How would you have improved the Imperial Japanese military so that it could have defeated the United States in the...

how do you get past philippines and american patrols killing your subs

That's the entire human race population

He didn’t say all at once, that’s what, 2 generations of Chinese people?

Were they even close to starting work on nukes? Because that's the only way they could have held on to their gains if they temporarily knocked the USA out.

Stay in China. Buy oil from USA. Win

Not even a little bit. There was some very rudimentary research being done by 44, and their scientists knew enough to understand what blew up Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but they were never going to be developing a bomb during the course of WWII.

Yeah because Japan could totally deliver nuke payload on the continental US in 1942 if only they had nukes.

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Not starting a war with the US in the first place.

Continuing to rape the fuck out of China until there was no way they could oppose me. Then capture neighboring countries to gookland and sneaky beaky into the Middle East and help the Germans.

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By not treating P.O.W luxuriously

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Maybe they could float the nukes on balloons over the Pacific like they tried with those firebombs.

>wind shifts
>nukes Chile instead

Yeah, but what’s 1942 Chile gonna do about it? Not like there’s a UN to complain to. The 40s were fucking awesome.

>How would you have improved the Imperial Japanese military so that it could have defeated the United States in the Pacific?
Anime

not siding with anyone and not blowing up americans

Mazinger Z.

Total fucking reform. Because the NAVY and the Army were busy fighting each other more than they fought Americans. It was total clusterfuck.

Even then, the resource and production disparity would’ve been too great to overcome.

This. If the Army and Navy was reined and be content with Manchukuo, the unwinnable war with the US could be avoided

Literally nothing of value is lost.

>That's the entire human race population
Yeah, that's a start.

Why would they need to pull Pearl Harbour to attack the UK?

Because, at least in the minds of the Japanese high command, the US would likely get involved as soon as they start attacking British territories, and America’s various bases around the Pacific would give them a very good position to attack Japan’s supply lines. The whole idea behind Pearl Harbor was to delay the supposedly inevitable American involvement until after the Japanese had taken the various territories they wanted and subsequently fortified them.

The US was just fine being isolated ferrying supplies to Britain. Why would this spark it off?

Positioning
All their supply lines from their soon to be aquired indonesian territories had to go past the Philippines, an american puppet
This meant that the US had a knife to Japan's throat 24/7, and could shut them down at a moments notice
Sure the US was neutral now, but those democracies can change on a dime

Well, in the eyes of Japan, America had already been escalating hostilities by embargoing various goods (especially oil) in response to their invasion of China. They were also aware that the US was intent on maintaining military dominance of the Pacific with their various territories in the region. This led the Japanese to believe that any further escalation would convince America to get involved in the war, and regardless of how likely it really was, the advantageous position of the US Navy in the Western Pacific meant that the risk of American involvement was too great to allow. In their eyes, if war were to happen, it was better if it happened on their terms.

Outreached on a gambit that poked the hornets nest. Not the smartest tactical move even without hindsight.

Sure, but it’s pretty likely the US would go to war at some point, and Pearl Harbor (along with the other December 7th attacks) at least did some work in delaying that entry and giving Japan control over a number of strategic territories, including the Philippines.

Or they could have used those planes at home to fortify and take over territory quicker. Giving the US a more nonchalant approach to intervention "hey stop that" forcing them into poking the hornets nest. After Pearl Harbor we went in loaded for bear. I doubt we would have gone in with the same ferocity had they not attacked us directly. Obviously we wouldn't send just one boat, but at the time we were still very happy being isolated.

Also there was no way the US would have elected a warhawk after Roosevelt(since he was one already)
I'm pretty sure if the Japs would not have committed any war crimes against whites in a war against the UK and the Dutch the US wouldn't have cared.

They more or less had to invade The Philippines to ensure the security of naval supply lines to their targeted territories in SEA. That would absolutely bring the US into the war, and Japan needed time to secure both the Philippines and other contested territories. Pearl Harbor was intended to buy them that time, which it did, just to a lesser extent than they’d hoped. Also, by 1941, the US population may have been happy with isolation, but the leadership had more or less decided that they’d be getting involved eventually. Had there been no Pearl Harbor, the US would’ve found another reason to get involved.

I figure they wouldn't have been able to sell the US territory in exchange for a non agression pact because of the distance

The japs were fucked no matter what they did

This

Mine coal with Chinese slave labor and make fuels from Fischer-Tropsch gas. The Germans did it and would be happy to teach you.

1. Instead of declaring war on the Chinese nationalists, offer them military support against Mao and other warlords in exchange for western style trade ports, increased resources, and the option to industrialize along the coast. Effectively make them an economic puppet, for a decade at least, maybe longer.

2. Launch a campaign against the Soviets in timing with the German invasion. Most of Siberia isn't worth conquering but Stalin would have either had to let it fall and leave his backyard open or, more likely, being the paranoid nut job that he was, expend insane amounts of resources to try and fight a two front war.

3. Rather than strike Dutch and British colonial holdings focus instead on French indochina. Offer a separate peace to the French and British once the area has been secured. While the proximity to the raj may have proven difficult militarily, negotiate with Burma to stay neutral and act as a buffer state.

