Pacific Forces Series Threads are designed to create a civil, mature dialogue about the diplomatic, economic, geopolitical, and military relations that exist between nations that are invested in the Indo-Pacific region. This Pacific Forces General will give a recap of what I think has been important news as to what has been happening in the Western Pacific. The general layout is posting a source, then briefly explain key points. I will not completely cover every part of the sources, due to how much time it takes to create these threads, and also to encourage people to fill in holes I intentionally leave open. Fully reading the source material is encouraged, but I understand that not everyone is as invested into the Indo-Pacific as I am, so at least think out your thoughts/comments before you post. This will be a bit more disorganized than original /PFG/s cause holy fuck these take a long time to research and crate, so apologize on my part for that. It’s also been a while since the last thread so there's a large volume of sources I need to cover, and I’m using almost exclusively USNI due to them covering Maritime events really well. I will post more sources as the thread goes on and the dialogue unfolds. Please ignore blatant shitposters, or attempts at derailing the thread. If a poster seems to be a troll, they probably are. Keep it clean.
Note: Please refrain from discussing Naval procurement and shipbuilding topics, I feel that those deserve their own threads to be properly discussed. This thread will revolve around naval operations, and newer/rising concepts.
>The notion of a Surface Development Squadron is not new. It has appeared in Navy budget requests over the past few years, since the Surface Warfare Development Group (SWDG) was stood down in 2012. In February 2018, Navy officials referred to the standup of an “experimental squadron” that would look at how to best use the Medium Displacement Unmanned Surface Vehicle (MDUSV), the Zumwalt-class destroyer (DDG-1000), Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) and Arleigh Burke-class destroyer (DDG-51) as a cohesive surface force. The officials last year cited a 2019 stand up.
Abe CSG did some cool exercises before deploying basically.
>news.usni.org/2019/02/01/cno-consistency-is-key-to-dealing-with-china >Given the frequent pace of U.S. Navy innocent passage and freedom of navigation operations in the South China Sea lately, Richardson said the best way to reduce the chance China’s leadership miscalculates when developing a response is to continue consistent operations in the region. Richardson used the word “consistent” more than a dozen times during his briefing.
>“General Li Zuocheng stressed that Taiwan issue is China’s internal affair, bears on China’s core interests and the national feelings of the Chinese people, and allows no external interference. If someone tries to split Taiwan from China, the Chinese military will do whatever it takes to safeguard national reunification, national sovereignty and territorial integrity,” stated the Ministry of National Defense official English-language translation meeting description. >During the Friday briefing, Richardson relayed what he told his Chinese counterparts, which was that the U.S. Navy’s official policy toward Taiwan remains unchanged. U.S. policy does not dispute China’s claim to Taiwan. However, in keeping with international maritime law but contrary to China’s stated policy, the U.S. Navy does not seek permission nor provide Beijing with advance notice of Taiwan Strait transits.
>news.usni.org/2019/02/06/cno-richardson-calls-tougher-actions-gray-zone-conflicts-russia-china > The chief of naval operations upped his rhetoric regarding Russian and Chinese “gray-zone” aggression, saying the Navy needed to put pressure on Russia instead of passively reacting to the European competitor and calling for more “muscular” enforcement of rules of the sea when it comes to China.
How do you guys think the US and its allies should be more assertive in response to Chinese gray area doctrine?
Japan’s first Amphibious Rapid Deployment Brigade operated within a US ARG, focusing on retaking islands that have been captured (by China). The fact that they did this with the USMC/USN is self explanatory.
>news.usni.org/2019/02/12/41070 Essentially the USN wants future FONOPs to be multinational, not just us. This would make sense since we’re due for a FONOP sometime this week and that FONOPs have been continuously escalating in forces used, and diversified in what type of forces are sent as well. A little more on this later.
>news.usni.org/2019/02/14/modly-navy-needs-radically-change-operates-new-era-great-power-competition >“We have to radically change how we think about and how we execute within the naval forces, how we train our people, what we expect from our people, what we expect from our manufacturing base, our acquisition processes,” Under Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly said at WEST 2019, co-hosted by the U.S. Naval Institute and the Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association.
