Helicopters can mount anti-ship missiles now, apparently. What could possibly be achieved by this that can't be with existing capabilities?
What the fuck, Raytheon?
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Jack Gonzalez
You can now smoke armored somali niggers with $250,000 missiles and bot $1.4 million dollar missiles, its simple shekles and savings user.
Cameron Morgan
>Have helos patrol coast line with ASM
>Have helos offset from battle group so position isn't given away by launch
>Or just increase the range you can engage by flying a helo out 100km to shoot off a missle
Aiden Bailey
I mean, I'm assuming the main goal is to target enemy surface groups. Assuming it'd be operating from either a land base or a ship, why not just launch it from a VLS?
Elijah Walker
Are somali niggers putting Kalibr ballistic missiles on the every cayack in vicinity of NATO, my totally honest concerned friend? Because that's what NSM are tailored for.
Alexander Mitchell
>Are somali niggers putting Kalibr ballistic missiles on the every cayack in vicinity of NATO
According to General Van Riper, the Iranians are.
Mason Lewis
Sounds like the Japanese Self Defense Force would love these, since they have so many helicopter carriers.
Asher Green
This looks like a replacement for the old AGM-119, not sure why you're so worked up about it
Mason Perry
Huh, didn't realize that. To be fair, the NSM has a quite significantly longer range than the Penguin.
Robert Gray
>What could possibly be achieved by this that can't be with existing capabilities?
Helicopters allow a decent amount of flexibility on where they can fly from. Planes on the other hand need airports and a massive amount of planning, knowledge building, maintenance equipment and infrastructure to build up then man an airfield. Is the US going to buy this? Nope, But Canada, Norway, Sweden, Taiwan and other mh60 operators are going to love this to give them something to defend their coastlines when they airfields get shut down. On top of that this would allow some nice tactics to prevent putting aircraft and ships in unnecessary risk.
Daniel Walker
>yes goy, buy our new marginally advanced product and give your old outdated one to Israel!
Cameron Richardson
>autism speaks
Brandon Anderson
>defend their coastlines when they airfields get shut down
That's a good point. For a country like Taiwan, something like this is perfect.
Gavin Sanders
Old concept OP. Even the French or fucking Pakis already put Exocet anti-ship missiles on their Super Puma and Sea King since 1990s.
Landon Hall
Brazilian Super Puma with Exocet.
Connor Adams
>Helicopters can mount anti-ship missiles now, apparently
>Now
>apparently
Nigger wut? Spiny Dogfishes already carry anti ship missiles. As well as Helio Ka-27 and some other British shit.
Adam Williams
Even the British managed to kill an freaking Argentinian submarines by putting ATGM missile on tiny helicopter in 1982.
Jason Nelson
Parker Gray
Gavin Morales
It's actually about the same weight (800-900lbs) as Penguin. Same size warhead, too.
The improvements are in engine efficiency (turbojet replacing the solid rocket motor for increased range) and IR seeker (accuracy). Plus, NSM gets to use all the new GPS/INS toys Penguin never had.
It fills a valuable niche, because the US has nothing else between heavyweight ATGMs and full-size ASCMs (and I don't believe Harpoons have ever been integrated onto US helos).
Brody Russell
They could mount those since the 80s.
Nathan Moore
Yeah, I'm seeing that now. Honestly never knew that, but it makes sense.
Jordan Russell
Interesting little concept for me to ponder while falling asleep later.
Camden Collins
It's kinda ingenious. You know there's a naval attack coming, but don't want to risk the destruction of static or road-mobile AShMs. Instead, you send your helos to fly up and down the coast, hugging the terrain and hiding from enemy radar.
Eli Nelson
>Helicopters can mount anti-ship missiles now, apparently
>now
Tyler Butler
The Penguin Missile was fired off helicopters already. This just means a more modern missile. It allows for the helicopter to target things which would be over the horizon to the ship (although many helicopters have the ability to provide targeting information for the ship they're flying out of), as well as fly out and attack on its own, a decent distance from the ship. This is a good thing. It also lets helicopters fly out of FARPs. Think of a quick air assault on an island, with a FARP quickly established and then helicopters acting out of it. It allows for greater flexibility than necessitating a more involved runway.
Ryan Reyes
>carriers
No such thing gaijin move along, nothing to see here
Carson Miller
kek
Chase Jones
why not just put it on a plane
Anthony Thomas
helos can keep a lower profile than fighters and don't require a full blown carrier to move by sea vessel. fighters have greater range but there are only so many vessels capable of carrying fighters.
Jace Hernandez
Increases lethality of helicopter carriers/frigates/destroyers/corvettes. It's already a thing on other helicopters but if it's not specifically on a dedicated platform, it'll be a great asset since it means you can use them as ASW, AShW and general purpose all off a single platform. Plus an air launched missile > a VLS launched missile in range.
Jace Jenkins
These fucking meme helicopter names
>Wow user, New Zealand already uses anti ship missiles on their Chill Penguin.
Spark Mandrill.
Armored Armadillo.
Launch Octopus.
Boomer Kuwanger.
Sting Chameleon.
Storm Eagle.
And Flame Mammoth helicopters.
Charles Brown
>Armored Armadillo.
Repetitive repetition.
>The word armadillo means "little armoured one" in Spanish.
Ethan Moore
He has extra armor
Asher Hernandez
>Plus an air launched missile > a VLS launched missile in range.
While normally the case, it might actually not really be the case here. Most of the time, air launched range combines both natural height and speed to allow for significant range increases, however helicopters can't really provide large amounts of either. As such, if surface launched version has an additional booster (as they often do,) they'd probably be right about the same range.
Zachary Williams
Helicopter carriers user. Now the sissy flattops have more teeth!
Landon Bell
Increased range, unknown launcher and elements of surprise maybe?
Jaxon Scott
I tend to agree with your reasoning.
However, don't forget that on most ships (excluding Bruke, Tico and the like) the number of vls is very restricted, usually less than 50, 36 most of the time.
That said, being a military planner you would want your assets to be used by other means and other ways of delivery than a vls that already have to do the anti-balistic, anti-air, tomahawks and ASROC.
Thus, using other means to increase lethality is always preferred than putting more and more into those vls.
William Cooper
>not liking Spiny Dogfish
Benjamin Davis
Why not both?
Matthew Howard
Tucanos fitted with ASM would be popular coastal defense planes
Carter Reed
It sounds like something from a chinese restaurant menu some badly english speaking chinese had translated.
>One time Spiny Dogfish with Rice...
Benjamin Wilson
I'd slap SPEAR 3s or SDB-IIs on Tucanos, but not much more. Spammable munitions that might not sink in one hit, but will soak up AA.
Gavin Allen
Super Taco's don't have the range needed for maritime patrol.
Nathan White
Of course. I'm merely addressing the one point I quoted.
Christian Thompson
Your Seal-Team inserted by helicopter can now defend it'self against naval threats.
Angel Williams
>now
Buddy this is not a new idea
Angel Price
It's Ka-52K Katran. Katran just means Spiny Dogfish just as TOS-1 is called Pinocchio.
Chase Walker
Gabriel Baker
>What are "Clan names rejected for Battletech by FASA"?
Landon Bailey
Have a look at what L3 is doing
Lucas Jenkins
Nice