There's a competetive bidding for the new german army rifle going on for a while now.
One of the main bidders, H&K, wrote a letter directly to the secretary of defence suggesting allowing for a 7.62mm rifle, as the required specifications wouldn't be archievable with a 5.56.
Your comments? Any chance for this to happen?
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5.56 weighs like half as much and has more controllable recoil in burst and full auto, so I'd be highly surprised to see a 7.62 rifle adopted.
Then again, Germany is a meme military that's only really good for developing new H&K rifles for COD kiddies to fap to, so anything is possible.
Why not the 6.Something meme cartridge the US is leaning towards?
>the US is leaning towards?
LMAO
babby's first weapons trial
HK are fucking retards and I feel bad for the German gov that always has to put up with that companies autistic tantrums.
>bad for the German gov
Maybe H&K is retarded but nothing top the incompetence of the german defense ministry aka this dumb bitch.
At least she'll be replaced soon right?
This, fucking bitch wants to kill HK
KEK, needs some time user and no good replacement here.
HK have hangars full of projects that the German taxpayer has funded entirely. These never go anywhere. Most will never see the light of day. Don't think they're exciting or innovative, either.
It's typical of German companies as a whole.
Theyre going to be using plastic melters as long as the standard rifl in africa is an AK variant
based
however, how do you expect the average fat edgy kraut that can't even do a full pull-up to hold a rifle like that ?
>Then again, Germany is a meme military that's only really good for developing new H&K rifles for COD kiddies to fap to, so anything is possible.
Fucking agreed
Yeah drop the tiny bullet meme and switch to 7.62x39
They should switch to 300 black out just like the police in that other place.
Makes sense for a company like HK. The rifle contender neither did specify the caliber nor the maximum weight of the ammunition loadout of an individual soldier. IT did however specify rather extreme accuracy for an assault rifle. The german army already uses several variants of the 416 (HK 416 A5, G38) and 417 (G27, G28). All of these are capable of being used as an DMR and are generally liked by the soldiers. The german special forces just recently adopted another iteration of the HK 416 as G95k. The French adopted the HK 416F as standard assault rifle, which the german government pledged to strongly consider as a standard in germany as well in an attempt to streamline NATO forces. So it all points towards these two rifles for HK. The HK 433, which is an overhauled and tricked out G36 in a nicer package, didnt make the final stage of the competition. Though it was light enough and sturdy enough and allegedly even cheap enough for the notoriously underfunded german military.
All other known participants (SIG Sauer, Rheinmetall), except maybe for Haenel, already left the rifle contender or where thrown out. The only two known remaining competitors are Haenel and HK, but we don´t know if a small company like Haenel could fulfill the requirement of a long term defense contract. Most importandly they never did anything as big as that. Those government contracts are very hard on a company from a compliance point of view. That can be a problem for smaller companies. Additionally Haenel is ultimately owned by a non european entity. This could also be a problem in the future.
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>tldr; not so stupid
It's the opposite really. H&K provided exactly what the Bundeswehr wanted, but then years later dear Ursula got mad because:
>They can't the use the G36, a rifle adopted and planned for use in a defensive role inside Germany/European environment, as a Light Support Machine Gun in Sandniggerland's extremely hot and punishing climate
>The MG5 (HK121), H&K's latest 7.62 GPMG, couldn't live up to the absolutely retarded criterias imposed by the German govt, like for example maintaining around 1 MOA accuracy after barrel change and extended periods of firing.
Why 7.62, why not go back to 8mm?
>1 MOA accuracy on an open-bolt MG
Source? I know German military procurement is borderline-retarded, but I refuse to believe anyone is that stupid.
That´s correct. That is also why HK won the court case against the german MoD.
Fun fact, the only rifle to beat the new endurance and accuracy test was a modified HK 416BW. A modified 416 with a heavier barrel similar to the M27 ITAR.
www.augengeradeaus.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/HK-G36-PM-Nr-6-21-04-2015.pdf
Which projects should that be? The infamous OICW or HK XM29 was funded by the Pentagon.
kek
Its more the entire gov and the political party, unless the gov changes nothing real will be change. They handle ministries like cheap whores, passed around and everybody get a bit even if he unfit for the job.
Those fuckers butcher the entire cold war germany army, now they have a pile of scrap.
They should build the FG-42 MKII
HK wants to sell service rifles and switching calibers increases the odds dramatically.
>Oberstabsgefreiter
should have learned something
came here to post this. Especially that H&K explicitly say restricting it to 5.56 ammo would result in a
>low performance rifle model due to ammunition
>pick the haenel
>let hk drown in its debts
>hk usa spun off and buy ip
>hk usa unleashes blitz of civilian funs we've previously only dreamed of
Why is the G36 so aesthetic?