What do you guys think? How would you guys like to see the USN fleets operate going into the future? Sorry for using older photos, haven't transferred my photos from phone to desktop.
>Zumwalts might actually act as the Sea Wolfs of the surface fleet That's good to hear, it'll be interesting to see what that will mean given the re-focusing on surface warfare that the USN seems to be undergoing at the moment.
Carter Green
>news.usni.org/2019/02/19/marines-want-field-long-range-anti-ship-missile-fast-possible >The Marine Corps has been refreshing its doctrine and concepts for naval warfare, and the Expeditionary Advance Base Operations (EABO) concept in particular is already informing wargames, exercises and acquisition. Fielding a long-range anti-ship missile is an important part of this concept, which calls for the Marines to spread out over islands or pockets of beaches and using that temporary base to secure air and sea space.
>news.usni.org/2019/02/20/naval-exercise-series-continues-push-find-solutions-modern-battlefield-problems Just for reading >news.usni.org/2019/02/20/panel-navy-advancing-tactics-adding-new-weapons-boost-combat-lethality >The submarine community is overhauling its training courses to focus on high-end combat, the aviation community is rewriting its tactics to bring together the fourth-generation Super Hornets and the fifth-generation Joint Strike Fighter, and the surface community is renewing its focus on offensive lethality at sea. >“We deliver about 10 to 12 submarines around the world, SSNs, 24/7/365. Five SSBNs on deterrent patrols 365. And it takes quite an infrastructure to pull that off. We have shifted a little bit the last couple years toward trying to strike the balance … between peacetime missions, which have traditionally been ISR (intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance) focused, toward combat readiness,” Rear Adm. Daryl Caudle, commander of U.S. Pacific Fleet’s Submarine Force, said during a panel presentation at the WEST 2019 conference cohosted by the U.S. Naval Institute and AFCEA.
>Caudle said changes were happening throughout the submarine community’s training process. On the Submarine Command Course, “we have shifted those underway periods to be high-end combat operations. Instead of doing a lot of peacetime, shallow water, high contact density kind of ISR stuff, it’s all about combat.” Prospective executive officers and commanding officers undergoing training are given more access to highly classified operational plans, so that a commander would better understand what a combat mission might look like and keep that in mind while training for the XO/CO job and while training his or her crew once assigned to a sub. It seems that the USN is starting to shy away from having their SSNs only operate solitarily. There have been multiple exercises since February where US SSNs operated with either multiple Australian SSKs or Japanese SSKs, some JMSDF-USN exercises were even solely SSN/SSK operations.
>To meet that challenge, he said he intends to place new emphasis on expeditionary logistics and expeditionary maintenance as being essential for the future success of the submarine force in the Pacific. That includes “effectively training our crews” in how to meet that need for expeditionary expertise and continuing to adapt to advances in technology. I wonder if this is implying that the USN is aiming for it’s SSN force to start screening logistic ships/auxiliary convoys, since the USN has become very concerned about being able to replace those losses specifically. Would make sense as to why SSNs might start practicing escorting Auxiliaries.
>How do you guys think the US and its allies should be more assertive in response to Chinese gray area doctrine? At some point, the US will need to stop pretending to play along with the Chinese view on Taiwan. Assuming the situation eventually escalates, Taiwan will inevitably look to America and her allies to draw a line in the sand and defend it. To ignore that call would call into question the will of the United States to defend its other allies around the world.