4. Recognize the strategic importance of carriers in the Pacific and instead of focusing on knocking out a battleship force rapidly becoming obsolete make sure the first strike, when and if it became necessary, focused on eliminating the US carrier fleet.

Grossly oversimplifying here of course, along with the assumption that Chiang kai shek would even be willing to cooperate, but the Japanese government did do quite a bit to support the nationalist movement early on and by offering to help stamp out Mao they most likely would have had enough good will to make it happen.

What's your plan to deal with the army/navy bullshittery and the other cockgobling fuckwits in the japanese government

Depends on how far back we can go with this thought experiment. A lot the Army/Navy rivalry goes away if China is handled differently.

This. Japan’s mistake was partly in grossly underestimating American military capacity, but much more in grossly underestimating its industrial capacity. The US could absorb all the losses that the Japanese inflicted on them and then some; in the words of the great military strategist Jay Leno: “Crunch all you want - we’ll make more!” Even if the Kantai Kessen had happened and even if the Japanese had won it, it still wouldn’t have mattered - the US would have had the ships it lost replaced in a few months.

The Japanese learned all the wrong lessons from Tsushima. A victory against a creaky, overstretched agricultural empire that couldn’t replace its losses is totally different than a war against an industrial powerhouse that can crank out a new ship every couple days. They never had a chance.

The ultra nationalist factions would probably be the easiest to deal with by convincing them that siding with and influencing a shattered China and striking against the Soviets would secure Japanese prestige and influence over east Asia without drawing western powers in too deeply. Considering US embargoes were mostly in response to overall aggression towards the Chinese and the fear of communism in the west they would probably have not occurred until a strike on French holdings occurred in this scenario.

The intersevice rivalry would be tougher to deal with but getting the ultra nationalist factions in line with the plan might have helped apply political pressure to the worst generals and admirals.

I think that by giving the navy a shot at the prestige of wiping out the Soviet Pacific fleet and the army the prestige of crushing Mao it might have placated the factions until reforms could have been implemented to end the issue, and with unified forces a campaign against indochina would be much easier. Hopefully by that point dissenting commanders will have stepped in line or been shuffled into meaningless posts. That rivalry did more to help the allies in the early stages of the war than industrial capacity I feel, just like the great purge helped the germans in the early part of barbarossa as much as the surprise invasion and overall better quality of troops.

Unfortunately I'm not very knowledgeable about the interservice rivalry in detail so I can't really give you a good answer.

user while that is generally how the West portrays the inter-service rivalry the actual facts are much different. If you are interested in this The Rising Sun: The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire is worth a read. The first 20% of the book details the service rivalry.

Thank you very much, I have been looking for more information recently. I will definitely check that out.

Would the invasion of the Phillippines, limited to just there, necessarily have brought the US into the war, though? IIRC there was still massive controversy at the time over whether the US should even occupy what was basically a colony, and shedding a lot of American blood over Pee Noise Pride clay would've been a tougher sell than at Hawaii.

go north through russia.

>rich country equals strong army

>In a few months the yen soared from 245 to 200. This was the equivalent of Japan's loss of four aircraft carriers at Midway.... Washington's final objective is probably an exchange rate of 100 Japanese yen to $ 1. That represents Japan's total defeat and Gen. Douglas MacArthur's triumphant entry into Tokyo.... We must not lose the Pacific War twice.

only issue with that is that the Japanese DID NOT want to fight the soviets, the Japs were fucking terrified of them.

Yes, the Philippines were under american protection, to abandon them would ruin the US's reputation

>I doubt we would have gone in with the same ferocity had they not attacked us directly. Obviously we wouldn't send just one boat, but at the time we were still very happy being isolated.
You do realize the entire reason the PacFleet was at Pearl Harbor at all was because the US was being extremely aggressive and threatening war against Japan, right? Not to mention the US had started shipping B-17s to the Philippines whose only purpose could be to bomb Japanese bases in Taiwan.

>IIRC there was still massive controversy at the time over whether the US should even occupy what was basically a colony,
The Philippines was being massively reinforced at the time with aircraft, and the US had sent MacArthur for the express purpose of training the Flips to fight Japs. People need to realize that the isolationist US in the eve of 12/7 is one the most retarded and counterfactual myths in history. US was doing everything short of actual shooting to fight a war in the Pacific, and, in the Atlantic, was doing the actual shooting. US armed forces were undergoing a massive armaments and training program, which was several years in the making. US had secret deals with Euro countries to defend them against Japanese aggression, which was how the US forced the Dutch and the Brits to sanction Japan despite their weakened positions.

That would have helped, especially hitting the oil tanks and drydock facilities.

Also, either torpedoed the first set of locks of the Panama Canal, or loaded up an old cargo ship with mass quantities of explosives and detonated it mid-canal

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Zhukov pulled the Japs onto his cock so hard in Mongolia that they didn't want a second serving.

Yeah sending an old cargo ship from Japan to the Panama canal would definitely have worked. Who would suspect that anything was amiss after all? It's not like boats are inspected before they approach the canal and towed by tugboats. It's widely known that they just let any boat come and cross the canal without any security.

If Pearl hadn't been attacked you can bet a US warship near Japan would just somehow fucking explode with all hands gone sometime around June 1942. The war slogan would be 'remember the Arizona' or something.