatively more expensive Chinese wages outside of China.

>It doesn’t make any financial sense
I think you underestimate Chinese ethnocentrism, goy.

Maybe, but the whole reason they’re in Africa in the first place is due to an economic need for cheaper labor than China can provide. As labor laws likely continue to improve there, the financial need to develop an economy with lower wages only increases.

Nah man, the reason they're in Africa is raw materials and to bleed off the excess population they don't need on the mainland.

Probably the ocean that surrounds them.

Not him but I reckon you have a point. Every Empire worth anything has actively managed its population by sending the poor, the troublemakers and the undesirables to settle colonies far away from home. It's a feature, not a bug. Free market shit is catnitp for lolbertarians but never benefits anyone but oligarchs. Chinks aren't dumb enough to fall for the cheap labor meme.

That’s actually a good point. The US should do that with Afghanistan. Offer American-level wages for both Americans and Afghans to work in mining ops, and boom, functional economy. We’ve basically had a whole country sitting in our pocket for 2 decades and haven’t taken advantage of it.

Washington and London naval treaties are long dead

Watch pretty much any Peter Zeihan video on youtube.

The guy seems sort of like a bit of a deluded isolationist imo. He’s definitely intelligent, and makes a lot of good points, but he seems to focus too much on energy independence as the main reason that America would be fine without being the head of the global economy, without considering too much else. I’ve just seen a bit of his work, so I can’t judge everything, but that’s the sense I get.

>hangar capacity:
>134.2 m (440 ft 3 in) x 21.0 m (68 ft 11 in)
> 8 × AV-8B Harrier IIs or
> 12 × AgustaWestland AW101
What's the fucking point if you can only carry 10 jets on an aircraft carrier?

Because the only things you can fight on the ground are Canada and Mexico.

Also this.

Yeah but instead the CIA grows fucking poppy fields

Actually, he's an internationalist who is somewhat pro-Green. He's lamented the coming isolationism that he expects to see.

His brief segue into naval and trade history, and the resulting Breton Woods agreement, is particularly relevant to this thread.

Ask the Argentinians

>is expected to figh asinine conflicts
Nobody expects US to fight foreign wars. It's just that corporations baed in US have businesses everywhere and when some shitstorm brews somewhere, the army is send to clean up.

>Italy sinking migrants.
Would be nice if they actually did, instead of offering pickup.

>from sea to shining sea!
also naval warfare was our teething

The sea that surrounds them.

Well Europeans haven't started another world war since.

lmao more like (((Germany))) hasn't started another one. They will soon though.

Eh, so-so. I mean we get a lot of trade deals and English is pretty much Lingua Franca now but GOD DAMN it's cost us people and resources.

They don't have the military to start one right now, and because they stopped having kids a while back, they're about to lose the manpower and financial strength to build one.

good post

Because we live in a country with an Imperial presidency. What I mean is that the president is pretty much only able to do executive orders and go to “conflict” without the approval of Congress. Thus encouraging these actions as a means to asserting power while in office. We haven’t officially declared war since WWII. When you allow for tyrants to have as many shekels as they want, they’ll send your sons to die in a useless war and spend all our tax dollars to maintain (((their))) empire.

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Because we're better than you. And it's fun to remind you.

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>fighting 5 enemy units
>use 5 of your own stronger units
>win the battle, lose 2
>fighting 5 enemy units
>use 20 of your own stronger units
>win the battle, lose 0
Sun Tsu said to approach your enemy like a tsunami or tidal wave. Overwhelming numbers and firepower is a great way to achieve that.

Because there's a lot of ocean.

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could be better. our allies kinda suck a lot of dick though and the jews are always calling the shots

They'll have the manpower, but not the financial strength

Because our European "allies" have unwilling to adequately maintain their militaries since 1945 and we've had to pick up the slack.

Damn yuropeens and their shitty attempt at bait.

It was understood post-WW2 that we would take up that role since Western Europe was in the shitter and the Soviets were looming.

Now the reason for it is a little less clear.

They have a lot of interests in the Med. Their whole navy is basically designed to operate in there against African states and Russian Black Sea vessels making a breakout. Hence the focus on naval guns due to the cramped space, and a couple small carriers to get airpower out and about to the extreme ends.

Funnily enough, Turkey is aping everything the Italians are doing, because they share much the same objective, minus some littoral focus vs Greece.

America built more essex class carriers in WW2 alone than most nations have built non-sail powered capital ships simply because that's what was required to win without contest. The doctrine worked, and kept working, so superior technology combined with superior numbers will always win in conventional war and/or being world police.

Be everywhere at once with overwhelming firepower and you'll find few actual threatening enemies. Britain did this right up until the first ironclads and a little ways into it before building that shit became way too expensive to spam en masse and still have an economy for the relatively small island nation.

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