We are averaging a FONOP through the Taiwan Strait about once a month now, and it now seems like we are doing FONOPs through Chinese held islands in the SCS about once every three weeks at this point. Which is a huge increase in tempo compared to 2015 and before. Now what’s interesting about this is that the Chief of Naval Operations, John Richardson has just said at the Maritime Security Conference in Singapore that there has not been any spike in tempo or precense operations. I guess one can say that this is technically true, but only in the sense that the USN has been operating all around the WESTPAC for decades, but there is concrete evidence to show that, at least with FONOPs, the tempo of how frequently we conduct them has increased almost 300% compared to 2010-2015. I’d even wager that multilateral exercises in the SCS, are deepening in scope, and the amount of partners that are included in it. source >abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/admiral-us-stepped-sea-patrols-confront-china-63046558
>news.usni.org/2019/03/07/surface-and-mine-warfighting-development-center-further-solidifying-its-role-in-training-operations >SMWDC plans to host six SWATTs this year and seven in 2020, Barnes said, which will cover every single carrier strike group and amphibious ready group deploying. Other ships – those going on independent deployments or with a small surface action group, for example – will also be incorporated into an ARG or CSG SWATT, following an announcement from U.S. Fleet Forces Command and U.S. Pacific Fleet that every ship be get its full entitlement of basic, advanced and integrated training, regardless of whether it will deploy in a group or solo. >news.usni.org/2019/03/07/transcom-marad-want-speed-purchase-used-ships-reserve-fleet US Merchant Marine is so close to being rundown that they need to buy ships immediately so that they can start focusing on long term planning. USMM desperately needs to be discussed >news.usni.org/2019/03/12/fy-2020-budget-navy-cuts-ship-aircraft-procurement-vows-high-end-weapons-procurement Now that the USN is starting to get out of the readiness pit and lack of maintenance that has plagued them for the past 3 years or so, they’re starting to transition the defense budget from readiness and training to rapidly procuring high end weapon systems. More on ths later. Good read.
>At some point, the US will need to stop pretending to play along with the Chinese view on Taiwan. weve been doing that. taiwan expressed interest for new F-16s and the US happily obliged. while that might not be groundbreaking on its own, it opened up a massive gateway for support thats been coming in recently.
>news.usni.org/2019/03/19/marines-ch-53e-helos-seeing-sharp-uptick-readiness-amid-replacements-testing-delays Just some proof that the past 3 years of heavily funding in readiness has actually started to see some actual, concrete evidence of working. >A fleet of 142 CH-53Es is doing the same workload that a planned fleet of 200 CH-53Ks will do, and the squadrons have 12 aircraft apiece instead of the 16 they would normally have. But despite the pressure on the fleet, Hawkins said the reset process and a focus on fully resourcing depot maintenance availabilities “are returning aircraft back to the fleet, so in reality we have a much higher percentage of aircraft in the fleet squadrons that are flyers” instead of being in long-term down status.
>news.usni.org/2019/03/24/mef-boss-speed-decision-key-keep-marines-edge-near-peer-threats Incase you thought the US was still structuring it’s military to fight terrorists WE’RE NOT FOR THE MILLIONTH FUCKING TIME Jow Forums START TALKING ABOUT NEAR PEER CONFLICT IT’S WHAT WE’RE ACTIVELY TRAINING FOR NOW HOLY FUCK HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS? > The US is currently making allies question their reliability thanks to Trump, unfortunately. Mattis didn't quit cause he was tired. That being said Trump essentially let the Military off the very short leash that Obama kept them on, and are now going balls to the wall with preparing for a conflict with them. Taiwan plays a CENTRAL role in this strategy. That's all I'll say for now. > Essentially what's been said so far is that it will be a super Sea Wolf, 10,000+ tons and stuffed to the gills with torpedoes and AShMs.
Super strange how we can sell weapons to what China considers a state basically and no one bats an eye. How TF did we get away with this?
Carson Wood
>weve been doing that. taiwan expressed interest for new F-16s and the US happily obliged Yes. on top of the 148 we're already modernizing we are on the verge of another sale to sell them 72 F-16V Block 70s on top of the ones that we're refurbishing/modernizing. We're also for the first time bringing ROCAF F-16 pilots to Arizona and having them train in exercises with their USAF counterparts. You read that right. Taiwan fighter pilots are now officially training in the US with USAF pilots. Together.
Sebastian Baker
Seawolf 2.0 with 0 vls. Just 8 or 10 torpedo tubes.
Brandon Evans
The only country that has any interest in challenging such a deal would be China, and they simply lack the military capability to do anything about it without suffering unacceptably.
Nolan Butler
china may say that taiwan is theirs, but at this point it would be political suicide to try and stop this with any forceful actions.