Where can I get that top rail?
7.62 what?
35?
39?
51?
RFN
Melts in your hand, not in your mouth.
Only if they put the XM8 on the civilian market will I say this is a good idea.
>According to WamS, the company complained in its letter of 12 April that the weight requirements of weapon (3.6 kilograms) and empty magazine (160 grams) should be met only with the smaller caliber 5.56mm - but at the same time the requirements to the effectiveness and precision only with the larger caliber. That in turn is not possible with the expected weight, but would be easily realized even with some 100 grams more weapon weight . The Minister should therefore reconsider the requirements of the current call for tenders.
Are they asking for the gun to be in 7.62x35 (.300 BLK)?
Watch it actually be 7.62x40wt or some homegrown kraut variant instead
.300 blk or bust, Germany.
>The HK 433, which is an overhauled and tricked out G36 in a nicer package, didnt make the final stage of the competition. Though it was light enough and sturdy enough and allegedly even cheap enough for the notoriously underfunded german military.
The dream is over. Good night, sweet prince.
7.62x51 NATO
I really think they should have just stuck with stamped guns, and added an AK type bolt like the Swiss did. Gun design really isn't rocket science if you know what you're actually doing.
.308 G36 when?
Germany should have learned from the Cockroach instead. Even Cockroaches know how shitty 5.56mm is. TFW a shit Cockroach managed to invent, produce and fielding much better combat rifle than the Krauts, Frogs, Jews, Irish, Poo or even Slav.
7.62 has better armor penetration and there is going to be a lot more armor in the next war
>women defense ministers
HAHAHHAHA
5.56 is good enough against towelheads wrapped in bathrobes. If you're going to be fighting against other well equipped militaries you're going to need bigger bullets.
>Ive never used a G36 before
That sucks. It looked fucking awesome if nothing else. Really set the standard for what a modern assault rifle should look like.
>the weight requirements of weapon (3.6 kilograms) and empty magazine (160 grams)
>the requirements to the effectiveness and precision only with the larger caliber
Here's your new gun goy
OP meant 7.62x51 NATO
But I’d take a 7.62x39 over a .556 any day of the week.
Is 7.62 enough to kill a robot?
Best possible timeline.
We’re good until they become tank-sized/heavily armored, bc right now robots are mostly plastic and have more in common with a fine watch in terms of robustness, than say, well... a tank.
So maybe we worry when the robots can create a 100% automated supply chain.
>Germany adopting an IWI service rifle
I'd fucking laugh so hard.
The downside of being a company that consistently makes good quality guns that just work like HK is that your presiding government full of noguns is going to start asking you to make some magic happen. I don't envy the old-timer Kraut autists still in the company when they have to put up with that shit.
They used the Uzi for years, it was issued as the MP2. It predated the MP5 in German service.
Wouldn't it be more reasonable and cheaper to fix the existing rifles, rather than replace all of them after 24 years of service?
I doubt they will go with the 416/417 for the bog-standard infantry. The amount of those DMRs is laughable when compared to the rest. I bet they'll just fix up the 433 and make it work.
And if they all fail, we'll stick with the based G36.
theres nothing even wrong with them to begin with
There is no reason to fix anything, the G36 meets all demands and fails where every other rifle would fail.
German MoD is just retarded and thought they could save money on the MG36 and just use the cheaper G36 instead for the same role.
Hopefully it's not an ugly abomination like the SCAR.
I would have thought that the German gov would lean towards the HK416; as so if Germany and France adopts it, it could become the de facto primary rifle for an EU Army.
>where every other rifle would fail.
*where every other retarded pencil barrel rifle (that's also plastic) would fail
The M27 for example wouldn't, because its made like a proper assault raffle and not what the fudds think a "proper marksman" would use. The G36 could still use a little beefing up; its lightweight enough to begin with.
You never been inside my mouth before
HK G3 A6 here we go
>the G36 fails where every other rifle would fail.
The barrels don't melt out of other rifles after you shoot a couple mags, HK apologist.
No, the AR's gas tubes explode instead.
>The barrels don't melt out of other rifles after you shoot a couple mags
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Didn't Russia also recently decide to procure a sizable number of 7.62 AKs as well because 5.45 i weak?
Some rifles downright catch fire or become unoperable after 800-1000 shots full auto.
you look here:
thirty some mags is a bit more than a couple
I never knew brooms came in multiple calibers.
why is there pocket lint on the adjustment knob?
If they're so poor then why the fuck are they replacing a good rifle?
sorry youre poor
bring back the third reich wehrmacht
fpbp
Thanks for the info. You know your stuff.
>first they kill the ak12
>now this
Whaz is this shite
why would they need guns? who they going to fight?