Sebastian Sullivan
>news.usni.org/2019/03/25/42133 Incase you missed out we did another FONOP through the Taiwan Strait, not surprising, but the Coast Guard tagging implies quite a bit.
nigga i work for the company that finalized that sale.
Jose Kelly
>Taiwan fighter pilots are now officially training in the US with USAF pilots. Together. That's awesome to hear. If China-Taiwan relations begin to worsen in the coming decade, do you see a US base of some sort on Taiwanese soil becoming a possibility? Or would that simply be too much of a provocation for the Taiwanese and Americans to take such a risk?
Grayson Campbell
ITT: Retards feeding other retards shit on plates, and retards eat them up.
Alexander Martin
>news.usni.org/2019/04/11/f-35-software-upgrade-program-will-field-capabilities-sooner-but-delay-purchase-of-new-fighter Without trying to get too into procurement, as per the National Security Strategy, and the reasoning behind the FY2020 budget, we want to start taking hardware, software, and equipment that has been in R&D for the past few years/decades, that are finally becoming truly mature, and start rapidly fielding them, in this case accelerating the widespread implementation of Block 4F software to F-35s
>news.usni.org/2019/04/12/navy-marines-exercising-how-to-use-information-warfare-in-future-conflicts >Rapid advancements in technology outpace military acquisition or doctrinal development, so Navy and Marine Corps officials are using a series of advanced naval technology experimentation exercises to shorten that timeline gap and ensure operational forces in the high-tech battlespace are equipped for the high-end future conflicts. >The battlespace is changing rapidly, and “that change is accelerating, and so we have to accelerate in order to maintain our competitive advantage,” Rear Adm. Donald Gabrielson, commander of San Diego-based Carrier Strike Group 11, said Monday during a media roundtable for ANTX West 2019, which focused on 21st Century Combined Arms. The exercise focused on technologies to address operational challenges in integrating information warfare into the fight. These include communications, sensors, countermeasures, command-and-control, strikes, non-kinetic fires, counter-intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance and targeting systems. We want to start rapidly introduce new technologies, essentially
>and they simply lack the military capability to do anything about it without suffering unacceptably. you're a fucking moron. The reason why the US presence in Taiwan has been curtailed is because the balance of power in the Straits has now tilted tremendously in China's favor.
Evan Martin
>news.usni.org/2019/04/15/panel-unmanned-surface-vessels-will-be-significant-part-of-future-u-s-fleet Large Unnamed Surface Combatants are the new big thing that the Navy is really interested in procuring, for good reason. From the little that has been talked about, it seems that the Navy is planning on a 2,000 ton drone ship that will have one of two loadouts, one being a 32 cell VLS ship that will essentially be a floating weapons magazine for a task force to call upon, and the other to be equipped with nothing but sensors, which would act as really effective picket around a larger task force/CSG. This seems to be really similar to how Destroyers were envisioned to perform as apart of a large surface action fleet in the 30s. We live in interesting times.
>news.usni.org/2019/04/24/uss-america-will-allow-japan-based-marines-to-bring-more-mv-22-ospreys-to-sea The USS America will be replacing the USS Wasp as the forward deployed amphibious assault ship in Sasebo, Japan. What’s really big about this is where the Wasp isn LHD, the America is an LHA, as in it does not have a well deck and has increased stores and reworked flight deck for optimizing airborne oriented amphibious operations. It’s also been stated that the America is being stationed in 7th Fleet so that it start testing out the 20 F-35B 2 MH-60S loadout. This will, obviously, be an insane force multiplier for 7th Fleet since the US will essentially have one CSG with 4 4.5 Gen Strike Fighter Squadrons and then an ESG with a reinforced 5th Gen squadron, not including the Izumo/Kaga F-35 refit. >news.usni.org/2019/04/23/lockheed-martin-working-2-5b-in-hypersonic-weapon-contracts US companies are starting to throw serious money at Hypersonics, it’s been said that for the time being we are focusing on counter hypersonics before we start introducing offensive assets. > Got a throwaway email?
US Sealift capability is in dire, dire need of discussion and rational solutions. There's so much to talk about this topic alone that it probably needs it’s own thread.
>news.usni.org/2019/05/09/marad-u-s-must-address-military-sealift-vessel-and-crew-shortage Within one week the US sailed two ships through the Taiwan Strait while having a Burke sail in a multinational formation through the South China Sea, which was lead by the JS Izumo “Multipurpose Operations Destroyer”, showing that the US is permitting the JMSDF to play a larger role in the Pacific. Also to note that it seems like the Philippines is pretty okay with this increased role as well. Even though India deserves a lot of justified criticism, it should be noted that they are routinely capable of sustaining a destroyer/frigate in the SCS for extended periods of time, and these ships routinely do exercises with the USN/JMSDF. Can’t ignore that.
>This week, Raytheon was given a $47-million award to integrate the Naval Strike Missile into the U.S. Marine Corps’ “existing force structure,” according to an announcement from the company on the other transaction authority (OTA). “This fifth-generation missile adds another dimension for sea control operations and for protection from adversary warships,” Kim Ernzen, vice president of Raytheon Air Warfare Systems, said in a statement. The selection of the subsonic anti-ship missile by the Marine Corps follows the Navy, which plans to field the NSMs later this year on a deployment of Littoral Combat Ships to the Pacific. “The Marine Corps’ selection of the Navy’s anti-ship missile enhances joint interoperability and reduces costs and logistical burdens,” reads the Raytheon statement. While Randy Kempton, Raytheon’s NSM program director, would not specify what platforms the Marines would use to deploy the missile, NSM designer Kongsberg has been working with Lockheed Martin to field an air-launched version of the missile on Norwegian and Australian F-35 Lighting II Joint Strike Fighters.
oday: >news.usni.org/2019/05/14/theodore-roosevelt-strike-group-in-alaska-for-high-end-joint-exercise-northern-edge-2019 >Northern Edge 2019 is a high-end joint exercise hosted by U.S. Indo-Pacific Command and focused on air warfare that runs May 13 through 24. About 10,000 personnel are participating, about half of which come from the Theodore Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group currently operating in the Gulf of Alaska. Strike group assets include Carrier Strike Group 9 leadership, USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71), Carrier Air Wing 11, USS Russell (DDG-59), USS Kidd (DDG-100), USS John Finn (DDG-113) and USNS Henry J. Kaiser (T-AO-187). >Dwyer said his crew was excited to begin the joint event, which would pair the carrier air wing’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornets, EA-18G Growlers and E-2 Hawkeyes with ground-based Navy P-8A Poseidon maritime surveillance aircraft, Marine Corps F-35B Joint Strike Fighters and KC-130 cargo and refueling aircraft, and Air Force jets such as the F-22 and F-15. Any time that many types of aircraft come together to work in a range of mission areas “is incredibly valuable, especially as we talk about exercising at the highest potential of a joint force. So to come together with all those platforms will increase our readiness and our lethality across the board.”
>US presence in Taiwan has been curtailed How has it been curtailed? It seems as though the US is currently increasing its commitment to the region, coordinating more heavily with the Taiwanese than ever before.
Jack Evans
I would of liked to write more for this thread and describe the various exerises that the US has done throughout the Western Pacific since Febuary but since I feel like this is enough to read, and that these topics will naturally come up in conversation throughout the thread, I’ll leave it here. The last thing I would like to ask, is that if I decide to start doing these threads on a semi-frequent manner, what would you guys like me to cover? I’ll give some options for you guys to think about. (Can be other topics, but must be related to the Western Pacific in some way) >Thread on the US Merchant Marine and what the US should do in the long run to fix the state it’s in >In depth thread on how a Taiwan Invasion flashpoint would realistically play out in the mid-late 2020s >USN Shipbuilding general. Fleet composition, emerging technologies, shipyard revitalization, private yard role >PLAN trends through the 2020s, what do they seek to achieve? Why are they building their fleet in the way that they are? (I’m hesitant on this one, due to not knowing much about the PLAN)
Apologize for any grammar or spelling errors, I spent 4 hours on this, I’m not proof reading it a second time. Enjoy the thread everyone.
you're a fucking dumbass. See this >We're also for the first time bringing ROCAF F-16 pilots to Arizona and having them train in exercises with their USAF counterparts. >for the first time This is blatantly wrong. ROCAF Blk20 pilots were trained in the US. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Fighter_Squadron
Like I said before, retards feeding other retards shit. This is how you fucking morons on Jow Forums stay morons.
I love that sub so much. Regardless of what other personal issues I may be going through, it reminds me that my life will never be that pathetic.
Jace Ward
what are they gonna do, invade us?
Evan Richardson
>Essentially what's been said so far is that it will be a super Sea Wolf, 10,000+ tons and stuffed to the gills with torpedoes and AShMs. More like theories just thrown against the wall. Nobody knows what the SSN(X) is going to look like. Not even the USN.
Ayden Parker
I think I played RS2 with you a number of months ago. You seem like a cool guy.
Jacob Bailey
I find the (intentional) dissemination of false and misinformation to an audience that doesn't know better reprehensible. And I find highly opinionated but incorrigibly stupid "people" downright distasteful.
It's doubly bad here because you don't know who the fuck this fag is. You don't know his credentials, his experience, etc. For all you know, he's an ROTC retard at a shit school acting out delusions of grandeur.
Benjamin Martin
He's already posted daddy's guns in the Halle Berry thread, lmao
Julian Garcia
if you weren't such a dumbass passing false and misinformation off as facts, maybe I wouldn't tear you a new asshole every fucking time you open your mouth.
and which propagandas would that be? Or is your defintion of propaganda anything that doesn't align with your fantasy?
Jason Baker
I remember you, didn't your dad work for Nintendo?
Jose Taylor
The racial component always makes it entertaining. Especially since East Asians don't necessarily see each other as a unified race. There was a whole shitstorm going on the other week, because some homoerotic picture of "Chinese" bodybuilders turned out to be Korean. They hate each other just as much as they hate Europeans.
Adrian Gutierrez
More than anyone else here.
Bentley Long
>which propagandas We speak English on this board, Chang.
Angel Martinez
Pretty sure the language you're most fluent in is RETARD.
Mason Ramirez
back it up then.
Parker Brown
I did. I pointed out two facts that run counter to the claims posted here. Peruse my posts ITT on your own time.
Jace Cook
>the language you're most fluent in is RETARD Must be, as I can unfortunately understand you just fine.
Ryder Reed
I wasn't aware that we've trained them recently, I thought the last time we trained ROCAF pilots was when we gave them their F-16s in the late 80s, thought this was the first time in a while. Thanks for the correction. Yeah that was me, thanks. Haven't played RS2 in a while though It's not intentional and it's not disinformation, stop shitpositng. I readily admit that I'm an amateur in this, if you even read the original /PFG/s (that you obviously haven't read) I say that I solely make these threads since nu/k/ is so devoid of these threads that I've taken it upon myself to carry the torch. I'm an amatuer, as is most people here. I admit when I'm wrong. I'm not spreading false information. I usually post my sources to my claims, they come from think tanks and analytical organizations. Why do you refuse to admit this?
He's derailing the thread. Stop entertaining him. You're doing exactly what what he wants to achieve. Stop.
How could another countries that also don't have a particular "joy" for the CCP's actions could get closer to the United States? (in both militar and political )
Christopher Lopez
i'm referring to your so called academic credentials that are relevant to this thread, given that your criticism of /pfg/ guy is that he has none, its not unreasonable to ask to see yours.
Brody Perry
The excessive shitposting and thread derailment is why moderated defense subreddits tend to be better for actual discussion than Jow Forums. It's a shame, because I tend to find way more interesting sources posted here than on reddit.
Wyatt Wood
Fruit, how can you be so autistic that you actively watch Jow Forums every single day and shit up every good thread that comes around?
Like nigga damn, you got kicked out, deal with it and move on.
Buying US weapons, participating in American-led Pacific military exercises, and denouncing China's multitude of human rights violations would be a good start. Pretty much what a number of Western Pacific nations are already doing.
>I wasn't aware >I thought Yes, YOU, YOU, YOU. >It's not intentional and it's not disinformation, stop shitpositng. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. If your information isn't correct, what is it if not shitposts? > I've taken it upon myself to carry the torch. Oh you want to do that? You want to spread a bit of your smarts to the peasants here? I understand. The urge to SAVE morons from themselves is a strong one. But you better make damn sure you're not a fucking moron yourself.
The biggest problem I have with you is that you present your OPINIONS with SUCH CONFIDENCE. People are not going to read your sources. Let's be honest here, this place is full of poverty wage retards. You think they'll critically analyze your sources, read a couple years worth of fundamental materials, then come back and draw an informed conclusion?
I understand that retards are retards on their own volition, but you just make it so god damned easy.
Moral hazards, friend. Moral hazards.
Justin Allen
If you could clarify what countries you're referring to it'd make it a lot easier to answer, but from what I'v read and gathered, starting security dialogue is the best start, Singapore is a good example, they signed a Strategic Framework Agreement in 2005 and was then broadened in 2015 to start letting more intimate mil-mil engagements and deepened defense ties. Gotta start small. You don't become Japan or Philippine tier over night
Christ, man. His posts are higher quality than 99% of what this board has to offer. Don't be such a dick.
Daniel Gray
hello friend. you seem to be assblasted. Can i recommend some anal relief cream? It can help you cope with the pain of being wrong.
Robert Mitchell
>tfw woodrow wilson turned HCM into a gommie because he blueballed the gooks at the versailles peace conference fuck wilson and fuck the french
Camden Cooper
>claims to be able to disprove the "false claims" made by OP >writes a paragraph of regurgitated middle school insults instead lamo, i bet you were bullied in school.
Elijah Morris
>no step based
Tyler Bell
my criticism of the guy is that he's wrong in what he says. I brought up his lack of credentials because the anonymity of the poster makes it even more difficult to select worthwhile material to absorb.
Look, you wanna be a retard, go ahead. I've done my public service announcement for today.
I don't. Fortuitous timing, I suppose. My meeting ended early. My Chinese counterpart couldn't answer my questions.
Tyler Sullivan
user, your powerlevel is not only showing, its the biggest on Jow Forums atm
Logan Green
I can understand why you would like to see correct info put in. But I can taste the salt all the way up here in Canada and you just sound like you just want to be angry.
I'm referring mainly to Vietnam and Malaysia actions that do not particularly enjoy the CCP Existence
Nicholas Ramirez
as much as i would love to laugh at our friend chang here until the heat death of the universe, what is everyone's thoughts on some of the upcoming procurement projects that we're gonna start seeing in the 2020s?
Actually I was the bully. Not proud of my middle and high school days. Not gonna lie pham.
Nicholas Perez
I find it weird that there isn't much Chinese news in a Pacific thread. If it's about America doing shit against South American countries in the Pacific coast then it is understandable but most of what's posted is America doing shit in China's backyard. It's like a frail kid trying to bully someone and is waiting to get smacked down so he can cry home to his mommy.
>Actually I was the bully. sounds like you were pretty bad at it.
Daniel Reed
retarded analogy, stop posting.
Carter Green
>shitpost a man for bringing content >the reason you take offence is because, in your opinion, the audience is incapable of understanding it in a manner befitting it's contextual delivery. OBJECTION! If the audience is to dumb to understand then the content is irrelevant and thus the posting itself is. Thus you should have no objection to the posting itself.
Jose Sanders
The USAF's current research into plane-mounted lasers for self-defense seems pretty interesting. If they can really miniaturize power sources in the coming decades, I'm very curious to see what such a system will mean for air combat.
Samuel Ross
Well they're on our side now and are buying scan eagles to fill their ISR gap. And they were window shopping F-16s. It's only a matter of time for SEALs to be training VPN commandos
Justin Johnson
ITT we circlejerk about America here and make sure our echo chamber isn't questioned by those with different opinions. If someone questions the narrative, call them Armatard.
Isaac Barnes
>It's like a frail kid trying to bully someone and is waiting to get smacked down so he can cry home to his mommy. this is the most apt description. america is just flailing about with their rust buckets and when shit kicks off theyre gonna cry to NATO
Eli Walker
I feel like I’m the only one still hype about the LCS. Saw one pull through Annapolis a few months ago and damn they’re sexual.
